Open 267- Lovers Mafia- Game Over

[DavidParker]

Well at least with two L-1 wagons, wagon analysis becomes quite useful at this point.

We can safely deduce Hiraki and shotty aren't scum buddies.

And also looking at people who are on the wagons (especially those who joined late), ie: chk/emp are not likely shotty's scum buddy. (Nor is hiraki since shotty joined and pushed hiraki's wagon just recently)

So if shotty is scum then either Later or myself would probably be his partner.

Now looking at Hiraki's wagon, you can deduce that shotty/myself probably aren't his scum partner. Later joined the wagon fairly early and that may have been distancing, and he hasn't been 'pushing' the wagon so much recently. Leaving emp or chk as his likely scum partner. (chk could work as he recently joined the shotty wagon without really seeming to feel too strongly about it, and his cautionness of joining it at first as well makes me see this as a possibility)


So, I'm going to pose a question to town:

We have two L-1 wagons, do you think it's more likely one of the wagons is on scum, or that neither is on scum? (would it surprise you if neither was on scum?)


As of right now, If one of the wagons is on scum, I'd have to say it would be the hiraki wagon and his scum buddy is likely chk. I know I'm town, so if shotty is scum his buddy would have to be Later, and I don't really feel the earlier case on Later was that strong, nor do I find him scum at this point.

Seeing as I only see one likely scum pair coming out of the wagons (although an emp/hiraki combo still could be quite possible, I just haven't really looked at emp yet), I find it quite likely the scum-team is maybe neither of these wagons.

[DavidParker]

Ok, and the reason I'm not "paying attention" is because I am, or was at the fairmont hotel in bpston with my family for thanksgiving, so not only did i not have much time, but I also had tp pay like hell for internet. It's me or Hiraki, pick one

No it's not.

No one hammer anytime soon. We are only on page 5 and still have lots of time.

I am requesting no one hammers without posting their willingness to hammer or unless multiple people on the wagon are asking for a hammer. As it stands, I'm on hiraki's wagon but don't want a hammer right now, but feel my vote is still best left on the wagon. I assume most people on their respective wagons would not want a hammer out of nowhere from someone on the other wagon.

[Empking]

I'm reasonbly confident that the one of the wagons is on scum and I'm pretty confident that its the Shotty wagon.

[Hiraki]

Just to note, I'm on my iPod, so if I make any big mistakes, I'll correct them later.

I don't want to make a huge post/response to Shotty. From my skim, his counter-argument looked bad, so y'know.

1) Voting someone to calm down is in no way an RVS vote. Don't dare try to justify it.

2) Some of those responses completely missed the point of my post.

3) What do you consider to be active lurking, and how does one detect it.

4) Hammer and I will kill you at night. Sex.

[chkflip]

- The fact that Shotty is so jumpy doesn't alarm me, as I've played a game with him before. It does strike me that he'd put himself on the plate like that, however, as if to push that he's so town that he'll sacrifice himself when that couldn't be further from helpful right now. There's only six of us, and only four of which are town. But since you demand I pick one, shotty...

- Out of the two L-1 wagons, if by nothing else than the way he's responding and trying so hard to be helpful, I'd say the scum wagon is more likely to be shotty than hiraki, which is why my vote stands.

[DavidParker]

Does anyone else feel neither wagon is on scum?

[chkflip]

- Just because I've got lateral still on the brain doesn't mean I have no confidence in the case against shotty. I don't see how you deduced that otherwise.

- Why would scum vote their partner in Lover's Mafia for distancing? They're dead if their partner is lynched. It might be more pertinent to look at who

isn't

voting who when it comes to that. That's my take, at least. Thoughts?

[Lateralus22]

Quick check in,

Shotty's probably town. I don't see why he would be scummy because he called Hiraki's post IIoA unless he was pushing heavily on how that was the reason Hiraki's scum. I don't agree that everything there as IIoA but I can definitely see why someone would think that since what he pointed is is more along the lines of observations, but he misses how it's not IIoA because he does give it in his opinion.

My town on chkflip died when he started to ignore my posts. The switch to shotty doesn't feel genuine at all and I feel like he's just wagoning with Empking. I'd be more inclined to think it's Hiraki/chkflip since I don't think scum would do that so blindly.

