Large Normal 204: BooneyToonz III - Calling All Cryptids!END

[WhyMafia]

May I stay? I'd like some more milkshake.

How are you able to keep up in so many games?
Just two-three is stressful for me

Extremely sorry for the low activity on my part
Finals are not helping :/

[WhyMafia]

You love that he didn't vote Gamma despite reading him as scum? What's town about that?

I see that as Town, because that's not a vote on the wagon that could have lead to an early lynch. Had he voted, it could have lead to an early lynch, and not much discussion, which is something Scum want, and not Town.

Oh.

Ya know, this is a really bad reason to town read someone and I have no idea how you came up with it.

Agreed
If you don't vote someone that you consider scummy ...

And it's not limiting discussion if it's not a hammer/L-1

[WhyMafia]

Definitely may not be the best word, but contribution is key in a game of Mafia, and Theta showed a lot of that. Had he stayed, I think he'd be really good at keeping contributions up.

Effort is not equivalent to alignment
I've been the victim of that
Remember FireBringer's game, Gamma?

[Gamma Emerald]

May I stay? I'd like some more milkshake.

How are you able to keep up in so many games?
Just two-three is stressful for me

Extremely sorry for the low activity on my part
Finals are not helping :/

I have no life that's why

[Gamma Emerald]

Definitely may not be the best word, but contribution is key in a game of Mafia, and Theta showed a lot of that. Had he stayed, I think he'd be really good at keeping contributions up.

Effort is not equivalent to alignment
I've been the victim of that
Remember FireBringer's game, Gamma?

Uhh which one?

[WhyMafia]

May I stay? I'd like some more milkshake.

How are you able to keep up in so many games?
Just two-three is stressful for me

Extremely sorry for the low activity on my part
Finals are not helping :/

I have no life that's why

Oh

of course you don't, what did I expect


jkkkk

[WhyMafia]

Definitely may not be the best word, but contribution is key in a game of Mafia, and Theta showed a lot of that. Had he stayed, I think he'd be really good at keeping contributions up.

Effort is not equivalent to alignment
I've been the victim of that
Remember FireBringer's game, Gamma?

Uhh which one?

Large normal
I got hammered in LYLO cause I had the worst contributions

[WhyMafia]

Definitely may not be the best word, but contribution is key in a game of Mafia, and Theta showed a lot of that. Had he stayed, I think he'd be really good at keeping contributions up.

Effort is not equivalent to alignment
I've been the victim of that
Remember FireBringer's game, Gamma?

Uhh which one?

Large normal
I got hammered in LYLO cause I had the worst contributions

The one with NotFury/LaLight

[massive]

I mean, I think FourTrouble is town so I want to stop arguing semantics. I think we're getting distracted from hunting scum. I'm thankful we did so in a polite and conjugal manner rather than a rap battle with all sorts of nasty words because I think we all know I can't rhyme.

I played in a Princess Bride themed mini in 2003 where I was Fezzig and in order to use my doctor ability each night, I had to quote another player and then rhyme them in my response three times during the game day. Hardest mini ever. I had some real stretches in there.

[Gamma Emerald]

Definitely may not be the best word, but contribution is key in a game of Mafia, and Theta showed a lot of that. Had he stayed, I think he'd be really good at keeping contributions up.

Effort is not equivalent to alignment
I've been the victim of that
Remember FireBringer's game, Gamma?

Uhh which one?

Large normal
I got hammered in LYLO cause I had the worst contributions

UH now I'm completely lost

[Ginngie]

Just from waking up and catching up, I'm feeling more confident and building up a PM wagon

[WhyMafia]

Definitely may not be the best word, but contribution is key in a game of Mafia, and Theta showed a lot of that. Had he stayed, I think he'd be really good at keeping contributions up.

Effort is not equivalent to alignment
I've been the victim of that
Remember FireBringer's game, Gamma?

Uhh which one?

Large normal
I got hammered in LYLO cause I had the worst contributions

UH now I'm completely lost

Hmm lemme find a link
Unless you weren't in that game ... which makes things awkward

[massive]

OK, I can look at that Ginngie.

