Perfectionist Mafia - Resultas

[Snow White]

Yay, someone rational!

What!? Blood Covenent you bastard!

You voted me!

What do you care?

I didnt at the time. It was meant as a joke from Mafia97.

My Milked Eek

Where is my Appeal to Emotion? Just for the record i do it quite a bit as scum and town but i fail to see where i used it.

Saber

You gave me a roundabout answer without actually giving me an answer. Im not refering to your vote on me, i am refering to the actual purpose of your vote.

Please answer why you find concentrating on two people who are probably most likely to be town better than spreading the wings and examining everyone equally?

(no one get cute, ive yet to see a RVS where one of the bandwagons is scum)

What are your reasons for pressuring me btw. Saberwolf? Because im just, here?
-First it was a joke of avatar avoidance. (If anyone has any questions as to how great EoS are i will oblige btw) No vote.
-Notably, an attractive wagon at 3, why not back track and put me up to 4votes just in case it takes off with the excuse that BW's are useful to the town.
-Now OMGUS. When i was asking you a serious question.
-etc.?

dramonic

I didnt call your exes kinky.

Nook

Where exactly do you see these two bandwagons going exactly? All votes contribute to a lynch.

Comfortable with my vote atm.

[My Milked Eek]

@ Saber. How are competing bandwagons useful for town? We should examine everyone as equally as possible instead of concentrating on

two random individuals

to avoid what could be an

inevitable mislynch

.

Unvote, Vote Saberwolf

Bolded added for emphasis.

[Wickedestjr]

MME what do you think of the saberwolf votes? They are serious.

[Sanjay]

Wickedestjr, why did you give me the most boring question of everyone on your list?

[Sanjay]

Okay, actually maybe your question for nook was more boring.

[Wickedestjr]

Somebody has to have the most boring question.

Now please answer.

[Sanjay]

One scum down, however many to go.

How do you know BC is scum? Is he your scumbuddy? How do you know that there are many scum? I don't know that we were told that.

Wickedestjr, were you joking here? "How do you know that there are many scum?" Really?

I feel like you are misrepresenting Lowell here. He didn't say there were many scum. To paraphrase him, he basically said that there was some number of scum.

Do you really think we need to be told specifically that there is some number of scum to act under that assumption?

If anything, Lowell could be accused of pretending not to have secret information. Your accusation is silly.

[dramonic]

He kind of asked you to answer your question, not someone else's. Noted, however.

@Wicked: Most of my posts have been fairly useless, but considering we're only four pages into the game I don't think it's any dramatic.

On a more serious note:

Unvote
Vote: Sanjay

[Snow White]

@ Saber. How are competing bandwagons useful for town? We should examine everyone as equally as possible instead of concentrating on

two random individuals

to avoid what could be an

inevitable mislynch

.

Unvote, Vote Saberwolf

Bolded added for emphasis.

Is it not true?

In regards to Lowell... I havent liked how Sanjay has answered Lowells question. But i like my vote on SW for now. (the other SW) jk.

I think its an apt question on Wicked's part. The game has hardly begun, it might be a slip on Lowell's part, it could be quite innocent. Is not something to consider so serious but enough to put a slight pressure on.

[Sanjay]

@ Saber. How are competing bandwagons useful for town? We should examine everyone as equally as possible instead of concentrating on

two random individuals

to avoid what could be an

inevitable mislynch

.

Unvote, Vote Saberwolf

Bolded added for emphasis.

Is it not true?

In regards to Lowell... I havent liked how Sanjay has answered Lowells question. But i like my vote on SW for now. (the other SW) jk.

I think its an apt question on Wicked's part. The game has hardly begun, it might be a slip on Lowell's part, it could be quite innocent. Is not something to consider so serious but enough to put a slight pressure on.

I didn't like that Wickedestjr's post had a serious tone but yet had a kind of silly accusation.

I felt like Wickedestjr was trying to create a slip by changing what Lowell said.

[Sanjay]

And I fully intend to answer Wickedestjr's question eventually. Answering "who do you have scum/town reads on" is basically all one does in scumhunting. I have no illusions that I'm going to dodge that question.

[Sanjay]

Actually, I take that back. I guess I am kind of dodging the question.

Knowing who I had reads on at the time of the question is a different matter than who I have reads on later.

So I'll give you an answer now.

[Wickedestjr]

One scum down, however many to go.

How do you know BC is scum? Is he your scumbuddy? How do you know that there are many scum? I don't know that we were told that.

Wickedestjr, were you joking here? "How do you know that there are many scum?" Really?

I feel like you are misrepresenting Lowell here. He didn't say there were many scum. To paraphrase him, he basically said that there was some number of scum.

Do you really think we need to be told specifically that there is some number of scum to act under that assumption?

If anything, Lowell could be accused of pretending not to have secret information. Your accusation is silly.

Hmm... You're right. That was wrong. I misread it as if it said
"One scum down, however, many to go."

@Wicked: Most of my posts have been fairly useless, but considering we're only four pages into the game I don't think it's any dramatic.

When were you planning to start getting serious?

Vote: Sanjay

Why?

I didn't like that Wickedestjr's post had a serious tone but yet had a kind of silly accusation.

Why is that? I don't really think there is anything wrong with it. And to what extent did you not like it?


Sanjay - Any reads so far?

[EtherealCookie]

Oh god, questioning my votes at the random voting stage! The horror!

[Wickedestjr]

Oh god, questioning my votes at the random voting stage! The horror!

Anything else you'd like to say about the game thus far?

[Sanjay]

I get somewhat of a town vibe from Mufasa. He seemed to quite easily put the third vote on the BloodCovenent wagon which seems like kind of a scary place for scum to tread. Plus I think his frustration with BloodCovenent seems townish to me. I am getting a town vibe on My Milked Eek for similar reasons.