Before I really liked how he was questioning me since it actually looked like he cared about my alignment, but I didn't notice how much of my posts he ignored. A lot of what he says is pretty vague too.

Your reasonings are fair enough, though they could still be scum-driven.

- I don't get the point in asking someone for their town reads, that just sounds like a scummy elimination tactic to me.

You're saying they could be scum driven but why don't you explain why? After I told you why I liked town reads why didn't you follow up with an actual response talking about them? (#50)

-- Note that, yes, I asked you about a town read; however, it's only because you mentioned it.

If you think town reads are scummy why would you ask me this, how does me bringing it up make it ok?

Why would David posting a case against you make you think I'm town? Didn't you say so initially you were suspicious of me because you didn't like my reasons for attacking you?

I was unsure if you were totally town before the post I had made with FoSing you fully. Upon more investigation, I found that your "jumpiness" was more Town-Sided then Scum-Sided. David's case is just blarg overall, and makes me meh.

Way to side step away from I was saying. How does me being jumpy have anything to do with my reasons? And what "investigation" did you undertake or was just the flick of your mind?

How did the reasons you not like suddenly became townie reasons to attack you?

Can you tell me in great detail what you think of chkflip so far and who you think is scum if shotty turns up town? How do you feel about Empking?

I don't want to make a huge post/response to Shotty. From my skim, his counter-argument looked bad, so y'know.

Oh great, you get to bash his credibility without responding to his post. Nice.

Out of the two L-1 wagons, if by nothing else than the way he's responding and trying so hard to be helpful

How was shotty's posts more "helpful"? If anything Hiraki was the more informative of two and shotty didn't even give his big read until later on.

- Why would scum vote their partner in Lover's Mafia for distancing? They're dead if their partner is lynched. It might be more pertinent to look at who isn't voting who when it comes to that. That's my take, at least. Thoughts?

Oddly enough this seems to contradict your earlier thoughts about me and shotty, thoughts? Fun fact though, you never even looked at my Hiraki case. I take it you're his partner?

I find it quite likely the scum-team is maybe neither of these wagons.

Why?

Hiraki's scum, I feel it in me bones.

[chkflip]

@Lateralus:
- First, I was out of town for Thanksgiving. To be honest, I hadn't scrolled up to see you say some things about me, as I've been feeling worse and worse since I got back into town. I will happily respond to all of the things brought up as soon as some food stays down. Apologies.

[DavidParker]

Oh, don't get me wrong, I say it's "quite likely" neither of these wagons is on scum, because I'm quite sure shotty is town, leaving only the Hiraki wagon. I'd say I'm about 50% convinced Hiraki is scum (with either chk or emp) and the other 50% of me believes the scum team is between chk/Later/emp

[Lateralus22]

#62 (Hiraki):

I was unsure if you were totally town before the post I had made with

FoSing you fully.

I can't believe I missed this. This shows an inconsistency in his thought pattern because he never FoS'ed me fully and was on the fence about this for most of the time, he even said it was the opposite of this.

Or am I wrong and you're saying this is a typo?

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

Voting:
Hiraki: (3) Lateralus22 drmyshottyizsik, DavidParker
drmyshottyizsik:(3) Hiraki, Empking, chkflip

With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

[Hiraki]

Starts with IIoA, and then tells us pointsless shit that does nothing but create fluff.

The point of calling my "shit" fluff is...? Also, this is the third time you've said IIoA. Just to note.

IIoA/Sheeping/Obvious, and very unneeded fluff.

Perhaps I should start ignoring Lateralus, and y'know, stop making sense. I mean, questions usually need answers. This is just borderline asshole-ish.

So you plan on doing something "pro-town" the whole game, but not give us any indication of how or why you are doing it? Well... REALLY?!

That wasn't his question. His question was to elaborate on Townhunting. I found no reason why I should give out my tactics. Btw, you've done a lot in scumhunting, amirite.

We don't need to lynch town, we need to lynch scum. There are less scum to hunt for so it is easier, and way more pro-town. You sir are FTF

We're not lynching town? Oh, I guess these are one of those normal games where everything is assumed. There is no difference between townhunting and scumhunting except that scumhunting looks for scum tells, and town hunting looks for town tells, you can townhunt while scumhunting. I don't see why Townhunting is so scummy to you, it's really odd.

