Dr Who - Game over

[iamausername]

I don't see how having an overinflated opinion of his scum play in a different game makes him scum in this one.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

It doesn't. It does make it fun to lynch him tho'.

[MagnaofIllusion]

@Mod – I’ll be V/LA from 3pm EST today until Wedensday for an actual Vacation. I’ll have very limited access to internet, most likely by phone during that time.

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The amount of posts I see that are along the them of ‘I’m getting Town vibes from Zang despite his posting X,Y, and Z’ makes me suspect my read. Because I don’t see anything solid Town out of him. I sense some White Knighting may be afoot.

Hoppster’s post

73

observation about Zang’s inconsistent treatment of Ant and Snake re: content is a good catch.

CES’s

76

has definiatly crossed into complete uselessness from his slot. Bravo!

Still waiting to see response from Snake and Tar’s further replies to direct questions.

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Unvote
VOTE: Ant_to_the_max

Elaborate on why highlighting the word Yet in that sentence is good support for your vote.

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Since GMan isnt here, I'm going to go ahead and

Unvote
Vote: Hoppster

What happened to your stance that you were going to stubbornly have your RVS fun? GMan hasn’t posted and it was only 9 hours since you established said previous stance.

All this talk about inspecting the wagons for scum is bullshit. It's RVS, people can claim any reason they want for voting someone in RVS, and no one would be any the wiser as to who is who unless someone makes a big dumb mistake, which probably isnt going to happen when the people in question are experienced players. That kind of scumhunting technique is better suited for looking into newer players.

Veteran players can and do make textbooks mistakes when scum in RVS. Because they are scum. The specifically have to craft their posts as opposing to playing naturally. I can point you to [REDACTED] in [REDACTED] at some later point. Some more scum-points for Mr. Pappums.

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Any scum lynched because of the RVS is either because of chance or their stupidity.

You don’t understand what I am saying. I’m not saying that scum are caught solely by RVS. I’m saying that RVS can and does contain valid information that can be used based on later play to catch scum.

Outright dismissing information from RVS as useless is stupid.

You could randomly pick any 5 people in this game and odds are good that at least 1 scum is on there and that is pretty much what you are doing.

That’s a pure straw-man. I am hardly picking these players out at random. The fact that the first five votes of the game just fell on you isn’t random behavior.

Yes, all the uniformed players but the lurkers didn't. At that point I was lurking pretty hard. The lurking as well as me calling it town vs town was actually because I was uninterested in the game and to lazy to properly analyze your posts because they were so boring. It had absolutely no relation to me being scum and anything I do rarely does except when claiming and possibly when only three players are left.

Insert face-palm pic here …

[Tarhalindur]

We're on page 2, I'm not being passive, I'm poking and prodding to see where people show scumminess. I commented on the Nexus and Hoppster interaction as I think there is something of note, but I don't have a read on the relationship between them. My reads will solidify and I will take a stronger stance when I have one.

Uh, WHAT? Prodding my foot - summary does not prodding make, nor does simply answering other people's questions.

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In other news: I'm of two minds about Hoppster, need to see more to judge.

Hoppster and Nexus is probably a townie fight, with an outside chance of Hoppsterscum using questions to confuse the town. That's a very outside shot though.

What helped you to judge?

A gut read of "Hoppster and Nexus interactions look like the town-on-town fights I saw back before I took a break from the site, such as the D1 wagons in Mafia 87 - they're probably both town", solidified since that post now that I see you clearly taking stances in addition to questions.

Anyways, I think all this dialogue between Surye and Hoppster is just a bunch of meaningless noise, and the wagons were not useful at all other than clumsily getting us out of RVS.

Meaningless noise? Did it not help further any reads on either of us?

What about the dialogue between Nexus and I?

Is that why you didn't vote on either of the wagons - they were too 'clumsy' for your liking?

What exactly do you want to get or are you looking to get out of your GMan vote?


