Open 59 - Daytalk 12! (Game Over) before 545

[Adel]

post.

[Adel]

props to oman for stepping up as a mod and doing what had to be done.

refusing to read role pm's is bullshit, it is isn't necessarily anti-town -- just anti-fun.

[Adel]

also, I communicate exclusively by PM. I don't IM.

[Adel]

also, I communicate exclusively by PM. I don't IM.

Why'd you sign up to this game then?

I dunno, it just seems pointless unless you just wanted to play a vanilla nightless game.

I like the Daytalk mechanic, with PM's

[Adel]

nieroe@gmail.com is an email account I'll check for this game.

In the open setup thread where I'm active and this mechanic was discussed, IM was not presented as a critical element. I don't IM -- it is a form of communication I've always been really frustrated with.

Also, I recruited a couple of good, intelligent, active players, including NabNab whom I'm something like 0-5 against in games where we have different win conditions. I'm into this game, and its players, and I don't see why IM is so important to xyzzy.

[Adel]

has anyone here ever used IM to communicate with me before? Sir Tornado was scum with me in a game, did we use IM to communicate?

[Adel]

vote: kabenon007

[Adel]

this setup would be much more interesting if there were townie powerroles.

vote: Mod randomly makes one townie a Cop and one scum a Godfather

I don't think it would shift the balance too much, and it would make the game far more interesting.

this is

our

game, and we should be able to do what we want to with it, even change the setup, especially if we can get 100% of the players to go along with it.

Agreed?

[Adel]

that is a bunch of crap.

unvote, vote:Thesp

and

FoS: Oman

for going along with it.

I understand your position, please understand mine, and also Thesp's - Mod

[Adel]

fair? I'm more worried about []interesting[/i], and playing in a game that isn't

stalled

.

Cicero was the only player I'd exchanged private communication with so far in this game, so not very much seems to be happening from what I can tell.



Having a player who is a cop would make he setup far more dnamic and interesting, and I assumed the scum players would go along with it for that reason-- it wouldn't shift the balance too much anyhow.

Were you the one that cried to Thesp?

[Adel]

Is there a significant amount of communication occurring privately? Who is talking to whom? Any leads yet?

[Adel]

vote: xyzzy

[Adel]

sounds to me like our random wagon has a scumbuddy trying to get an alternative wagon going.

[Adel]

shoo, I forgot NabNab was even in this game. I figured that a meritorious wagon was too much to hope for at this point, so I went with what we had thinking that at least a hammer or the aftermath tomorrow would be illustrative.

[Adel]

regarding random wagons: why not carry an early one to lynch? what could be the harm in that? come one, come all, xyzzy is up on the block and ready to take a fall!

[Adel]

or we could just lynch xyzzy and call it a day...

[Adel]

@Adel: Just out of curiousity, do you think Xyzzy is scum?

*Bonus* Why or why not?

Yes, sorta, maybe. Hopefully. He did cast a OMGUS vote on me. Besides a little bird told me that he was scum, and that little bird was correct 12.34 times out of the last 14. That is pretty good.

[Adel]

vote Jdodge

it is his fault we lynched xyzzy, so he must be scum!

[Adel]

Could you explain who or what this little birdy was that told you that xyzzy was scum as you mentioned previously?

either ralph or justin, I can't remember which.

[Adel]

they're birds not players! stooopid.

[Adel]

stoooooooooopider

proves the point rather well.

[Adel]

unvote, vote:Incognito

Does anyone want to help me bus my scumpartner Incognito? I want to see him hang today.

[Adel]

I never admitted that Vollkan is my scumbuddy!

[Adel]

oops.

[Adel]

I guess I'll put on my

"serious face"

and be real about

unvote, vote: vollkan

being the word, the way, and the truth!

[Adel]

How should a townie react on seeing someone claim scum?

lynch 'em and throw salt on their grave.

[Adel]

vollkan is just pissed that he got outed so easily.

[Adel]

A note to other players: vollkan is very good at appearing protown. So, how do you trap a scum-vollkan? You give him obviously scummy evidence to analyze and expound upon, dazzeling the uninvolved townies with the depth and accuracy of his thoughts.

How many times has a scum player claimed scum in a mafia game? How often has a town player claimed scum in a mafia game? Does a scum claim have any bearing on a player's real alignment? How throughly did vollkan dazzle you?

[Adel]

why don't we just lynch vollkan can call it a day?

[Adel]

just looking for three more to lynch this guy...

also, i wish I had two votes like Phate does.

[Adel]

unvote, vote:kabenon007

[Adel]

At this point can anyone see Mat_S being scum independant of opie?

[Adel]

I totally adore NabNab.

[Adel]

unvote

in expectation of fallout from NabNab.

[Adel]

unvote

in expectation of fallout from NabNab.

Adel, what do you mean by this?

NabNab is about to fuck things up. Everything will be different.

[Adel]

Adel, sup with NabNab?

Every read about Game theory?

I choose one player at the beginning of the game to believe is pro town (3/4 chance of being right) and he is the player I picked.

The way I see it, the tactic to maximize the town's chances of success is for every player to preted they are confirmed masons with one other player. One quarter will be making a horrible decision, but that will be more than balanced out by the other three quarters who get to have a very benifical relationship.

