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Whoever is metagaming me is stupid.
SensPizzaLine: if you don't mind me asking, what did your edited post originally say?
Flubunga: in which game?
SensPizzaLine: Mini 551
SensPizzaLine: the one where you were confused about my post
Flubunga: I was saying
Flubunga: that you can't vote for a cop
Flubunga: by you saying vote: cop
Flubunga: then I saw it was vote: c vote: o vote: p
Flubunga: and I wasn't thinking
Pretty much, I thought he wanted the votecount to register a vote on whoever was cop, if there is a cop, thus either confirming him or showing everyone who the cop was, if there is a cop and if he is cop or non-cop.
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Thats what scum gain lovo.Elias_the_thief wrote:Anyways, to all the people who are saying that scum does not gain from a faked PR, youre wrong. For one, it allows them just the sort of WIFOM protection your statement is suggesting, two, it allows them to limit their contribution without being accused of lurking.I play the games rul gud.-
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It seems like many people don't want a SensFan lynch today. That puzzles me, but ok. Time for an analysis.
Cogito Ergo Scum: Suggests lynching SensFan even if he isn't faking. Maintains that townies often fake PRs. I'm not so sure about those two parts, but otherwise, seems to be consistently protown in attitude.
Elias_the_Thief: Assumes SensFan is faking his PR. Seems confused by SensFan's miscounted self-vote. Changes direction on the mod confusion issue (first he says it shows SensFan isn't a cop, then he says he's confused, then suggests leaving SensFan until tomorrow). Doesn't strike me as particularly town or scum.
jerubaal: Pushes the SensFan lynch. Asks an interesting question about SensFan's PR, which never really gets answered. No strong read here either.
Joubert: One random vote, one post which doesn't really add anything to the discussion. Might need replacement.
Khelvaster: Obviously scum.
Korts: Says that if SensFan's PR is faked, he's obviously scum. Doubletalks about whether it's possibly faked. Opposes SensFan lynch on the basis that he might be protown (newbie scum seem to make this argument a lot). Suggests a counter of SensFan's cop claim, which would expose the real cop for a nightkill. Overall, very scummy.FOS: Korts
lovo14: Very little contribution. Opposes SensFan lynch without explaining reason. Raises Usurper for no reason I can tell. Also scummy.
matimafia: Hasn't posted at all, not even to confirm.Mod, we need a replacement.
theopor_COD: Hasn't posted since confirming.Mod, we need a prod and/or replacement.
ting =): Says we shouldn't lynch SensFan, then votes him in the same post. Promptly unvotes because he doesn't really want to lynch him(?!). Gives an interesting explaination for SensFan's PR which makes me think he and SensFan aren't scum together. Questions the SensFan wagon, apparently forgetting that he was on it. Uncertain, leaning town.
Overall I think the scummiest players are SensFan, Korts, and lovo14 in that order.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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I somehow thought that I had talked enough about SensFan, but since you ask:
SensFan: Has made a lot of posts, but hasn't given any opinions on other players or otherwise looked for scum. Claims a post restriction, which is very unlikely in a normal game. I'd think he was scummy for his lack of content, even without the post restriction; together they me almost certain he's scum.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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yeah, thats what i meant with the "on purpose" comment, as in you thought youd covered it.Xylthixlm wrote:I somehow thought that I had talked enough about SensFan, but since you ask:
As for the points you raise, I'll agree that the PR is unlikely, but that doesnt mean hes scum. I saw my brother once fake a PR for two game days before being discovered, and he turned out to be a one time kill immune townie. So I dont think its a reliable scum tell.
The only reason I do think a Sensfan lynch would be alright is that it would clear the waters as ive said earlier, and give us info about those for or against his lynch. But as of right now, i think that can occur later rather than sooner, and in the meanwhile looking in other directions is better. the result is that ill be rereading tomorrow.I play the games rul gud.-
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We're going to let the donk with the idiotic PR and really suspect claim off the hook? I absolutely do not approve. If he's scum, there's no way to test his results without lynching at least one townie, and that's assuming he gives us a guilty verdict. Merely assuming three scum, with no other killing/neutral roles, if we mislynch today and follow SensFan to a mislynch tomorrow, we're already in lylo. The strongest case today, by far, is on him, and I see absolutely no reason to pass it by.
There are a lot of people in this game who really need to step it up and actually post something or simply get out. Only about half of the players in this game are actually contributing.<><-
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@xyl - My vote on sensfan was a random vote. That's why i unvoted when i on the next post when i realized it put him dangerously close to a lynch.