My gut is telling me this is a scum-post where pappums-scum has read Nexus' posts about people not commenting on wagons and pappums-scum resultingly felt it necessary to post some comment on the wagons. The opinion of "the wagons were clumsy" just seems really... feigned.

How did I not notice that post earlier? :goodposting:

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Seeing a FIVE-vote wagon in a Mini game RVS was a bit of a surprise to me - I think there's got to be scum somewhere on that bandwagon. I'll keep it in mind for later.

That only holds true if Zang is Town. Do you think he is?

Uh, that holds true REGARDLESS of whether Zang is town - seriously, RVS is a great time to catch scum distancing from each other. The speed at which votes four and five were placed on him, however, suggests that Zang is town, and is a major reason why I'm still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

1. What do you think of Zang’s “I’ve got no opinion” statement?
2. You were the third vote on said five person wagon. Ostensibly you know you are Town. What was your reasoning for further pushing the wagon?

1) Missed it in my original post. It's scummy, but I could see it coming from a misplaying Townie.
2) You know, I could have sworn I'd already answered this question... ah yes...

Can't speak for the rest of the people voting you, but I wanted a large early bandwagon to force people to take sides early, and you happened to be a convenient target.

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Hoppster is incredibly annoying to read. He constant refrain of “What reaction did you expect to get” is rather useless when he’s pre-empted the actual reactions from some players (Zang for example) with his questions. He’s peppered Nexus with a number of hypothetical questions that don’t serve any serious scum-hunting (“Would you put Zang at L-2 if he was at L-3?’) but more as a means to produce as “Gotcha, inconsistency” attack.

I agree with this statement. All Hoppster's questions thus far have been rather unnecessary and/or forced, and IMO it kind of sounds like he is trying to sound like he has a lot to say rather than actually having a lot to say.

Uh, really now? Barning with reasoning that has become craplogic given Hoppster's page 3 posts? Yeah no.

^ Because I'm RVS'ing GMan, and will continue to do so until I am ready to leave RVS.

RVS is not some separate part of the game that is independent from the rest. The notion of RVS is just the name we give to that awkward getting things rolling portion of the game.

That you want to cling to a vote that has no game relevant meaning in your eyes and not vote someone you specifically called scummy is very suspect.

Yes, I can understand why you would think that. I let my frustration with another game spill into this one and was pissed that this game took off so fast with the Hoppster/Surye dialogue. I did find Hoppster somewhat suspicious, but I wasnt going to let him detract from my fun in RVS. Once GMan replies in thread, I probably will vote for someone I find scummy, but not until then. :stubborn:

All this talk about inspecting the wagons for scum is bullshit. It's RVS, people can claim any reason they want for voting someone in RVS, and no one would be any the wiser as to who is who unless someone makes a big dumb mistake, which probably isnt going to happen when the people in question are experienced players. That kind of scumhunting technique is better suited for looking into newer players.

Since GMan isnt here, I'm going to go ahead and

Unvote
Vote: Hoppster

for making more out of this bullshit than what is reasonably concievable, and because his dialogue with Surye on his end rang hollow to me.

Minor FOS

on MoI for reading too damn far into RVS votes.

1) Uh, reasoning during RVS may not be valuable, but vote count analysis during RVS certainly is.
2) Please point out examples of Hoppster "making more out of this bullshit than what is reasonable conceivable" and where "his dialogue with Surye on his end rang hollow". I'm not seeing it. I AM seeing scum trying to discredit a strong townie.

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I am also not feeling this wagon on Surye yet either. He seems to passive? Is it because he is just answering questions directed at him and not retorting with questions back?

This just happened in my other ongoing game...If I find out what it means, I will let you know

How does something going on in a DIFFERENT game have any relevance to the quick wagon on Zang.

Because I was trying to make a witty comment. A quick wagon built up on another guy in another ongoing game of mine. It made me think of that.

1) No, it's because he's not doing anything to catch scum.
2) "I saw a similar quickwagon in another game I was in, so by commenting on it here I'm being witty." Yeah, that doesn't add up to me.
3) You say that you're not feeling the Surye wagon "yet". Why "yet"? I don't see pro-town reasoning for that "yet".

