Mini 546: House Mafia - Game Over

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Would you choose to lynch yourself if it would gurantee I would be lynched next?

[Adel]

uh, no. I'm not too confident in shaft.ed being a good doctor.

[shaft.ed]

Would you choose to lynch yourself if it would gurantee I would be lynched next?

What kind of question is that?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I wanted to see the degree of her certainty as to my scumminess

as well as some other things.

[shaft.ed]

OK anyone have any idea when the deadline gets here? For some reason discussion died after the daykill. I've been up all night so I'm a little incoherent right now. Still haven't finished CKD reread. But I don't think he'll be moving into lynch territory for me. I'm Ok with an Adel or Pooky lynch, favoring Adel.

Anyone want to comment, or compare candidates reasons etc?

[Albert B. Rampage]

kill kill kill murder murder murder

[curiouskarmadog]

i havent had time to read armix yet (the compare with Near)...other games are heating up that require more of my attention..I will hopefully gather some thoughts on this soon.

[Adel]

@ Pooky, I think it would be in everyone's best interest if you choose between me and shaft.ed before CKD and vollkan weigh in.

[shaft.ed]

@ Pooky, I think it would be in everyone's best interest if you choose between me and shaft.ed before CKD and vollkan weigh in.

I agree with this assessment. I would very much like to see pooky develop and share some thoughts on who is scum. His low profile is troubling me.

[Adel]

shaft.ed's agreement with my assessment agrees with me.

[shaft.ed]

shaft.ed's agreement with my assessment agrees with me.

Adel's agreement with my agreement with...God I gotta stop procrastinating.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Deadline, oh mighty deadline
My lifeline, show me a sign
Oh mighty deadline
Where are your graces, your kindness, your shine

[Albert B. Rampage]

Karma/Volkan/Annoying Doctor: But we're posting!

Dr House does not impose deadlines because there is a lack of posting. He has things to do, after all. Internet porn does not download itself.

[curiouskarmadog]

ok had a game that needed my attention more than this one..will address this thread in the next 24 hours.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'd rather lynch adel that shafted.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Question to the Mod:

One of the frontpage rules says:

4) The bad doctors cannot kill you. This is the Princeton-Plainsboro Teaching Hospital, not the Hezbollah recruitment office.

Does this mean that scumbags can't use or receive daykills?

[Adel]

I'd rather lynch adel that shafted.

damn.

that means
Adel --wants to lynch--> Pooky
Pooky --wants to lynch--> Adel
shaft.ed --wants to lynch--> Adel

so if even just one out of vollkan and ckd wants to lynch me I'm a goner.

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@ckd and vollkan: what can I say? If you want one game in my defense, check out http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... start=1400 where the town had to choose between mos-scum and me, and then had to choose between adele-scum and me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Question to the Mod:

One of the frontpage rules says:

4) The bad doctors cannot kill you. This is the Princeton-Plainsboro Teaching Hospital, not the Hezbollah recruitment office.

Does this mean that scumbags can't use or receive daykills?

The context of that rule is that the bad doctors do not start with a special ability that the good doctors don't have.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

could you specify as to the relevance of that defense?

Frankly speaking, showing us a game where a town had to choose between lynching you when you are innocent and lynching a scumbag isn't a very good indicator of your alignment in this game.

[vollkan]

Analysis of each player to Near is forthcoming.

Something else that really concerns me:

Say X is town and at L-1 and scum is not on the wagon at that point. There is nothing stopping scum from using a daykill and then winning.

How I propose to deal with this is as follows:

Let's say the players are as follows:

A
B
C
D
Vollkan

3 to lynch.

I think B is scum. Thus, I will order C and D (eg) to vote B. That lets me hammer. Basically, what I am saying, is that I MUST be the hammerer.

AND NOBODY IS TO PUT AT L-1 WITHOUT MY PERMISSION

[shaft.ed]

Agree with vollkan, other viable option is to have Adel hammer since she's spent her daykill.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Votes are reset after a day-kill.

[vollkan]

Agree with vollkan, other viable option is to have Adel hammer since she's spent her daykill.

Brilliant!

I forgot that, and it makes things much easier if Adel is not the lynchee. All I need to do then is ensure that Adel is the only party other than myself who isn't on the wagon.

[shaft.ed]

Um vollkan...

Votes are reset after a day-kill.

[curiouskarmadog]

Don’t know if this means anything but I am posting it...this is incomplete, more coming.

L-unit:

Pooky
Dean (SCUM)
Erg0 (TOWN)
Armlx (SCUM)
TrustGossip (TOWN)

NLU:

Volkan
Karma
Shafted
Adel
Jive (TOWN)

Pooky starts the L-UNIT with his “we” comment. Dean immediately joins Pooky and armix’s first post he joins Pooky’s team. At this point me have no clue what the teams will do.

First votes from Armix is on Ergo, Dean votes TG.

Armix spends most of page two joking around.

Armix starts his bullshit attack on me post 119. Adel follows 121.

Armix adds this.

I'm about 80% sure on Adel & Shaft. 20% on Volkan. 60% Pooky. 40% Karmadog.

I post this.

I understand Arm's, perspective and vote but....

Actually, Trust, I'm fairly sure non-commitment is the most scummy thing you can do.

However, my sick reads tell me you aren't scum. Neither is Ergo.

