Mini #111: Sonic Heroes Mafia (The fighting's over...)

[sycko999]

Well nanook never said who was Rouge he just said someone is...mathcam is probally telling the truth but we should wait till night to see if nanook is telling the truth.

[NanookTheWolf]

Truthfully, I don't know why Mathcam came out so quickly like that, when only I was trying to gain information about the specific role in general. I never said that I wanted Rouge to come out, Mathcam took it upon himself in doing this. Why would a cop do that is beyond me, especially when there really wasn't any threat at the time that he indeed was scum, just slight suspicions of the role in general. I've thought about who I am going to vote, and I've decided to go after Mathcam, because of the coming out so quick as not to make us suspect him I suppose. I don't know what else there really is to go on truthfully, and if Mathcam really is a cop, then I am one foolish player, but I don't think that he is. When Norinel returns I will place my vote.

[mathcam]

The only reason I came out is because I saw online that Rouge was a suspicious character. I feared the day would go:

1) Town decided that Rouge is evil.
2) Town bullies Nanook in to revealing that I am Rouge.
3) Town lynches me because there's no way you're believing a cop claim after a scum-sounding-character has been revealed against his will.

I tried to do the thing that would get the most people to believe my claim.

and if Mathcam really is a cop, then I am one foolish player, but I don't think that he is.

I can't wait until this goes into my signature.

Cam

[Mojo]

I don't know if Mathcam is telling the truth or not but I know that lynching mlaker will be much more efficient, for 2 reasons:

1) After lynching mlaker we know what sanity Mathcam is.
2) We don't risk losing a cop and gaining the same information if lynching mlaker.

these 2 reasons are nothing if Mathcam is not the cop, but I choose to believe him

because

he came out early when there was no presure on him.

that's why I'm going to

unvote:NanookTheWolf, vote:mlaker

[Jolle]

I'll be leaving for a vacation tomorrow, not being able to post until july 25th. This means I have to be replaced in all of my games. I PM'ed the mod in every game I am in, and I hope Norinel is able to find a replacement for me.

[dragonmaster]

will be on vacation until the sixteenth

[Norinel]

dragonmaster probably doesn't need replacement, but I'll solicit one for Jolle.

Vote Count:

mathcam- 4 (Jolle, Fletcher, NanookTheWolf, mlaker)
mlaker- 3 (mathcam, sycko999, Mojo)
NanookTheWolf- 1 (dragonmaster)

Not voting (2): araltaln, Maverick, Prince Kael

6 to lynch.

[Norinel]

Prodding Maverick and Prince Kael.

[mathcam]

Well, I feel like there's nothing I can do to convince Fletcher or Nanook, mlaker's certainly not going to vote for himself, and Jolle's now away. What can I say to convince the other three of you? The only way it's the best play to lynch is me is if you're 100% absolutely positive I'm lying. Otherwise, you're just choosing between three people equally likely to be scum, one of which has made a cop claim. It's clearly the worst choice to pick the one who's claimed cop, because if he's

not

lying, then you've just lost a cop. On top of this, I suspect that I'm an insane cop, so the game was probably balanced with this thought in mind. If we can determine my sanity, this is an extra boon to the town that was not accounted for in the balancing.

Cam

[mathcam]

A whole Monday without posting? I'm glad we're all so interested in ferreting out scum that we don't even bother to post.

Cam

[Norinel]

Prodding araltaln, Fletcher, Nanook, sycko, and mlaker.

Maverick has read his prod but hasn't replied.

[araltaln]

It is very tempting to take the time to find an Appropriate way to respond to that prod, but I suspect it'd take me more than 48 hours to come up with the right thing.

Anyway, I'm having a really hard time figuring out what I want to say, and, specifically, who I think we should lynch today and why. Currently, I'm leaning towards mlaker simply because I have this thing against lynching cops the day they claim, but lynching mathcam would give us quite a lot more information.

[sycko999]

If Mathcam is a cop we woudn't risk losing a cop. Mlaker hasn't defended himself, he only voted Mathcam. Nanook also looks suspicious but he might be telling the truth and he needs the night to prove his powers.

[Fletcher]

What am I supposed to say? I've told who I think is scum and why, I've voted for them and I don't see much reason for me to change my vote unless someone confesses.

[mlaker]

Ditto Fletcher. I've just been taking all this in I think matham is lying and I've voted him.