IIoA

FFS. You don't need to comment on random things if they're all IIoA, according to you. You make it sound like my post has 0% content.

FLUFF!

Right, we're back on the same page.

How can you say this if you've been town hunting??? So you have both scum pinned already? GO YOU![/sarcasm]

How the fuck did you conclude this? Honestly, I can take a reasonable hit, but there is absolutely no way that from that post that you could make that much of a pun against me. I believe, out of everyone here, that you're the most probable person to be scum.

That was my RVS vote! It's scummy to hold it against me!

I've covered this already, but just putting this here to realize that he calls it RVS twice. Did you not read the out of RVS discussion on Page 1 between Lateralus, Chkflip, and myself?

Um,,, ya no this is not true at all, you just either misrepped me or misunderstood what Active Lurking is.

Answer this. I am actually completely confused on what you find Active Lurking to be, and how you detect it.

You're right I'm not trying to push my RVS vote to a quick lynch! How

scum

town of me!

Again, I really can't see how you consider that to be an RVS vote. Methinks you're lying now.

How off your rocker are you?!?! Do I even need to pont out why this is scummy??? I am scum, because it doesn't feel right to you?!?!?!

No, that's just a conclusion statement. Obviously if that was my entire case on you, then yes. Then that would be quite scummy. However, I do seem to have a case on you above.

chk, I'm not saying that his IIoA is scummy, but I am saying that all of the other things i pointed out is scummy, your vote makes no sense unless you mis understood me

chk, I'm not saying that his IIoA is scummy, but I am saying that all of the other things i pointed out is scummy, your vote makes no sense unless you mis understood me

All the other things that you pointed out were mistakes in my case against you. There's nothing scummy about me in your case, to be quite honest. You did call IIoA Null, so I don't know how I'm now scummy to you.

Pssst. Guess what methinks.

Let's pause on Shotty for a moment. I found something quite queer at this point.

However, I still find

hiraki as probable scum although depending how day goes i'd be willing to hammer shotty later.

Does anyone else feel neither wagon is on scum?

What doesn't I make sense.

I mean, I don't really find DP that scummy, but. What is this. Not making much sense to me. Shotty still gets vote number one.

Oh great, you get to bash his credibility without responding to his post. Nice.

That was a mistake on my part for not proofreading because I was on my iPod. What I meant to say was that I don't want to make a large post on Shotty now. His counter-argument looked pretty poor from my skim. I still stand by that too.

Way to side step away from I was saying. How does me being jumpy have anything to do with my reasons? And what "investigation" did you undertake or was just the flick of your mind?

Both, I like reading the thread multiple times before posting something, and then revising. This is one of those moments.

How did the reasons you not like suddenly became townie reasons to attack you?

Because DP's questions are horrible. For example, his attack on me for buddying with Empking. I mean, what the hell. You could say I was buddying with the air at that point. Your questions, on the other hand, are legitimate. The reasons that DP attacked me with were not the reasons that you attacked me with.

Can you tell me in great detail what you think of chkflip so far and who you think is scum if shotty turns up town? How do you feel about Empking?

I will be reasonably surprised if shotty turns up town. In fact, at that point I will be stupefied. However, I'd have to say chkflip. I've gotten bad vibes from him so far, and I've been wanting to review his case because of arguments you had with him. I'll be honest and say I haven't really read those in depth. From DP's logic, both Empking and chkflip would have to be scum FMPOV, but from an un-informed stance at this point, I'd have to take a random shot at chkflip.

#62 (Hiraki):

I was unsure if you were totally town before the post I had made with

FoSing you fully.

I can't believe I missed this. This shows an inconsistency in his thought pattern because he never FoS'ed me fully and was on the fence about this for most of the time, he even said it was the opposite of this.

Or am I wrong and you're saying this is a typo?

It was a typo. However, the typo isn't what you're supposed to be focusing on. I believe you understand what I meant, the specifics weren't as important to me, as it seems.

