Mini 546: House Mafia - Game Over

[shaft.ed]

Well what did you expect me to do, just say that I was tossing suspicion onto Shafted to try to see what Armlx would do?

Why have you always phrased this specifically as what

armlx

would do, and not what scum would do?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

because he had been riding my coattails up till that point.

Because at that point I did not know who the scum were, so I couldn't just do things to seee what scum would do, I would do things to see what specific people would do.

[vollkan]

19: Taunts TJM towards voting her.
20: Expects a twist
21: Votes TJM "for the scummy behavior of keeping a low profile and only popping in long enough to try to add some fuel to the hottest fire."
22: Calls bullshit on shaft.ed saying she plays like this often

This is interesting, because Adel is renowned for being a shit-stirrer. Thus, I don't follow how she just effectively accuses shaft.ed of lying

23: She distinguishes Discordian Algorithm and shaft.ed's one-game meta read.

Again, Adel ought to know how her play is perceived. Her aggression her against shaft.ed is odd.

24: nothing
25: Follows armlx to vote shaft.ed
26: nothing
27: Unvotes shafted after 183
28: nothing
29: Wonders why TJM is hesitant to vote
30: nothing
31: Is "astonished" TJM is still alive.
32: Nothing
33: votes TJM
34: Votes armlx - no explanation provided
35: Justifies this on the basis of following CKD - CKD is astute as town and may be distancing

Very interesting here. I wouldn't put it past Adel to bus on D1 Note also that she already raises the spectre of CKD distancing - pre-emption.

36: nothing
37: nothing
38: nothing
39: Rejects armlx's play of acting scummy

Odd that she of all people would be so quick to call bullshit on a claim of intentionally chaotic play

40: nothing
41: Thinks Erg0 and Pooky will be most difficult to nail as scum
42: nothing
43: Accepts TG probably missed the killing thing
44: Is worried about TJM being defenseless townie but is certain armlx is not

I smell an "I told you so"

45: After I attacked Dean, Adel tells me to meta him and get back. This causes me to withdraw my charges.
46: Asks Erg0 for a meta on TJM
47: Asks why Erg0 is active outside of this thread
48: Now cajoles me over my treatment of TJM, and makes the point of saying I am scummier than Pooky

First off, it's interesting how Adel slides away from TJM and then turns on me for attacking him just as she herself did. Moreover, the reference to Pooky (which are irrelevant...I mean, why pooky and not shafted?) is peculiar

49: Votes armlx. Previous was missed
50: Supports abandon
51: Asks to lynch armlx
52: Interesting quote:

I still think that

both

scum are in team LU.

Both = 2
No. of scum alive at that point = 3

A slip...from Adel?!?

53: Is gathering info and will present findings

These never surfaced

54: Shows Beep's apparent lying over the hammer
55: Calls for Beep's lynch
56: Doesn't buy it was mistake
57: nothing
58: Endorses Beep's lynch
59: nothing
60: nothing
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Again next set coming very soon. Respond as appropriate now, if you please.

[Adel]

looks pretty accurate to me.

[shaft.ed]

looks pretty accurate to me.

And pretty scummy

[Adel]

that sounds pretty accurate as well.

[shaft.ed]

OK Adel. You've stated earlier that you weren't supposed to live this long. However, your reason for killing Erg0 was effectively self defense. It seems that Erg0 killing you would have gotten what you wanted, his death, if you felt he was scum at the time. Care to clear up the contradiction?

[Adel]

OK Adel. You've stated earlier that you weren't supposed to live this long. However, your reason for killing Erg0 was effectively self defense. It seems that Erg0 killing you would have gotten what you wanted, his death, if you felt he was scum at the time. Care to clear up the contradiction?

I shot without thinking it through. I knew i had one shot, and I thought Erg0 was scum, he said that he had a daykill, so I quickly killed him.

Scum with daykill = bad. Dead scum with unused day kill = good. That is what was present in my mind. I should've faked it.

[shaft.ed]

Allright, vollkan's summary of Adel's early play is worse than I remember. Going off of her late actions which I found scummier than her early game play, I don't think I could possibly vote pooky in this situation. I'm going to be incredibly pissed if pooky pulls this off as I've been finding him slightly scummy all game and he's lurked through about half of it, but I'll be equally upset if I let Adel get away with this flagrant scumminess.

