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[Cobblerfone]

Why do you care about others opinions so much?

Before Surye ninja'd me I was going to say it was semi-rhetorical.

@Surye, why you answering CMAR's question to me? Me-thinks CMAR was reaction-fishing.

[Surye]

Why do you care about others opinions so much?

Before Surye ninja'd me I was going to say it was semi-rhetorical.

@Surye, why you answering CMAR's question to me? Me-thinks CMAR was reaction-fishing.

Because I thought you post was bad and wanted to point it out.

[Surye]

Ebwop: And by you, I mean CMAR

[jilynne1991]

Ok, I don't think I'll ever cuss again, but seriously Vezo makes me soooo fucking pissed. I can't ever get him to reply to any of my questions and he seriously never posts and productive content. Honestly, I'd rather some mod ban his IP adress forever or something. I seriously believe he has mental problems, and he should not be allowed to play mafia. OK, sorry for my outburst.

[CryMeARiver]

That's exactly what I'm thinking. He makes me laugh because of his stupidity and oblivioun, but it makes me frustrated too!

Please explain why you bother posting then? What you're doing is generally called active lurking.

Um? Doesn't this second post strike anyone a bit odd when it seems jil is familiar with vezok?

Why do you care about others opinions so much?

Other's expressions of opinions are often great for scum hunting. Keeping note of D1 interactions can prove useful later. Why question and implicitly discourage questions, especially this early in the game?

I didn't ask Surye. I asked Cobble. I was testing to see whether he'd say something like that ^ or if he'd say something like "I wasn't sure myself so I was asking others to see if I was right."

PEDIT: Vezo has long been on the site and will never be IP banned.

[Surye]

I don't need to be asked questions to scum hunt. Discouraging questions is not very protown.

[jilynne1991]

...yay, Vezok gets to keep annoying me.

[Nocmen]

Like jilynne, I prefer being deliberate with my vote, even in RVS. However, I think there is enough interaction to be confident in my vote.

VOTE: earworm

because I disapprove of unjustified bandwagoning in RVS

. It's too easy for a scum to fly under the radar by casting a bandwagon vote on someone they know to not be scum and not have to come up with a convincing explanation.

Really.

You want justified bandwagons in RVs? If I had a justification it wouldn't be a RV.

/theoryrant
I like bandwagons in RVs because occasionally they provide enough pressure and/or spark discussion in a way to end RVs. My vote is much better used on someone who already has a vote, then just lay it down on someone who doesn't have any, or worse keep it in my pocket.
/endrant

This is a bit too WIFOM. Not too important, but I need to point out the use of WIFOM this early.


Mass claim is no. Not in this.

Vote: CMAR

Not a fan of the large meta usage for everything, and using that to call people town or scum.

That's exactly what I'm thinking. He makes me laugh because of his stupidity and oblivioun, but it makes me frustrated too!

Please explain why you bother posting then? What you're doing is generally called active lurking.

Um? Doesn't this second post strike anyone a bit odd when it seems jil is familiar with vezok?

Why do you care about others opinions so much?

Why wouldn't you care about opinions? Isn't knowing where people stand and swaying their opinion part of what's needed in this game, regardless of being town or scum?

I see nothing wrong with jil's replys to vezok at all. However, if he's annoying you, then that ends up as being detrimental to the town.

The main reads I have now is I feel jil and surye are town, CMAR is leaning scum. Rest are neutral.

[earworm]

@nocmen: perhaps because it's my own post, I'm just not seeing the WIFOM. Could you explain what you mean? thanks.

UNVOTE: C-Worl

Yeah, I'm getting town vibes from these posts. Not doing anything useful yet, but whatever.

VOTE: Sathoris

I think at this point there should be one scum on the CMAR wagon. I don't like Sathoris's reasoning for his vote, so my vote goes here.

[Ironhead]

Vote: ironhead

Don't care about meta. His attack on jil is too pushy for so little.

I assume you mean earworm, and not jil? If so, what about it do you find too pushy?

[Nocmen]

@nocmen: perhaps because it's my own post, I'm just not seeing the WIFOM. Could you explain what you mean? thanks.

UNVOTE: C-Worl

Yeah, I'm getting town vibes from these posts. Not doing anything useful yet, but whatever.

VOTE: Sathoris

I think at this point there should be one scum on the CMAR wagon. I don't like Sathoris's reasoning for his vote, so my vote goes here.

With RVS , the later votes, you can do two things.

1. Put it on a new random person
or
2. Put it on a person with a vote or two, starting a wagon.

The issue with 1 is that if you do that, then it isn't truely random, as you are purposely avoiding the wagon(s), which means that you either fear the wagon and being suspected from joining it, or you don't want to have an early wagon turn into a quick lynch.
If you go with 2, then you show that you don't fear being judged for number one, which leads right into WIFOM.