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This is pinging my scumdar a little bit. Zang has acknowledged the wagon on him, but then he doesn't pay any attention to who is on it. I would expect town to be looking more carefully at the people on the bandwagon, whereas scum would just look more generally at the number of people on the wagon.

Ok, I forgot CES was on my wagon. But why should I pay attention to it? Even more so, how am I supposed to pay attention to it? It's just an RVS wagon. I don't even see how I'm paying attention to the number of people on it. As long as it doesn't get up to L-1 and everybody unvotes then I have no opinion on it.

3. You have no opinion on the wagon? If I was Town and arrived to find a L-2 wagon on me Page 2 I’d certainly have an opinion of some sort.

Why should I have an opinion on it? What sort of opinion am I supposed to have on it? IT WAS JUST RVS! It was reasonless, it gives me no insight on who is scum and who isn't and it was completely random.

There should be at least one scumbag on the RVS wagon on you, based on the speed of the wagon - and on the raw probabilities, for that matter. In fact, with that kind of wagon speed there is a decent chance of TWO scumbags on the wagon. If you're town, why not try to figure out who it is?

It’s a throwback to ooba’s Smalltown Stardust Mafia. Jack and I got into a heated battle regarding some non-sense attack by him very early. Zang cruised in and called it a Town versus Town conflict. I very much see people calling early game interactions T v T without significant play to base it on as fairly effective scum-tell. I call it my Zang Tell because he’s the one who made it stand out in my mind.

In that game, it was a town vs town battle though and my alignment had very little to do with me calling it town vs town.

How much experience had you had with town vs. town squabbles D1 before that game? See, the reason I was willing to call Hoppster vs. Nexus town vs. town is because I've made a point of trying to identify them early after watching them derail townies (including myself) a few times (Mafia 87 D1 and D2 comes to mind).

Feel free to disagree. You are still dead wrong. RVS is as valid a part of the game as any other. Scum have and will continue to be caught during RVS.

Any scum lynched because of the RVS is either because of chance or their stupidity.

X

The first large wagon of the game is often the most informative wagon in the entire game.

Also, Zang: Who do you think is scum and why? It's four pages into the game, after the RVS, and I haven't seen any posts from you about that rather important subject.

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Jury's out on iamausername, but post 72 looks more like what I remember of iam-town than I saw earlier in the thread.

In other news, where the hell is bv310?

Mod: Vote Count please

[MagnaofIllusion]

In other news, where the hell is bv310?

A good question.

Even better question -

Where in the hell is GMan?

[Surye]

We're on page 2, I'm not being passive, I'm poking and prodding to see where people show scumminess. I commented on the Nexus and Hoppster interaction as I think there is something of note, but I don't have a read on the relationship between them. My reads will solidify and I will take a stronger stance when I have one.

Uh, WHAT? Prodding my foot - summary does not prodding make, nor does simply answering other people's questions.

And funny, I seemed to get reaction. Hmmm.

[jasonT1981]

Day 1 Vote Count 1

Zang 4: MOI, Corgito, BV3, Snake
CES 2: Surye, Zang
Snake 2: Hoppster,Tarh
Surye 1: Nexus
Hoppster 1: Rat
Ant 1: Username

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

GMan (1) has been prodded

[Tarhalindur]

In other news, where the hell is bv310?

A good question.

Even better question -

Where in the hell is GMan?

Wait, GMan is a player in the game, isn't he? And it's been 72 hours since game start, and I don't think he's V/LA...

Mod: Please prod GMan

(I still don't care quite as much as I do about bv310, but that's because bv310's random stage posts do NOT impress me. Top candidate for scum on the Zang RVS wagon.)

We're on page 2, I'm not being passive, I'm poking and prodding to see where people show scumminess. I commented on the Nexus and Hoppster interaction as I think there is something of note, but I don't have a read on the relationship between them. My reads will solidify and I will take a stronger stance when I have one.

