PIRATES v. NINJAS! Game Over!

[hasdgfas]

1) Bad vig: claiming should happen before the actual kill.

2) I like a Thesp lynch right now, but I need to reread in order to see if any of my thoughts change.


Also, you didn't answer my question about what kind of dayvig it was. (if it was real)

[UltimaAvalon]

#1 Good vig...just...canhazclaimz?

#2 No, cus I don't think he's public enemy #2

of course...who am I to argue with the vig?

[Thesp]

Note to everyone: Just because you

can

do cool things doesn't mean you

should

do cool things.

Here, I disagree. If I had daykill powers, I'd use it day 1. What if I got Nightkilled Night 1 and never got to use it? I'd be seriously pissed off. And when will I get awesome daykill powers ever again?

BECAUSE IT MAY NOT BE GOOD PLAY.

I find it a bit irritating that people would lower the chance for their team to win the game in order to "do something cool".

(I have half a mind to run MBL up for what he's doing on a principle, but I don't think he's actually anti-town.)

[UltimaAvalon]

If it wasn't a good idea, you wouldn't keep referring to it as "cool"

[Mr Stoofer]

Vote Count

Gorrad: 8 (Fritzler, Flameaxe, The Fonz, Kison, Thestatusquo, Thesp, Claus, Twomz)
Thesp: 4 (Guardian, hasdgfas, Gorrad, Mgm)
Skruffs: 2 (Samruc, KaleiÐoscøpe)
Iammars: 2 (Sir Tornado, mikeburnfire)
cicero: 2 (Iammars, UltimaAvalon)
UltimaAvalon: 1 (JordanA24)
Claus: 1 (cicero)
Thestatusquo: 1 (Thok)
Guardian: 1 (Erg0)

Not voting: 3 (Skruffs, Rosso Carne, MrBuddyLee)

13 to lynch!

Deadline will be ~13th February.

Under Rule [05], nobody would be lynched at deadline.

[MrBuddyLee]

*taps foot*

*checks watch*

[Thesp]

If it wasn't a good idea, you wouldn't keep referring to it as "cool"

"Good" play and "cool" play don't always coincide.

Also, it appears MBL was lying. *sigh* I do want to hear from Fritzler why he chose to resurrect the vig rather than the cop.

[MrBuddyLee]

Thesp, why would you get so ornery about:

1) me asking people their opinion of your alignment
2) me asking if Gorrad should die immediately
3) me getting Gorrad to tell his scumpartners goodbye before he's gone

ps, to fritz: patience, padawan

[Thesp]

Thesp, why would you get so ornery about:

1) me asking people their opinion of your alignment
2) me asking if Gorrad should die immediately
3) me getting Gorrad to tell his scumpartners goodbye before he's gone

ps, to fritz: patience, padawan

1) I like you doing that.
2) Isn't the answer obvious?
3) I don't think there's any chance that would happen.

I'm ornery for other reasons.

We can get around to killing Gorrad the old fashioned way.

[Thestatusquo]

This game just got a lot cooler

[Thestatusquo]

Also, who would ever kill UA n1? Thats horrendous scum play. It's not like he's a threat, or anything.

[UltimaAvalon]

I can think of two games I got killed N1, but they're both still ongoing

[Guardian]

I assume that MBL and Fritz are town, as I find that far most likely. Welcome back MBL .

I personally can definitely see resurrecting a vigilante over a role-type-cop, with the appearance of what appears to be 3 scum factions. Especially considering it is MBL over DGB >_>.

I disagree strongly with a Gorrad lynch/dayvig. As I said/implied, I don't see any convincing case on Gorrad -- I don't find him more suspicious than an average townie.

[Thesp]

I personally can definitely see resurrecting a vigilante over a role-type-cop, with the appearance of what appears to be 3 scum factions.

HOW??? Really, how?

A weaker-than-standard information role is still far superior to have around than a vig,

ceteris parabis. I also don't want to hear a thing about MBL vs. DGB as a player - who do you think you would inherently draw kills from the pirate group anyway? The guaranteed vig, or the guaranteed player that finds members of their ranks? This line of thought is subpar, to say the least and saying it the kindest.

[Guardian]

I personally can definitely see resurrecting a vigilante over a role-type-cop, with the appearance of what appears to be 3 scum factions.

HOW??? Really, how?

A weaker-than-standard information role is still far superior to have around than a vig,

ceteris parabis.

What if there are scum pirates and town pirates? What if there are

more

town pirates than scum pirates?

This line of thought is subpar, to say the least and saying it the kindest.

Explain to me again how you know/why you think the setup doesn't have pirate townies?

[cicero]

This line of complaint is completely unproductive.

Fritzler chose to bring back a good scumhunter/vig instead of a distracting player/possible cop. Ahether you agree or nay, it's a perfectly reasonable call. Yelling at him for it doesnt do anything but fill even more space on my screen with visions of a blue haired dude with a sword.

[Thesp]

I personally can definitely see resurrecting a vigilante over a role-type-cop, with the appearance of what appears to be 3 scum factions.

HOW??? Really, how?

A weaker-than-standard information role is still far superior to have around than a vig,

ceteris parabis.

