Mini 2286: Legends of the Hidden Temple IV (Explorers Win!)

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Hi, never seen the show, just read a previous game and it looks quite cool. I don't think any of your RVS votes are doing anything, but I don't want to RVS challenge either

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4 Mafia this game is going to be tough, I can see why certain pairs which trust each other might not want to challenge as well which makes it difficult. Might have to use some group pressure to coerce someone into a challenge when the time is right. Can you challenge unilaterally or do both players in a pair have to do it?

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I think my gut impulse is to townread both yume and Nancy for caring about this emoji thing.

4 Mafia this game is going to be tough, I can see why certain pairs which trust each other might not want to challenge as well which makes it difficult. Might have to use some group pressure to coerce someone into a challenge when the time is right. Can you challenge unilaterally or do both players in a pair have to do it?

Got anything else?

Emojis are what I'd call 'reading too much into things' but you never know.

Not really is the answer to your question. I can't tell what Aisa is yet, we haven't posted much in our PT. mastina's list is premature as ever but from experience her early reads are surprisingly accurate when she's town.

Do you have anything else?

What else did you think I might have?

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Oh, it's absolutely reading too much into things, but I think thats possibly a town thing to do.

I gave a couple mild reads, I'd say that's pretty good for me by page 4. So I don't have much else yet.

I thought you might have some takes and I felt your post was a bit IIOA/posting just to post so wanted to poke at it.

How often have you played with mastina?

Datisi's Cafe and House of the Dragon are the completed games that I can remember. I don't really have takes yet, I'll read again and see if anything strikes me

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Bonjour VOTE: Hasvhel Cedricson

This isn't a strong feeling but I've noticed scum tend to interact with the mod a lot in my experience, more than town do.

The More You Know

Why even post this? Could be mafia

Sigh

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Same feeling with this

Like, I dunno how to explain it in the way those who weren't around in that game would understand.

Well, it's like a sideways heart emoji.

Like this <3?

Yea.

This whole exchange makes me townlean Yume, I also townlean Nancy so far. But maybe you (Cephrir) made me think that way.

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Why even post this? Could be mafia

what does this mean

are mafia more likely to post random crap

There's certain random crap that seems sus to me and certain random crap that doesn't

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Oh, it's absolutely reading too much into things, but I think thats possibly a town thing to do.

I gave a couple mild reads, I'd say that's pretty good for me by page 4. So I don't have much else yet.

I thought you might have some takes and I felt your post was a bit IIOA/posting just to post so wanted to poke at it.

How often have you played with mastina?

i don't like 80 it sounds stiff

Multiquote is fun

Yeah I felt like the label of 'IIOA' was a bit early seeing as all I'd done was 1 post or something, that's a concept that I tend to think about later in the game.

I'm not really seeing Cephrir as suspicious though, not more than others anyway

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Why even post this? Could be mafia

what does this mean

are mafia more likely to post random crap

There's certain random crap that seems sus to me and certain random crap that doesn't

why is "THE MORE YOU KNOW" sus

It's because it's sort of a meme, I associate memes with mafia

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Why even post this? Could be mafia

what does this mean

are mafia more likely to post random crap

There's certain random crap that seems sus to me and certain random crap that doesn't

why is "THE MORE YOU KNOW" sus

It's because it's sort of a meme, I associate memes with mafia

(Surprised Pikachu)

Not all memes, just that one really, it depends

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Now if I was Mafia, I might post a meme in the Mafia PT about this.

But I'm not, so I won't.

Dear Mafia, definitely don't check your PT, because I haven't just posted a meme in there, because I'm not Mafia.

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i think furative and cephy are both mafia at this point

I can see furtive rn

Noted

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I think Meg, then Ythan, then Gamma, then Hu Tao replacement, then Cephrir for the sus ones

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I explained most already, Gamma feels a bit strategic like they're choosing to push against me after you said Ceph and me.

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I didn't like their more recent posting either

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I don't have a great read on Aisa so far. I have 1 game experience when they were town, and another one when they were in a hydra iirc. They aren't really top of my suspects or even in that list.

