NY 117: The Vanillaside (Game over)

Socrates · Post Post #50 (ISO) » Mon Jul 26, 2010 1:58 pm

SSBF wrote:One it was because it was RVS. Two was to help form a bandwagon on him to see how he would react. So far, it's working.

You consider a second vote on a player a bandwagon vote?

MehPlusRawr · Post Post #51 (ISO) » Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:01 pm

Socrates wrote:As for killing Reck, it might save on a lot of headaches, but I don't think it would benefit the town much strategically. Redirector can still cause a lot of hell even without vanillaizing people and the cost is too high.

Hey, I found a sheep.

Seraphim · Post Post #52 (ISO) » Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:01 pm

What can I say? I'm an intriguing person.

This post bothers me immensely for some reason I cannot communicate. It's probably gut ATM.

Seraphim · Post Post #53 (ISO) » Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:02 pm

Also, why in the fuck are we discussing killing confirmed town especially when it's Reck for God's sake.

Ellibereth · Post Post #54 (ISO) » Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:04 pm

Meh wrote: Elli, I've been pretty good, aside from losing a game earlier because my scumteam didn't submit a kill. (Nightless game, we were both lazy, we thought we had won as the lynch caused us to have an equal number of scum and town. Still.)

Oh that sucks.
You promise you're town?

Seraphim wrote:Also,
why in the fuck are we discussing killing confirmed town
especially when it's Reck for God's sake.

QFT.

Socrates · Post Post #55 (ISO) » Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:05 pm

MehPlusRawr wrote:Hey, I found a sheep.

Do you consider me scummy, MPR?

@Seraphim: well, if its gut, then there is not much I can say.

Seraphim · Post Post #56 (ISO) » Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:10 pm

I know which is why I'm not pushing the wagon too hard yet.

MehPlusRawr · Post Post #57 (ISO) » Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:12 pm

Socrates wrote:
MehPlusRawr wrote:Hey, I found a sheep.
Do you consider me scummy, MPR?

Not particularly. It's a perfectly valid thought that you might have just had the same idea as me, but voiced it later. I just thought it would be of note.

Huh. I'm playing carefully. I need to accuse people of being scum randomly more.

Ellibereth · Post Post #58 (ISO) » Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:12 pm

Sera = town.

Ellibereth · Post Post #59 (ISO) » Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:12 pm

HEY MPR, IF YOU REFUSE TO PROMISE, YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.

MehPlusRawr · Post Post #60 (ISO) » Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:14 pm

I PROMISE WHATEVER IT WAS SO WHAT WAS I PROMISING AGAIN?

ALSO WAY TO MAKE ME START CAPSINATING AGAIN.

MehPlusRawr · Post Post #61 (ISO) » Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:15 pm

OH I MISSED THAT. I PROMISE I'M TOWN. CROSS MY HEART, HOPE TO DIE, JAM A DAGGER IN MY THIGH, EAT A HORSE MANURE PIE.

Super Smash Bros. Fan · Post Post #62 (ISO) » Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:21 pm

MehPlusRawr wrote:The wagon was growing too quickly for my liking. And yes, you did say that I was concerned about being lynched, in this quote.

If the bandwagon was growing too quickly, you would be at L-2/L-1 already. The town would not be dumb enough to put someone that close to a lynch this early in the day.

Me wrote:
MehPlusRawr wrote:Oh, hey, I don't feel like shouting. Let's wagon someone else. I have a feeling this MPR dude is town.
Why is he concerned about a bandwagon that isn't even based on him being scummy? It's not like we're planning on lynching him yet.

I asked you why you were concerned about a bandwagon that wasn't even based off your scumminess, not why you were concerned about being lynched.

MehPlusRawr wrote:It's not even close to an overreaction, either. It translates to "Eh, I'm getting voted, but it's RVS so it doesn't really matter. Anyways, I always like having other people getting lynched over me, because I'm always confirmed FMPOV as whatever alignment I am, and lynching people of my alignment brings me further from winning!"

Wait, didn't you admit to being concerned about being bandwagoned? Now you're changing the story by saying "I'm getting votes, but since it's RVS, it doesn't matter.". Then why did you have a problem with your bandwagon going "too quickly" in the first place?

MehPlusRawr wrote:MPR's Meta Tip of the Day: If I'm posting, I'm town. If I'm not posting, I'm either town or scum.

Sorry, but I'm not playing the "town meta" card for that. Just because you're active doesn't mean that you're going to flip town. Argue all you want, but you can be extremely active but still be scum. Remember this game? You were a Serial Killer, yet you've made around 150 game-related posts in the game.

Socrates wrote:You consider a second vote on a player a bandwagon vote?

I personally think that any votes that isn't the first vote on a person can be considered some way or form a bandwagon vote. It just becomes more apperent with latter votes.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #63 (ISO) » Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:23 pm

Korts wrote:As for Reck getting vigged: no. If Reck is to die by the town's hands, he will be lynched, no way are we going to vanillize a town killing role. I think this discussion can be fruitful--Reck's death means robbing the scum of being able to fuck with our heads, but also the town of a confirmed innocent down the line. Now, I think having a confirmed innocent in the endgame is very valuable, but will the scum keep him around for that long? Discuss.

