Open 53: Near-Vanilla - Game over!
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TheSweatpantsNinja Mafia Scum
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JDodge Accept it
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Crub Mafia Scum
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TheSweatpantsNinja Mafia Scum
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Official Vote Count
klebian: 1 (Crub)
JDodge: 1 (killa seven)
killa seven: 1 (RossWilliam)
Crub: 3 (Korlash, JDodge, TheSweatpantsNinja)
Not voting: 5 (skitzer, neko2086, Shanba, Justin Playfair, klebian)
With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch before deadline.
Fixed deadline: This day will end not later than apr 4th, CET 10.00 am.
Prodding all players who haven't posted in the last 72 hours (except for skitzer because he asked), replacing non-responders.Last edited by Thesp on Sat Mar 29, 2008 6:28 am, edited 1 time in total."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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skitzer Mafia Scum
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klebian Mafia Scum
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killa seven Mafia Scum
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what can i help you with sir?klebian wrote:kinda waiting for k7ShowGames Won..
Mini 545 as town.
Mini 578 as scum.
mini 618 as scum.
Mushroom Kingdom as town.
Monty pythons as town.
mini 642 bodyguard 7 as town
Explosive mafia - as scum
mini 712 -town-
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Korlash Krap Logick
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Yeah yeah I'm here... Gimmie until sunday to catch up.It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Justin Playfair Goon
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Vote: TheSweatpantsNinja
You’re the Ninja I would have preferred to lynch yesterday, TSpN, and in a lesser key I’m seeing the same kind of opportunistic behavior from you today. At the end of day one you switched your vote from MelodyMan to JDodge while calling out for others to vote MelodyMan so you could switch your vote back. You then came into today renewing a vote on JDodge for no real reason at all. Now, with Crub under fire, you make the jump onto his wagon.
Too opportunistic, too many times, and it’s the same song as yesterday. You’re not playing like somebody looking for scum. You’re playing like someone looking for people to lynch.-
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TheSweatpantsNinja Mafia Scum
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Justin Playfair Goon
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TheSweatpantsNinja,
No problem. I mean day one first wanting to lynch Disciple Slayer on principle when he was acting badly, but only “sort of”, in a way that signaled it would be easy for your vote to move that way while striving to expose yourself as little as possible.
Disciple Slayer, a seemingly easy, not convincingly scummy target. And as we saw later, when MelodyMan was lynched, not actually scum.
Ross Williams. A better suspect here, but once again one who seemed unable to mount a proper defense on his behalf and who you rode in a fashion that looked to me (you can check my previous post from day one on this) more like running down the sick antelope than trying to tackle a wolf.
Moving back to MelodyMan when it was clear the Ross Williams wagon had stalled. Finding a newbie getting easily spooked somehow more sinister than all of Ross Williams activities combined. That makes it seem very clear the Ross Williams vote was not one of conviction but just an easy target to aim at. You found an easier target and with flimsy reasoning moved your vote.
Moving your vote to JDodge, the wagon on whom you had earlier questioned. Some justification here in that you said you were doing so to save yourself, but even as you move your vote you make a call for others to vote MelodyMan so you can move your vote back.
Day Two, you wake up and vote JDodge, even after being confronted with the results of a lurker lynch, even after questioning the wagon on JDodge on day one before joining it to save yourself.
You change from voting JDodge saying:
You had, precisely, no case at all, but on the other hand quite a few people had voted JDodge at the end of yesterday. Now there were people voting Crub.TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:I don't have such a strong case on jdodge that I'm not willing to switch.
That’s what I mean by opportunistic. It’s pretty much always what I mean when I call someone that. You know, that their votes and actions seem to be more about seizing opportunities to push a wagon to the hanging tree than finding actual scum. Once, twice, it could just be suspicions following those of others, but you’ve been just a little too consistent.-
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Justin Playfair Goon
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Crub,
I've ask you about a zillion questions you haven't answered at this point, but I would really like one on this subject. How sure were you that Klebian was scum on day one? And how sure are you that Klebian is scum today? I would really like this answered in a way that let's me know how full the bottle is for you on each of these two days.-
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neko2086 Mafia Scum
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FOS:Killa Seven
Are you ignoring me?I wrote: RW, K7, still waiting to hear from both of you.
I think I made it clear I've been waiting to hear from you as well, though you choose to respond to Klebian instead (though it's not much of a response).I was actually going to address k7, but I'm waiting to hear whether he's keeping his vote where it's at or changing it. His decision may affect what I have to say about him.
Please answer--Are you keeping your vote where it's at or are you changing it?In Tartiflette We Trust-
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TheSweatpantsNinja Mafia Scum
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There was one person voting crub. Do you have an issue with crub's play? Do you really find my 'opportunistic' play more anti-town than his?justin wrote: No problem. I mean day one first wanting to lynch Disciple Slayer on principle when he was acting badly, but only “sort of”, in a way that signaled it would be easy for your vote to move that way while striving to expose yourself as little as possible.
Disciple Slayer, a seemingly easy, not convincingly scummy target. And as we saw later, when MelodyMan was lynched, not actually scum.
This was discussed Day 1 too, and while I wasn't being terribly committed about it, the point was that we either needed to decided that ds' play was worth lynching or move on.
