PIRATES v. NINJAS! Game Over!

[Rosso Carne]

vote:TSQ

WHEEE!!!!

[The Fonz]

Claus and Fonz both have
dismissed setup discussion...
Consider Space Monkeys!

My point exactly
a minority knows stuff
flavour irrelevant

Or, to put it another way, each player knows whether they're town or scum. Scum know who each other are, town don't. It's basically irrelevant what the flavour is. Bringing up space monkeys hurts your case, since everyone assuming SM were town was precisely the problem, and that's exactly that sort of thing I'm objecting to here. Informed minorities and uninformed majorities act differently, regardless of what the flavour is. It's the tells arising from this we need to look out for.

[JordanA24]

Space Monkeys? I highly doubt Stoof would use the same trick twice.

[hasdgfas]

vote: Kison

For emphasizing the randomness of his vote.

[Thok]

I think it's worthwhile to be aware of the possibility of set-up craziness. I don't think trying to deduce the weirdness now is a good thing.

I also don't think Guardian is scummy for bringing up the topic. So

unvote Guardian, vote Sir Tornado

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[Thesp]

I'm seriously pondering whether or not it'd be worthwhile to force everyone into claiming whether they are a pirate or a ninja.

I don't want to see anyone random voting from this point on - it's now unnecessary/unhelpful.

[Gorrad]

Vote: Thesp

. As proven with Luke Skywalker and the opening text, there are those who are niether. That you didn't know this makes you #1 on my list.

[UltimaAvalon]

Unvote, Vote: Gorrad

Are you suggesting that mass-claiming is, in fact,

not

the pro-town thing to do?

[Gorrad]

That's not what I'm suggesting, however, the way I see it the pirates and ninjas are 'scumgroups' of a sort. Thesp said he wanted to force people to say which they were, making it seem to me like he wasn't aware that some people weren't either, therefore he is one of the two, ie scum. I have my doubts as to this theory, seeing as he'd have to pretty much have missed the opening scene, but it's at least a start.

[cicero]

Unvote, Vote: Gorrad

Are you suggesting that mass-claiming is, in fact,

not

the pro-town thing to do?

I don't understand this vote and accompanying language at all. Can you please explain why you are voting Gorrad to me like I'm a three year old. Thanks.

[Thesp]

Vote: Thesp. As proven with Luke Skywalker and the opening text, there are those who are niether.

I am troubled/saddened by the fact that you were so blatant about this.

[Gorrad]

Vote: Thesp. As proven with Luke Skywalker and the opening text, there are those who are niether.

I am troubled/saddened by the fact that you were so blatant about this.

I'm afraid I don't quite follow.

[Erg0]

I think Thesp was hoping to trick those who lack basic literacy skills.

[Guardian]

You can not just break
your sentences up. Haikus
do not work this way.

You would do well to respond to my substantive points rather than quibble over my literary style.

I find it highly suspicious that you have complained more than once about the random voting stage, yet are quite eager to avoid discussing the real issues I've brought up, have not brought up any real issues of your own, and have instead decided to focus on my writing.

In Ork Mafia, Gorrad, scum, copied my haikus/poetry.
I find it interesting that Fonz, UltimaAvalon, and MBF have done so here.

each player knows whether they're town or scum. Scum know who each other are, town don't. It's basically irrelevant what the flavour is. Bringing up space monkeys hurts your case, since everyone assuming SM were town was precisely the problem, and that's exactly that sort of thing I'm objecting to here. Informed minorities and uninformed majorities act differently, regardless of what the flavour is. It's the tells arising from this we need to look out for.

I don't see how Space Monkeys hurts my case -- the town went on assuming something that was wrong, and suffered for it. Discussion might help prevent such a thing from happening here, no?

I think Thesp was hoping to trick those who lack basic literacy skills.

I agree with this.

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No one has responded in any meaningful way to my points about UA's pirate avatar, or Iammars's confirming with pirate flavor. I believe the latter is a stronger point, and merits a change of vote at this juncture.

Don't dismiss this out of hand -- Iammars confirmed with pirate flavor -- he could easily be ninja scum who thought pirates were townies (pirates v. ninjas, a reasonable assumption to make). By claiming with pirate flavor, he gains points as being ready to look like a pirate -- but it now appears pirates are scum, too.

It seems that at least one reasonable explanation is that Iammars is in fact ninja scum who wanted to look a pirate.

unvote vote: Iammars

MBF, UA, Fonz are also on my short list.

[Gorrad]

I think Thesp was hoping to trick those who lack basic literacy skills.

Ah. Yeah, well...blarg. Not that I aprove of trickery or honestly think anyone would fall for that, but yeah. Sorry.

Unvote

[mikeburnfire]

You would do well to respond to my substantive points rather than quibble over my literary style.

It was difficult
to interpret what you say
when you talk like this.