BloodCovenent is of interest to me. He invites a wagon on himself and then casts huge suspicion on everyone that joins him. It's like he doesn't get his own joke. I guess that could have been his plan all along (be bait and see who bites), but it seems like bad town play. I know it is often wrong to equate bad town play with scumminess, but I do get a sort of scum vibe from BloodCovenent's play so far.

I had a scummy read on Wickedestjr but I accept his defense and now no longer do. I can see how he misread Lowell's post and, given that misreading, his actions make sense. I'll also answer this question here:

I didn't like that Wickedestjr's post had a serious tone but yet had a kind of silly accusation.

Why is that? I don't really think there is anything wrong with it. And to what extent did you not like it?

I didn't like it a lot. The idea that you might have been trying to create evidence against Lowell rather than find it was somewhat strong in my mind. Misrepresentation to me is a scumtell.

For now I guess I'm kind of neutral about Wickedestjr.

I found it a little bit suspicious that Snow White would bring up that she has never seen a RVS wagon on scum. I'm not quite sure about Snow White.

As I previously mentioned, I think Lowell might be going out of way to demonstrate that he doesn't know how many scum there are, which is a little scummy.

I'm comfortable leaving RVS right now, so I am going to

unvote: myself

and

vote: BloodCovenent

[My Milked Eek]

Oh god, questioning my votes at the random voting stage! The horror!

Yes, imagine that! Not being able to hide a vote behind the "rvs".


>> Wicked
Do you mean the votes on saber or the votes saber placed?

I'm thinking the latter, but yeah, I do like the place of his Snow vote, but the reasoning behind it is a bit "meh".

[Wickedestjr]

Thanks for the opinions!

However, I'm curious. Why would Mufasa's third vote make him look a bit pro-town but not the fourth or fifth votes on the wagon?


@MME - Actually I was asking what you thought about the reasons that saberwolf was getting votes.

[My Milked Eek]

saberwolf (Snow White, Wickedestjr)

Snow : omgus
Wicked : Lame reason. Tell me what's wrong/scummy about having two random votes.

[Sanjay]

Thanks for the opinions!

However, I'm curious. Why would Mufasa's third vote make him look a bit pro-town but not the fourth or fifth votes on the wagon?

The fifth vote on the wagon was My Milked Eek, right? It did look pro-town to me. Putting a vote after BloodCovenent says "people who vote for me are scummy" is attention seeking.

Mufasa's vote looks pro-town to me because to me it reads like "weeeee, let's bandwagon" where as Lowell's reads more like "okay".

[saberwolf]

@wickedestjr: the question you asked mufasa is stupid if you've actually been reading the posts. I already explained this. This is the second time I've ever seen Mufasa. Our first game he hammered on day 2 with no explanation other than "it was inevitable". The move was so scummy that everyone immediately jumped on his BW day 3. I was the only one to fight for his right to stay, but when Mufasa chose not to co-operate, I quickly gave up and was the hammer vote. So in total I have voted two times for Mufasa ever, which technically still is every game we've played together, but it's been taken out of context to make it sound AtE.

FoS: Mufasa

[Sanjay]

Could you elaborate on that FoS, saberwolf?

[Wickedestjr]

Wicked : Lame reason. Tell me what's wrong/scummy about having two random votes.

It shows that he doesn't care about getting out of the RVS. It may not be the best reason for a lynch, but I feel he definitely needs some pressure.

@wickedestjr: the question you asked mufasa is stupid if you've actually been reading the posts. I already explained this. This is the second time I've ever seen Mufasa. Our first game he hammered on day 2 with no explanation other than "it was inevitable". The move was so scummy that everyone immediately jumped on his BW day 3. I was the only one to fight for his right to stay, but when Mufasa chose not to co-operate, I quickly gave up and was the hammer vote. So in total I have voted two times for Mufasa ever, which technically still is every game we've played together, but it's been taken out of context to make it sound AtE.

First of all, the question was to see how he felt about having votes, so I don't see what's stupid about it. I admit, I should have made it a bit more relevent to this game, but I still think it is a question he should answer. Second of all, please respond to my vote.

[almightybob]

AlmightyBob - What do you think of Snow White and saberwolf?

Nothing in particular. Neutral reads so far.

saber - put the 4th vote on SW with reason "competing bandwagons are useful for town IMO". I'm fine with that. I'm satisfied with his explanation of what he meant in post 59. That's pretty much the only notable action from him so far, so yeah, neutral read.

SW - fairly OMGUSy vote on saber, but when she explained her problems with his theory, I feel it's more a misunderstanding. I don't think saber meant

these specific two competing bandwagons,

but rather that having multiple wagons going at the same time allows us to see the dynamics between them when one grows or shrinks. Which is something I agree with. Perhaps SW doesn't, but a different view on Mafia theory doesn't make her scum.

I don't see anything scummy in saber's logic, nor in SW's. So far, anyway.

[Max]

I just want to inform people that Ethereal Cookie's first post was before I had sent the role. I feel this is information that everyone is entitled to have because it is either
A) Biased
or/and
B) Misleading
if I do not inform you of this

Votes Count

5 Votes:
BloodCovenent (Mufasa, Lowell, EtherealCookie, AlmightyBob, DeathNote, Sanjay)

3 Votes:
Snow White (BloodConvenent, My Milked Eek, saberwolf)

2 Votes:
Sanjay (nook, dramonic)
saberwolf (Snow White, Wickedestjr)

1 Vote:
Self Voters
SolemnJ, RealityFan, Santos, (Replacement of) StumpyTheElephantMan, MrSuave

0 Votes:
Lowell, EtherealCookie, My Milked Eek, Almightybob, DeathNote, dramonic, Wickedestjr, Mufasa