Animal Rescue: petsPick (Game Over!)

Debonair Danny DiPietro · Post Post #1150 (ISO) » Sun Nov 27, 2011 1:22 pm

In post 1117, Vi wrote:
In post 1114, Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:Now given how much I've been ignored today; what purpose does me sitting here and telling everyone the same thing I've said all day really serve?
"Just let me lurk, please."

*Shrug* A better option than mislynching me.

xvart · Post Post #1151 (ISO) » Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:54 pm

In post 1108, Vi wrote:
xvart 1106 wrote:Vi - from your experience designing games with zoraster and modding conversations you've had with him do you think it is likely for him to include a scenario that occurs as Quilford has outlined?
Most of the games I've designed with zorotter have been mechanic madness, not role madness. I agree that standardization is a big priority for him. With that said, I'm curious to know (because I didn't look at the time) what it was zoraster changed in the rules after Quilford made his claim.

But the point in question is more a mechanics question in my opinion (roles resolving outside their stated resolution order. The fact that there is a stated resolution order is the kicker.

In post 1123, jasonT1981 wrote:I believe Glowball is now just trying to stall the game by trying to go over things already established to hold up a lynch.

Which lynch do you think he is trying to hold up?

A question for

Quilford

(and I fully recognize this isn't going to go anywhere today): why did you claim your one shot tracking ability when you did? Needless to say I am a little skeptical of the chronology of your tracking claim and the "now I have role related reasons" because you originally said you "doubted the motives of tracking Reck" and voted Llamarble then unvoted him to vote Ghostlin based on some sidebar with CES. If I counted correctly, prior to your unvote of Llamarble the vote count was Llamarble at 5 and Ghostlin at 3. For someone who has role related reasons for thinking Llamarble was scum you sure don't take a lot of convincing to jump to a lesser wagon.

Furthermore, the fact that VP claimed to be RBed shouldn't change your opinion of Llamarble if you didn't think two tracking abilities would be of the same alignment. From your alleged town perspective and being suspicious of two tracking abilities being of the same alignment you would think he is scum; or, prior to VP saying he was RBed Llamarble was fake claiming the tracking ability which would also be scum motivated. The fact that you so easily switched votes to a less viable wagon with all this in mind is highly suspicious.

Cogito Ergo Sum · Post Post #1152 (ISO) » Sun Nov 27, 2011 4:10 pm

In post 1151, xvart wrote:roles resolving outside their stated resolution order

The census taker ability doesn't need to resolve before the nightkill for Quilford's result to make sense; it just needs to give him information about an earlier point in time. It seems like a valid way of running a census taker role to me.

saulres · Post Post #1153 (ISO) » Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:27 pm

In post 1152, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:It seems like a valid way of running a census taker role to me.

Why?

I come from a computer programming background, so that's how I read the order of events. Zoraster confirmed for me that events resolve at their appropriate time (at least as far as my example goes), and don't happen at the start and then go into a "holding pattern" until they resolve. If they did, then in the example I gave in the linked post, the SK's kill

would

go through. But since it doesn't, that means it's looking at the "current" state of things when it resolves. So why would an investigative role return results from a "non-current" state of things?

I can't see census taker defined any way other than "Investigative". It comes last, so it should be showing the results at that time.

Do you think that if there were, say, a role which flipped alignments, that a cop's results would show the pre-flip result rather than the post-flip result, with Miscellaneous coming before Investigative?

Vi · Post Post #1154 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:45 am

In post 1151, xvart wrote:
In post 1108, Vi wrote:
xvart 1106 wrote:Vi - from your experience designing games with zoraster and modding conversations you've had with him do you think it is likely for him to include a scenario that occurs as Quilford has outlined?
Most of the games I've designed with zorotter have been mechanic madness, not role madness. I agree that standardization is a big priority for him. With that said, I'm curious to know (because I didn't look at the time) what it was zoraster changed in the rules after Quilford made his claim.
But the point in question is more a mechanics question in my opinion (roles resolving outside their stated resolution order. The fact that there is a stated resolution order is the kicker.

