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Post Post #1125 (ISO) » Tue Mar 04, 2008 3:55 pm

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Vote count


Pooky - Shafted
Erg0 - Adel, Volkan
Adel - Erg0

6 alive, 4 to fire.


Some of you have been given a single day-kill ability.

Be careful about using them...the case will not end until a lynch has occurred. As soon as there are three players left the game will end.
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Post Post #1126 (ISO) » Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:10 pm

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I have a daykill.
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Post Post #1127 (ISO) » Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:10 pm

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Holy shit Adel your poem sucked.
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Post Post #1128 (ISO) » Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:11 pm

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I'm not killing Erg0 with it because he asked nicely, but I call dibbs.
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Post Post #1129 (ISO) » Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:12 pm

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Albert B. Rampage wrote:Holy shit Adel your poem sucked.
I never claimed
poet
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Post Post #1130 (ISO) » Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:13 pm

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I also have a daykill. I'm also not going to use it yet. I'm fairly confident that Adel will be lynched if she kills me, so this looks like a MAD situation.
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Post Post #1131 (ISO) » Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:16 pm

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daykill: Erg0


that is how Dr. House would want it done. Nice and neat.

Give them a little window of hope there at the end, and then put them down.
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Post Post #1132 (ISO) » Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:18 pm

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Nice try.
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Post Post #1133 (ISO) » Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:20 pm

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feel free to cut 'n paste your case against me if you really are town. I expect to see your death scene any moment.
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Post Post #1134 (ISO) » Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:22 pm

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It's somewhat counter-intuitive for me to analyse somebody the way I think I need to analyse Adel. I'm normally much more "big picture" in my approach, but the deliberately strange patterns that she tends to adopt have forced me to look more at the fine details of her posts to find clues to her alignment. I feel that the key here is to filter out the deliberate strangeness and look at what's left. Deliberate strangeness is not indicative of alignment, purely because it's intended (at least partially) to create a certain impression.

Note that post numbers are from viewing Adel's posts in isolation.

On day 1, Adel was the second vote on armlx's lynch, apparently following ckd. She did push him a bit after she voted, but she never directly called for a hammer as she does on day 2 with TG. She also approved of the Beep! wagon for most of the day (see below).
On day 2 she pushes the TG wagon all the way to the bank, partially based on what I think is fallacious logic (again, see below).
On day 3 she started off being certain that shaft.ed was scum, switched to Near for very little reason and then unvoted altogether and apparently let the clock run out. I'm not sure whether the late vote was deliberate or accidental, but I don't see this as a tell for reasons I've already explained.

One thing that has characterised Adel's play in this game is failed theories:
- In her 6th and 9th posts (as background to her TG vote) she thinks that scum are more likely to have joined the first team (L-Unit) than the second. When I point out the flaw in this theory she semi-agrees in her 12th post but keeps her vote in place anyway. This all seems like poor cover for her early wagon thing, though I tend to think that she wasn't anticipating the stated reasoning being questioned since she missed it the first time I asked.
- She spent a lot of time talking about how scummy Jive around the time the teams were split (29, 31, 33). In 44 she's less sure, thinking he might be befuddled town, then in 46 she asks me for a meta read on him (possibly because I was in another game with him at the time). I don't believe she ever comments on my response that he seems different from the other game. In 48 she says again that she thinks Jive is town, but after Beep comes in and drops the hammer she implies in 54 that she doesn't believe his vote was accidental, then says in 55 that she wants to lynch him tomorrow. After I put the second vote on him, she says in 58 that she endorses my vote. By post 61 she's swung around, saying "If you want to identify scum look at Beep! Beep!'s wagon", then discredits her own case in 62 when I point out that she supported the wagon, but again doesn't move her vote. She eventually pushes TG's wagon all the way to lynch.
- In post 78 she advances the theory that armlx delayed his hammer to give his buddy some breathing room. Again I point out that this is incorrect and she goes for the ongoing game defence before eventually admitting that she didn't check her facts.
- Proposed lynch order in 114 results in town loss in traditional endgame (irrelevant here, but I don't think she knew that). Uses the "whatever" defence for this one.
- Case against me today has been one strawman or vague condemnation after another. She's using what I call the "stick and move" approach, throwing as much stuff as the she can think of at me and then dropping the points that I successfully refute (e.g. "easy target" comment in 118, false dilemma in 120, meaningless drivel in 123, poor attempt at a meta in 124, ignoring my response to craplogic from 127). You can't lose an argument if you refuse to engage the other person, I suppose. Her failure to follow up on post 124, where she asks "have you ever been this combative as town before?", is the biggest problem here. I deliberately replied without an example to see if she'd follow up, and she just let it drop. Someone who was interested in lynching the right player (as opposed to just lynching anyone) would have asked for an example there rather than just taking my word for it. This is exemplary of her entire case on me: she's making it up as she goes along, and shaping others' opinions through simple repetition rather than actual evidence.

