Mini #537 Happy Tree Friends Mafia - Game Over

[Holy]

^I'm sorry, I did a quick visit last time, almost forgot about it.

Phate's stubbornness yesterday could come from either alignment, especially after reading the definition of Mafia Spy that psycho pointed. But what pinging my scumdar the most was the quote from him yesterday that I brought back here. Although you don't think JDodge is scum, he still might be the scum, so why should you defend him anyway, it's better if you let him defend himself to understand more what his true intention was. Your defending action just not make sense in my eyes the more I think about it.

This is ridiculous. Why would I let crap logic pass by on the off-chance that

the person it's aimed

at is scum?

I'm sorry again, the bolded part, who exactly did you meant? The Mafia Spy?
If that's the case, then... huh?

[Phate]

No, I was talking about JDodge.

At any rate, with deadline looming, I think it's time for me to claim.

I'm Cub. I'm apparantly so cute that if I'm lynched then there will be a nolynch the next day; basically, two night phases in a row.

[Holy]

^That's odd, lynch happens on Day, not Night.


Actually, I think you need to re-phrase your question to me. But I'll try to make it clearer for you.

I defended JDodge because I don't think he's scum.

Regarding your defense-play on JDodge, although you were pretty sure he's town-like, you were only guessing, unless you're scum. If you're town, you would let him explained by himself for suspicions aimed at him, so you'll be more sure of his townie-ness from how he's responding.

[Phate]

Yes, lynch does happen on Day, not Night. Which means that if there's an automatic nolynch the next day, it will be roughly the same as having two night phases in a row.

Holy, you're making several false assumptions here. Here's your logic:

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In my opinion, it is optimal play for a townie not to defend other players, even if they're being attacked with crap logic.  Thus, Phate, playing as town, would not defend another player being attacked with crap logic.  Thus. Phate is scum.

Do I need to explain the fallacies here?

[kuribo]

^That's odd, lynch happens on Day, not Night.

What does that have to do with anything? He didn't say anything about lynching at night.

[kuribo]

I think that it looks like Holy may be trying to mislead us.

[Holy]

@Phate: The case about JDodge, he was attacked because of his lack of explanation when stating his suspects. If JDodge was attacked because of a crap logic case, then your fallacies might apply.

^That's odd, lynch happens on Day, not Night.

What does that have to do with anything? He didn't say anything about lynching at night.

But he did say:

I'm Cub. I'm apparantly so cute that if I'm lynched then there will be a nolynch the next day; basically, two night phases in a row.

My wrong hasty interpretation was: a day and two night in a row will passed without activity, while lynch only happens on day.

Yes, lynch does happen on Day, not Night. Which means that if there's an automatic nolynch the next day, it will be roughly the same as having two night phases in a row.

The fact is, he is saying the night will happen consecutively, ah yes, pardon me.

I still think you're scum though. But you successfully made me somewhat worried with your claim.

[JDodge]

I believe the correct answer is to test our beloved princess right here and right now while we still can.

Unvote, vote: Phate

[Phate]

Wonder how many of you are scum and how many are just stupid?

[JDodge]

Wonder how many of you are scum and how many are just stupid?

It's better to lynch you now when we can afford your claim being right than to lynch you later and risk it.

[competentpsycho]

competentpsycho, why aren't you voting someone?

I wasn't convinced that you were scum and wasn't very sure on others. I suspected Rigel and kuribo, but had no good case to vote them. I think Holy's case on Phate is complete bullshit. She has been pushing this shitty case that we have ripped apart.

vote: Holy

JD - care to explain why you are voting for Phate or are you going to stick with your playstyle

actually,

unvote

until I get an answer to something strange I just realized: Phate why did you claim when only 2 votes were on you almost a week before the deadline? It seems pointless.

[competentpsycho]

Wonder how many of you are scum and how many are just stupid?

It's better to lynch you now when we can afford your claim being right than to lynch you later and risk it.

guess I should have previewed before I posted. HOW DO YOU KNOW WE COULD AFFORD IT? If you are wrong, we lynch a townie and the mafia gets 2 kills, downing the count to 5 people.

[JDodge]

Wonder how many of you are scum and how many are just stupid?

It's better to lynch you now when we can afford your claim being right than to lynch you later and risk it.

guess I should have previewed before I posted. HOW DO YOU KNOW WE COULD AFFORD IT? If you are wrong, we lynch a townie and the mafia gets 2 kills, downing the count to 5 people.

because 4 mafia would be horrifically imbalanced for one

and for two we're at lylo if we lynch wrong anyways, and the correct move then would be to no-lynch to bring it down to 5, therefore it makes more sense to lynch phate now and just skip the no-lynch

[competentpsycho]

hmm... I guess I sorta see it. Phate, answer my question.