What if there are scum pirates and town pirates? What if there are

more

town pirates than scum pirates?

Do you think it would be worthwhile to find this information out? A Pirate-finder could catch scum in a lie, and a vig cannot (largely speaking). This is in part why I still ponder whether or not it would be wise to make everyone claim pirate/ninja/neither - I'm not sure how useful it would be to the scum to know what townies are pirates/ninjas. If I were certain it wouldn't be useful to them, I'd press for it hardcore, because even scum lie here, there is something to catch them on (and I don't think townies would lie about this).

This line of thought is subpar, to say the least and saying it the kindest.

Explain to me again how you know/why you think the setup doesn't have pirate townies?

I have said no such thing, nor do I think any such thing. I'm saying it's...less than stellar play...to regard a vig as more useful than an information role.

[Thestatusquo]

Fritzler made the exact same play I would have. Take that with a grain of salt, though, because, well, you know.

[Thesp]

Fritzler made the exact same play I would have. Take that with a grain of salt, though, because, well, you know.

[MrBuddyLee]

Fritz brought me back cause I got a lightsaber and I plan to use it in his name. I mean, how often do you get your own pocket Jedi?

[Guardian]

I personally can definitely see resurrecting a vigilante over a role-type-cop, with the appearance of what appears to be 3 scum factions.

HOW??? Really, how?

A weaker-than-standard information role is still far superior to have around than a vig,

ceteris parabis.

What if there are scum pirates and town pirates? What if there are

more

town pirates than scum pirates?

Do you think it would be worthwhile to find this information out?

I think it would be great if the town could find this out without hurting ourselves.

A Pirate-finder could catch scum in a lie, and a vig cannot (largely speaking).

A vigilante can kill scum while a pirate-finder cannot. (largely speaking)

This is in part why I still ponder whether or not it would be wise to make everyone claim pirate/ninja/neither - I'm not sure how useful it would be to the scum to know what townies are pirates/ninjas. If I were certain it wouldn't be useful to them, I'd press for it hardcore, because even scum lie here, there is something to catch them on (and I don't think townies would lie about this).

I am also unsure how useful it would be to the scum.

This line of thought is subpar, to say the least and saying it the kindest.

Explain to me again how you know/why you think the setup doesn't have pirate townies?

I have said no such thing, nor do I think any such thing. I'm saying it's...less than stellar play...to regard a vig as more useful than an information role.

Why? Explain this to me, assuming it is not obvious.

[mikeburnfire]

I do not approve of Gorrad being day vigged, mainly because I was never very fond of his wagon to begin with.

[Thesp]

I personally can definitely see resurrecting a vigilante over a role-type-cop, with the appearance of what appears to be 3 scum factions.

HOW??? Really, how?

A weaker-than-standard information role is still far superior to have around than a vig,

ceteris parabis.

What if there are scum pirates and town pirates? What if there are

more

town pirates than scum pirates?

Do you think it would be worthwhile to find this information out?

I think it would be great if the town could find this out without hurting ourselves.

I agree. Do you think it'd be harmful to have mass pirate/ninja/neither claim?

A Pirate-finder could catch scum in a lie, and a vig cannot (largely speaking).

A vigilante can kill scum while a pirate-finder cannot. (largely speaking)

OH NOES IF ONLY THE TOWN HAD SOME WAY OF KILLING THE SCUMZ WITHOUT A VIG. :rolleyes:

This is in part why I still ponder whether or not it would be wise to make everyone claim pirate/ninja/neither - I'm not sure how useful it would be to the scum to know what townies are pirates/ninjas. If I were certain it wouldn't be useful to them, I'd press for it hardcore, because even scum lie here, there is something to catch them on (and I don't think townies would lie about this).

I am also unsure how useful it would be to the scum.

Then do you think we should massclaim pirate/ninja/neither?

This line of thought is subpar, to say the least and saying it the kindest.

Explain to me again how you know/why you think the setup doesn't have pirate townies?

I have said no such thing, nor do I think any such thing. I'm saying it's...less than stellar play...to regard a vig as more useful than an information role.

Why? Explain this to me, assuming it is not obvious.

I'm going to wait on this for a moment. I want to hear from Fritzler first.

I swear I'm going to get out of the way and hear from others (and stop having so much for people to read), it's just hard for me to do sometimes.

[Mgm]

MGM's play has seemed very superficial and he has been going for "available"/easy targets. I'm equally unimpressed with the depth of his thinking. I'm not sure to what extent, if any, this has to say about his alignment, however.

Yes, you're totally correct, my play is totally superficial and unimpressive and it's not impressing me either. That's because it's day 1 with very little solid information to go on. It's going to be a lot better day 2.

This line of thought simply

must

go away from every mafia player's line of thought.

This is never a good excuse. This is a cop-out.

I could go around making spurious and baseless accusations, but I prefer to say useful stuff that actually makes sense.

[Mgm]

Everyone else please weigh in ASAP before Gorrad's alignment is known:

1) Was that a good vig or a bad vig?

2) Thesp is public enemy #2. Should we run him up next?

Not necessarily a bad target, but like hasdfg I would've preferred giving him a chance to claim. We should definitely run up Thesp -- or even better: lynch him.