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I think focusing on elimination is the most important thing in any game, we can't leave like in a dance game so I don't see why it's particularly important to read your teammate correctly

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Right now I think 4 Mafia are within [Cephrir, Gamma Emerald, MegAzumarill, The Worst, Ythan]

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I think it's weak sauce. it's skimmed milk - dyed water.
Ironically comes labelled with red.

Considering our teammates are potentially scum, we need to get the feel on them asap as far as I'm bothered, I promise you Nancy and me will be constantly checking each other.

Treating this as some weird open-hydra thing sets bells off for me. Is your PT active?

My priority currently is working out Nancys alignment.
If I think she's red, I'll be open about it and encourage challenges on us for it.
If I think she's green, its hydra time.

I agree there's a mechanical reason to prioritise sorting your partner, since challenging a team also impacts your partner. I think having a good read on your partner is one resource and there are paths to winning that don't involve that.

Is your accusation that furtive is too chill about my alignment or something else?

The PT has 8 posts between me and furtive. I'd call it moderately active, we haven't solved string theory yet, but hey, maybe by the end of the game.

My accusation is furtive already seems to want to avoid scrutiny and seems to want to avoid finding out your alignment. There's either a mechanical blunder here, or badly disguised intent. I remember him being a little stronger on both sides so I'm going to start throwing accusations and see what sticks for now. ftr The Blue Barracudas have 11 and we're already comparing reads. I've only been active today.

I don't think I'd want to 'avoid finding out Aisa's alignment' even if I was mafia - really unsure of what you're accusing me of with that one.

I don't think interrogating someone in a PT is conducive to reading them for alignment, nor do I have enough of a read on Aisa yet to declare and evidence it for the whole group. I'd say a townlean so far based on them feeling similar to previous games. If that read was more negative then I'd be more worried about my teammate, which seems fairly obvious to me.

If I had to guess, Flea, I'd say you're deliberately making quite dubious statements about me that you don't even believe, in order to try and sort me by my response. I recently read the endgame of Chromavalon, you seemed to think I was obvious by virtue of passivity (and your role). I think you're town for this, but I don't have confidence that you'll read me correctly, since I called you town when I was scum in that game.

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furtive is giving me that vibe.

Each slot is still its own slot, the teams is an additional mechanic

Don't know what you want from me wrt this

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Fae knew I was Mafia, in a hydra with Nancy Drew 39

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But maybe you (Cephrir) made me think that way.

What did you mean by this?

When Cephrir said that the Yume/Nancy exchange about the emoji was towny, that could have influenced my similar thinking

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Fae knew I was Mafia, in a hydra with Nancy Drew 39

You were also extremely obvious scum in that as well, so probably would have sr you even without that. Only one that I wasn’t confident on was Umlaut slot.

If we're bragging, then I had the right Muses solve

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I don't think I'd want to 'avoid finding out Aisa's alignment' even if I was mafia - really unsure of what you're accusing me of with that one.

I don't think interrogating someone in a PT is conducive to reading them for alignment, nor do I have enough of a read on Aisa yet to declare and evidence it for the whole group. I'd say a townlean so far based on them feeling similar to previous games. If that read was more negative then I'd be more worried about my teammate, which seems fairly obvious to me.

If I had to guess, Flea, I'd say you're deliberately making quite dubious statements about me that you don't even believe, in order to try and sort me by my response. I recently read the endgame of Chromavalon, you seemed to think I was obvious by virtue of passivity (and your role). I think you're town for this, but I don't have confidence that you'll read me correctly, since I called you town when I was scum in that game.

You know I love a good game of screw around and find out.
Thing here is, you don't mention your partner at all. Nothing, nada, ziltch. But you're happy throwing out reads on most others.

I think I already answered this in that I'm more interested in projecting my scumreads than townreads. My vocal reads have mostly been scumreads, and the townleans I shared (Yume and Nancy) are about at the same level as my townlean on Aisa.

Also this.

I think focusing on elimination is the most important thing in any game, we can't leave like in a dance game so I don't see why it's particularly important to read your teammate correctly

I think the opposite. I think it's vital to sort your teammate. Thats the person you either need to defend or push hard because of how eliminations work in this setup. PTs I think are vital to helping learn to read a person, guards are usually a little further down, especially given you've entered this as a team.

