PIRATES v. NINJAS! Game Over!
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hasdgfas Jack of All Trades
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1) Bad vig: claiming should happen before the actual kill.
2) I like a Thesp lynch right now, but I need to reread in order to see if any of my thoughts change.
Also, you didn't answer my question about what kind of dayvig it was. (if it was real)jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
jdodge1019: vermont is made of liberal freaks and cows
jdodge1019: he's not a liberal
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UltimaAvalon Vote: UltimaAvalon
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Thesp Supersaint
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BECAUSE IT MAY NOT BE GOOD PLAY.UltimaAvalon wrote:
Here, I disagree. If I had daykill powers, I'd use it day 1. What if I got Nightkilled Night 1 and never got to use it? I'd be seriously pissed off. And when will I get awesome daykill powers ever again?Thesp wrote:Note to everyone: Just because youcando cool things doesn't mean youshoulddo cool things.
I find it a bit irritating that people would lower the chance for their team to win the game in order to "do something cool".
(I have half a mind to run MBL up for what he's doing on a principle, but I don't think he's actually anti-town.)"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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Vote Count
Gorrad: 8 (Fritzler, Flameaxe, The Fonz, Kison, Thestatusquo, Thesp, Claus, Twomz)
Thesp: 4 (Guardian, hasdgfas, Gorrad, Mgm)
Skruffs: 2 (Samruc, KaleiÐoscøpe)
Iammars: 2 (Sir Tornado, mikeburnfire)
cicero: 2 (Iammars, UltimaAvalon)
UltimaAvalon: 1 (JordanA24)
Claus: 1 (cicero)
Thestatusquo: 1 (Thok)
Guardian: 1 (Erg0)
Not voting: 3 (Skruffs, Rosso Carne, MrBuddyLee)
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MrBuddyLee Slightly better than 50-50
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Thesp Supersaint
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"Good" play and "cool" play don't always coincide.UltimaAvalon wrote:If it wasn't a good idea, you wouldn't keep referring to it as "cool"
Also, it appears MBL was lying. *sigh* I do want to hear from Fritzler why he chose to resurrect the vig rather than the cop."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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Thesp Supersaint
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1) I like you doing that.MrBuddyLee wrote:Thesp, why would you get so ornery about:
1) me asking people their opinion of your alignment
2) me asking if Gorrad should die immediately
3) me getting Gorrad to tell his scumpartners goodbye before he's gone
ps, to fritz: patience, padawan
2) Isn't the answer obvious?
3) I don't think there's any chance that would happen.
I'm ornery for other reasons.
We can get around to killing Gorrad the old fashioned way."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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Thestatusquo He/HimSheaHe/Him
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UltimaAvalon Vote: UltimaAvalon
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Guardian Mafia Scum
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I assume that MBL and Fritz are town, as I find that far most likely. Welcome back MBL .
I personally can definitely see resurrecting a vigilante over a role-type-cop, with the appearance of what appears to be 3 scum factions. Especially considering it is MBL over DGB >_>.
I disagree strongly with a Gorrad lynch/dayvig. As I said/implied, I don't see any convincing case on Gorrad -- I don't find him more suspicious than an average townie.Do not lynch me.
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Thesp Supersaint
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HOW??? Really, how?Guardian wrote:I personally can definitely see resurrecting a vigilante over a role-type-cop, with the appearance of what appears to be 3 scum factions.A weaker-than-standard information role is still far superior to have around than a vig,ceteris parabis. I also don't want to hear a thing about MBL vs. DGB as a player - who do you think you would inherently draw kills from the pirate group anyway? The guaranteed vig, or the guaranteed player that finds members of their ranks? This line of thought is subpar, to say the least and saying it the kindest."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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What if there are scum pirates and town pirates? What if there areThesp wrote:
HOW??? Really, how?Guardian wrote:I personally can definitely see resurrecting a vigilante over a role-type-cop, with the appearance of what appears to be 3 scum factions.A weaker-than-standard information role is still far superior to have around than a vig,ceteris parabis.moretown pirates than scum pirates?
Explain to me again how you know/why you think the setup doesn't have pirate townies?Thesp wrote:This line of thought is subpar, to say the least and saying it the kindest.Do not lynch me.
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This line of complaint is completely unproductive.
Fritzler chose to bring back a good scumhunter/vig instead of a distracting player/possible cop. Ahether you agree or nay, it's a perfectly reasonable call. Yelling at him for it doesnt do anything but fill even more space on my screen with visions of a blue haired dude with a sword.-
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Thesp Supersaint
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Do you think it would be worthwhile to find this information out? A Pirate-finder could catch scum in a lie, and a vig cannot (largely speaking). This is in part why I still ponder whether or not it would be wise to make everyone claim pirate/ninja/neither - I'm not sure how useful it would be to the scum to know what townies are pirates/ninjas. If I were certain it wouldn't be useful to them, I'd press for it hardcore, because even scum lie here, there is something to catch them on (and I don't think townies would lie about this).Guardian wrote:
What if there are scum pirates and town pirates? What if there areThesp wrote:
HOW??? Really, how?Guardian wrote:I personally can definitely see resurrecting a vigilante over a role-type-cop, with the appearance of what appears to be 3 scum factions.A weaker-than-standard information role is still far superior to have around than a vig,ceteris parabis.moretown pirates than scum pirates?