And again, this line of thought has a valid point, since no error in moderation has been announced. Even if it was filed under Miscellaneous, it wouldn't make a difference.

On the other hand, seeing SK kills explicitly listed in the resolution order reminds me of how much I would rather lynch VP Baltar Tomorrow.

To answer your next question, no, I don't have a concrete excuse to lynch Quilford based on his claim.
Or as certain players would say, "because GUT! >=D".

Cogito Ergo Sum · Post Post #1155 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:16 am

2 quick points, saulres:
1) the Census Taker role doesn't care for current information, so a Mod obviously has more freedom there
2) Census Taker is not Investigative (in fact, the category Zor uses is called "Investigations" which makes it even clearer); a Census Taker isn't fooled by Godfathers, Millers, Framers or Lawyers.

So now I'm going to make a flavour argument: what does an Census Taker do during the Night? I would imagine he either asks some Oracle the amount of scum, town and third-party in the game (e.g. at the end of D1) and the Oracle tells him or he tricks people into taking an online poll during the Night from which then deduces said information himself, in which case incorporating that Night's nightkill into the results seems somewhat unnatural.

Sotty7 · Post Post #1156 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:31 am

So I'm gonna make a turkey and cheese sandwich for lunch and after I devour it's yumminess I will hammer. I feel waiting for Ghostlin to claim is just delaying the inevitable anyway. So this is more if anyone else has anything to say kinda warning.

Cogito Ergo Sum · Post Post #1157 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:36 am

saulres · Post Post #1158 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:52 am

Okay, I've reviewed the case KK put against Ghost and while I'm not convinced based on that, I decided to ISO Ghostlin to see what scumminess I could find.

Near as I can tell, yesterday he didn't really do much. At best it looks like active lurking, but that seems to be endemic to this game, unfortunately.

So then I continue through the ISO but hit a wall when I hit this:

In post 747, Ghostlin wrote:I spent a sizeable amount of time going Llam/Jason are scum yesterday

...

You did? I just read your ISO, and I don't remember that. Let's see.

194: Your two scumreads were Lew and Llama. Llama for "Has contributed zero to town and all he's really done is restate the obvious." (Which is kind of what I was thinking about your ISO, really.)

Then we have:

In post 431, Ghostlin wrote:I would not mind the Llam wagon

Well duh, if he's your second of two scumreads I wouldn't expect you to mind it. I'd think you'd

want

it, actually.

Next is, um, well -- nope, that's it for Llama. Let's see about Jason.

In post 431, Ghostlin wrote:Jason, Amrun, and CES are all very content to let a scummy player with a Vig claim, no matter how limited; do whatever he wants tonight. Noted. It's quite likely one of these players is scum.

Okay, that's good, that's calling him 1 of 3 likely scum.

Six posts later (your very next one):

In post 437, Ghostlin wrote:I'm deciding if Jason's stupid or scum

Ah, so you weren't sure. Okay, let's see where you decided that Jason was indeed scum, and spent time going after him.

Looking...

Looking...

Looking...

Nope, that's it. That's the last you said about him.

Wow, you sure

did

spend a "sizeable amount of time going Llam/Jason are scum yesterday"!

If it weren't a hammer vote without a claim I'd put one on you. Your V/LA's over, get back here and claim or I'll hammer you at dead-- oh crap, I miscalculated. I won't be available at deadline, I'll only be available until about an hour before it.

Screw it.

Vote: Ghostlin

Llama, we're in twilight. That's your cue to post up a storm!

Cogito Ergo Sum · Post Post #1159 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:03 am

Haha, you totally stole Sotty's thunder. Sweet.