Uh, WHAT? Prodding my foot - summary does not prodding make, nor does simply answering other people's questions.

And funny, I seemed to get reaction. Hmmm.

So you're claiming that you were deliberately acted scummy in order to draw reactions?

More to the point, who do you think is scum right now?

[Zang]

Why are you defending Ant's lack of content and then attacking SP's lack of content?

Ant was a page before snakes post and the only thing happening was you arguing with nexus. It was still debatable whether RVS ended or not. Besides, I didn't declare him as scum, I just said that I was minorly suspicious.

This claim is laughable. No matter how good you are at being scum, there is always going to be a difference and you're deluding yourself if you think you're an exception.

It's not because I'm so good at being scum, it's because I'm so bad at it. I just don't post with the intent to kill townies or purposely do scummy things in any way. I just play the same way when scum as I do when town and when town as I do when scum.

Also, how does me believing that show I'm scummy? Do you always try to lynch people at page three?

You don’t understand what I am saying. I’m not saying that scum are caught solely by RVS. I’m saying that RVS can and does contain valid information that can be used based on later play to catch scum.

I stand by my point. Any information in the RVS that helps to contribute to a scum lynch later in the day is either through chance or their stupidity.

That’s a pure straw-man. I am hardly picking these players out at random. The fact that the first five votes of the game just fell on you isn’t random behavior.

I don't see how that's a strawman. You are picking randomly. Your picking the  first five people to post, anybody else could have posted in their place and you would be talking about them instead. The fact that the votes fell on my is random behavior. The first person to post could have just as easily picked somebody else to vote for. 

There should be at least one scumbag on the RVS wagon on you, based on the speed of the wagon - and on the raw probabilities, for that matter. In fact, with that kind of wagon speed there is a decent chance of TWO scumbags on the wagon. If you're town, why not try to figure out who it is?

Like I have already said, I agree that there is most likely scum on it, but any attempt I make to find scum, if I do find scum then it would be mostly due to chance. Although, if there was something that was obviously scummy then I would vote for them.

How much experience had you had with town vs. town squabbles D1 before that game? See, the reason I was willing to call Hoppster vs. Nexus town vs. town is because I've made a point of trying to identify them early after watching them derail townies (including myself) a few times (Mafia 87 D1 and D2 comes to mind).

Besides that game I've had little experience with calling battles town vs town. Ive already given my actual reasons for calling it town vs town.

Also, Zang: Who do you think is scum and why? It's four pages into the game, after the RVS, and I haven't seen any posts from you about that rather important subject.

I'm voting CES and I FoSed two other people. If that doesn't show who I'm suspicious of then I don't know what does.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Do you always try to lynch people at page three?

I start trying to get people lynched on page 1.

[Ant_to_the_max]

I like Zang's defense in #64 about not really caring about his wagon.
Should he have honestly been scared about being lynched on page 1/2? I think some people here are trying to force things to be a bit more serious than they are supposed to be.

1. You are saying that the first five people to post and vote in this game just happen to randomly select you? Tar’s post alone where he RVS voted you and prompted discussion of that fact should clearly indicate there was more to it than complete randomness … Tar had clear intent to drive discussion.

I disagree with this. Why couldn't it be a random spur of the moment wagon?
And I think you are building up Tar's post WAYYY to much. His post was the third post of the game as well as the third vote on Zang. What did he want to discuss? Also, are you admitting that there was more to it than complete randomness? That would indicate that you,

narwhal

CES, and Tar had something planned. What is up with that?

I am also not feeling this wagon on Surye

yet

either.

Unvote

VOTE: Ant_to_the_max

I don't get it. You answered the question that was right after that sentence before you put this. But yet you still ripped this out of context to have a reason to vote me =/
I didn't fully understand what was being said about him and wanted a more descriptive reason. If I liked it, I might have joined the wagon. If not, I wouldn't have. And from your answer, I don't think it was a good case. Imo it is null unless he never follows through or does something.