Unvote

Guess I'll do this

Vote curiouskarmadog

Smacking Pooky too hard for the wrong reasons. Could be double scum tell (makes valid arguement vs other scum that isn't enough to get him lynched, good set up for both), rather lynch him and find out.

I like those reason -- much better than my current ones.

unvote, vote:curiouskarmadog

ummm???

non random vote: pooky

, I think it was a slip up

qft

non random vote: pooky

doesnt that seem a little hypocritical to you? Now why would Adel jump on a bandwagon given that reason, when she did the same thing? I know Adel can think for herself....guess we have found something scummier than the "we"

unvote, vote Adel

Dean unvotes post 126.

Those percents were how sure I was they were scum. A lot of it was just instinct, with some logic.

ergo has been all for advancing discussion, which is very pro-town.

TG being clear to me falls more under the instinct side based on his posts.

Pooky is being semi-disruptive and snipy, though that's just who he is if I remember. Still suspicious as it seems a little different from exactly how I remember, hence the 60%.

Others later.

Armix throws light suspicion on Pooky, says Ergo is protown.

Page 8 brings a Jive wagon.

Adel 152
Pooky 153
Armix 155

I note the armix/adel voting partnership in 157, also in the reread, I note Adel’s voting pattern with armix stops.

Current %ages.

Shaft: 80%
Jive: 60%
Pooky: 40%
Adel: 40%
Karmadog: 40% (if Pooky is scum, number increases)
Dean Harper: 20%
Volkan: 20%
TG & Ergo: 0%

The some of the formerly scummy (Adel and Pooky namely) moved down as we have real lynch targets to go after now. List is mostly in order of scumminess for the people I actually find scummy.

He puts his partner at 20%, puts TG and Ergo (both town) at 0 and Jive at 60…don’t know what could be learned from this.

Post 234, ABR makes each team vote one of opposing team.

Adel starts with a vote on Jive (on her team) then votes armix.

Armix shares his thoughts.

With Adele jumping in early on such a low threshold as well as following all my votes and the TG votes early is really suspicious. It seems at though he is trying to be on every wagon he can be with enough logic to support it that it seems like he is lying low. I still think Jive Machine's one post about being alive helping everyone more is a massive scum tell, and that Adel has shown enough semi-insight as to leave alive past D1, but he is rising back to rival shafted on my list.

Dean lurks out.

Armix continues to push a crap case against me.

Next bit (326) edited and keeping stuff that references alive players...or dead scum

Shaft.ed is less scummy now that I look at his posts separately from everyone elses. They just seems awkwardly placed earlier, which could just be a avaliability time issue.

I stick by my early read on volkan being town for the same reasons. For I second I thought maybe he was distancing from Pooky, but then when I went back to check for lynch rules in the first posts I realized it didnt explicitly say anywhere the bad docs could converse outside the thread.

CKD's reaction to one vote was was out of proportion.

Adel keeps changing up styles, which is pro-town if I remember old games involving Fritzler and sometimes Pooky, but the wagon trailing i noticed early is kinda sketchy. Third highest scum on list behind CKD and Jive (not sure on those order).

LU:

Pooky I'ld want to wait 1-2 more days before passing definite judgment. Seems productive but aggressive.

Dean needs to post. What I said about Jive applies here, though Dean hasn't done as much sniping from his lurker hole.

I'm holding my vote until absolutely necessary so we can get more discussion, but if I had to vote right now I'ld say TJM, but with more discussion I'm fairly sure CKD can move on up the list. As for LU, I obviously can't comment on me, but among the others I'ld rather vote Ergo or Dean than random deadline lynch.

Other thoughts

Volkan I'm saying is town for now, but that simply means he is not a good lynch at all today. Things may change with more discussion, but he has passed the D1 test.

CKD I'm really not liking. I know I'm guilty of this a lot, but it feels like his votes/aggression have just been thrown at wherever the wind is blowing, without any sense of trying to progress discussion with these actions (sometimes its ok to do this, but his seem so awkwardly timed for that purpose). And his over reaction to TG's vote is a massive problem for me (again).

Pooky is being Pooky (from what I remember), which passes the D1 test for me.

Adel I don't know what to think. Like I said, changing play styles infi was a pro-town tell, but my sample size of BJ and Fritz is very biased. Some of the things he does in the name of "prompting discussion" are very sketchy. Like I said, there's a fine line between scummy enough to push discussion and scummy enough to push lynching and Adel has been very close to crossing the line.

Also, before any of the lurkers post, I would like 1 of Adel/CKD to remove their vote from me so we don't have someone coming in and messing up a perfectly good discussion.

Much of the same, last sentences seems odd....at this point in the game, Armix had to know that I wouldnt removed me vote off him.

MAN, I just reread this post that I have missed before.

I still think that both scum are in team LU.

This could have been a slip. At first I thought it was just a mess up, but maybe it really was a slip or adel trying to look town or ignorant. Why would you post this at this point in the game (Page 15 post 369)…it had nothing to do with the conversation at hand at the time. Or it could have been a slip, she being the third member, knows there are only 2 members left after her. “Both” could have been the other too….


Ok I NEED to go..but coming back…thoughts thus far? I know there is not really a case here yet, mostly thoughts and posts I found interested or possibly useful, but I wanted to let you know I was working on it.