Mini 546: House Mafia - Game Over

[shaft.ed]

yes which is why we should not have lynched Beep Beep During that voting phase.

Frankly speaking Nobody replaces into a game and hammers his scum partner without much of a grasp on the game

Frankly speaking, I do not believe Beep is capable of hammering his scumpartner right out of the gate like that.

Frankly speaking with the number of people who thought Armlx was scum ,it would've been damn foolhardy to lynch Beep Beep before we get confirmation on what alignment Armlx has.

He's one of the people we get a lot more information on after reveal.

Frankly speaking, we didn't know armlx's alignment before the lynch.

Frankly speaking, you didn't even mention this was damn foolhardy until after both players' alignments were revealed.

Frankly speaking, you never spoke a word in TJM or Beep's defense prior to his lynch.

Frankly speaking, you were part of his L-1 bandwagon.

Frankly speaking, you were not right on Beep's alignment because you never took a side in regards to his lynch, you made proxy suggestions that he was town being railroaded by vollkan.

Frankly speaking, here is the sum of all of your posts between the time Beep replaced in and the time armlx revealed his alignment:

vote Vollkan

Hi

I still want to lynch Vollkan.

Do any of you want to convince me otherwise?

If I had thought your responses were sufficient to alleviate my suspicion of you, my vote would not be on you.

Frankly speaking, did you have a relevant point to make with this line of reasoning or was it more for future reference as to what one should do in an instance where you are given two lynches and a recplacemnt quickly lynches a player while the replacement is also a leading lynch candidate?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Frankly speaking, I thought it was obvious.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Volky has no reason to detract from his normal playing style, this could be easily consistent with his normal playing style, but that's the thing, the way he jumps on JiveMachine feels in a way like he's a wolf jumping on this poor sheep that is just geniunely confused and screwed up.

Basically I think Vollkan's actions right b4 he pushes jive machine near that noose(or what he thought was lynch) feel somewhat lackluster to me, it doesn't feel like he is looking for scum, it feels like he is looking for an easy lynch.

If I am saying Volkan is the wolf, and I am saying JM is a poor sheep, then yes I am saying JM is a poor confused townie who is being jumped on because of weakness.

So yes I am saying JM is protown.

[TrustGossip]

Frankly speaking, let's decide on a leader so we can vote the shit out of each other already.

[vollkan]

Vollkan while I see your point that being on the "right" or "wrong" voting wagon does not an alignment make, I'm a little bit troubled that you are almost entirely ignoring such information. Also seems odd that you would not adjust TG's ranking after his twisted logic in accusing Erg0 for his own transgressions.

I'm not entirely ignoring it. What I am saying is that, on its own, I am not going to take it as persuasive evidence of anything. I'm not one to hike up my suspicion of people just because they had the misfortune of being on a townie wagon. Conversely, I've seen first-hand how extreme bussing can get, so I try to keep an open-mind about everything.

As for TG and Erg0, certainly I agree that TG's "twisted logic" was questionable. However, his play has been overwhelmingly not scummy and such an aberration, whilst important, is (as with the wagons) not enough to substantially shift me at this stage on its own.

If I am saying Volkan is the wolf, and I am saying JM is a poor sheep, then yes I am saying JM is a poor confused townie who is being jumped on because of weakness.

I did not jump on him for weakness. I "jumped" on him for some atrociously contradictory play. Giving him a free pass for that sort of thing is completely irresponsible.

[TrustGossip]

Support: vollkan

as team leader.

I chalk a substantial portion of my actions towards Erg0 as "OMG A TOWNIE LYNCH WHO ELSE VOTED!" type reaction. Another portion is that I still remember Erg0's support of my Dean opinion in the beginning of the game as odd, especially as Adel at the time was acting more suspicious. (I was poking around at Dean and did not really expect a companion...)

ckd, I am tenuously at neutral with you right now as your recent comments seem very proactive. If you would like me to admit it, then yes, I did find your overreaction to my one vote as scummy. Something in the content and sheer shock value surprised me. I interpretted that surprise as a possible scumtell.