Sotty7 · Post Post #1160 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:05 am

I can't believe that just happened.

zoraster · Post Post #1161 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:14 am

Final Day 2 Count

Amrun ( 0 )

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(L - 8 )

Cogito Ergo Sum ( 0 )

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(L - 8 )

Debonair Danny DiPietro ( 0 )

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(L - 8 )

*** Ghostlin ( 8 ) ***

Amrun,

Cogito Ergo Sum,

VP Baltar,

Quilford,

JasonT1981,

Vi,

Kublai Khan,

saulres,

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(L - 0 )

glowball ( 0 )

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(L - 8 )

JasonT1981 ( 3 )

glowball,

Debonair Danny DiPietro,

xvart,

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(L - 5 )

Kublai Khan ( 0 )

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(L - 8 )

Llamarble ( 1 )

Ghostlin,

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(L - 7 )

Quilford ( 0 )

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(L - 8 )

Sotty7 ( 0 )

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(L - 8 )

saulres ( 0 )

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(L - 8 )

Vi ( 0 )

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(L - 8 )

VP Baltar ( 0 )

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(L - 8 )

xvart ( 1 )

Llamarble,

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(L - 7 )

No Lynch ( 0 )

Not Voting ( 2 )

Roxi, Sotty7,

Total Votes ( 15 )

Needed to Lynch [ 8 ]

Deadline: Nov. 28th at 20:00 EST

Ghostlin, the Mafia Owner of Jasper the Ninja Cat, was Lynched

Spoiler: Ghostlin

All Night Actions are due by Wednesday at 11:00 AM EST.

Tierce · Post Post #1162 (ISO) » Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:33 pm

zoraster, I have this game saved. Will let you know when I'm done.

(Whee posting in games I'm not on. >.>)

zoraster · Post Post #1163 (ISO) » Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:57 pm

oh man. I can't believe it managed to erase this.

Vi · Post Post #1164 (ISO) » Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:02 pm

In post 1163, zoraster wrote:oh man. I can't believe it managed to erase this.

Don't worry; it wasn't forgotten.~

ISO · Post Post #1165 (ISO) » Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:03 pm

(Getting this up ASAP would be helpful to the scummies stuff :/ )

Amrun · Post Post #1166 (ISO) » Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:25 pm

In post 1162, Tierce wrote:zoraster, I have this game saved. Will let you know when I'm done.

(Whee posting in games I'm not on. >.>)

Oh, thank God. I would be so upset to lose this game. It's one of my all time favorites.

Tierce · Post Post #1167 (ISO) » Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:35 pm

In post 1165, Scummies wrote:(Getting this up ASAP would be helpful to the scummies stuff :/ )

I'm doing what I can. The plan started with Priority To Ongoing Games, but I understand this holds other things up, so I'll be as quick as possible.

zoraster · Post Post #1168 (ISO) » Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:38 pm

thanks!

saulres · Post Post #1169 (ISO) » Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:44 pm

When you restore it, could you make one small modification?

In my last vote of the game, could you change it to

Vote: Kublai Khan

?

Thanks in advance!

Tierce · Post Post #1170 (ISO) » Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:15 pm

In post 1169, saulres wrote:When you restore it, could you make one small modification?

In my last vote of the game, could you change it to
Vote: Kublai Khan
?

Thanks in advance!

Since at the moment my games/posts don't even show me as a cultist, I have no allegiance to you or any kind of compassion about your fate. So nah.

Archived version of Animal Rescue: petsPick.

Please let me know if there are any errors/mistakes/etc.

Sotty7 · Post Post #1171 (ISO) » Fri Mar 09, 2012 2:35 am

I think I love you Tierce.

saulres · Post Post #1172 (ISO) » Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:24 am

In post 1170, Tierce wrote:Since at the moment my games/posts don't even show me as a cultist, I have no allegiance to you

I believe your sig is sufficient.

In post 1170, Tierce wrote:or any kind of compassion about your fate.

Damn

Roxi The Voting Puppy · Post Post #1173 (ISO) » Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:03 pm

In post 1166, Amrun wrote:
In post 1162, Tierce wrote:zoraster, I have this game saved. Will let you know when I'm done.

(Whee posting in games I'm not on. >.>)
Oh, thank God. I would be so upset to lose this game. It's one of my all time favorites.

Rawrf!

zoraster · Post Post #1174 (ISO) » Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:12 pm

Good girl!