I have said no such thing, nor do I think any such thing. I'm saying it's...less than stellar play...to regard a vig as more useful than an information role.Guardian wrote:
Explain to me again how you know/why you think the setup doesn't have pirate townies?Thesp wrote:This line of thought is subpar, to say the least and saying it the kindest."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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Thestatusquo wrote:Fritzler made the exact same play I would have. Take that with a grain of salt, though, because, well, you know."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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I think it would be great if the town could find this out without hurting ourselves.Thesp wrote:
Do you think it would be worthwhile to find this information out?Guardian wrote:
What if there are scum pirates and town pirates? What if there areThesp wrote:
HOW??? Really, how?Guardian wrote:I personally can definitely see resurrecting a vigilante over a role-type-cop, with the appearance of what appears to be 3 scum factions.A weaker-than-standard information role is still far superior to have around than a vig,ceteris parabis.moretown pirates than scum pirates?
A vigilante can kill scum while a pirate-finder cannot. (largely speaking)Thesp wrote:A Pirate-finder could catch scum in a lie, and a vig cannot (largely speaking).
I am also unsure how useful it would be to the scum.Thesp wrote:This is in part why I still ponder whether or not it would be wise to make everyone claim pirate/ninja/neither - I'm not sure how useful it would be to the scum to know what townies are pirates/ninjas. If I were certain it wouldn't be useful to them, I'd press for it hardcore, because even scum lie here, there is something to catch them on (and I don't think townies would lie about this).
Why? Explain this to me, assuming it is not obvious.Thesp wrote:
I have said no such thing, nor do I think any such thing. I'm saying it's...less than stellar play...to regard a vig as more useful than an information role.Guardian wrote:
Explain to me again how you know/why you think the setup doesn't have pirate townies?Thesp wrote:This line of thought is subpar, to say the least and saying it the kindest.Do not lynch me.
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I do not approve of Gorrad being day vigged, mainly because I was never very fond of his wagon to begin with."It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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I agree. Do you think it'd be harmful to have mass pirate/ninja/neither claim?Guardian wrote:
I think it would be great if the town could find this out without hurting ourselves.Thesp wrote:
Do you think it would be worthwhile to find this information out?Guardian wrote:
What if there are scum pirates and town pirates? What if there areThesp wrote:
HOW??? Really, how?Guardian wrote:I personally can definitely see resurrecting a vigilante over a role-type-cop, with the appearance of what appears to be 3 scum factions.A weaker-than-standard information role is still far superior to have around than a vig,ceteris parabis.moretown pirates than scum pirates?
OH NOES IF ONLY THE TOWN HAD SOME WAY OF KILLING THE SCUMZ WITHOUT A VIG. :rolleyes:Guardian wrote:
A vigilante can kill scum while a pirate-finder cannot. (largely speaking)Thesp wrote:A Pirate-finder could catch scum in a lie, and a vig cannot (largely speaking).
Then do you think we should massclaim pirate/ninja/neither?Guardian wrote:
I am also unsure how useful it would be to the scum.Thesp wrote:This is in part why I still ponder whether or not it would be wise to make everyone claim pirate/ninja/neither - I'm not sure how useful it would be to the scum to know what townies are pirates/ninjas. If I were certain it wouldn't be useful to them, I'd press for it hardcore, because even scum lie here, there is something to catch them on (and I don't think townies would lie about this).
I'm going to wait on this for a moment. I want to hear from Fritzler first.Guardian wrote:
Why? Explain this to me, assuming it is not obvious.Thesp wrote:
I have said no such thing, nor do I think any such thing. I'm saying it's...less than stellar play...to regard a vig as more useful than an information role.Guardian wrote:
Explain to me again how you know/why you think the setup doesn't have pirate townies?Thesp wrote:This line of thought is subpar, to say the least and saying it the kindest.
I swear I'm going to get out of the way and hear from others (and stop having so much for people to read), it's just hard for me to do sometimes."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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I could go around making spurious and baseless accusations, but I prefer to say useful stuff that actually makes sense.Thesp wrote:
This line of thought simplyMgm wrote:
Yes, you're totally correct, my play is totally superficial and unimpressive and it's not impressing me either. That's because it's day 1 with very little solid information to go on. It's going to be a lot better day 2.Guardian wrote:MGM's play has seemed very superficial and he has been going for "available"/easy targets. I'm equally unimpressed with the depth of his thinking. I'm not sure to what extent, if any, this has to say about his alignment, however.mustgo away from every mafia player's line of thought.This is never a good excuse. This is a cop-out.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Not necessarily a bad target, but like hasdfg I would've preferred giving him a chance to claim. We should definitely run up Thesp -- or even better: lynch him.MrBuddyLee wrote:Everyone else please weigh in ASAP before Gorrad's alignment is known:
1) Was that a good vig or a bad vig?
2) Thesp is public enemy #2. Should we run him up next?Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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