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Not to me. It just means that I can't be certain he's town, but I'm not willing to jump to the conclusion that he's scum just because I'm not absolutely sure he's town.cogito ergo scum wrote:Isn't 'not doing anything protown' scummy? At least I think it is.-
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How's not agreeing with you scummy? You know, you're right that a counterclaim would do us no good, but lynching the claimed cop doesn't give him even a chance to prove his claim. I know I did ask whether we should wait for a counterclaim, but I didn't think about the consequences. Sorry, my bad. If we don't lynch SF, he might be NK-ed, but if he isn't, he's scum, as far as I'm concerned. I dunno really, I may be newbie, but if he's town and we lynch him, it's still a step towards losing regardless of his contribution. And I just don't understand the doubletalk comment.Xyl wrote: Korts: Says that if SensFan's PR is faked, he's obviously scum. Doubletalks about whether it's possibly faked. Opposes SensFan lynch on the basis that he might be protown (newbie scum seem to make this argument a lot). Suggests a counter of SensFan's cop claim, which would expose the real cop for a nightkill. Overall, very scummy. FOS: Korts
Likewise, Xyl, my top suspect is you, followed by CESc: your reasons amount to "SF can't say anything of value, so let's get rid of him, and anyway he's faking until he proves otherwise" which in my opinion is probably impossible to prove. I'm keeping the vote for now.
About the lurkers, however, I agree.mod: please do prod or replace Joubert, matimafia and theopor_CODAnd lovo seems to be lurking in plain sight, to me.scumchat never die-
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Xylthixlm wrote:Cogito Ergo Scum: Suggests lynching SensFan even if he isn't faking. Maintains that townies often fake PRs. I'm not so sure about those two parts, but otherwise, seems to be consistently protown in attitude.Vote: T
Xylthixlm wrote:Elias_the_Thief: Assumes SensFan is faking his PR. Seems confused by SensFan's miscounted self-vote. Changes direction on the mod confusion issue (first he says it shows SensFan isn't a cop, then he says he's confused, then suggests leaving SensFan until tomorrow). Doesn't strike me as particularly town or scum.Vote: S
Xylthixlm wrote:jerubaal: Pushes the SensFan lynch. Asks an interesting question about SensFan's PR, which never really gets answered. No strong read here either.Vote: T
Xylthixlm wrote:Joubert: One random vote, one post which doesn't really add anything to the discussion. Might need replacement.Vote: L
Xylthixlm wrote:Korts: Says that if SensFan's PR is faked, he's obviously scum. Doubletalks about whether it's possibly faked. Opposes SensFan lynch on the basis that he might be protown (newbie scum seem to make this argument a lot). Suggests a counter of SensFan's cop claim, which would expose the real cop for a nightkill. Overall, very scummy.FOS: KortsVote: T
Xylthixlm wrote:lovo14: Very little contribution. Opposes SensFan lynch without explaining reason. Raises Usurper for no reason I can tell. Also scummy.Vote: S
Xylthixlm wrote:matimafia: Hasn't posted at all, not even to confirm.Mod, we need a replacement.Vote: L
Xylthixlm wrote:theopor_COD: Hasn't posted since confirming.Mod, we need a prod and/or replacement.Vote: L
Xylthixlm wrote:ting =): Says we shouldn't lynch SensFan, then votes him in the same post. Promptly unvotes because he doesn't really want to lynch him(?!). Gives an interesting explaination for SensFan's PR which makes me think he and SensFan aren't scum together. Questions the SensFan wagon, apparently forgetting that he was on it. Uncertain, leaning town.Vote: S
Korts wrote:XylVote: S
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"Not doing anything protown"ting =) wrote:
Not to me. It just means that I can't be certain he's town, but I'm not willing to jump to the conclusion that he's scum just because I'm not absolutely sure he's town.cogito ergo scum wrote:Isn't 'not doing anything protown' scummy? At least I think it is.isscummy. One of the best ways of separating scum from town is to see if their actions match their claimed motivations. Someone who claims to be town, but does nothing to advance the town's cause, should draw attention.
You're right that you shouldn't lynch just because you aren't absolutely sure someone is town; but you shouldn'tnotlynch just because you aren't absolutely sure someone is scum! The best strategy is almost always to lynch the person you think ismost likelyto be scum... even if that's less than their chance of being town.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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If not agreeing with me was scummy, I wouldn't have a town read on ting.Korts wrote:How's not agreeing with you scummy?