[jilynne1991]

Ok, I'm sorry, I'll work on my problem with vezok. *sighs loudly* I'm town anyways, and I really like winning. So, I'm willing to work on my problems for the good of the town. (And so I can win.)

[jilynne1991]

May I ask why you have a town read on me and Surye?

[Surye]

May I ask why you have a town read on me and Surye?

I'll be honest, I'm really liking jil's posting.

[jilynne1991]

Eh, well I have a habit of asking alot of questions especially since I don't know alot.

Currently, I have a town read on Surye...and that's all. It's kind of because of a gut feeling, but for every one of my gut feelings, I can usually also find a post or something to explain or back up what I said if needed.

Surye, who do you think is currently town or leaning-town?

[Nocmen]

May I ask why you have a town read on me and Surye?

Surye is his stance with questions and what he's said so far. Your's is from the interaction with vezo.

[vezokpiraka]

Ok, I don't think I'll ever cuss again, but seriously Vezo makes me soooo fucking pissed. I can't ever get him to reply to any of my questions and he seriously never posts and productive content. Honestly, I'd rather some mod ban his IP adress forever or something. I seriously believe he has mental problems, and he should not be allowed to play mafia. OK, sorry for my outburst.

I have no mental problems.

You on the other hand...

Let me tell you with words I'm hoping you'll understand: I do not care what you think about me. You're just a douche ass-hole shit. So I don't care.

As for the mass claim. I thought mass claims in open games are good because it limits the scum to claim vanilla. Unfortunately in this game we can't see the roles of others so no MC.

Also I didn't do anything scummy this game.

[Empking]

Vote Count 5

Cobblerfone
DeityKabuto
TheJakalope (1) - CryMeARiver
Nocmen
TheMask
Monk
Surye
CryMeARiver (4) - sorasgoof, Surye, Sathoris, Nocmen
jilynne1991
vezokprika
Sathoris (1) - earworm
earworm (1) - Ironhead
C-Worl (1) - vezokprika
Wredfar (1) - Monk
Ironhead (1) - TheMask
sorasgoof

Note Voting: DeityKabuto, TheJakalope, C-Worl, Wredfar, jilynne1991, Cobblerfone

With 16 alive, its 9 to lynch.

[Cobblerfone]

As for the mass claim. I thought mass claims in open games are good because it limits the scum to claim vanilla. Unfortunately in this game we can't see the roles of others so no MC.

That's an interesting idea.

@Empking:

do lynches flip a person's role?

[Empking]

@Empking:

do lynches flip a person's role?

Yes

[Cobblerfone]

So now I guess we decide if it's worth the risk.

I vote: Yes to Mass Claim

[Ironhead]

Other's expressions of opinions are often great for scum hunting. Keeping note of D1 interactions can prove useful later. Why question and implicitly discourage questions, especially this early in the game?

I thought this was interesting:

Why question... questions?

Indeed, why question questions? Perhaps because:

Other's expressions of opinions are often great for scum hunting. Keeping note of D1 interactions can prove useful later.

If questioning others is a valid form of scum-hunting -- and I believe it is at this early stage in the game, and I think Surye indicated agreement with this viewpoint -- then what is wrong with CMAR questioning Cobblerfone? Furthermore, Cobblerfone directed his question at

anyone

("Doesn't this second post strike anyone a bit odd...?"), so CMAR's response to it was invited; while CMAR's question was directed at Cobblerfone. So why did Surye jump in and take that question for Cobblerfone?

To his credit, Cobblerfone also identified questioned Surye's intrusion into this line of questioning in post #100. Surye's response -- that he thought CMAR's post was bad -- seems legitimate enough, but he still interdicted Cobblerfone's response.

The rest of Surye's posting doesn't jump out to me as being particularly scummy. But I certainly won't accord to him a town read for his "stance with questions," like Nocmen, as it appears to me that Surye is guilty of the crime he accuses CMAR of committing -- implicitly discouraging questions by questioning the question.

[Cobblerfone]

What is you're opinion now of the mass claim option, ironhead?

Mine is, if we want to mass claim ever, today is the only day that it'll be feasible. But after thinking about it, a middle-of-the-road approach might be better.

The only two options seem to be, "mass claim today" or "take all claims later on with a huge grain of salt".

[Cobblerfone]

Actually I'm not sure what I mean by "middle of the road" anymore. I thought I meant "take claims with a grain of salt" but that's actually the exact opposite side of the road unless you take "trust alll claims without counterclaims" as an option.

[Sathoris]

If we massclaim now then the mafia and SK will just claim vanilla and we'd have 10 people to sift through to find 4 baddies while the mafia would know all our power roles.

I'm strongly against and the fact that you're trying to get people to consider it has been noted.