As I said before, if I start scumreading Aisa, I'll raise the alarm. But so far, I'm not.

Chromavalon was a while ago, and how my brain works has changed a lot since. For one thing that I can have a Bionic Text thing on this makes reading it a hell of a lot easier for me.

Curious how you twist that I don't believe what i'm saying, one of my things for mafia is I do my best to remain as truthful as possible and I mean what I say.
Unsure how you're not seeing the conviction here.

I just thought it was a really strange stretch to imply I didn't want to sort my teammate for a usually reasonable user. Of course I want to sort everyone, but my priority sorts are always scumreads.

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Yes I agree with you, so does mastina

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Yes I agree with you, so does mastina

Are you bussing?

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furtive what are your like 3 or 4 strongest reads rn

pedit: 24/7

I'm gonna commit to townreading mastina despite being fooled last time, just because we agree so much
Aisa does seem quite towny in our PT, and in the main thread a bit

Meg just ticking all of my boxes early game for scumplay
Gamma Emerald timing and manner of their sus on me was off, felt like a strategic decision

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am i crazy for thinking you haven't explained your megazu read at all you keep just saying vague things like what you just said

Entire ISO is filler and really lukewarm takes like randomly towning players in that casual manner

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I haven't really got aisa worked out yet. I think their tone is solid and I think they like you but i feel like I'm waiting for a bit more development. Is there anything itt you can point to that's enforcing that read or like, what % of it is hood related fypov?

Like you said, mostly a tonal read. They seem quite natural

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Funnily, the word "passive" came to mind before furtive mentioned it. I think "furtive is being a little passive" feels like a more precise read of the situation than "furtive committed a mechanical blunder".

As in, I think his behaviour may be simply be the result of having limited time and not valuing sorting his teammate as much as Nancy or Flea do.

I've touched on this, but I think that there are multiple ways a Townie can make themselves useful in this setup. The neighbourhood is definitely a resource, but having a nullread on your teammate and good reads on the rest of the playerlist would also be very helpful.

In short, I guess that the accusation Flea is levelling here is that furtive doesn't seem to prioritise sorting me, but I don't see how that's scum-indicative.

This is interesting, as this is a 18 minute later clarification and deflection on furtives behalf as well as a nice lil twist on what I've said so far.

Wow I wonder what you're really subtly implying here...oh no if I infer anything from this then it reveals my very sus defensive pov how smart of you

A neighbourhood is a powerful tool for both town and scum. if you're both town as well thats even better as you can collab reads and build cases together, thats two voices acting as one.

Nancys been proven an amazing hydra partner many many times in the past, having a neighbourhood with her where I know shes town makes us stupid good.

To respond to this and Nancy's point about teams in this game, the strength of Masons as a role is not the PT, it's knowing each other are town, which will never be possible in this game no matter how strong the townread on your teammate is. Even taking Masons as an example, I can't think of many uses for a PT besides preserving reads across a night on which you die. Very limited uses.

Now for the twist, you're stating that I believe furtive not prioritising sorting you is scum-indicative.
I haven't said that, at all - though I can see the skimmed milk off hand comment being seen as such.

Wow Aisa that was sus to infer that Flea sussed me, when fae literally said it in 164 and probably other posts, insanely sus

Where I started was curiosity about furtive

seeming to take the team as a single entity, not two entities

. Further digging gave the absence of you. No read on you, this seems odd to me so I decided to poke it. Where I stand at the moment is I'm still a bit sus that furtive seems to be secretive.

When did I do the bolded. Literally never did I take the team as a single entity. This is a complete cap. How was I meant to get a read on Aisa's initial posts? Did you? Our PT was practically empty.

The word choice and flow is very very short and minimal

. It betrays no information beyond simple answers. How I read people is in how they write.

I don't think this is true about my ISO in this game. Obviously this will be somewhat subjective, others are free to weigh in.

You, for example are using short, chained statements. You also state something then either give a justification or an excuse for it. You're attempting to be dismissive of this and claiming there's reasons for both. You're using an active defence with indirect defences.

Its interesting, and amusingly puts more sus on you from my side

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You might be too far tunneled for help from me at this point. Good luck getting me/us killed then, it won't be easy

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Yes I agree with you, so does mastina

Are you bussing?