[Adel]

doesn't seem like a great deal at all, to me. it does to you?

you illustrated the worse case scenario, with each player pairing up.
I trust Nab-Nab because I like the 8/11 odds of him being pro-town. If each player makes a similar one-way choice (random would be great) then on average it works out much better.

[Adel]

vote: vollkan

because that is who I think Nab Nab doubts the most.

[Adel]

I want to hear jdodge's above question answered.

also

do you still find kab suspicious? What are we waiting for from nab nab?

As for the mason thing -- so you propose we all choose one way mason-ness? That makes a bit more sense maths wise, but then why would our chose mason communicate with us, if he didn't think we were town?

Can you speak to why you think that is better than selecting pro-town appearing players?

Aren't the chances using random now only 5/8 that we get good buddies? Aren't the odds only 5/8 that Nab is town?

1. I picked nabnab on day 1. You asked me what was up with him.
2. I never really found kab all that suspicious.. (feel free to quote the posts where I sound sincere.
3. I am pretty convinced by NN's case, I guess I just wanted my vote to sound just a little extra scummy.

[Adel]

do you still find kab suspicious?

Yes, partially because I find Phate to be pretty convincing.

What are we waiting for from nab nab?

I'm not sure. I do know that I'm something like 0-4 against him in games where we have separate alignments, so I have a pretty high regard for his ability.

As for the mason thing -- so you propose we all choose one way mason-ness?

As things currently stand the mafia benifit quite a bit more from the daytime communication that we do, so I've spent some time trying to figure out how to balance things out. Apparently there was very little communication between players day 1. More communication is needed. As you pointed out the ratio's are a little off now from yesterday, so maybe it would be best to just pick the player you think is the most townie. I wish this game had a powerrole or two.

That makes a bit more sense maths wise, but then why would our chose mason communicate with us, if he didn't think we were town?

That is the roadblock I hit. Nab-Nab's responces to me so far basically consist of the word "no."

Can you speak to why you think that is better than selecting pro-town appearing players?

I thought about it, and I think random choices are not as good as each player choosing to talk to the one person they think is the most townie, and spilling thier guts. Lay it all out via PM, and give that player as much information as you possibly can that could possibly effect the game.

Aren't the chances using random now only 5/8 that we get good buddies? Aren't the odds only 5/8 that Nab is town?

I picked him day 1. see my above post.

[Adel]

I'm thinking kabenon is sounding pretty sincere.

Not liking volkan so much, not sure what to make of Adel's "random day 1 choosing" could be a scum tagging on to a townie.

that is very true.. on the pther hand either Nab-Nab is scared of my scum hunting abilities despite having played in several games with me where I failed as a scum-hunting townie, or he thinks there is a very real chance that I am scum trying to buddy up to him... which makes him pretty much confirmed to me, and a great nk target, so we should get all of the analysis out of him that we can today.

[Adel]

read this newbie game if you want to see Mizzy play as town

unvote, vote Mizzy

with me if you want to lynch her as scum.

[Adel]

read this newbie game if you want to see Mizzy play as town

unvote, vote Mizzy

with me if you want to lynch her as scum.

I've seen Mizzy play

like this

as town before (can't reference, ongoing).

how would you characterize her play?

[Adel]

i can't really give an exact wording to it lest i reveal info

sorry, I meant in this game.

[Adel]

That is the Mizzy play I would expect to see with a pro-town alignment.

unvote

[Adel]

Mizzy once again attacks my posts, reducing the so called fluff. Most of said fluff that she crossed out is directed at her and so she declares it to be fluff. Awesome.

unvote, vote: Mizzy.

dude you are killing your own damn self. You couldn't be more suicidal if you had a handgun in your mouth, a recently emptied bottle of Southern Comport in your lap, and The Cure playing in the background.

vote: kabenon007

[Adel]

vote: nolynch

[Adel]

Guardian
Xtomx
JDodge
Mizzy
Incognito
Adel
Phate

who is it¿

[Adel]

vote: Phate

do it.

[Adel]

mmm....

[Adel]

if Phate wasn't scum the scum would've hammered by now. If was scum I expect that my buddies would've been on-board the wagon allready, laying out a watertight case against Phate.

[Adel]

Phate, Adel: Votes off.

I don't really think that either of you are scum. I think Adel's logic (assuming I'm guessing what it is properly) is flawed and that Phate is not smart enough to do something simple like read the fucking rules.

Phate is smart enough, and he made a huge slip, and I'm not about to let him off of the hook.

Who did he exchange pm's with during the night again?

[Adel]

I guess neither Pate nor I were scum. darn. Sorry Phate, I think the is the second time I've been totally wrong about you.

[Adel]

I would have... I was watching for a quick wagon to develop.

[Adel]

I would have... I was watching for a quick wagon to develop.

LOL, I called that to Incognito over IM. You're tricky Adel. Very tricky.

obviously not. I was hoping to catch scum, not get lynched and lose the game.

[Adel]

I'm really surprised you decided to vote so quick Adel. What was your logic?

we were hosed, so identifying scum trying to join a wagon for a quick lynch would be our best chance. When nobody joined me on the Phate wagon I figured that he must be scum.

[Adel]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... start=1900 is where some of us are talking about how to revise this setup for another, more balanced, run.