Mafia 75: Return of the Mafia! TOWN WINS (really late)

[Battle Mage]

im being bandwagoned for voting lloyd when 5 other people were, how am i suppose to defend myself when thats the only reason im being bw? why dont any of u ask bm why hes tellin u to vote me.. this is getting rediculas

there are plenty of other people no doing shit in this game but im being targeted

..

can some of you ask me questions or something

i have 6 games going so bare with me.

Bolded mine. This is the attitude of yours that makes me think you are scum. Your vote on Lloyd was opportunistic, and the rest of your posts have all been highly dubious. Its like you arent actually hunting scum. This is supported by the bit in Italics (also mine). Its a naturally defensive stance. He isnt going to scumhunt-he thinks his sole purpose is to defend himself, and avoid lynch.

AKA scum.

with reference to the meta stuff, i can vouch for Rosso's odd playstyle, but the good news is, as scum, he is incredibly obvious and we should be able to nail him pretty easily within the next day or 2, if he is.
Killa on the other hand, is either scum, or town who simply doesnt understand the most basic concepts of the game. Frankly, im not buying the excuse.

BM

[WhoMe?]

looking back at killa seven, this immediately rang bells for me.

alright, issue solved.

the next person who talks about the cult recruiter as if its going to help the town to do so is going to be personally murdered.

so your basically saying your either scum or a sk? and you can kill someone..

vote rosso carne

It seemed pretty obvious to me that Rosso was just spoutin goff, and meant personally murder as in come round your house. Killa's seizing on this as some kind of scum/vig admission seems a little off.

unvote, vote killa

[skitzer]

I'm going to keep my vote on tlp for now, but I think he may be replaced soon. (?)

[Antithesis]

I dunno. If I was scum I'd certainly try to avoid doing anything zany on the way to a deadline. Not saying Killa can be reformed into someone more productive... if that is his history, there are arguments out there about eliminating distractions early, regardless of their allignment.

I just can't help but think that his actions might be a tad too convenient to be real scum. Then again, maybe he's counting on people to believe that.

[armlx]

Those 2 comments have always been my thoughts one dealing with Rosso/BabyJ/etc. style people. They are a default lynch if everyone is equally scummy, but that rearely happens and you only lynch them when they give off an obvious read.

[Khelvaster]

Ok, not that everyone has the same opinion, but I'm really getting tired of people hiding behind the Meta. How people play the game takes a conscious effort. Therefore its not all too difficult to change the way you play. There's no possible way you can disregard Scumminess on the wisdom that "This is just how they play." So What? If thats how they play, lynch them every game. Scumminess should not and can not be ignored because thats just how they play. If they're lynched for playing like that, lesson learned. If not, we come to this situation where they could act as Scummy as they want and people will DEFEND them. Meta is NO excuse not to lynch. For all of you who believe Meta is equivalent to the Bible of Mafia, you're only making it harder for the Town to win. So please, lose the Meta idea that seven and Rosso, or any other player for that matter, are untouchable, it should not be considered at all in this lynch. And, back to my comment that play style can change: If they play as Town and act a certain way, whats stopping them from acting that same way as Scum with the knowledge that people will see this and say "Hey, they must be Town again." The only the holding them back is their own intelligence, and to insult that would be condescending. In other words, they ain't dumb, don't treat them as such.

And armlx, what about those two comments makes them "Good posting?" Do you have nothing of your own to add?

Wow...this is the most manipulative post I've seen. Ever. You are trying to convince us that, in this game, it's best to lynch someone who we believe is town so that in other games those people will act better. I don't buy it. You're chasing a quicklynch.

Vote: Imat

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

ugh, let's lynch killa then

Unvote Vote: Killah Seven

[Battle Mage]

Vote: killa

Yeah, I'll join the wagon. Let's see if we can get a worth-while claim out of this.

what sort of claim would be 'worth-while' in your opinion Peers?

BM

still waiting on a response to this.

BM

[Tlp]

Mod : If you have a replacement for me. please contact one.

Is better for the game because I'm just not in to such a big game.
Srry for the inactivity.

[Rosso Carne]

Those 2 comments have always been my thoughts one dealing with Rosso/BabyJ/etc. style people. They are a default lynch if everyone is equally scummy, but that rearely happens and you only lynch them when they give off an obvious read.

im so not like bj.

[VanDamien]

because that's just my style, i don't vote early.

thenextepisode, beside playstyle, any other reasons why you don't vote early?

because on day 1, i feel like there are never any legitimate reasons to vote.

Bullshit, liar.

unvote
vote: thenextepisode

[armlx]

Those 2 comments have always been my thoughts one dealing with Rosso/BabyJ/etc. style people. They are a default lynch if everyone is equally scummy, but that rearely happens and you only lynch them when they give off an obvious read.

im so not like bj.

I guess you are correct in that no one can compare to him. Your humility is astounding.

[killa seven]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]ugh, let's lynch killa then

Unvote Vote: Killah Seven

[/quote]
wtf does no one explain votes now.