I think I got everything there.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Hiraki Active lurking IS posting fluff in your posts and lurking threw your posts, that's how you ditect it! And you do it like hell!!!
-My first vote had no reason and was on page 2, it was RVS
- You calling me scum there is a huge omgus
- And no you have no case on me above all you said was,
1. I said IIoA three times(Ironicly more IIoA)
2. You don't share your tactics(Anti-Town)
3. You think it's ok to lynch town
4. I'm odd, for finding an anti-town thing anti-town
5. You assume I didn't RVS vote due to something someone else said.
6. You OMGUS'd me
7. Sounded dumb
8. And you called me a lier
^^Now if that's a case then... well no it's just not a case at all, it's a huge OMGUS to try to save your own ass.

[Lateralus22]

Your questions, on the other hand, are legitimate.

That's not the point. You disliked my reasons and they made you suspicious of me. David asking ones is completely independent of that and doesn't change my questions/whatever.

If they were legitimate how did they make you suspicious/not like what I was attacking you with? When you specifically said you didn't mind the act of attacking you?

The reasons that DP attacked me with were not the reasons that you attacked me with.

I can see why certain you ones you don't like, but some of his reasons were similar to mine.

It was a typo. However, the typo isn't what you're supposed to be focusing on. I believe you understand what I meant, the specifics weren't as important to me, as it seems.

That "Typo" changes the whole entire meaning of what you're saying and the previous thought process behind it. How were specifics not important when earlier you were so cautious as to say you didn't give me a full FoS? What exactly would be the "right" way to say what you were thinking?

When did you start getting bad vibes from chkflip, and which reasons do you specifically have that made you wary of him? Would he be your second lynch pick?

chkflip what do you think of Hiraki's suspicions of you?

Hiraki:

If you think Shotty is scum, who do you think is his scum buddy?

Note:

Eh Shotty, it's not OMGUS because he voted you first. Chainsaw maybe, but not OMGUS. What do you think of chkflip?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Later, I know he voted me but this was his first reasoning and his reason was that I was calling him scummy... and voting him, any way chkflip pisses me off, I won't be able to read him for while i can feel it in my bones

[Hiraki]

Hiraki Active lurking IS posting fluff in your posts and lurking threw your posts, that's how you ditect it! And you do it like hell!!!

We'll get to this later at the end.

-My first vote had no reason and was on page 2, it was RVS

Calm down isn't a reason? Hmmzorz.

- You calling me scum there is a huge omgus

Of course. My reasoning should be ignored.

- And no you have no case on me above all you said was,
1. I said IIoA three times(Ironicly more IIoA)

Which you did, and all of them were ludicrous. Just because I say something that seems irrelevant to you, doesn't mean that it's scummy. Not to mention, you said yourself that IIoA is null, so what's the point of emphasizing it so much?

2. You don't share your tactics(Anti-Town)

I did. I like Town Hunting. I look for who's townie, and then I go on from there. FFS, I said Lateralus was townie for his scum hunting, even if I didn't like how he did it.

3. You think it's ok to lynch town

Um. No, I don't.

4. I'm odd, for finding an anti-town thing anti-town

Explain.

5. You assume I didn't RVS vote due to something someone else said.

Something someone else said? No, you said calm down. I believe I'm quite sure of that.

6. You OMGUS'd me

Obv.

7. Sounded dumb

Thank you for the insult.

8. And you called me a lier

I did. I can't believe anyone saying that telling someone to "calm down" is an RVS vote. Sorry that's not in your favor.

^^Now if that's a case then... well no it's just not a case at all, it's a huge OMGUS to try to save your own ass.

If you're not going to respect my views and just call them all garbage with no reasoning, then you're just being an asshole at this rate.

That's not the point. You disliked my reasons and they made you suspicious of me. David asking ones is completely independent of that and doesn't change my questions/whatever.

If they were legitimate how did they make you suspicious/not like what I was attacking you with? When you specifically said you didn't mind the act of attacking you?

1) No, I disliked your mode of questioning. DP on the other hand just has horrible attacks.

2) Same as above.

I can see why certain you ones you don't like, but some of his reasons were similar to mine.

...Not really.

His reasons against me were silly, and your reasons against me were valid. I don't see how you could make a correlation between his reasons and yours, tbqh.

That "Typo" changes the whole entire meaning of what you're saying and the previous thought process behind it. How were specifics not important when earlier you were so cautious as to say you didn't give me a full FoS? What exactly would be the "right" way to say what you were thinking?