Seeing a FIVE-vote wagon in a Mini game RVS was a bit of a surprise to me - I think there's got to be scum somewhere on that bandwagon. I'll keep it in mind for later.

That only holds true if Zang is Town. Do you think he is?

Uh, that holds true REGARDLESS of whether Zang is town - seriously, RVS is a great time to catch scum distancing from each other. The speed at which votes four and five were placed on him, however, suggests that Zang is town, and is a major reason why I'm still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Hmm didn't see this one till Tar actually quoted it. That is interesting that Magna writes of the possibility of scum being on the Zang wagon if Zang flips scum. Covering tracks if Zang actually flips scum here?

VOTE: MagnaofIllusion

Next scummiest person on that wagon could be bv310. Vote to get the wagon going, but then a side note "oh look, a counter-wagon for scum mates to join because joining the Zang one at this point would look really bad..."
But of course that is only going off 2 posts

[SnakePlissken]

I am

V/LA for the weekend

[iamausername]

Elaborate on why highlighting the word Yet in that sentence is good support for your vote.

Think about it. Why would a town player say "I am not feeling this wagon yet"?

We're on page 2, I'm not being passive, I'm poking and prodding to see where people show scumminess. I commented on the Nexus and Hoppster interaction as I think there is something of note, but I don't have a read on the relationship between them. My reads will solidify and I will take a stronger stance when I have one.

Uh, WHAT? Prodding my foot - summary does not prodding make, nor does simply answering other people's questions.

And funny, I seemed to get reaction. Hmmm.

Apparently Surye was disappointed when I unvoted him, because he's really trying to earn it back here.

It's not because I'm so good at being scum, it's because I'm so bad at it. I just don't post with the intent to kill townies or purposely do scummy things in any way. I just play the same way when scum as I do when town and when town as I do when scum.

And Zang apparently doesn't understand the game of mafia on even the most basic level.

[Ant_to_the_max]

I don't get it. You answered the question that was right after that sentence before you put this. But yet you still ripped this out of context to have a reason to vote me =/
I didn't fully understand what was being said about him and wanted a more descriptive reason. If I liked it, I might have joined the wagon. If not, I wouldn't have. And from your answer, I don't think it was a good case. Imo it is null unless he never follows through or does something.

Did you miss this?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Unvote, vote: Snake

[bv310]

In other news, where the hell is bv310?

Short answer: Working stupid hours. Had 16 hours of work in 24 yesterday.

Caught up now, and this is the biggest offender atm.

PPE:

Interesting little exchange between Nexus and Hoppster. The FoS on pappums was odd to me, as I don't see not jumping on a wagon or counter wagon page 1 as scummy. I didn't explain this because I wanted to see how he reacted to a page 1 vote against him.

Since when is this townposting?

MFoS: Surye

I wish I could respond, but I don't see the problem that you obviously do :/

unvote, vote: Surye

You really don't see the problem here?

Honourable mention of Scumminess goes to Snake, for completely ignoring the building cases and instead trying to reboot RVS.

Oooooh, Counter-wagons are fun.

Then why didn’t you try to start one as opposed to mindlessly wagoning along?

Because when I voted, there were only 2/3 votes on the primary wagon. It's not an effective counter until you're providing a clear alternative to the main.

^ Because I'm RVS'ing GMan, and will continue to do so until I am ready to leave RVS.

This bothers me. I don't like people who refuse to leave RVS when actual things have happened in the game.


Incidentally, to respond to Snake's 3rd Q: The Weeping Angels. Blink was one of my favourite episodes.

[Tarhalindur]

I like Zang's defense in #64 about not really caring about his wagon.
Should he have honestly been scared about being lynched on page 1/2? I think some people here are trying to force things to be a bit more serious than they are supposed to be.

No, but the question is, should Zang have been interested in who was on his wagon given its speed and size?

My current thought is that the answer to that question is yes, but I can see townZang not coming to that conclusion.

1. You are saying that the first five people to post and vote in this game just happen to randomly select you? Tar’s post alone where he RVS voted you and prompted discussion of that fact should clearly indicate there was more to it than complete randomness … Tar had clear intent to drive discussion.