This seems odd, what drove this?

My myriad scumreads, of which you are one

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Yes I agree with you, so does mastina

Are you bussing?

This seems odd, what drove this?

I think I’m liking Gamma so far, not a super strong read yet but not picking up any weirdness.

Weirdness: They sussed me after STD sussed me and Ceph. That's an associative. That's a decision. It was unexplained and still is.

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Yes I agree with you, so does mastina

Are you bussing?

This seems odd, what drove this?

My myriad scumreads, of which you are one

riiiight

I think I am right, that's the thing

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Yes I agree with you, so does mastina

Are you bussing?

This seems odd, what drove this?

I think I’m liking Gamma so far, not a super strong read yet but not picking up any weirdness.

Weirdness: They sussed me after STD sussed me and Ceph. That's an associative. That's a decision. It was unexplained and still is.

I like this reaction from you. I could be wrong. I think I like Yume, STD and Mastina the best so far.

Have a read of STD's ISO in schadd's recent Large Normal. I think they could be a dark horse. Not really committed to a read on them yet.

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Spoiler:

Funnily, the word "passive" came to mind before furtive mentioned it. I think "furtive is being a little passive" feels like a more precise read of the situation than "furtive committed a mechanical blunder".

As in, I think his behaviour may be simply be the result of having limited time and not valuing sorting his teammate as much as Nancy or Flea do.

I've touched on this, but I think that there are multiple ways a Townie can make themselves useful in this setup. The neighbourhood is definitely a resource, but having a nullread on your teammate and good reads on the rest of the playerlist would also be very helpful.

In short, I guess that the accusation Flea is levelling here is that furtive doesn't seem to prioritise sorting me, but I don't see how that's scum-indicative.

This is interesting, as this is a 18 minute later clarification and deflection on furtives behalf as well as a nice lil twist on what I've said so far.

Wow I wonder what you're really subtly implying here...oh no if I infer anything from this then it reveals my very sus defensive pov how smart of you

A neighbourhood is a powerful tool for both town and scum. if you're both town as well thats even better as you can collab reads and build cases together, thats two voices acting as one.

Nancys been proven an amazing hydra partner many many times in the past, having a neighbourhood with her where I know shes town makes us stupid good.

To respond to this and Nancy's point about teams in this game, the strength of Masons as a role is not the PT, it's knowing each other are town, which will never be possible in this game no matter how strong the townread on your teammate is. Even taking Masons as an example, I can't think of many uses for a PT besides preserving reads across a night on which you die. Very limited uses.

Now for the twist, you're stating that I believe furtive not prioritising sorting you is scum-indicative.
I haven't said that, at all - though I can see the skimmed milk off hand comment being seen as such.

Wow Aisa that was sus to infer that Flea sussed me, when fae literally said it in 164 and probably other posts, insanely sus

Where I started was curiosity about furtive

seeming to take the team as a single entity, not two entities

. Further digging gave the absence of you. No read on you, this seems odd to me so I decided to poke it. Where I stand at the moment is I'm still a bit sus that furtive seems to be secretive.

When did I do the bolded. Literally never did I take the team as a single entity. This is a complete cap. How was I meant to get a read on Aisa's initial posts? Did you? Our PT was practically empty.

The word choice and flow is very very short and minimal

. It betrays no information beyond simple answers. How I read people is in how they write.

I don't think this is true about my ISO in this game. Obviously this will be somewhat subjective, others are free to weigh in.

You, for example are using short, chained statements. You also state something then either give a justification or an excuse for it. You're attempting to be dismissive of this and claiming there's reasons for both. You're using an active defence with indirect defences.

Its interesting, and amusingly puts more sus on you from my side

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You might be too far tunneled for help from me at this point. Good luck getting me/us killed then, it won't be easy

This style of response really really irks me...

That's funny, your post irked me.

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I'm going to bed now. I think the worst should challenge the Orange Iguanas, and that votepool would do me for D1.

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Just briefly though Flea, bottom line is I think you and Aisa are both town.

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Gnight, love to know why you're thinking that in the morning and if you still stand by it.