No it doesn't. I've only mentioned FoS one time in the game, that's what the point of putting that there was. I didn't put it there to discuss it more, I've discussed all I need to discuss about it. However, it seems that you want to know more, and therefore, being the kind and generous Hiraki, I shall give more.

When I said "not fully FoS", perhaps I should've just said IGMEOY. However, that's not the point. The point is, is that I was somewhat suspicious of you, at that moment, but thought about it more. Out of everyone playing the game, you and Chkflip, at that moment had to be deemed the most town, because of your activeness(null) and scumhunting(town). Does that help?

When did you start getting bad vibes from chkflip, and which reasons do you specifically have that made you wary of him? Would he be your second lynch pick?

I think it was when I fully read post #51. While it doesn't tell much, it did show that there was a greater argument between you and Chkflip that I had originally seen. Again, I'd like to assess the argument a bit more before making a conclusion on who may or may not be scum.

My second candidate for scum has to be DP. If there's scum on Shotty's wagon, however, I believe it to be Empking. However, I don't see why he wouldn't do more to change his mind or something. So he's cool for now.

Preview Edit. I'd just like to bring something up to everyone's attention, that I found during my read-through.

active lurking is lurking within your posts, not watching the thread and not posting.

Active lurking IS posting fluff in your posts and lurking threw your posts, that's how you ditect it! And you do it like hell!!!

First off, I'd like everyone to compare and contrast these two statements.

And I'd like to comment on them further as well.

First off, I'd like to say that you have never called me out on Active Lurking, and the only way you do call me out on it is by IIoA. That's only one of the things that you say make up Active Lurking. Doesn't really fit well.

Second off, the only person you have said that was Actively Lurking was Chkflip. However, you said this on Page 2. By your definition of Active Lurking, Chkflip has posted fluff in his posts, has not been reading the thread, and has not posted. Either that, or a combination of those things.

That's total bullshit.

Third off, your first and second definition of Active Lurking do not match up at all.

Fourth, why aren't you able to vote Empking for Active Lurking? Out of everyone here, he's the one who has done it the most no?

Fifth, do you believe that you wouldn't be under the conditions of Actively Lurking yourself?

I have concluded that there are

way

too many inconsistencies between Shotty's definitions, and the players who are actually Actively Lurking, between Shotty's two definitions. Take it as you wish. This guy is scummy.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Hiraki Active lurking IS posting fluff in your posts and lurking threw your posts, that's how you ditect it! And you do it like hell!!!

We'll get to this later at the end.

-My first vote had no reason and was on page 2, it was RVS

Calm down isn't a reason? Hmmzorz.

No it's a statement of something i want him to do I didn't call him scummy for it at all

- You calling me scum there is a huge omgus

Of course. My reasoning should be ignored.

You have no real reasons!

- And no you have no case on me above all you said was,
1. I said IIoA three times(Ironicly more IIoA)

Which you did, and all of them were ludicrous. Just because I say something that seems irrelevant to you, doesn't mean that it's scummy. Not to mention, you said yourself that IIoA is null, so what's the point of emphasizing it so much?

Because you and others are making such a big deal about it. It IS null to me

2. You don't share your tactics(Anti-Town)

I did. I like Town Hunting. I look for who's townie, and then I go on from there. FFS, I said Lateralus was townie for his scum hunting, even if I didn't like how he did it.

Do scum not have to pretend to scum hunt? This is a dumb reason for a read. And town hunting is stupid as well.

3. You think it's ok to lynch town

Um. No, I don't.

Really?!

4. I'm odd, for finding an anti-town thing anti-town

Explain.

You said that I was odd for disliking your town hunting

5. You assume I didn't RVS vote due to something someone else said.

Something someone else said? No, you said calm down. I believe I'm quite sure of that.

IDK read your post, and IT WAS RVS!!

6. You OMGUS'd me

Obv.

But you OMGUS'd me, I promiss

7. Sounded dumb

Thank you for the insult.

8. And you called me a lier

I did. I can't believe anyone saying that telling someone to "calm down" is an RVS vote. Sorry that's not in your favor.

