Open 231: My Name is Earl (Game Over)

[Xite91]

It seems like a contradiction in terms though, look

To be fair to budja

, you can vote someone for minor reasons to provide pressure, and build your case off of the resulting responses.

Offering no reasons is...odd, since it doesn't allow the person to defend themselves.

[AurorusVox]

You've bolded two parts that come either side of a full-stop, so of course it's going to look like a contradiction, because they're talking about different things. The "to be fair to budja" part is referring to the rest of the sentence that follows immediately after it, about using minor reasons (which he did in his post after the vote). The "offering no reasons" part refers to the post in which he voted without offering his reason. They were separate posts (the vote and the explanation) and thus have been dealt with in two separate sentences.

[Xite91]

Okay, so the reason that part didn't make sense to me as to why it was there was because he never gave real reasoning. His first reason was it was a Joke vote, therefore I don't need a reason. After that it was vote,vote, oh yeah, votes without reasons can be used for town, when it's actually just lazy and not useful to town at all, which is why that seemed like it wasn't to do with budja. If he gave his reasons, I wouldn't be voting him unless they were really bad reasons, but he seems to have no reason at all.

[AurorusVox]

He has posted reasons:

Here's a case for you:
1. assuming I am town. #20 (minor)
2.

d3x: It doesn't really matter how arbitrary a reason is, as long as it's there. I suppose there's no real risk in the vote itself, but when combined with not even caring for even an arbitrary reason, it just doesn't seem townie to me.

^ wishy-washy statement. Says "Doesn't seem townie" but fails to vote me. Also, contradicts above.

To be clear, I'm not defending posting votes without reasons. I'm defending pressure votes accompanied by minor reasons because if people start moaning about using such lesser reasons, it lowers the chances of pressure votes providing a read on the player in question (when you explain its a pressure vote, the pressure tends to drop)

[AurorusVox]

EBWOP: To clarify, however, I do think Beefster's case on Budja is better than the reverse. I'm not ready to jump onto any easy bandwagons just yet, though.

[Xite91]

First post: Yeah, but that's one of 3 that he clarified. Also, I thought we clarified that "doesn't

seem

townie does not equal scum"
therefore, he has 1 case out of 3 votes on 3 different people
and that 1 case is invalid in 2 different ways (I don't assume anyone is town, also, him just saying that he "just threw that in on a whim" or however he worded it seems like AtE to me)

[AurorusVox]

I don't know what you want me to say. I've agreed that in general, votes without reasons are scummy. I've also agreed that in specific, his case is relatively weak. But I'm not going to vote for him until I decide that

I

want to, regardless of how much

you

] want me to.

[Xite91]

I never told you to vote, honestly if he got to L-1 I would unvote until he claimed, then vote based on his claim and if I think he's telling the truth or not. Just what he's done isn't enough to push a lynch just yet, but definitely enough to put some pressure on him. Not saying I want a claim yet, but I won't let him be lynched (if i have a say about it) until I'm absolutely 95% certain he's scum.
That being said, I'd like a little more from him

[Col.Cathart]

Ok, changed my mind. AV is town so far from his posts. Beefster is terrible though.

unvote

vote: Beefster

[Budja]

^ good posting.

I'm going to ignore all "unexplained vote" discussion from now. Its not scummy.

Xite comes off town.
Aurorus is newb-town.
Torn on Scorpion.
Beefster is still scum.

[AurorusVox]

When re-reading, I came across this;

Wagon go!

unvote
Vote: Budja

XScorpion, if you thought he was scummy (#50), why did you wait for someone else to vote Budja before you voted him yourself? Is it because you want to blend in with other people's votes?

Vote: XScorpion

[XScorpion]

I was already voting for d3x. I think both d3x and budja are scum. I'm simply trying to push a wagon on whichever one I can.

[XScorpion]

I'm going to ignore all "unexplained vote" discussion from now. Its not scummy.

It's not scummy, it's anti-town. As is ignoring discussion.

[AurorusVox]

And why exactly do you suspect d3x? You've said that voting without a reason is scummy - and yet, your vote on d3x took place in the RVS stage. You've yet to provide a solid reason for why you want to lynch him.

If you suspect both, you could easily have switched your votes earlier, when you insinuated that you suspected budja for voting . But you didn't. You waited until someone else had voted before changing.

[Xite91]

Hey guys, I have a suggestion to move the game forward a little bit faster.
Before you read the suggestion, I would like to point out that this is a yes or no (to the suggestiong) type thing and there is a valid reason for it.

Now that I have said this, I would like the earls to claim
If you don't like this plan just say you don't like it, trust me I will accept that, as long as you accept that I will not at this time give a reason to why.

[Budja]

No,
1. narrows down PRs (case of 1 Earl), removes PR fear for scum (case of 2 Earls)
2. if an Earl is about to be lynched, they can just claim. Fakeclaims will be outed (or put in a 1-1 situation) at mass-claim (when-ever that occurs).

[Xite91]

Hey guys, I have a suggestion to move the game forward a little bit faster.
Before you read the suggestion, I would like to point out that this is a yes or no (to the suggestiong) type thing and there is a valid reason for it.

Now that I have said this, I would like the earls to claim

If you don't like this plan just say you don't like it

, trust me I will accept that, as long as you accept that I will not at this time give a reason to why.

I meant without an explanation.

[Beefster]

Ok, changed my mind. AV is town so far from his posts. Beefster is terrible though.

unvote

vote: Beefster

What makes me so "terrible"? I like reasons.

[Col.Cathart]

Ok, changed my mind. AV is town so far from his posts. Beefster is terrible though.

unvote

vote: Beefster

What makes me so "terrible"? I like reasons.

Over carefulness about votes in post #1 and especially #2

Not voting, then being called on it, and then voting for 'I don't like your defense' set off at least several alarm lamps on my gut scumdar. And where do you even see him (Budja) hiding something? You like reasons, but you do not provide them as well.

Overall tendency to post rarely without any real content added. Possibly active lurking. And don't even try to use that shitty 'wel duh, it's page 4' argument, because it certainly doesn't stop others from posting something more valuable (granted, you are not the only one guilty of this, but combining it with things above it makes you my top suspect).

[Scott Brosius]

Vote Count #3

Adrien C (0) -
AurorusVox (0) -
Beefster (3) - Budja, d3x, Col.Cathart
Budja (3) - Xite91, XScorpion, Beefster
Col.Cathart (0) -
d3x (0) -
Grimmy (0) -
Xite91 (1) - Adrien C
XScorpion (1) - AurousVox

Not Voting (1)- Grimmy

With 9 players alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Since Grimmy has failed to pick up his role PM, I am looking for a replacement.

Deadline is July 30 ~12 pm EDT

[Xite91]

looks like we've got two leading wagons.
who's gonna win the race?

by the way, what are everyone else's thoughts on the earls claiming?
As in yes no, don't give reasons, please and thanks

[Scott Brosius]

Nocase replaces Grimmy effective immediately

[Col.Cathart]

looks like we've got two leading wagons.
who's gonna win the race?

by the way, what are everyone else's thoughts on the earls claiming?
As in yes no, don't give reasons, please and thanks

No.

[nocase]

i'm caught up. i'll probably reread for some clarification but i'm caught up.

vote: adrien c.
fos: beefster.

[Xite91]

you could also give some clarification