I disagree with this. Why couldn't it be a random spur of the moment wagon?
And I think you are building up Tar's post WAYYY to much. His post was the third post of the game as well as the third vote on Zang. What did he want to discuss? Also, are you admitting that there was more to it than complete randomness? That would indicate that you,

narwhal

CES, and Tar had something planned. What is up with that?

Why yes, that is a three-vote random bandwagon in the first 10 posts

Can't speak for the rest of the people voting you, but I wanted a large early bandwagon to force people to take sides early, and you happened to be a convenient target.

I think t

I am also not feeling this wagon on Surye

yet

either.

Unvote

VOTE: Ant_to_the_max

I don't get it. You answered the question that was right after that sentence before you put this. But yet you still ripped this out of context to have a reason to vote me =/

I didn't fully understand what was being said about him and wanted a more descriptive reason. If I liked it, I might have joined the wagon. If not, I wouldn't have.

And from your answer, I don't think it was a good case. Imo it is null unless he never follows through or does something.

Underlined for emphasis.

The problem, Ant, is that there is nothing in the originally quoted post - or this post, in fact - to indicate that you were considering joining the wagon

because you thought he is scum

, and everything to suggest that you're scum who's waiting to see if a bandwagon develops on Surye before piling on.

Question is, is this because you are looking for a vulnerable townie or because you don't want to bus?

Seeing a FIVE-vote wagon in a Mini game RVS was a bit of a surprise to me - I think there's got to be scum somewhere on that bandwagon. I'll keep it in mind for later.

That only holds true if Zang is Town. Do you think he is?

Uh, that holds true REGARDLESS of whether Zang is town - seriously, RVS is a great time to catch scum distancing from each other. The speed at which votes four and five were placed on him, however, suggests that Zang is town, and is a major reason why I'm still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Hmm didn't see this one till Tar actually quoted it. That is interesting that Magna writes of the possibility of scum being on the Zang wagon if Zang flips scum. Covering tracks if Zang actually flips scum here?

VOTE: MagnaofIllusion

Next scummiest person on that wagon could be bv310. Vote to get the wagon going, but then a side note "oh look, a counter-wagon for scum mates to join because joining the Zang one at this point would look really bad..."
But of course that is only going off 2 posts

Bringing up bv310 only after - and immediately after - I comment that I think he's most likely to be scum on the Zang wagon? Something is amiss here. And something about the way you phrased your reasoning for the MoI vote bugs me on a subconscious level.

Caught up now, and this is the biggest offender atm.

PPE:

Interesting little exchange between Nexus and Hoppster. The FoS on pappums was odd to me, as I don't see not jumping on a wagon or counter wagon page 1 as scummy. I didn't explain this because I wanted to see how he reacted to a page 1 vote against him.

Since when is this townposting?

MFoS: Surye

I wish I could respond, but I don't see the problem that you obviously do :/

unvote, vote: Surye

You really don't see the problem here?

Honourable mention of Scumminess goes to Snake, for completely ignoring the building cases and instead trying to reboot RVS.

Something feels amiss about this vote.

Let me mull.

That’s a pure straw-man. I am hardly picking these players out at random. The fact that the first five votes of the game just fell on you isn’t random behavior.

I don't see how that's a strawman. You are picking randomly. Your picking the first five people to post, anybody else could have posted in their place and you would be talking about them instead. The fact that the votes fell on my is random behavior. The first person to post could have just as easily picked somebody else to vote for.

There should be at least one scumbag on the RVS wagon on you, based on the speed of the wagon - and on the raw probabilities, for that matter. In fact, with that kind of wagon speed there is a decent chance of TWO scumbags on the wagon. If you're town, why not try to figure out who it is?

Like I have already said, I agree that there is most likely scum on it, but any attempt I make to find scum, if I do find scum then it would be mostly due to chance. Although, if there was something that was obviously scummy then I would vote for them.