Yeh I do, I'd like to vote off Meg or GE primarily

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Ftr I think Ythan is town since I see no real buddying or pocketing going on rn in our thread from her

Sounds like you are being pocketed /s

StD could you elaborate on your furtive scumread?

Based on? Where is Ythan pocketing Gamma?

Gamma: I see no evidence I’m being pocketed by Ythan.

Mega: sounds like you’re being pocketed by her. Dafuq?

“/s” means it was sarcasm

This is GE's first mention of Meg in the main thread.

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I can see why certain pairs which trust each other might not want to challenge as well which makes it difficult.

Can you explain your thought process here to me?

I can see why certain pairs, trusting each other, would rather put pressure on 2 other pairs to challenge, than add themselves to a small votepool by challenging.

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@Ythan, what is your Gamma read?

It would be really cool if everyone could state a read on their hood partner with reasons.

She asked me to ask the question in my last post for her because she felt that Furtive was associating her with Cephrir and I find that suspicious. Sorry Em. <3

why you booing me I'm right
like, I was correct in my intuition that furtive was sussing me in connection to cephrir. How is it suspect that I correctly figured out how someone was reading me and opted to have someone else inquire into that topic?

Speaking of which,

But maybe you (Cephrir) made me think that way.

What did you mean by this?

When Cephrir said that the Yume/Nancy exchange about the emoji was towny, that could have influenced my similar thinking

this is a total nothingburger response. I'll home in on my critique here: why and how does your scumread impacting your reads matter?

At the time that I wrote that, Cephrir was more of a null read, and quite frankly still is (or is at the moment). The suggestion that their read could have influenced mine was not based on the sometimes-used strategy of trusting a townread's reads, it was based on people's general tendency to be influenced by other people's ideas.

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People really wantiing to dig into my page 5 posts while missing the context it's page 5. (furtive)
But words are cheap of course I'll have a proper catchup tomorrow for the recent explosion of posts.

I look forward to that.

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well I’ll wait for him to explicitly ask me before engaging that.

I am baffled by furtive's choice to not acknowledge this exchange

Like, gamma is supposedly one of your top suspects because of this unexplained action; I have set up an alley oop for you to get answers, and you're standing there checking out the bleachers

Ok sure I will now formally ask Gamma Emerald why I was sus and not you all those pages ago, because apparently the onus is on me now

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Bit more background to that is my experience on mafia.gg where sometimes mafia decide to just meme instead of saying anything game related

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Inorganic...I can't really dispute that because it's hard to define

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i feel like furative's posts lack emotion and i don't know if that's just playstyle

Not sure who you mean by furative

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Bit more background to that is my experience on mafia.gg where sometimes mafia decide to just meme instead of saying anything game related

Why are some memes more scummy than others?

Personal response really

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The second line is, specifically
I feel like for me I play mafia for social reasons since I’m starved of irl social fulfillment rn

I'm in this picture and I don't like it

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probably be easier to read later too, i'm kind of out of the flow and can't remember how do day one

i think furtive is just furtiveposting

Is this a nullread on me?

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Gnight, love to know why you're thinking that in the morning and if you still stand by it.

Yeh I do, I'd like to vote off Meg or GE primarily

Oops found it.
ngl I expected a lil more stubstance.

Why these two?

I think Meg is everyone's biggest scumread for a reason, they haven't given as much content as everyone else except for maybe Yume.

GE feels a bit strategic in terms of the reads they've given out, like (initially) scumreading me and subtly defending Meg by explaining that one of their posts was sarcastic

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i feel like furative's posts lack emotion and i don't know if that's just playstyle

Its playstyle, words are short, structure is statements only. Drives me nuts ngl and still trying to diffuse what I can from it myself.

I try and keep it fairly concise and clear, but if you want me to explain something in more detail then I can try

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i feel like furative's posts lack emotion and i don't know if that's just playstyle

Its playstyle, words are short, structure is statements only. Drives me nuts ngl and still trying to diffuse what I can from it myself.

I try and keep it fairly concise and clear, but if you want me to explain something in more detail then I can try

I'm just wondering where's the indignation at being wrongfully accused as a townie. It just feels like you're resigned to all attacks against you because they're onto something but I dunno if that is true or just how you play. I think I can try to give you benefit of the doubt and see if there's better reasons to scumread or townread you though.