I'm pretty much ready to vote for Adel, but will wait until the conclusion of vollkan's analysis.

[Adel]

this will teach me to not be active and involved.. better to lurk then try erratic behavior in hope of getting things stirred up and scum exposed.

"39: Rejects armlx's play of acting scummy

Odd that she of all people would be so quick to call bullshit on a claim of intentionally chaotic play

"
probably because I am familiar with it I can tell if it is sincere or not. Notice how armix really lost wind after I called ullshit. Even though ckd beat me to the armix wagon I felt his lynch was my success.

[shaft.ed]

this will teach me to not be active and involved.. better to lurk then try erratic behavior in hope of getting things stirred up and scum exposed.

"39: Rejects armlx's play of acting scummy

Odd that she of all people would be so quick to call bullshit on a claim of intentionally chaotic play

"
probably because I am familiar with it I can tell if it is sincere or not. Notice how armix really lost wind after I called ullshit. Even though ckd beat me to the armix wagon I felt his lynch was my success.

I've got to agree with Adel on this point. armlx was not being intentionally chaotic during the early phase. He was just playing poorly. I felt his claim that he was intentionally using an Adel-like strategy of "stirring the pot" was a decent scumtell since it seemed pretty fabricated to me.

[Adel]

did you catch on before or after I pointed it out?

[shaft.ed]

I mentioned this during the armlx wagon prior to Beep's vote if I recall correctly.

[Adel]

I meant before I pointed it out during day 1...

[shaft.ed]

From my memory of the events, this was going on during my trip so I wasn't in thread. When I was reading it, I felt that armlx was BS'ing but I'm pretty sure I was not the person to point it out. I'll check the log and get back to you.

[shaft.ed]

OK armlx first posts:

Early game, where I was probably the scummiest, I was just experimenting with some different things to pass the "random" voting stage. Namely acting as scummy as possible without ensuring my lynch. The goal was to set up a scenario where I drew the most reaction and therefore most information possible.

Then you post:

so how where those actions of yours

Early game, where I was probably the scummiest, I was just experimenting with some different things to pass the "random" voting stage. Namely acting as scummy as possible without ensuring my lynch.

doesn't compute.

This all happened while I was away from the thread. My next post in thread contains:

armlx is looking scummy pretending to mimic Adel's strategy when he really didn't.

Also had this exchange with armlx on the topic:

I guess I was just a little more cautious with the tactic than Adel, which fuels my growing case against him as it seems anyone with pro-town intents doing that would be more careful not to cross the line.

Funny, I think I would argue the exact opposite. Hmmm...

[Adel]

at this point I don't have a case on Pooky. I just don't. I can string one together with bullshit, but as I see it the choice for y'all is between me being me and Pooky keeping a low profile.
Our daykills pretty much balance each other out.
My lynch of armix doesn't count for squat due to the high likelihood of me bussing a scumpartner.

The only thing I feel I can point to in my defense is that I just don't play this way when I am scum...

except that Pooky can point to the game where she replaced me where I played so shitty and was so poorly coordinated with my partners that when the mod offered out of the blue to replace me I gladly accepted.

So, am I competent scum playing in a way I haven't successfully played before, or am I incompetent scum who played in a scummy way all game? Or am I town playing in a manner that I have successfully played as town in recent games?

[shaft.ed]

The only thing I feel I can point to in my defense is that I just don't play this way when I am scum...

If you can give me a link to a representative game or two as scum I'll give it a read. I do find it odd that you would propose to have two clearly discernable play styles as town and scum.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Except our daykills don't cancel each other out because the circumstances under which they were made were incredibly different.

Shafted, do you have a daykill? I forget if you answered that already.

[shaft.ed]

Yes I did and do.

[Adel]

The only thing I feel I can point to in my defense is that I just don't play this way when I am scum...