Ross Williams. A better suspect here, but once again one who seemed unable to mount a proper defense on his behalf and who you rode in a fashion that looked to me (you can check my previous post from day one on this) more like running down the sick antelope than trying to tackle a wolf.
Moving back to MelodyMan when it was clear the Ross Williams wagon had stalled. Finding a newbie getting easily spooked somehow more sinister than all of Ross Williams activities combined.Well, he replaced ds. That was a factor, too.
That makes it seem very clear the Ross Williams vote was not one of conviction but just an easy target to aim at. You found an easier target and with flimsy reasoning moved your vote.
Put the rw vote in context. At the time, there were about five players actually playing the game. To some degree, I was just trying to make noise. And srsly, a Day 1 vote without conviction? That's unheard of!
Moving your vote to JDodge, the wagon on whom you had earlier questioned. Some justification here in that you said you were doing so to save yourself, but even as you move your vote you make a call for others to vote MelodyMan so you can move your vote back.
And why would that be scummy? My lynch preference, in order, went MM, jdodge, me. So I arranged my voting in such a way that I would not get lynched, which required moving my vote to jdodge, but when my vote could be better utilized on MM, I moved it back.
Day Two, you wake up and vote JDodge, even after being confronted with the results of a lurker lynch, even after questioning the wagon on JDodge on day one before joining it to save yourself.
We weren't voting mm because he was lurking. He started lurking when we started voting him. And besides, I really have no problem with lurker lynches Day 1.
You change from voting JDodge saying:
TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:
I don't have such a strong case on jdodge that I'm not willing to switch.
You had, precisely, no case at all, but on the other hand quite a few people had voted JDodge at the end of yesterday. Now there were people voting Crub.-
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killa seven Mafia Scum
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im pretty sure i answered this question, so no im not ignoring you.neko2086 wrote:FOS:Killa Seven
Are you ignoring me?I wrote: RW, K7, still waiting to hear from both of you.
I think I made it clear I've been waiting to hear from you as well, though you choose to respond to Klebian instead (though it's not much of a response).I was actually going to address k7, but I'm waiting to hear whether he's keeping his vote where it's at or changing it. His decision may affect what I have to say about him.
Please answer--Are you keeping your vote where it's at or are you changing it?ShowGames Won..
Mini 545 as town.
Mini 578 as scum.
mini 618 as scum.
Mushroom Kingdom as town.
Monty pythons as town.
mini 642 bodyguard 7 as town
Explosive mafia - as scum
mini 712 -town-
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anyways, as i said before, i will change my vote when i find someone scummier then jdoge or j steps up, which he hasnt.ShowGames Won..
Mini 545 as town.
Mini 578 as scum.
mini 618 as scum.
Mushroom Kingdom as town.
Monty pythons as town.
mini 642 bodyguard 7 as town
Explosive mafia - as scum
mini 712 -town-
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neko2086 Mafia Scum
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Justin Playfair Goon
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TheSweatpantsNinja,
Are you now agreeing that your day one vote on Ross Williams was without conviction?TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:And srsly, a Day 1 vote without conviction? That's unheard of!
If so, in what way was it lacking conviction?
Yes, I do have an issue with Crub’s play. But I can also see possible town motives for his play. It is also possible that your voting pattern and behavior toward various lynch candidates is a matter of play style. But at the moment I am still seeing your overall behavior as more likely to be that of scum than Crub’s.TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:Do you have an issue with crub's play? Do you really find my 'opportunistic' play more anti-town than his?
Killa Seven,
Could you please give us your full list of reasons for finding JDodge scummy?
Thank you both for your answers.-
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Crub Mafia Scum
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What sort of metric do you want me to measure this against? Obviously I'm not sure, I just think it's probable, and I think it's more probable today, than what I did yesterday.Justin Playfair wrote:Crub,
I've ask you about a zillion questions you haven't answered at this point, but I would really like one on this subject. How sure were you that Klebian was scum on day one? And how sure are you that Klebian is scum today? I would really like this answered in a way that let's me know how full the bottle is for you on each of these two days.
Last time I checked 1+1=2.TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:There was one person voting crub.
Also, I will still change my vote to TSN if no one is willing to get on kleb. 4 days till deadline by my reckoning.Moo?-
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TheSweatpantsNinja Mafia Scum
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Oops, you're right, there were two people voting you. Sorry about that.
And OMGUS much?
I mean it was an early Day 1 vote, so it wasn't as, uh, convicted, as, say, my crub vote is now. I thought rw was the scummiest player when I voted him, but then as time went on, I began to be less convinced of it, and the whole no-lynch thing was (WIFOM, I know) sort of a stupid suggestion for scum to make. So when melodyman came in and bandwagoned him, I thought his play + DS play was a better place for my vote.Are you now agreeing that your day one vote on Ross Williams was without conviction?
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Crub Mafia Scum
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Because you've quite obviously already forgotten what happened 1 page ago:TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:Oops, you're right, there were two people voting you. Sorry about that.
And OMGUS much?
Crub in 587 wrote:Anyway you guys do what you like, I'll keep my vote on kleb, but will move to TSN if that get's more support.
If there's any OMGUS there it's from you not me. Again, I'm just sticking to my guns, and being consistent.TSN in 590 wrote:Unvote, vote crub.Moo?
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