Mafia 75: Return of the Mafia! TOWN WINS (really late)

[Toaster Strudel]

A Night 0 kill of a random player?

Sounds like a serial killer to me, not a vig.

Vigs don't shoot Night 0. Serial Killers do. Mafia do. But not vigs.

vote: killa seven

[farside22]

You also got counter claimed Killa. You first.

Also, please don't directly quote what it says. Since I have come back there have been 2 mod kills for that in games I have been in.

Do you believe Killa? I asked him first about giving flavor text and I don't see him able to do it. Also shotgut versus throat slash. Yeah who do you believe as a vig?

[DrippingGoofball]

Oh yeah, and vigs don't slit throats.

If killa turns up mafia rather than SK, armlx is going to be his buddy.

But killa seven smells like SK, very badly.

[Toaster Strudel]

I so totally agree with this statement:

Oh yeah, and vigs don't slit throats.

If killa turns up mafia rather than SK, armlx is going to be his buddy.

But killa seven smells like SK, very badly.

[Antithesis]

Looks like there is a lynch party goin on right here.

[armlx]

You also got counter claimed Killa. You first.

Also, please don't directly quote what it says. Since I have come back there have been 2 mod kills for that in games I have been in.

Do you believe Killa? I asked him first about giving flavor text and I don't see him able to do it. Also shotgut versus throat slash. Yeah who do you believe as a vig?

?

What in my post makes you think I believe killa? I said he should claim flavor first as he got counter claimed.

[farside22]

You also got counter claimed Killa. You first.

Also, please don't directly quote what it says. Since I have come back there have been 2 mod kills for that in games I have been in.

Do you believe Killa? I asked him first about giving flavor text and I don't see him able to do it. Also shotgut versus throat slash. Yeah who do you believe as a vig?

?

What in my post makes you think I believe killa? I said he should claim flavor first as he got counter claimed.

Sorry then I thought you wanted me to claim first.
I swear it was just a misunderstanding on my part.

[armlx]

You also got counter claimed Killa. You first.

Also, please don't directly quote what it says. Since I have come back there have been 2 mod kills for that in games I have been in.

Do you believe Killa? I asked him first about giving flavor text and I don't see him able to do it. Also shotgut versus throat slash. Yeah who do you believe as a vig?

?

What in my post makes you think I believe killa? I said he should claim flavor first as he got counter claimed.

Sorry then I thought you wanted me to claim first.
I swear it was just a misunderstanding on my part.

I can see where you thought that. The word got in that sentence is easily missed.

[Matt_S]

If killa's next post doesn't contain his supposed flavor, I'll be very unhappy.

[jackalbane]

Here now and wondering about all this killa business everyone's talking about. Apparently he claimed vig and nobody believed him or someone else also claimed vig?

Can someone clear this up for me?

[armlx]

Here now and wondering about all this killa business everyone's talking about. Apparently he claimed vig and nobody believed him or someone else also claimed vig?

Can someone clear this up for me?

Killa claimed vig with a suspect kill MO (throat slitting). Farside22 then claimed vig, pretty much proving killa is not town and most likely a Serial Killer.

[RossWilliam]

i feel like it's totally he-said she-said and i don't know what to believe. i'm leaning towards farside.

[jackalbane]

Thanks armlx! Now it's starting to make sense. And from the way everyone's talking after reading back a few pages, it seems 50-50 on how likely there is a serial killer. Which I guess is what everyone's arguing about. Right?

[dahill1]

i think its more than 50/50 that there's a SK (serial killer) since there were three kills on the first night. what everyone is arguing about now is whether or not killa seven is the SK. and if farside is lying as well or not.
so far, the main case is that killa seven is the SK because they usually slit peoples' throats when using the night action, and the vigilante (vig) shotguns people. plus, farside also claimed vig and it is unlikely there are two vigs. also, farside has no reason for lying because the real vig would just kill her the next night. so to conclude, it is generally accepted that killa seven is the SK and should be lynched today.

so vote for killa seven

[Rosso Carne]

ill be the HAMMAH! on k7 at some point.

[armlx]

Thanks armlx! Now it's starting to make sense. And from the way everyone's talking after reading back a few pages, it seems 50-50 on how likely there is a serial killer. Which I guess is what everyone's arguing about. Right?

Incorrect. As dahill said, slit throat is very SK esque, as is a vig claim. If killa turns out mafia instead, those who suspected he was mafia instead of SK will be extremely suspect as that thought is very odd given the evidence.

[Toaster Strudel]

ill be the HAMMAH! on k7 at some point.

He's at minus one, the next vote is the hammer.

It's painfully obvious he's the SK. Tiny chance of a mafia goon. Zero chance he's town.

Someone hammer him already.

[Battle Mage]

ill be the HAMMAH! on k7 at some point.

He's at minus one, the next vote is the hammer.

It's painfully obvious he's the SK. Tiny chance of a mafia goon. Zero chance he's town.

Someone hammer him already.