Is this about the exchange between me and Flea? I think you accused me as well but I didn't feel the need to respond to you because you never expanded on it.

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It's every attack against you you just feel like meh

If I felt like I was in more danger, then perhaps I'd be more emotional. I feel quite calm about the gamestate.

[furtiveglance]

Bit more background to that is my experience on mafia.gg where sometimes mafia decide to just meme instead of saying anything game related

Why are some memes more scummy than others?

Personal response really

elaborate?

Well...something like 'fingerguns' or 'the more you know' feels a bit deadbeat, whereas Cephrir's thing about the Gold Dragons is deliberately louder so I find it less suspicious because it's asking for attention

[furtiveglance]

I think Meg is town

who do you think is scum?

I want to keep it under wraps so I'm going to use code but here's who I'm thinking

Ancy-nay
Orst-way
Maybe astina-may
Less sure of ephrir-cay and uritive-fay

Really trynna open up the communal scumpool here. These are some scalding takes

[furtiveglance]

I think Meg is town

who do you think is scum?

I want to keep it under wraps so I'm going to use code but here's who I'm thinking

Ancy-nay
Orst-way
Maybe astina-may
Less sure of ephrir-cay and uritive-fay

Really trynna open up the communal scumpool here. These are some scalding takes

I feel like this is just throwing shade whereas Gamma was actually curious and wanted to know more

I don't agree with this list. There's a chance you're right on one or maybe two just because there are 4 Mafia but none of these players are my preferred votes

[furtiveglance]

Why? did I nail your partners

All 4 of them yes

[furtiveglance]

I think Meg is town

who do you think is scum?

I want to keep it under wraps so I'm going to use code but here's who I'm thinking

Ancy-nay
Orst-way
Maybe astina-may
Less sure of ephrir-cay and uritive-fay

Really trynna open up the communal scumpool here. These are some scalding takes

I feel like this is just throwing shade whereas Gamma was actually curious and wanted to know more

I don't agree with this list. There's a chance you're right on one or maybe two just because there are 4 Mafia but none of these players are my preferred votes

Is it just me or is this a stronger reaction than you have to being accused yourself

Do you have reasons to think those players are town?

Nancy and mastina yes, the worst could be mafia

[furtiveglance]

I was hoping for a more detailed answer than yes

I agree with mastina's reads so far. Nancy will probably either become obvtown or just fall off so that's not a priority vote for me regardless, but townlean so far.

[furtiveglance]

I don't think I've been minimal. Yume might be in prod range though

[furtiveglance]

I don't think I've been minimal. Yume might be in prod range though

Yume actually posted today I think I missed some posts.

[furtiveglance]

LOCKTOWN:
{Save the Dragons, Yume, Nancy Drew 39}

TOWN:
{Ythan, Gamme Emerald}

LEAN TOWN:
{Aisa}

{furtiveglance}

NULL:
{Flea the Magician, Hu Tao, Cephrir}

SCUM:
{MegAzumarill}

why do you say you agree w mastina's reads while she has me and Ythan in Town?
ftr I do kinda have concern about mastina myself

Agreed about Meg scumread and Nancy/Yume town

[furtiveglance]

I'm at a point where I would be interested to see an iguanas vs snakes challenge.

I think all four have scum equity

and I'd like to see them under pressure & commit the whole game to sorting them all

explain this pls? specifically Ythan because that's the one I think makes the least sense rn

Oh, I thought furtive and aisa were the iguanas, my bad. I meant parrots and snakes

You think me and Aisa are both scummy? I didn't realise that based on how you've been posting.

[furtiveglance]

Voting does nothing. If no one challenges Meg's team with the worst, then I will, just so we can vote Meg out.

[furtiveglance]

The moment Nancy falls off she knows there's several people here who will be on her

Speaking of falling off it saddens me that this is your scumplay.

You're a joy to play with but you're very transparently scum here. </3

This is the most significant post of the last 5 pages or so

[furtiveglance]

First and foremost I don’t really like how TW hasn’t made efforts to engage in our PT. I know I wan’t active but it feels like TW isn’t interested in sorting my alignment because they made no effort for this since I last posted in there.