Phate why did you claim when only 2 votes were on you almost a week before the deadline? It seems pointless.

[pacone]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"][quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]

Phate (2): ZONEACE, Holy
ZONEACE (1): Phate
competentpsycho (1): JDodge
pacone (1): Rigel

Not Voting (3): pacone, kuribo, competentpsycho

[/quote]

Deadline: Thursday 22.00 GMT+1.[/quote]

Psst psst, Mr Mod

[quote="pacone"][quote="competentpsycho"]EBWOP - lack of NK could be from a doc in addition to a roleblocker. Or the mafia might be doing something sneaky (ie forgoing a NK to gain something)[/quote]
Ah well, nothing exciting then, I'm from the days where the only roles where mafia, citizen and cop

That said,

vote: Phate

[/quote]

[quote="JDodge"]I believe the correct answer is to test our beloved princess right here and right now while we still can.

Unvote, vote: Phate

[/quote]
Isn't it a bad thing to skip a chance to lynch scum? Why are you voting Phate then?

In fact,

unvote: Phate

, at least for now.

Want to know who I think is scummy?

Phate - because I think he exposed himself a bit too much when Sensfan was going to be lynched. While I am now wary about his role, the fact that he claimed this soon is still scummy.

Jdodge - because he always has the right words all the time. Makes me think he's got extra info, and that's always suspicious to me.

[competentpsycho]

Phate -

because I think he exposed himself a bit too much when Sensfan was going to be lynched

. While I am now wary about his role,

the fact that he claimed this soon is still scummy

.

Jdodge -

because he always has the right words all the time. Makes me think he's got extra info, and that's always suspicious to me.

Green = complete CRAPLOGIC that I have already countered multiple times.
blue = possible but not a new idea by any means, in fact it was mentioned by me in the post right before yours
red = bullshit. He barely talks at all. What do you mean here?

vote: pacone

Before I thought maybe you were busy, now you have posted but haven't contributed one bit this game.

[competentpsycho]

Actually now that I think about it, you are copying on Phate and making shit up on Jdodge. You say Phate is scummy but don't vote for him, in fact unvote him right after saying "Isn't it a bad thing to skip a chance to lynch scum?". I have more but I have to go. back later today probably.

[competentpsycho]

Ok back to finish - I was thinking the quoting the votes thing for the mod was weird but I see now the mod screwed up the last votecount for his vote, meaning Phate was at 3 votes (L-2) when he claimed, not 2 as I had previously thought. That makes Phate's claim a little less scummy, solidifying my belief that pacone is probably scum, since by this quoting votes thing pacone knows this (and the fact that it was his vote that was missed), yet still says Phate is scummy because of claiming early (copying off of my mistaken opinion for sure since he knows the facts that I missed and still says this). Also, JDodge's vote came after that votecount and so that wasn't a mistake on the part of the mod, pacone.

[JDodge]

damnit

I just realized that not lynching Phate is superior since even if the scum NKs him to get the extra NK, at least we'd get control over one death if we lynch someone else

Unvote, vote: Pacone

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Suddenly, a gaint wooden doll comes out of nowhere and kills Pop with a sharp knife! The doll repeatedly unleashes it's fury, while the remaining townies just happily smile at the scenery. After fifteen minutes, the doll is done and says "Chucky!" before it runs away again.

Pop (Rigel), town aligned Elite Bodyguard was shredded into pieces during Day 3

All votes are reset. New deadline is Sunday, 20.00 GMT+1.

[competentpsycho]

damnit

I just realized that not lynching Phate is superior since even if the scum NKs him to get the extra NK, at least we'd get control over one death if we lynch someone else

Unvote, vote: Pacone

That's why I was confused with your point.

And I can only assume that Rigel was killed by our SK, but why target Rigel. The SK has to survive to endgame to win and should be targetting scum at this point because they are a threat to him as much as us. There are much better targets than Rigel.

[competentpsycho]

Also, I just realized FTIP was poisoned - is that a normal vig kill method because that and this Rigel kill don't seem to be the same person. Just a little confusing.

[Phate]

I claimed because I didn't want a last minute claim to allow scum to lurk me to death, and I wanted to allow town a week to find a new lynch.

Vote: Pacone

[Rigel]

Seriously? Right when I was getting ready to post a big, important post?

Bah!

[Holy]

I viewed all the vote counts, just confusing me more than before.
Seriously, if the Mafia Spy not counted as mafia member, is that means with 7 players alive, the majority in the town now are mafia.

And Rigel's death, I don't think it was because an SK, I never saw an SK kill on Day.