F**kin hell! Im glad i got here just in time.

TS, please stfu. Have you even read the game?

The day must not end yet.

Yes, we are lynching Killa today. We arent bloody retards. Have a bit of patience!!!!
Even if you dont understand that there is more to be discussed, give everyone else a chance.

Anyone who hammers him before i am finished talking, will be personally killed by me (yes i know i'm only a miller, but im friends with the Mod. It CAN be done! )

SO DON'T PUSH IT.

BM

[Battle Mage]

uhm...ts and bm, vote counts are at:
http://www.quicktopic.com/41/H/nGY8JmZW6Lbht

What is this page 1 votecount business? I can't go back and do my vote analysis! OMG, how am I ever going to find scum....

thank god. Maybe now you can hunt scum like a normal human being?

great. Now TS is gonna go chasing shadows for the next 50 pages....

BM

[Battle Mage]

Wait, what? Are you saying Farside is Scum now? I would've thought you'd call her the SK, not all the way to Scum...

SK is scum.

[Battle Mage]

A Night 0 kill of a random player?

Sounds like a serial killer to me, not a vig.

Vigs don't shoot Night 0. Serial Killers do. Mafia do. But not vigs.

vote: killa seven

Poor logic, and a ridiculous conclusion.

Firstly, had you read the game, you'd see that we'd already discussed why there is a certain case for vigging on Night 0. And regardless of that, when playing with newer players, is it surprising that some are a bit 'gun happy'? :p

Secondly, your lack of reading is embarrassing, as you have cast a vote on grounds that Killa claimed a N0 kill, WITHOUT EVEN COMMENTING ON THE FACT THAT FARSIDE HAS DONE THE EXACT SAME THING.

You claim to be ready to end the day, when you clearly dont have the slightest clue of whats going on in this game. This is kind of infuriating, as you're a respected player who people listen to, and you dont seem to be putting the effort in here.

I strongly reccommend you take your vote off Killa until you have at least read the game. I've said already that we are in no rush to go into night.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Here now and wondering about all this killa business everyone's talking about. Apparently he claimed vig and nobody believed him or someone else also claimed vig?

Can someone clear this up for me?

I could explain, but you're better off reading the game yourself. We're in no rush, so you can read it at your leisure. At least you have the sense not to vote until you have a half decent overview of the game.

BM

[Battle Mage]

i think its more than 50/50 that there's a SK (serial killer) since there were three kills on the first night. what everyone is arguing about now is whether or not killa seven is the SK. and if farside is lying as well or not.
so far, the main case is that killa seven is the SK because they usually slit peoples' throats when using the night action, and the vigilante (vig) shotguns people. plus, farside also claimed vig and it is unlikely there are two vigs. also, farside has no reason for lying because the real vig would just kill her the next night. so to conclude, it is generally accepted that killa seven is the SK and should be lynched today.

so vote for killa seven

NOT. YET.



Oh and while i read this, i recalled that this is Jordans first modded Large game, i think. As such, i dont think he would do anything MEGA-crazy...

BM

[Battle Mage]

ill post the flavour in my vig pm if farside posts her mafia role flavour pm.

I asked first. Deal with it.

@BM: I have my own thoughts on Lloyd so as I said before I will read your thoughts on it, but I make no promises, because I don't really trust anyone. Sorry it is mafia.

Ok, i'll put together the case on Lloyd now, as far as i can.

Ok, first and worst aspect of his play, is the particularly odd proxying of his vote to me. I thought about the mentalities behind this, and as far as i can see, here are the possible motives of Lloyd in doing this:

1. Lloyd is town, who wants to try an interesting long-term strategy in order to assess my affiliation and behaviour. This is a pretty weak scenario, seeing as i can see limited potential of such an investigation, and despite being asked on multiple occassions, Lloyd failed to claim that this was his intention, which as town, im sure he would have. Furthermore, as town, i'd be very reluctant to pass my vote (my 1 tool for hunting scum) to a player of unknown affiliation, on the grounds that i MIGHT be able to catch him as scum!

2. Lloyd is scum, who wanted to really suck up to me. At the time Lloyd gave me his vote, alot of people were paying attention to what i was saying, and i was leading the way to some extent. It makes perfect sense for scum to want to buddy up to a commanding town figure, and its possible that he also thought that by giving me his vote, i would like and trust him, and wouldnt push a wagon on him (using his own vote against him). It also makes it look like he is really hunting scum, when he actually isn't doing a whole lot.

I've thought through this in my head in some detail, and im finding it really hard to see him as town, based on this alone.

I'm sure there was more though, so i'll look into his posts in a sec.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Id say Whome is a better player than Lloyd imho. Just cant see his protown mentality for self-voting, expect perhaps that he thought Whome got away with it, so why shouldnt he.

BM

^Here is my response to Lloyd self-voting pointlessly. Another move of his which is very hard to see a protown motive for. In fairness, it did give us Killa-scum, but i just think that he got caught up in the moment, and followed Whome into a poorly lit trench.