Either that, or you did think about the consequences and did it anyways.You know, you're right that a counterclaim would do us no good, but lynching the claimed cop doesn't give him even a chance to prove his claim. I know I did ask whether we should wait for a counterclaim, but I didn't think about the consequences. Sorry, my bad.
So all the scum have to do is not kill him, and you'll lynch him tomorrow. We get one confirmed cop inspect out of him if he's town, but then we have to lynch someone else today (most suspects, less info) instead of tomorrow (fewer suspects, more info). And then you pull out the same logic again, and we keep not lynching him, and he skates to endgame.If we don't lynch SF, he might be NK-ed, but if he isn't, he's scum, as far as I'm concerned.
The logical conclusion of reusing to lynch someone because they might be town is for the town to not lynchI dunno really, I may be newbie, but if he's town and we lynch him, it's still a step towards losing regardless of his contribution.anyone, because on day one you can't be sure someone isn't town. Then we go to night, the scum kill, and we're back at the same situation with no more information and one fewer townie. Eventually, the scum wins.
Well, let's look at the comment I linked.And I just don't understand the doubletalk comment.
Here you take both sides of the issue. You say you're convinced isn't, but if it turns out that he is, you can come back later and say "Oh, but I admitted there's a possibility that he is". That tells me that you don't really believe what you're saying, and want some insurance.I'm trying to say that I'm, for now, convinced that he's not faking. I admit that there's a fair possibility that he is, but I don't think so, at the moment.
This is most definitelyLikewise, Xyl, my top suspect is you, followed by CESc: your reasons amount to "SF can't say anything of value, so let's get rid of him, and anyway he's faking until he proves otherwise" which in my opinion is probably impossible to prove.notmy position. My position is that he could say things of value, but doesn't. If you're going to try to paint me as scummy for something I said, at least do it for something Iactually said.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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All I was trying to say is that I'm not a hundred percent sure, just pretty convinced. Nothing wrong in being politically correct, is there?Xyl wrote: Here you take both sides of the issue. You say you're convinced isn't, but if it turns out that he is, you can come back later and say "Oh, but I admitted there's a possibility that he is". That tells me that you don't really believe what you're saying, and want some insurance.
I'm glad if that's not your position, but if you'd like the quotes that made me think that, so be it:Xyl wrote:
This is most definitely not my position. My position is that he could say things of value, but doesn't. If you're going to try to paint me as scummy for something I said, at least do it for something I actually said.
Likewise, Xyl, my top suspect is you, followed by CESc: your reasons amount to "SF can't say anything of value, so let's get rid of him, and anyway he's faking until he proves otherwise" which in my opinion is probably impossible to prove.
well this isn't exactly it yet, but still a bit scummy in my read:
getting closer:Xyl wrote: CESc admits to lying --> null tell. (There's a reason for a townie to do it, but I oppose lying in general.)
CESc doesn't admit to lying, doesn't provide evidence --> scum tell.
CESc doesn't admit to lying, provides evidence --> I get confused.
well, maybe you're right and I was wrong. But still, those last two quotes are pretty under the belt for SF, if not scummy. Maybe it was CESc after all who wanted to lynch cos he wouldn't say anything valuable to us.Xyl wrote: Chance that he is faking: High.
Chance that he is scum if he is faking: Very high.
Chance that he will be helpful if he is not faking: Low.
Benefit of lynching him compared to any other player: High.
What you haven't answered:how can he prove the PR?scumchat never die-
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You call it "being politically correct". I call it a scumtell.Korts wrote:All I was trying to say is that I'm not a hundred percent sure, just pretty convinced. Nothing wrong in being politically correct, is there?
In other words, you've been arguing that I'm scum for a false reason. So why are you still arguing? It looks like you started with the goal of creating a counterwagon on me, and then went looking for reasons.well, maybe you're right and I was wrong. But still, those last two quotes are pretty under the belt for SF, if not scummy. Maybe it was CESc after all who wanted to lynch cos he wouldn't say anything valuable to us.
He can't, and I've never expected him to.What you haven't answered:how can he prove the PR?#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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looks like I'm wrong again, Xyl... That was CESc too. Sorry.Cogito Ergo Scum wrote:
But how would he be able to do something scummy at all with this PR? Other than using his vote, he can hardly do anything producive for the town. And since such a PR is very rare in a mini normal, I'd rather say he's faking his PR unless we can prove he's actually not.ting =) wrote:How is lynching SensFan helpful to town? As far as I can tell, that's nothing more than a OMGPRS lynch. Yes, it's annoying, but he hasn't actually done anything scummy unless you can prove he's actually faking his PR.
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