Miscellanea:
- Adel says in 41 that she thinks that Pooky and I would be toughest to nail as scum. She later says in 84 that I'm "supposed to be a very strong player according to other players [she] respect
", the basis for which is later clarified as being BM's comments in the Scummies judging. This leads me to wonder what the basis for post 41 was, since it was made much earlier in the game, likely before BM would have made such a comment. I've played with Adel before, but if she hadn't arrived at a conclusion about my ability based on those games (apparently relying on BM's comments instead) then where did 41 come from? A comment like this out of the blue just raises my defences.
- In post 86, Adel tells a floundering Near to hammer TG. Less than 20 (game) posts later, Near does just that. Circumstantial, but notable.

There's a lot more in my head that I'm having trouble organising, but I thought I'd better post this much now in case I actually am dead.
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Post Post #1135 (ISO) » Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:24 pm

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Adel, if you got the same PM as me then we both know I'm not dead.
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Post Post #1136 (ISO) » Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:27 pm

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The princeton-plainsboro teaching hospital has become a breeding ground for neurotic psychos and serial killers. New doctors have armed themselves and senior doctors House and Foreman were forced to shut themselves in the Dean of Medicine's office, supervising the conflict from security surveillance devices. Shooters, believed to once have been part of the medical fellowship under doctor House, are running rampant across the hospital hallways. Not all are armed, but they are all dangerous and have resorted to murder to get this job. It is unknown at this time what sort of brainwashing program these doctors have been through, and we are unable to provide footage of the situation. Doctor Wilson once knew doctor House, and he will be joining us at this critical hour:


Reporter
: Doctor Wilson, could you tell us about your relationship with Doctor House ?

Wilson
: Yes of course. I met him at the hospital while I was the head of oncology. House was head of the diagnostics department. We w-

Reporter
: Breaking news! Gunshots have been fired. From the hospital cameras, it seems that no one was hurt. It looks like a war zone in there!

Wilson freaks out in front of the cameraman
: HOUSE IS NOT A BAD PERSON, HE IS N-

Newscast
:
It seems we are having technical problems at the scene. We now know that there are six doctors that are currently suspected of unloading firearms on the hospital premises. Just in, the police department has informed us that
the roles and backgrounds of the doctors will be revealed upon death
, as the coroner's on the ground are part of the police force that have surrounded the hospital. We will be returning after the break to cover this intense story.
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Post Post #1137 (ISO) » Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:32 pm

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Did everybody get a daykill?
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Post Post #1138 (ISO) » Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:33 pm

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do you want to try killing me now?

KILL: Erg0
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Post Post #1139 (ISO) » Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:34 pm

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KILL:
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now?
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Post Post #1140 (ISO) » Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:36 pm

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Newscast:
My God Diane, who is that running outside the hospital ??

*SHOTS are fired*

Reporter:
F*** **** -BLEEP- GET ME OUTTA HERE!!!

Newscast
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Agent Triter, could you tell us about the individual that just came running out of the hospital ?

[Agent Triter]
: Yes ma'm. The man you just saw running out is believed to be doctor Erg0. The FBI is on his case right now, but it is believed that he is nothing more than a Good Doctor that got caught in this mess when he maladroitly applied for a position under doctor House.

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: Thank you agent Triter. Medical teams are assisting doctor Erg0 as we speak and he is being escorted into the nearest ambulance. It appears he has been shot several times to the chest, and is in critical condition. We have sent backup journalists to maybe get an INTERVIEW with this doctor as soon as his status stabilizes. More on this after the break.

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Post Post #1141 (ISO) » Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:56 pm

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I'm just going to go with "bah".
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Post Post #1142 (ISO) » Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:59 pm

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Who's Next ?


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Post Post #1143 (ISO) » Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:09 pm

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I have a daykill.

I am not going to use it just yet.

Our setup is now 4:1.

We can only fail twice. NOBODY ELSE is to shoot. Each person who has a daykill please claim so.

Will reread before doing anything
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Post Post #1144 (ISO) » Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:17 pm

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I got a daykill

can we just kill everyone other than vollkan and win?
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Post Post #1145 (ISO) » Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:18 pm

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If a single scumbag makes it to the last three, town loses.

So, randomly firing is not a good idea
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Post Post #1146 (ISO) » Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:19 pm

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oh yea i forgot bout that rule
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Post Post #1147 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:30 am

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wow, I have a day kill, too..so I can only assume that shafted does to...so much power..

I dont think we should use them and lynch in our normal way...I am sure it has been said again, but reminder...if a bad doctor gets to the final three we lose. I do however, feel that Ergo might be our last scum. My vote would be there now (again) if I wasnt for pooky...havent had time to really give this a good reread...hopefully will be doing it in the next couple of days.
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Post Post #1148 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:28 am

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CKD wrote: I do however, feel that Ergo might be our last scum
Reading is tech.
Albert wrote: Erg0,
Good Doctor
, shot during the 4th case.
Want to reconsider that statement?
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Post Post #1149 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:31 am

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would it be wise to just skip the rest of the daykilling in order to get on to the next day?

bad guy with daykill can daykill for win if there are 4 people left.

However if we lynch when there are 5 and agree not to daykill, then bad guy has no daykill oppurtunity since daykilling shows him/her to be bad guy?

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