[Adel]

I will only support myself or ckd for leader. We lynched scum.

[curiouskarmadog]

if the leader "vote" is incorrect or you want to change please feel free to state such...also other's need to chime. IF you got a better idea (like a dice role)..you can vote for that I guess.

Leader choices:

Shafted: CKD, 1/2 Vollkan
Pooky: Ergo
Vollkan: TG
TG: 1/2 Vollkan
CKD: Shafted, 1/2 Adel
Adel: 1/2 Adel

Pooky, What was your alternative to lynch Beep? Someone on that team was going to die, no matter if you voted Beep or not. SO why was lynching Beep a bad idea (at that time).

[shaft.ed]

CKD if we're going to wait for a majority vote this will take forever. I think a system whereby each player gets 2-3 votes, first person to reach some threshhold is chosen as the team leader would be a little bit more expediant. Alternatively, each player can have a single vote and we just take the person that recieves the most. In that case Pooky has to actually make a relevant play in the game, and we have to wait for Thanatos to post something or get replaced. Also I'm likely to not have access over the weekend. If moving my vote would resolve a tie breaker resulting in either myself or vollkan becoming the team leader you have permission to move it.

Pooky, What was your alternative to lynch Beep? Someone on that team was going to die, no matter if you voted Beep or not. SO why was lynching Beep a bad idea (at that time).

He's made it quite clear that vollkan was his prefered lynch for the day. Not sure how you missed that one.

pooky, if you have to read into a sentence that was buried in the middle of a medium length post that's primary purpose was attacking vollkan and was the only occurance of you talking about TJM/Beep's alignment, I don't think you made any strong suggestions one way or another about him. You certainly weren't pointing out that lynching him was a bad idea until after his alignment was revealed.

[curiouskarmadog]

Pooky, What was your alternative to lynch Beep? Someone on that team was going to die, no matter if you voted Beep or not. SO why was lynching Beep a bad idea (at that time).

He's made it quite clear that vollkan was his prefered lynch for the day. Not sure how you missed that one.

you are right I did read that...just something about the statement has rubbed me wrong...maybe it was just the timing but that has already been asked too...retract the question.

I dont care what system we use...I just want to speed up the process.

[Adel]

how about each person cast three votes, and the first person to get nine votes wins?

[curiouskarmadog]

maybe I am just tired, but how does one person get to 9 with 8 people? can you vote the same person 3 times?

[Adel]

yes.

[curiouskarmadog]

do you mind tallying the votes?..sort of a pain.

[Claus]

If you choose a system, I'll tally up the vote ... or I can distribute straws if you'd like that.

Thanatos hasn't posted in 48 hours, but it is his Birthday today - I'll give him another 24 hours before prodding.

[shaft.ed]

Thanks Claus.

2 CKD
1 shaft.ed

[vollkan]

I agree with the proposed system.

1 TrustGossip
1 shaft.ed
1 vollkan

[Thanatos]

If you choose a system, I'll tally up the vote ... or I can distribute straws if you'd like that.

Thanatos hasn't posted in 48 hours, but it is his Birthday today - I'll give him another 24 hours before prodding.

Yeah, as you said, things are hectic this week. Pretty insane. Re-reading 20 pages is difficult. Don't lose faith, I'm normally quite active. This is just an unusually bad time.

[Thanatos]

Please, though, give me some time to digest before we move on to the next phase of the game. Just a day or two.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Would you believe a "strong" scum player to be capable of making the mistake he made?

Would you believe a "weak" town player to be capable of making the mistake he made?

[vollkan]

Would you believe a "strong" scum player to be capable of making the mistake he made?

No.

Would you believe a "weak" town player to be capable of making the mistake he made?

Yes.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Do you believe a weak town player is as likely to commit the type of error commited by TJM as a weak scum player?

[vollkan]

No

[curiouskarmadog]

Thanks Claus.

2 CKD
1 shaft.ed

LOL, I was going to vote this way too

2 shafted
1 CKD

thanks claus..

Pooky you interesting in choosing a leader?

[Adel]

3 curiouskarmadog