If you can give me a link to a representative game or two as scum I'll give it a read. I do find it odd that you would propose to have two clearly discernable play styles as town and scum.

nobody is ever going to lynch me for being "too townie" when I am scum. After sacrificing myself in mini 458 to keep MoS from getting the doctor's protection, I haven't been lynched as scum. All of my games on on my wiki page, except for the lost boys which just hasn't made it on yet.
It is often in my interest to draw a lynch or NK when I am town aligned. My play as town is pretty consistent, and my play as scum is pretty consistent.

[shaft.ed]

Well then by your own ommission you surviving this far into the game indicates you are more likely to be scum.

[Adel]

I think I've survived the same number of times as town and scum, actually.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

If we get to the point where either me or Adel is to be killed.

I would like it to be by Shafted Daykill rather than a lynch.

[vollkan]

I also have a daykill.

Adel continued

61: Votes TG for suggesting bussing on the armlx wagon. She then tries to shift focus to Beep's wagon

I don't like this. TG's reasons for suspecting bussing were decent and Adel reacts by attacking him for this; in fact by voting him. What TG did was not scummy; especially to the point of warranting a vote.

62: Attacking her is a scumtell apparently
63: nothing
64: nothing
65: nothing
66: nothing
67: Will only support herself or CKD for leader because they lynched scum

And that makes someone automatically town, right?

68: nothing
69: nothing
70: supports CKD
71: Votes TG and calls for a lynch
72: suggests shaft.ed and TG as scum
73: nothing
74: nothing
75: Accuses shafted of bussing TG
76: Calls for votes
77: Voll is town. CKD is town. Pooky "probably" is. TG is "getting better" and shaft.ed is acting dense.

Reasons?

78-79: Pulls heat onto Erg0 and TG for their role in the Beep lynch
80: nothing
81: Puts up TG, shaft.ed, Erg0 and N as the potential scum
82: nothing
83: nothing
84: Calls to lynch TG asap. Doesn't want to lynch N, since N is a newbie. Like's "reading" shaft.ed's posts

That's a reason not to lynch?

Wants to see what Erg0 will add

Again, that isn't an alignment-dependent thing

85: nothing
86: Asks N to hammer TG
87: nothing
88: nothing
89: nothing
90: nothing
91: nothing
92: nothing
93: votes shafted No explanation given.
94: nothing
95: nothing
96: unvotes
97: votes shaft.ed after the N deadline comes into effect
98: nothing
99: nothing
100: votes N
101-103: nothing
104: Votes Erg0. No explanation
105-111: nothing
112: Votes shaft.ed, Is willing to vote Erg0. Can be talked into voting Pooky.

In short, she is willing to bend whichever way I swing

113: nothing
114: Got shaft.ed and Erg0 mixed up. Votes Erg0

No explanation

115: thinks she is scummier than CKD objectively

Was this an effort to suck up to CKD?

116: nothing
117: nothing
118: Is sold on Erg0

Reasons?

119: Thinks lynching Pooky is a gamble
120: Wants the town to choose bw Erg0 and herself
121: is still sold
{henceforth, "nothing" posts just won't be written}
123: Says Erg0's rhetoric is another good reason to vote him

Only reason you've given thus far

135: Kills Erg0
136: Votes Pooky, to end day quickly

Whoa! What happened to shafted being scum?

145: Says she won't respond to Erg0's inditement, but will respond if we point out important stuff
147: Stresses all scum would want to be on the same team

It REALLY is not this obvious

154: Solid on Pooky being scum
165: Doesn't think a reread is necessary due to Pooky's actions

Come on Adel. I KNOW you are more nuanced than that. The reasons Pooky gave for town daykilling wo

168: Used the wrong playstyle

FWIW, I am remaining completely skeptical of this

176: Just doesn't play like this as scum

Adel, your play is so varying that I find you totally impossible to get any consistent read on. It isn't past you to shuffle your playstyles at will. I cannot accept that you don't "play like this" as scum when you always use different styles. The problem with you having a lot of masks is that I can't work out what you actually look like.

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Suffice to say, Adel stands out to me more than Pooky. She's been shifting her suspicions all over the place, with very little accompanying reasoning. The shaft.ed attacks were dropped by her. That's important - if she sincerely suspected shaft.ed she would have argued against me and tried to show why. Instead, she avoided conflict and took the easy option. She is sitting at about

75%

for me. I will give her the chance to respond, obviously - if there is anything extra to say.