I didn't say OMG YOU IZ SCUM BECAUSE YOU ARE ANGRY!! TOWN GET'S ANGRY TOO, IT WAS RVS AND I TOLD HIM TO CALM DOWN SO THAT HE WOULD CALM DOWN AND BREATH!!!

^^Now if that's a case then... well no it's just not a case at all, it's a huge OMGUS to try to save your own ass.

If you're not going to respect my views and just call them all garbage with no reasoning, then you're just being an asshole at this rate.

Nice way to ignore this part

That's not the point. You disliked my reasons and they made you suspicious of me. David asking ones is completely independent of that and doesn't change my questions/whatever.

If they were legitimate how did they make you suspicious/not like what I was attacking you with? When you specifically said you didn't mind the act of attacking you?

1) No, I disliked your mode of questioning. DP on the other hand just has horrible attacks.

2) Same as above.

I can see why certain you ones you don't like, but some of his reasons were similar to mine.

...Not really.

His reasons against me were silly, and your reasons against me were valid. I don't see how you could make a correlation between his reasons and yours, tbqh.

That "Typo" changes the whole entire meaning of what you're saying and the previous thought process behind it. How were specifics not important when earlier you were so cautious as to say you didn't give me a full FoS? What exactly would be the "right" way to say what you were thinking?

No it doesn't. I've only mentioned FoS one time in the game, that's what the point of putting that there was. I didn't put it there to discuss it more, I've discussed all I need to discuss about it. However, it seems that you want to know more, and therefore, being the kind and generous Hiraki, I shall give more.

When I said "not fully FoS", perhaps I should've just said IGMEOY. However, that's not the point. The point is, is that I was somewhat suspicious of you, at that moment, but thought about it more. Out of everyone playing the game, you and Chkflip, at that moment had to be deemed the most town, because of your activeness(null) and scumhunting(town). Does that help?

When did you start getting bad vibes from chkflip, and which reasons do you specifically have that made you wary of him? Would he be your second lynch pick?

I think it was when I fully read post #51. While it doesn't tell much, it did show that there was a greater argument between you and Chkflip that I had originally seen. Again, I'd like to assess the argument a bit more before making a conclusion on who may or may not be scum.

My second candidate for scum has to be DP. If there's scum on Shotty's wagon, however, I believe it to be Empking. However, I don't see why he wouldn't do more to change his mind or something. So he's cool for now.

Preview Edit. I'd just like to bring something up to everyone's attention, that I found during my read-through.

active lurking is lurking within your posts, not watching the thread and not posting.

Active lurking IS posting fluff in your posts and lurking threw your posts, that's how you ditect it! And you do it like hell!!!

First off, I'd like everyone to compare and contrast these two statements.

WHY THEY SAY THE SAME THING!! Active lurking is simple! And you do it soooooo much.

And I'd like to comment on them further as well.

Ok then do it, don't talking about doing it

First off, I'd like to say that you have never called me out on Active Lurking, and the only way you do call me out on it is by IIoA. That's only one of the things that you say make up Active Lurking. Doesn't really fit well.

I DID CALL YOU OUT ON IT! THAT'S WHY WE ARE DISCUSSING IT!!!!!!! I MADE A STATEMENT THAT YOU USE A LOT OF IIoA! I DIDN'T SAY YOU WERE SCUM FOR IT I CALLED YOU OUT ON A LOT OF OTHER SHIT RTFT!!!

Second off, the only person you have said that was Actively Lurking was Chkflip. However, you said this on Page 2. By your definition of Active Lurking, Chkflip has posted fluff in his posts, has not been reading the thread, and has not posted. Either that, or a combination of those things.

GOD NO I DIDN'T!! HE WAS ACTIVE LURKING!!!!!!

That's total bullshit.

FUCK YOU YOU HAVE OFFICIALLY PISSED ME OFF!

Third off, your first and second definition of Active Lurking do not match up at all.

YES THY DO!!!!

Fourth, why aren't you able to vote Empking for Active Lurking? Out of everyone here, he's the one who has done it the most no?

BECAUSE I'M NOT JUST VOTING YOU FOR ACTIVE LURKING! I HAVE MANY MORE REASONS AGAINST YOU THAN I DO EMP!

Fifth, do you believe that you wouldn't be under the conditions of Actively Lurking yourself?