[Matt_S]

Ok, not that everyone has the same opinion, but I'm really getting tired of people hiding behind the Meta. How people play the game takes a conscious effort. Therefore its not all too difficult to change the way you play. There's no possible way you can disregard Scumminess on the wisdom that "This is just how they play." So What? If thats how they play, lynch them every game. Scumminess should not and can not be ignored because thats just how they play. If they're lynched for playing like that, lesson learned. If not, we come to this situation where they could act as Scummy as they want and people will DEFEND them. Meta is NO excuse not to lynch. For all of you who believe Meta is equivalent to the Bible of Mafia, you're only making it harder for the Town to win. So please, lose the Meta idea that seven and Rosso, or any other player for that matter, are untouchable, it should not be considered at all in this lynch. And, back to my comment that play style can change: If they play as Town and act a certain way, whats stopping them from acting that same way as Scum with the knowledge that people will see this and say "Hey, they must be Town again." The only the holding them back is their own intelligence, and to insult that would be condescending. In other words, they ain't dumb, don't treat them as such.

And armlx, what about those two comments makes them "Good posting?" Do you have nothing of your own to add?

Wow...this is the most manipulative post I've seen. Ever. You are trying to convince us that, in this game, it's best to lynch someone who we believe is town so that in other games those people will act better. I don't buy it. You're chasing a quicklynch.

Vote: Imat

I agree with Imat to an extent. It's bad to let someone scummy go just because they are always scummy. Of course, they don't have to be lynched Day 1, but I can't fathom allowing Rosso Carne and killa seven to make it to the end game.

[Imat]

Ok, Khel, to answer to your post:

First, it does make sense that lynching them for Scummy behavior would end it. You wouldn't act in a way that gets you lynched without fail. If they're Town, they'll be better players in the future. Not saying thats a great outcome now, but perhaps in a future game you'll thank people who didn't pay attention to Meta. If they're Scum, they'll be better on both sides as well. This is what I'm hoping for, but not necessarily what'll happen.

Second, how do you know they're Town? Doesn't it make sense that if everybody expected you to act Scummy and so passed you off as Town, you'd continue to act Scummy as Scum? What I meant with my post was that we Can't judge their alignment based solely upon Meta. In fact, I meant that Meta shouldn't affect it at all. We should look at how they act, regardless of Meta, and put pressure on them to play less Scummy if they are Town or lynch them if they are Scum. I explained that play style can be changed as easily as it is created, if not more easily, so we can't form any arguments based on Meta. Every single argument based on Meta is inherently flawed. That is what I was trying to get at, and I think I succeeded. If you still have confusion, I'll try and explain specific parts.

Also, why I think killa IS Scum: He doesn't hunt at all. He makes a one sentence post every few days and gets away with it. Nowhere in these posts does he explain the votes he has given or provide evidence against another player. When questioned about this, he retreats into a "Any questions for me?" stance and refuses to comment on others tells. Strong Scum evidence.

Why others think he is Town: Because he's acting Scummy, he must be Town. Its how he plays.

Which one is more convincing?

[armlx]

Imat: If they always look scummy, they will always be the lynch target, therefore a lynch on them will be essentially random at least until they screw up at some point or w/e.

[Battle Mage]

having been on the recieving end of this fallacy, i agree with Armlx on this issue.

[Imat]

But, if you get lynched enough for a certain behavior, won't you say to yourself, "Self? Should I maybe change my play style to be less Scummy?" I'm operating on the assumption that people can and will learn from their mistakes. If you get lynched for Scumminess enough, you won't act Scummy anymore. Its a learning process.

Besides, if they aren't lynched for Scumminess, they have the best cover for acting Scummy ever.

I'm not saying this doesn't have its drawbacks, but its certainly not a bad plan for learning up the players.

[Battle Mage]

this is shitelogic. You are making the assumption that people play intentionally scummy in the first place, and are thus easily able to change. If peoples natural play is viewed as scummy, it shouldnt be them who have to adapt, rather it is their fellow players who should learn to get a perspective on things. And tbh, if you come into games i play with some long term policy lynch strategy that will probably lose me a good few games, in the hope that one day, it might change something about that player, then you go on my official 'Evil' List. You cant lynch someone on the grounds that you cant read them and they COULD be scum, but you actually have no clue either way! -.-

BM

[Matt_S]

@Anyone with a killa seven meta: What does he act like when he is scum? Is it any different, or is a killa seven lynch basically always random?

[armlx]

Imat: People who play like that won't change because they keep getting lynched. Games will merely be lost until they decide to change themselves.

BM: Actually it is fine to lynch the standardly scummy person over other people for that reason in the case no one else is scummy. So, basically, never. Once maybe every infinity games will it be correct.

[curiouskarmadog]

speaking of not scum hunting, I am still waiting for Nem, to address my questions.


of course, it should be noted that he hasnt posted anywhere on site in the past 6 days.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

[quote="killa seven"][quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]ugh, let's lynch killa then

Unvote Vote: Killah Seven

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wtf does no one explain votes now.[/quote]We have a deadline. I don't need reasons.

[armlx]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"][quote="killa seven"][quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]ugh, let's lynch killa then

Unvote Vote: Killah Seven

[/quote]
wtf does no one explain votes now.[/quote]We have a deadline. I don't need reasons.[/quote]

/facepalm.

Reasons are needed, just less of them.

[killa seven]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"][quote="killa seven"][quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]ugh, let's lynch killa then

Unvote Vote: Killah Seven

[/quote]
wtf does no one explain votes now.[/quote]We have a deadline. I don't need reasons.[/quote]
and i got bw for my vote on lloyd.. the nerve of this guy. ima go back and see what you have done at all in this game.