[mathcam]

Let's break this down: There are 6 scenarios right now.

1) Lynch me and I'm a cop:
- Tomorrow someone other than Nanook or mlaker dies, and you have the hard decision of deciding which of Nanook or mlaker is scum,

and

you've wasted a day killing one of your own cops.
2) Lynch me and I'm scum:
- Woo! Congrats town!
3) Lynch mlaker and he's innocent:
- Tomorrow you have the admittedly hard decision of trying to decide which of Nanook or I is scum,

and

you've wasted a day killing a pro-town non-cop.
4) Lynch mlaker and he's scum:
- Woo! Congrats town!
5) Lynch Nanook and he's innocent:
- Tomorrow you have the admittedly hard decision of trying to decide which of Nanook or I is scum,

and

you've wasted a day killing a whatever-Nanook-is.
6) Lynch Nanook and he's scum:
- Woo! Congrats town!

Note that a right lynch (Options 2, 4, and 6) are all equally good. On the other hand, a wrong lynch (1, 3, and 5) are NOT equally bad. Lynching a cop is worse than lynching a "whatever-Nanook-is" or probably whatever mlaker is (Does anyone else find it suspicious that he hasn't claimed yet?)

Cam

[sycko999]

Mlaker hasn't even tried to claim, at least nanook came up with somthing even if it is a lie. The only way I'm going to unvote mlakeris if he gives a reasonable claim, but I doubt he will. He seems to be avoiding...is he not?

[mathcam]

It sure seems like it. Fletcher, how can you possibly have decided already when mlaker hasn't even made a claim? My claim of cop is sooo clearly false that no matter whatever mlaker claims, you'd believe him over me?

Cam

[mlaker]

I was not claiming because I did not have the standard # of votes. But now I know you want me to claim so I'll save you the trouble of voting me again. I am Sonic, I am a type of FBI Agent(see roles page) I look each night to find Metal Sonic who I take is an SK maybe. This is why I was skeptical of mathcam's role especially since he claimed an evil role in past games and a member of Team Dark.

[Norinel]

jadesmar replaces Prince Kael. Once I've worked out whether or not Nanook and Maverick need replacing, a deadline will probably be forthcoming.

[jadesmar]

Can we get a vote count for the new guy?

Or at least confirmation that this is the correct count.

mathcam- 4 (Jolle, Fletcher, NanookTheWolf, mlaker)
mlaker- 3 (mathcam, sycko999, Mojo)
NanookTheWolf- 1 (dragonmaster)

While I peruse the thread perhaps

sycko999

and

Fletcher

could explain the reasoning for their own respective bandwagon votes.

[NanookTheWolf]

Sorry everyone, I had some family business to attend to. Please don't replace me. Now that Mlaker has finally claimed, I just have a question for him. Mlaker: After finding Metal Sonic, do you have any sort of ability afterwards. I mean like do you kill him when you find him, cure him by turning him into a townie, or basically just find out who is the sk? Also, If you don't mind, could you tell us who isn't the sk, just in case you are lynched today or even possibly killed tonight.

[mathcam]

Wow, that seems like a pretty tight claim. I wasn't expecting that.

Unvote: mlaker

for now.

Nanook, perhaps it's time you claimed fully?

Cam

[Mojo]

If Metal Sonic is a sk, it means that we have 2 killing groups.
It also means that we have at least 2 roleblockers/doctors because there was no kill on night 2, and I know I didn't use my ability and so does Prince Kael.
and if we summerize the claims we have so far:

Mathcam - Rouge (cop)
Mojo - tails (one time doctor)
Jadesmar (Prince Kael) - Espio (self-protector, can use his ability twice)
DragonMaster - creamy (roleblocker)
mlaker - sonic (Kind of FBI investigator)
NanookTheWolf - Vector (can get a rolename and description)

and If I believe to all of these claims, so out of the 5 left who hasn't claimed yet there is a metal sonic, a doctor/roleblocker, and 2/3 mafia (and in the case of 2, another pro-town role).

DragonMaster, who did you block last night, maybe it'll give us some usefull information.
And I'm going to

unvote:mlaker

untill dragonmaster says who he blocked last night.

[sycko999]

If there is a Metal Sonic then what character was removed? There are 12 people in Sonic Heros and this is a 12 person game...am I right?