NO I'M SCUM HUNTING AND MAKING CASES, YOU ARE JUST SAYING OH HE'S SCUM, OH I ATE WAFFLES TODAY!

I have concluded that there are

way

too many inconsistencies between Shotty's definitions, and the players who are actually Actively Lurking, between Shotty's two definitions. Take it as you wish. This guy is scummy.

MORE FEELINGS?!? GOD DIE! SCUM! MY DEFFINITIONS ARE THE SAME

[Hiraki]

This needs to be more organized. The numbers correlate to where you add your red text.

1. You voted him. If you vote a person, and tell the same person to calm down, I'm 100% sure that telling the person to calm down has something to do with the vote. If you honestly believe that it is an RVS Vote, you honestly can't see how odd it seems that you're voting Lateralus at the same time.

In contrast, if you voted me, and told Lateralus to calm down, I wouldn't be caring about this.

2. Ignoring something doesn't mean it'll go away.

3. No one ever talked about IIoA before you brought it up. You bring it up in almost every one of your posts now, if not all of them, and from my perspective, it's no longer null, but scummy. I don't have enough time to go fully into this, but I'll do it later. Just don't respond to this at the moment.

4. Scum can scumhunt, but I'm usually pretty sure that Town-Aligned People scumhunt much more than Scum-Aligned People. Would you agree or disagree with this?

Also, I honestly don't care what you think about Town Hunting.

5. Let's not play this stupid sarcasm game please.

6. Quote me. I'm 100% sure this is either a misinterpretation, or I never said this.

7. You're not making much sense of this. At all.

8. I promise it's not. See what I did there?

9. Yeah, this isn't really funny actually. I'm getting annoyed, to be quite honest.

10. It

really

doesn't look like that. Not to mention, what's wrong with Lateralus' "jumpiness"?

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1. Are you joking?

Let's compare.

The first one says that Active Lurking is lurking within your post, reading the thread, and not posting.

The second one says that Active Lurking is posting fluff in your post, and lurking through your posts.

Do I need to explain the extreme differences between these definitions?

2. This is how I operate. You don't need to comment on them. You can just delete it out of the quote. I promise, it doesn't hurt.

3. I am reading the thread, first of all. Second of all, you called me out on IIoA. Last time I checked, IIoA doesn't equal Active Lurking. Active Lurking, according to you, is applicable to lynching someone, IIoA is null. Am I getting something incorrect here?

4. How was he actively lurking. You have avoided the question completely and gotten into a hissy fit.

5. Well, that's what happens when you're wrong.

6. Ahh, see this where I explain the extreme differences.

Your first definition speaks nothing of anyone posting. In fact, your first definition says that the person only reads the thread and

does not

post. In your second definition, it's more about how the person posts, and the content in their posts. It speaks

nothing

about the frequency of their voting patterns, or such. There is a huge inconsistency.

7. That's not the question I'm asking. I'm asking if you could vouch for Empking for Active Lurking or not.

8. Of course, my reasoning at this point is invalid. In fact, I had reasoning?

9. No, there is no

feeling

here. This is hardcore logic. I am quite aware that you're completely wrong about Active Lurking, first off, and that your opinions about me are horrible. I have explained them, now stop getting pissed and answer to them, and I will answer back. Y'know. Like a debate.

@Lateralus and DP: Do you believe my case has some, or any validity? Why, or why not?

[drmyshottyizsik]

This needs to be more organized. The numbers correlate to where you add your red text.

1. You voted him. If you vote a person, and tell the same person to calm down, I'm 100% sure that telling the person to calm down has something to do with the vote. If you honestly believe that it is an RVS Vote, you honestly can't see how odd it seems that you're voting Lateralus at the same time.

It was RVS End of story. He was work up i said calm down oh well.

In contrast, if you voted me, and told Lateralus to calm down, I wouldn't be caring about this.

2. Ignoring something doesn't mean it'll go away.

obv

3. No one ever talked about IIoA before you brought it up. You bring it up in almost every one of your posts now, if not all of them, and from my perspective, it's no longer null, but scummy. I don't have enough time to go fully into this, but I'll do it later. Just don't respond to this at the moment.

ok so if you find IIoA scummy then you are obv scum

4. Scum can scumhunt, but I'm usually pretty sure that Town-Aligned People scumhunt much more than Scum-Aligned People. Would you agree or disagree with this?