[Gamma Emerald]

That was a mini normal
Also I know jack shit about the play that game
But okay

[WhyMafia]

That was a mini normal
Also I know jack shit about the play that game
But okay

Oops
I am stupid
*Lemme go back to my little hole*

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean
I

think

the same happened in 1905

[WhyMafia]

I mean
I

think

the same happened in 1905

True

[massive]

So Ginngie talk to me about 161. This looks town, like, I can't see even bad scum wanting to take on Gamma based on things that seem so NAI they could make up an episode of That's So Mafiascum. They'd be putting their neck out against someone who they already know is possibly going to have "extreme" or "jerkish" reactions. Why does scum-PMysterious make this post?

[Ginngie]

My main concern is that the form in which PM is forming their reads involve NAI stuff like the amount of content the user posted and it's been shown of inconsistency in those reads which I'll try to break down later.

Then what bothered me is the form of a town read on Gamma?(whoever she said didn't vote a scum read) and how to me it comes from the perspective of knowing someone's town for the wrong reasons.

To me it's like PM!scum knew Gamma? was town and decided to defend him/give a town read but the reasoning is just something thrown out there and is only seen as reasonable to someone who knows a player, regardless of actions are town.

P-edit: I'll look at 161

[Gamma Emerald]

Can you clarify what you mean Ginngie?

[FourTrouble]

Alright, Massive. This isn't an argument, just trying to develop consensus about something. You're not the first player I've played with who focuses on motives to the exclusion of other evidence, and all I can say is, you gotta break out that box sometime, take a look at the bigger picture. There's two things that distinguish town from scum: an informed perspective, and a different win condition. You look at motives as evidence of a different win condition. But you look at a player's thought process for evidence of an informed perspective. And the reigning meta won't ever change that, because it's impossible for townies not to have a thought process if they're trying to sort alignments. The sorting of alignments creates thoughts. So no matter the meta townies who try sorting alignments will have a thought process. Maybe it's shitty but there's something there. In contrast, the scum don't have a thought process because they're informed, they already know all the alignments, so they're not sorting alignments. Competent scum contrive thoughts but even then they're still contrived and therefore readable if you know what you're looking for.

Penguin's response to Egg looks fake in that it doesn't reflect an underlying interest in Egg's alignment. At most, it reflects an interest in forcing a scumread on Transcend. And that's scummy, regardless of whatever motives you ascribe to Penguin, because it shows that Penguin's reading the game from an informed perspective.

[FourTrouble]

So Ginngie talk to me about 161. This looks town, like, I can't see even bad scum wanting to take on Gamma based on things that seem so NAI they could make up an episode of That's So Mafiascum. They'd be putting their neck out against someone who they already know is possibly going to have "extreme" or "jerkish" reactions. Why does scum-PMysterious make this post?

How do you square 161 with the rest of PM's posts?

[FourTrouble]

At the moment, my list of scums is Theta, Penguin, and PM. Still working out who the others are.

[Ginngie]

Can you clarify what you mean Ginngie?

Spoiler:

- Alisae uses meta tell!
- but it's not very effective...

I mean Frogger is getting pushed and instead of responding to the push he's correcting Nancy's votecount and not doing anything else

That looks scummy.

why would scum do this

This is a most recent example that I can think of.

However, one that I think defines it for me, and can be backed up by Lexa, is when Lexa just said she couldn't see LicketyQuickety as scum and I built this whole dissertation on why LQ was scum.
viewtopic.php?p=8795237#p8795237

It's best to read that for context and get the jist of what I'm saying.

[massive]

Real quick: It's anti-town, and current Mafiascum protocol is to differentiate that from scummy. Town players play in anti-town ways all the time, whether it's out of boredom, spite, willful trolling, ignorance, or clumsiness. You say "Penguin's response to Egg can't come from town" and I tell you I can give you a dozen examples of town doing That Exact Thing if you want to wait for them. Heck I would even be willing to try to limit myself to people in this game who have done it and who aren't standing up and saying "oh yeah I've done that as town" because I bet pisskop and Transcend AT LEAST have done it. Maybe even Ginngie.

Re: 161 vs the rest -- I haven't yet. I came back here because I wanted to engage Ginngie on 161 specifically and then got caught up in work. So I'll keep going through PMyst shortly.