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Post Post #225 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:52 pm

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PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:J.Machine, what is a higher priority for you, catching scum or staying alive?
catching scum, obviously.

But if you're too busy killing me, that's a wasted lynch. Since it's in the best interests of the town for the townies to be alive, self preservation/damage control has to be somewhere on my priority list, right?
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Post Post #226 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:23 pm

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Jive wrote: catching scum, obviously.

But if you're too busy killing me, that's a wasted lynch. Since it's in the best interests of the town for the townies to be alive, self preservation/damage control has to be somewhere on my priority list, right?
Oh, really?
Jive wrote: Anyways, I didn't initially vote for pooky because it would look like votehopping, which it basically was.
Now, if
catching scum
is "obviously" a higher priority, as you have just declared it to be, it really begs the question as to why you didn't vote Pooky initially.

If you genuinely believed Pooky to be scum, then (by your own admission) you should have voted Pooky rather than worrying about your own welfare. In reality, you only voted Pooky
after
some pressure was brought to bear on you for not voting, proving that your main concern was actually your own survival.

In other words,
Unvote (if I am...), Vote: TheJiveMachine
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Post Post #227 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:26 pm

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I'm sorry, I didn't know I wasn't allowed to think more than one person was possible scum.
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Post Post #228 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:31 pm

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I fail to see how that is relevant.

If you suspect someone, you vote/FoS them if the suspicion is strong enough. Fairly banal, really. (Obviously, LYLO with a risk of quick-hammer is one situation where you don't do this - but this is D1 and Pooky had no votes on him).
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Post Post #229 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:33 pm

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I did FoS him...?
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Post Post #230 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:48 pm

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What's your point? If the suspicion merits a vote, you vote.
FoSing rather than voting
for fear of consequences to self is no different to simply
declaring suspicion rather than voting
for fear of consequences.

I think you are trying to play word-games with this:
vollkan wrote: If you suspect someone, you vote/FoS them if the suspicion is strong enough. Fairly banal, really. (Obviously, LYLO with a risk of quick-hammer is one situation where you don't do this - but this is D1 and Pooky had no votes on him).
It should be plain enough that votes and FoSes are not equivalent. What I mean is that if you suspect someone, you vote or FoS depending on what is appropriate for the level of suspicion.
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Post Post #231 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:28 pm

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Whatever, what's done is done, I basically accept that I'm going to be lynched, and I pretty much know why, so I've learned something, right? Not a total loss.
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Post Post #232 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:39 am

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TheJiveMachine wrote:
curiouskarmadog wrote:
TheJiveMachine wrote:
curiouskarmadog wrote:I think he is scum...on a hunch.

I want to lynch scum...so yes.
So you want to lynch someone on a hunch, despite the fact that myself, shafted, and (depending on who you ask) Pooky are acting identifiably scummy?
What are you really asking me? ..actually, what are you trying to imply at this point in the game?

At this point in the game, I'm implying that I found your post scummy, because you are fully supportive ofa lynch that your only reasoning for is a hunch? I think?
so I am scummy because I INFORMED YOU that my vote was based on a hunch? or am I scummy because at the moment I HAVE NOT jumped on the current leaders (or BWs) of those "acting scummy"? well I think that is about to change.

TheJiveMachine wrote:Whatever, what's done is done, I basically accept that I'm going to be lynched, and I pretty much know why, so I've learned something, right? Not a total loss.
unvote, vote Jivemachine


why are you going to be lynch, I am curious about your insight here and what you have learned.

So now I am scummy because why??
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Post Post #233 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:19 am

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The post at the top of this page just gives it all away.

Unvote, Vote Jive Machine


I've only seen one scenario where that reaction turned out to be pro-town, and the person that did it was a newbie idiot at the time (Hint: It may have been me).
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Post Post #234 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:42 am

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Final Vote Count
(before the end of the brainstorming session)

Adel - Shafted
Dean - Erg0
Jive - Adel, Pooky, Volkan, Karma, armlx
Pooky - Jive

The brainstorming session is over.


You still haven't solved the case ? Maybe a little competitiveness will raise your spirits. Each team must lynch a member of the opposite team. There will be two lynches during this case. In case of a no-lynch or a no majority, doctors will still get fired randomly. You cannot vote for a member of your team.


With 5 players in each team, its 3 to fire.
Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.
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Post Post #235 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:08 am

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So we have to pick between:

Erg0
Pooky
Dean
TG
armlx

There are a lot of infrequent posters on that list. I have pretty little impression of Erg0, Dean or TG. Going to reread them today. I'm obviously not a fan of Pooky or armlx, but maybe being on the receiving end of their baseless attacks has me biased.
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Post Post #236 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:25 am

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We think you are scum.