In Ork Mafia, Gorrad, scum, copied my haikus/poetry.
I find it interesting that Fonz, UltimaAvalon, and MBF have done so here.

I find it funny
that I am on your short list
'cuz I spoke haikus.

[Guardian]

You would do well to respond to my substantive points rather than quibble over my literary style.

It was difficult
to interpret what you say
when you talk like this.

I don't understand why. A whole game was played with haikus -- you can't interpret one player?

I find it easier to distill the 17 syllables rather than make sense out of long paragraphs, personally.

In Ork Mafia, Gorrad, scum, copied my haikus/poetry.
I find it interesting that Fonz, UltimaAvalon, and MBF have done so here.

I find it funny
that I am on your short list
'cuz I spoke haikus.

I find it hugely suspicious that you *continue* to disregard all substantive points. You instead attempt to not address the point I've made about you asking for us to exit the random stage while not taking one iota of effort to cause this to happen yourself, and you try to make it out as if your copying my use of haiku is the only reason I am suspicious of you. Your representation of my reasons for being suspicious of you is... lacking. At best.

[Gorrad]

I am currently playing a game
Where I am doing the same
I did some haiku
When someone else did so too
My love of the art is to blame

Guardian- your head should not swell
That I like to rhyme is not a tell
If there's another poet
No matter my allignment
I'll join him in meter as well

Moreover that you should think
That this tell would make scum here sink
A "scumtell" for me
would not possibly
Push other folk off of the town's brink

[Twomz]

I am here. Lots of action going on while I was at work... I might be a little flaky until Wednesday but I will try to read and post as much as possible.

[mikeburnfire]

I find it easier to distill the 17 syllables rather than make sense out of long paragraphs, personally.

I agree. I thought maybe you were post-restricted though, so your haikus were what I focused on, not what you were saying.

You instead attempt to not address the point I've made about you asking for us to exit the random stage while not taking one iota of effort to cause this to happen yourself, and you try to make it out as if your copying my use of haiku is the only reason I am suspicious of you. Your representation of my reasons for being suspicious of you is... lacking. At best.

Ohhhhh. Okay. Well, here's my rebuttal:

Can you prove that my vote was not random?

[Claus]

1- Haiku's don't work when they are not in japanese. English has no mora, haikus in english are an aberration, and people who write them should be summarily killed.

2- Discussion about the setup is bad. We had two deaths (a gangplank death and a knife death), and a half-cop revealed. Now we should be concentrating on suspicious behavior, and getting someone lynched.

3- Confirming with a "Yar, captain" is not a pirate/ninja/whatever tell. Pirates are cool, even if they are scum in this game. I was planning to do my opening vote similarly, but cicero's and Guardian's posts gave me a better and less random idea.

4- This is space for sale

5- I like the Gorrad Bandwagon more than the TSQ one. Mainly because Gorrad seems to be even more concerned with cracking the setup open than Guardian.

Unvote. Vote: Gorrad

6- expect me to skip any posts that contains more than 3 paragraphs.

[Mr Stoofer]

Vote Count

Gorrad: 5 (Fritzler, Flameaxe, The Fonz, UltimaAvalon, Claus)
UltimaAvalon: 3 (JordanA24, Guardian, Erg0)
Thestatusquo: 3 (mikeburnfire, KaleiÐoscøpe, Rosso Carne)
Kison: 2 (Sir Tornado, hasdgfas)
Claus: 1 (cicero)
cicero: 1 (Iammars)
hasdgfas: 1 (Kison)
Skruffs: 1 (Samruc)
Sir Tornado: 1 (Thok)
Iammars: 1 (Guardian)

Not voting: 6 (Mgm, Skruffs, Thesp, Thestatusquo, Twomz, Gorrad)

13 to lynch!

Deadline will be ~20th February

Under Rule [05], nobody would be lynched at deadline

[UltimaAvalon]

Guardian, how can you say I'm copying you, when we've only played one game together that I can recall, and there were no haikus by you there, AND you posted before me and that post had no haiku?

How can you say I'm stealing your haikus when a majority of your haikus don't even follow the correct meter?

And last, yes, my avatar portrays a pirate, but my haiku was written from the point-of-view of a ninja. Way to pick up on that, mate. Does the avatar make me a pirate? Does the haiku make me a ninja? Do the two cancel each other out? Do the haikus make you a ninja?

I suggest that in the future, you find real reasons to throw the scum-flag on people rather than MSU

[Erg0]

2- Discussion about the setup is bad. We had two deaths (a gangplank death and a knife death), and a half-cop revealed. Now we should be concentrating on suspicious behavior, and getting someone lynched.

Interesting that you ignored the apparent double kill here...

[Claus]

No, I didn't. At least not in the part you quoted

Point 2 only contains mod given information. Discussing past what the mod has already given us goes into FUD territory.

If you REALLY wanted to pick on me for being contradictory, on point 3 I actually go out and say that I think pirates are scum.

Take that!