Why not push one of them to see if they would do something scummy?

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CES's lack of reasoning makes Tarhalindur a sad panda.

Iamausername is... I'm still working that one out.

[Ant_to_the_max]

No, but the question is, should Zang have been interested in who was on his wagon given its speed and size?

My current thought is that the answer to that question is yes, but I can see townZang not coming to that conclusion.

Maybe interested down the road once things pan out a bit.

I think t

I think that someone forgot to finish their thought
But I think I know where you were going to go. You were probably going to say that you did in fact have a non-random reason to vote him. I'm commenting on the fact that Magna said "Tar had clear intent to drive discussion" when in your first post all it said was "discuss". Not really the strongest way to drive a discussion
BUT, you do give a reason later. So if I concede the point that your vote was not random but had purpose, that still leaves 4 other people.

The problem, Ant, is that there is nothing in the originally quoted post - or this post, in fact - to indicate that you were considering joining the wagon

because you thought he is scum

, and everything to suggest that you're scum who's waiting to see if a bandwagon develops on Surye before piling on.

Question is, is this because you are looking for a vulnerable townie or because you don't want to bus?

Ok. Let's remember the exact original post

I am also not feeling this wagon on Surye yet either. He seems to passive? Is it because he is just answering questions directed at him and not retorting with questions back?

The reasoning behind the wagon wasn't making sense to me. I asked for clarification. I didn't see his "being passive" as being scummy so I wanted to know what was up with that case.
Honestly...I have used that word before and no one has ever made a big fuss about it before. I'm really confused here.

[Nexus]

Why aren't more of you voting Surye?

I'll only change my vote to Snake atm.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

CES's lack of reasoning makes Tarhalindur a sad panda.

I'm reasoning plenty, just fyi.

[Zang]

And Zang apparently doesn't understand the game of mafia on even the most basic level.

How exactly do I not understand it? Also, your lack of content really bothers me.

Unvote, vote: Snake

You're voting somebody because they're V/LA? How is that scummy?

Why not push one of them to see if they would do something scummy?

I don't understand your question.

I'm reasoning plenty, just fyi.

No, you're not. You may have reasoning but as long as you don't post it then as far as I'm concerned, you have no reasoning.

[Hoppster]

We're on page 2, I'm not being passive, I'm poking and prodding to see where people show scumminess. I commented on the Nexus and Hoppster interaction as I think there is something of note, but I don't have a read on the relationship between them. My reads will solidify and I will take a stronger stance when I have one.

Uh, WHAT? Prodding my foot - summary does not prodding make, nor does simply answering other people's questions.

And funny, I seemed to get reaction. Hmmm.

You realise you've still got your RVS vote down, right?

What exactly is the point of "teehee i baited u into reactionz" if you then don't follow up with a vote?

I'm voting CES and I FoSed two other people.

Am I the only person who thinks the choice of words in 'two other people' is odd?

It's almost as if Zang couldn't remember who he was suspicious of... yet could somehow remember that he was supicious of exactly two people.

Hmm didn't see this one till Tar actually quoted it. That is interesting that Magna writes of the possibility of scum being on the Zang wagon if Zang flips scum. Covering tracks if Zang actually flips scum here?

VOTE: MagnaofIllusion

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So shouldn't you be voting Zang?

UNVOTE: SnakePlissken
VOTE: Ant

Your reason for voting MoI is, quite literally, "lol this is suspicious if Zang is scum".

CES's lack of reasoning makes Tarhalindur a sad panda.

A sad and suspicious panda?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

You're voting somebody because they're V/LA? How is that scummy?

Nope, that's not why.

No, you're not. You may have reasoning but as long as you don't post it then as far as I'm concerned, you have no reasoning.

*shrug* It's a meaningful distinction, whether you like it or not.

[jasonT1981]

GMan has asked to be replaced. A search has begun

[Ant_to_the_max]

So shouldn't you be voting Zang?

Your reason for voting MoI is, quite literally, "lol this is suspicious if Zang is scum".

You have it backwards