Mini 546: House Mafia - Game Over

[Claus]

New Page, New Votecount!

(ABR won't be around for a week, I'm your co-mod)

Pooky - Shafted, Karma
Armlx - Erg0, Jive
TrustGossip - Dean, Volkan
Adel - Pooky, CuriousKarmaDog
CuriousKarmaDog - Armix, Adel

With 10 doctors active, its 6 to trick one into losing his position.

[Dean Harper]

well, i really have no other place to put my vote at the moment, so ill

unvote

. My whole reason for voting was to get him to post his thoughts more often.

[armlx]

Those percents were how sure I was they were scum. A lot of it was just instinct, with some logic.

ergo has been all for advancing discussion, which is very pro-town.

TG being clear to me falls more under the instinct side based on his posts.

Pooky is being semi-disruptive and snipy, though that's just who he is if I remember. Still suspicious as it seems a little different from exactly how I remember, hence the 60%.

Others later.

[vollkan]

I like how Volkan is focussing suspicion on members of the other team.

It's pretty pro.

Pardon?

The only player on LU I have expressed any suspicion of was Dean - a far cry from "focussing suspicion on member

s

of the other team".

I'm about 80% sure on Adel & Shaft. 20% on Volkan. 60% Pooky. 40% Karmadog.

Could you explain what you mean here? I gather it is your certainty that players are town or scum...but I don't know which.

Could you please respond to this Dean?

[Adel]

ckd -- don't fret, it is all just part of my new "random bandwagon" stage.

[shaft.ed]

ckd -- don't fret, it is all just part of my new "random bandwagon" stage.

OK I'd like to aim the bandwagon at you since I'm not liking some of your choices and reasoning thus far.

unvote vote: Adel

armlx I'd really like to hear where you got 80% scum read on me, and 20% on vollkan so early in this game.

I really don't like comments like this

i really have no other place to put my vote at the moment

Most times I've seen this play it's scum trying to look active but not wanting to take a chance with their vote.

[Adel]

unvote vote: Adel

armlx I'd really like to hear where you got 80% scum read on me, and 20% on vollkan so early in this game.

So you would rather see some bullshit statistics? I'm moving around & stirring the pot.

Do I look like an easy target to you?

[armlx]

Shaft: Your posts have enough to them to look significant but have no relevant infi really. Very Scummy. Also a lot just instinct here

Adel's "logic" causing all the confusion is where I get that 80% scummy from, though 80% is prolly a bit high for what I actually mean. Still, I'll give that one a bit more time before I drop the axe.

Volkan is all instinct and a teeny bit the fact he diverged first form the Pooky group. But not much.

Dean needs to post more for me to get a full read, but I'm leaning pro-town here. For similar reasons to TG, which is more or less just a general vibe of them working off minimal information aka townie.

[Erg0]

Unvote, Vote: Dean Harper

Has failed to adequately address the reason for his "pressure" vote on TG.

[curiouskarmadog]

armix, your thoughts on Adel's vote and admitted BW?

[armlx]

Yeah, the latching onto my reasoning and bandwagonning is also more stuff that leads to the 80% number I gave for scuminess.

[shaft.ed]

unvote vote: Adel

armlx I'd really like to hear where you got 80% scum read on me, and 20% on vollkan so early in this game.

So you would rather see some bullshit statistics? I'm moving around & stirring the pot.

Do I look like an easy target to you?

So you're going for the "I'm going to play scummy and then call people scummy for voting for me" tactic?

[shaft.ed]

Shaft: Your posts have enough to them to look significant but have no relevant infi really. Very Scummy. Also a lot just instinct here

If that's your feeling about my posts fine. But I would argue there are other people in this game posting more words and of less import than myself. I haven't really had that many lengthy posts thus far.

[Dean Harper]

I told you my vote on Trust was to apply pressure on him. I dont see any other explanation than that that i can give you...

[Dean Harper]

also, if you didnt notice the hint of sarcasm i was trying to attain, im sorry. See post 49 for reference.

[armlx]

Shaft: Your posts have enough to them to look significant but have no relevant infi really. Very Scummy. Also a lot just instinct here

If that's your feeling about my posts fine. But I would argue there are other people in this game posting more words and of less import than myself. I haven't really had that many lengthy posts thus far.

Yes, but yours try to appear relevant. that would be the distinction.

Jive Machine needs to post more. I forgot he existed.

[Erg0]

You still didn't actually answer my question, though: why did you feel like TG needed pressure to get him talking when he'd just made a large post above yours?

"I was joking" is

not

a defence at this stage of the game, and looks like an attempt to backpedal now that you've realised you have no logic to back up your action.

[Adel]

Erg0 is trying too hard.. like those rough moments before the coffee is brewed, it is still a little early for logic.

[Erg0]

It's never too early for logic.

Besides, it's more than a lack of logic; it's blatant opportunism with a poorly constructed facade of good intentions.

[Adel]

unvote, vote:Erg0

in a blatantly opportunistic attempt to rid this game of a big 'ole

GRUMP!

[TheJiveMachine]

Erg0 is trying too hard.. like those rough moments before the coffee is brewed, it is still a little early for logic.

So what are people supposed to base their votes and discussion on? Whimsy? Bandwagoning? Cause you seem to have done a notable amount of both, and it seems a bit to far into the day for you to be saying we shouldn't try to actually reason out the best target to vote for.

[Adel]

those sound like good and logical reasons to vote for me. Why are you hesitating? Would you rather that someone else places a vote on my wagon while you sit back and return to lurking?

[Erg0]

unvote, vote:Erg0

in a blatantly opportunistic attempt to rid this game of a big 'ole

GRUMP!

I suggest an adjustment of your expectations.

[Adel]

my only expectation is that our mod will throw in the twist once we hit a predetermined number of posts.

[vollkan]

Volkan is all instinct and a teeny bit the fact he diverged first form the Pooky group. But not much.

How do you figure I am "all instinct"? What does that even mean?

Moreover, why is my refusal to join LU a scumtell?

I know you only gave me 20%, but I can't see how the "all instinct" remark applies to me, or why not joining LU is a scumtell at all.

Oh, and if it wasn't noticed, my previous post was totally messed up, in that I quoted the wrong post by myself for Dean to respond to.

Dean, please respond to this:

Time for some argument methinks:

Dean votes TG for lurking, despite not having actually made any meaningful contribution of his own. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and peg this as a random vote...albeit for a dubious reason.

After a few noise posts, Dean states that the bandwagon on TG (3/6: Dean, voll, Adel) is a suitable size to get TG "talking". Now we have what was a random wagon being called a pressure wagon by Dean - the same Dean whose contribution to that point was basically just a string of noise.

Then, to top it off, Dean says:

my vote was to help apply pressure, the not posting for half of the thread thing was just a bit of sarcasm.

Obviously beg the question "Apply pressure over what?!". Moreover, however, Dean's vote did not "help apply pressure" - since he was the first to join the wagon and a single vote is not pressure and definitely does not "help apply pressure" (which implies that he is aiding other people, which he wasn't because he was the first).

OK I'd like to aim the bandwagon at you since I'm not liking some of your choices and reasoning thus far.

unvote vote: Adel

Could you elaborate a bit on this, shaft.ed?

My read of Adel is classic random wagoning. As she said, "stirring the pot". I want to know why you seem (from this post) to have actual issues with her wagoning behaviour.