Dis agree, it depends on the person, scum sometimes have to scum hunt more because they have to fake a train of thought

Also, I honestly don't care what you think about Town Hunting.

5. Let's not play this stupid sarcasm game please.

It takes two to play, so if you stop i will be forced to

6. Quote me. I'm 100% sure this is either a misinterpretation, or I never said this.

ok

7. You're not making much sense of this. At all.

no you're not

8. I promise it's not. See what I did there?

nope because i can't see you, but also u did

9. Yeah, this isn't really funny actually. I'm getting annoyed, to be quite honest.

ask the mod to mod kill me then

10. It

really

doesn't look like that. Not to mention, what's wrong with Lateralus' "jumpiness"?

What do you mean starting too! that was my first post stfu and die!

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1. Are you joking?

Let's compare.

The first one says that Active Lurking is lurking within your post, reading the thread, and not posting.

no i said it was lurking with in your posts NOT not posting, see the double negative there

The second one says that Active Lurking is posting fluff in your post, and lurking through your posts.

same much?

Do I need to explain the extreme differences between these definitions?

nope i think you were just incompitant for a moment

2. This is how I operate. You don't need to comment on them. You can just delete it out of the quote. I promise, it doesn't hurt.

3. I am reading the thread, first of all. Second of all, you called me out on IIoA. Last time I checked, IIoA doesn't equal Active Lurking. Active Lurking, according to you, is applicable to lynching someone, IIoA is null. Am I getting something incorrect here?

Technicly IIoA is a wiki scum tell, and so is active lurking, and just because active lurking isn't the first thing i called you out on doesn't mean i didn't call you out on it. I AM NOW CALLING YOU OUT ON IT!

4. How was he actively lurking. You have avoided the question completely and gotten into a hissy fit.

No I haven't you have changed the subject from you being scum

5. Well, that's what happens when you're wrong.

I'm not

6. Ahh, see this where I explain the extreme differences.

Your first definition speaks nothing of anyone posting. In fact, your first definition says that the person only reads the thread and

does not

post. In your second definition, it's more about how the person posts, and the content in their posts. It speaks

nothing

about the frequency of their voting patterns, or such. There is a huge inconsistency.

*Sigh*

7. That's not the question I'm asking. I'm asking if you could vouch for Empking for Active Lurking or not.

No I could not, it's scummy no matter who does it

8. Of course, my reasoning at this point is invalid. In fact, I had reasoning?

No you really don't have any fucking reason for anything

9. No, there is no

feeling

here. This is hardcore logic. I am quite aware that you're completely wrong about Active Lurking, first off, and that your opinions about me are horrible. I have explained them, now stop getting pissed and answer to them, and I will answer back. Y'know. Like a debate.

you are dumb

@Lateralus and DP: Do you believe my case has some, or any validity? Why, or why not?

[DavidParker]

Honestly, I read the last line (does your case have some or any validity) since it was bolded, but haven't read any of the rest of the last 3-4 posts, because you guys have no idea how to format posts to make them readable, and I've just woken up 3minutes ago so not going to try trek through them. Will comment later.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Basically dumb ass there makes a one line pointless comment about my case on her and calls it a case against me, then twists my words and calls me a lier and blows my RVS vote out of proportion

[Hiraki]

Shotty.

Stop avoiding the question and just answer it.

When I want you to explain a question, "ok" isn't a suitable answer for me.

Also, what other case can you make in a game of Lover's Mafia?(Rather than a case based on words)

2. I said "you" not me. At this rate, your second definition of Active Lurking matches up easily with it. Therefore, while IIoA isn't scummy, Active Lurking 2, aka IIoA in disguise, is.

7. Same as six

8. That's the point.

9. No because this is supposedly your meta. I will however ask you to stop.

10. Explain. I have no clue what you're saying.

There's no double negative.

Everything after that got me thinking borderline trollish. I mean, I really have nothing to comment on anymore.

[drmyshottyizsik]

active lurking is lurking within your posts,

not

watching the thread and

not

posting.

^^This gramaticly says activee lurking IS lurking with in your posts, NOT, watching the thread while not posting.

[Empking]

Yeah, at this point I think I'd be willing to hammer.