Would you rather have us not state who we think are scum in order to keep you happy and on our side?
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Post Post #237 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:33 am

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PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:We think you are scum.

Would you rather have us not state who we think are scum in order to keep you happy and on our side?
If you truly thought I was scum then why are you trying so hard not to convince others of your position. The only evidence you have put forth was "frenetic posting." Yet you state over and over I am scum hoping it will sink in.
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Post Post #238 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:55 am

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Pooky
Dean
Erg0
armlx
TrustGossip

HA, since we couldnt decide on who to lynch, 2 must be "fired" today...well my hunch on armix is getting stronger (especially with that last vote and reason)..most likely my vote will go (back) there..other than the "we" I havent decided about pooky...got nothing on the others.
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Post Post #239 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:12 am

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Ok, well that explains the team thing.

Sorry, I got a bit lost during Pooky and vollkan's little chat, so I need a reread to pick things up from here. Our team's choices are:

TheJiveMachine
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Adel
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Post Post #240 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:55 am

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vote: jivemachine
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Post Post #241 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:58 am

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Adel I don't think you can...
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Post Post #242 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:22 am

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reading for the win!
vote: armix
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Post Post #243 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:08 pm

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Adel wrote:reading for the win!
vote: armix
Adel I must admit I'm intrigued. I haven't seen you mention armlx outside of a mild back and forth with CKD.
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Post Post #244 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:39 pm

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Erg0
Pooky
Dean
TG
armlx

Hmm, guess it's time for a reread
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Post Post #245 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2008 2:25 pm

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shaft.ed wrote:Adel I must admit I'm intrigued. I haven't seen you mention armlx outside of a mild back and forth with CKD.
mini 518 demonstrated how astute ckd cn be as town, and I figure that if he is scum than his hunch may just be a scum-distancing technique.
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Post Post #246 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2008 2:59 pm

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I guess my "give peace a chance" idealism was doomed to be futile. Yet even though this new mechanic is meant to divide us, our only option is to unite. With two people gone today and then one more at night, a double mislynch spells a very unpleasant Day Two.

Upon rereads, it would be prudent to give assessments on every player, not just those from the five you have to choose from for a lynch. Sorry for the recent inactivity but college is slamming me from the get-go. Here are some quick (unedited) thoughts about the recent turns of events:

Changes in levels of perceived scuminess since my last post (not the Heath Ledger one, that didn't count)

Adel: huge drop, lots of pro-town play since his early-game vote-hopping gambit.

armix: neutral, can't get a good read, but since his vote connection with Adel was scummy when Adel seemed scummy, the same applies for the current game where Adel feels very town.

curious: slight increase, don't understand your hunches much at all. Presence of both hunch logic and actual logic is slightly disarming.

vollkan: he always seems town. I don't know the weight of that statement.

shaft.ed: sinusoidal wave, currently moderately town.

Erg0: ambiguous, since he was inactive and I was also inactive, it would seem hypocritical for me to raise his scum level. I was taught that inactivity was a nulltell, but it always seems more scummy than it is.

Pooky: increase, seemed to be very insistent on using his opinions to push for a shaft.ed lynch, but the examples cited fall though upon deduction.

TheJiveMachine: even worse than before. I don't know what's going on with you, but I don't think you have the right to cop a defeatist attitude when you haven't done much of anything to help the town root out scum.

Dean: still got bad vibes. Dean is foremost reason why I kept Erg0 as ambiguous, as Erg0 was another that supported the Dean wagon. I just get bad feelings about comments that are supposed to help but don't really give any new angles or aspects on already established arguments. I would really like him to weigh in on everything that has happened, along with Erg0.


As far as my vote goes. I've already stated that I'm very careful with it. That being said, for the following reasons:

1. Not giving opinions on fellow players.
2. Constantly playing the defensive when not being inactive
3. Giving up when it's obvious there is still discussion to be had

vote: TheJiveMachine


For the record, although my vote tends to be very sticky, this is my suspicion list to all applicable players.

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Post Post #247 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:02 pm

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TrustGossip wrote: With two people gone today and then one more at night, a double mislynch spells a very unpleasant Day Two.
once again reading for the win.

*psst*... the mafia don't have a nk.
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Post Post #248 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:10 pm

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An important question I would really really like for all player to answer as soon as possible:

Did you:
a. Remember
b. Forget
c. Never know

that
in the rules where it our god Mod wrote:4) The bad doctors cannot kill you. This is the Princeton-Plainsboro Teaching Hospital, not the Hezbollah recruitment office.
Which is it? A? B? or C?
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Post Post #249 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:11 pm

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I remember reading that rule, but I think I only recalled the sardonic wit of the second portion and not the game-defining information of the first.

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