Why would we lynch me? This literally makes no sense.

MehPlusRawr · Post Post #64 (ISO) » Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:24 pm

I DON'T EVEN KNOW THIS IS SO CONFUSING. AND FINE YOU CAN REVISE MY META TIP TO SAY "NOT TOWN," I PLAY AN SK LIKE TOWN ANYWAYS.

Socrates · Post Post #65 (ISO) » Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:27 pm

MehPlusRawr wrote:
Socrates wrote:
MehPlusRawr wrote:Hey, I found a sheep.
Do you consider me scummy, MPR?
Not particularly. It's a perfectly valid thought that you might have just had the same idea as me, but voiced it later. I just thought it would be of note.

Huh. I'm playing carefully. I need to accuse people of being scum randomly more.

Then who IS scummy?

Ellibereth · Post Post #66 (ISO) » Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:28 pm

k, Mpr = town.

Socrates · Post Post #67 (ISO) » Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:30 pm

SSBF: Do you have a recent scum game you can link me to? More than one would be awesome.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #68 (ISO) » Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:32 pm

Elli, please don't deny me my MPR lynch.

SpyreX · Post Post #69 (ISO) » Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:34 pm

Reck getting killed is a 1-1 PR loss any of which are fine.

Seriously why is this even being discussed?

Super Smash Bros. Fan · Post Post #70 (ISO) » Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:35 pm

Socrates wrote:SSBF: Do you have a recent scum game you can link me to? More than one would be awesome.

I have two scum games so far:
Smash Bros. Mafia: This was in Smash World Forums. The game went horribly for me.
Mini 988: Small Town Mafia: First on-site game where I was scum. Notice that my game considerably improved.

MehPlusRawr · Post Post #71 (ISO) » Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:52 pm

Socrates wrote:
MehPlusRawr wrote:
Socrates wrote:
MehPlusRawr wrote:Hey, I found a sheep.
Do you consider me scummy, MPR?
Not particularly. It's a perfectly valid thought that you might have just had the same idea as me, but voiced it later. I just thought it would be of note.

Huh. I'm playing carefully. I need to accuse people of being scum randomly more.
Then who IS scummy?

This is a problem. I can't find anyone scummy except from accusations that aren't even based off gut. I'd like to lynch SSBF, but I'm pushing that to the back of my mind, because every single game I play in, I want to lynch him. Heck, if he was confirmed town, I'd still want to lynch him. Ask me again in a few pages.

MehPlusRawr · Post Post #72 (ISO) » Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:58 pm

My wagon isn't exactly analyz-able. Still, I don't like Nachomamma all that much- he popped up, but really hasn't done anything, though we're out of RVS by now.

RayFrost · Post Post #73 (ISO) » Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:03 pm

ugh... 3 pages while I'm asleep. Not cool guys.

Vote: Incognito

You didn't say hi.

Socrates · Post Post #74 (ISO) » Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:03 pm

When I questioned Incognito about his vote, he responded too quickly and with too much detail for it to be something that he just bullshitted in order to hop on a wagon. Incognito starts off in the town camp.

Korts drew on meta information when he was considering me indicating a genuine attempt at evaluation even though his meta information was incorrect. Suggesting a lynch on the confirmed town player would also take a lot of balls as scum.

Seraphim vote on me contains elements of self doubt and he did not try to sell his vote as more than it was, but he also didn't seem to be afraid of stepping on my toes. He is likely town.

In my previous experience of MPR, he lurked like a champ, while when he was town his lurking was only amateurish, and this is the most active I have ever seen him. However, multiple players in the game are aware of his meta (see: the sign up thread) and a scum MPR would have a large motivation to attempt to break that meta. He also commits the deadly sin of bringing up his own meta in defense. I don't consider his response to the wagon that built up on him particularity remarkable. His post calling me a "sheep" looked like he was going to jump on my counterwagon, but he didn't follow through. Slight town points there. When asked for some scum reads, he responded as I expected him to do as town. He didn't BS any reads together in order to fit some appearance of "scumhunting" and simply stated that he did not see anything extremely scummy, which is something I sympathize with. I currently like him as town right now.

SSBF is going full speed ahead on his MPR vote, and I asked to see his meta because I was curious if he was the type to be so unsubtle when scum. In Mini 988, the game he linked me, he does start off forcefully, using strong words such as "lie", "ridiculous", and refers to another player's play as "terrible", so this kind of play would not be out of character for him as scum. Something about the way he answered my questions to him doesn't sit well with me either, though I can't articulate why.

Right now I believe that the scum have yet to make any overt moves, for the most part. At most 1 scum has made more than 3 or 4 posts and I would like to spin this onto one of the background players so far.

vote: Demon Hybrid

Thoughts on anything other than MPR?