Rest of my thoughts are as I catch up. I’ll post a few pages at a time as I read.

Post 173: This post makes me feel like Nancy doesn’t really understand the situation or mechanics of the game and I don’t think Scum!nancy stands to gain much from faking this. A part of me thinks Scum!Nancy would get help from partners for understanding the setup.

Post 182: No it did not. I’ll probably drop that weirdness as it feels like genuine confusion which is probably slightly plus town for nancy and I don’t think more can be attributed to it at this point.

Post 187 Seems to be Furtive playing dumb and trying to OMGUS. +Scum

I like 196 from Flea, I feel like it makes sense but it’s mostly mechanical.

Post 202. This feels like Scum!Furtive. Actively sorting only scum reads isn’t critically evaluating the game. That’s trying to get a miselim through. If you are reading and focusing on the game you should be looking for towny and scummy things, you don’t just actively search one or the other. Like there’s not going to be more information on something just because you ignore other things. Doesn’t make sense.

Post 213 is interesting. I think Aisa/Furtive being both scums made some sense with furtive’s weirdness on the slot, but this post really blatantly seems to say why would furtive be weird

specifically with my slot.

The natural answer I feel is saying they are partners but I don’t think scum!Aisa is this blatant about it

252 Drives an interesting point by Cephir that I think leads more into the partnership of Furtive/Aisa. Due to the high density of scum I think these kind of associatives will be many between partners so I’m partial for it. I’m surprised nobody has suggested a furtive/aisa team to this point but I suppose I haven’t had any scummy points with Aisa on her own.

253 Makes me think Flea is town. Good analysis and I’m interested in seeing if they’ve got more reads.

271 +Town for Gamma. Fairly depth read but I don’t feel too strongly about the logic myself.

Will be back later for more,

Note to self: Start next on Page 12.

I don't think you've ever played with scum furtive. Besides, you're clearly taking 'valuing scumreads more than townreads' as 'only valuing scumreads' - misrep.

[furtiveglance]

But as Pharaoh's sorcerers were able to replicate this trick too, at least in part, Pharaoh remained unmoved.

No that's yu gi oh not legends of the hidden temple

Different made up ancient civilization

Why you even post this

[furtiveglance]

If mastina's team doesn't challenge Meg's team, then I will

[furtiveglance]

(Aisa is on board)

[furtiveglance]

If mastina's team doesn't challenge Meg's team, then I will

See my friend this is the issue, you can't just

offer

to challenge the Snakes in the public thread, if you do then obviously everyone will want to take you up on the offer

If I give mastina the chance first, then if she refuses people will see that and it's information

[furtiveglance]

First and foremost I don’t really like how TW hasn’t made efforts to engage in our PT. I know I wan’t active but it feels like TW isn’t interested in sorting my alignment because they made no effort for this since I last posted in there.

Rest of my thoughts are as I catch up. I’ll post a few pages at a time as I read.

Post 173: This post makes me feel like Nancy doesn’t really understand the situation or mechanics of the game and I don’t think Scum!nancy stands to gain much from faking this. A part of me thinks Scum!Nancy would get help from partners for understanding the setup.

Post 182: No it did not. I’ll probably drop that weirdness as it feels like genuine confusion which is probably slightly plus town for nancy and I don’t think more can be attributed to it at this point.

Post 187 Seems to be Furtive playing dumb and trying to OMGUS. +Scum

I like 196 from Flea, I feel like it makes sense but it’s mostly mechanical.

Post 202. This feels like Scum!Furtive. Actively sorting only scum reads isn’t critically evaluating the game. That’s trying to get a miselim through. If you are reading and focusing on the game you should be looking for towny and scummy things, you don’t just actively search one or the other. Like there’s not going to be more information on something just because you ignore other things. Doesn’t make sense.

Post 213 is interesting. I think Aisa/Furtive being both scums made some sense with furtive’s weirdness on the slot, but this post really blatantly seems to say why would furtive be weird

specifically with my slot.

The natural answer I feel is saying they are partners but I don’t think scum!Aisa is this blatant about it

252 Drives an interesting point by Cephir that I think leads more into the partnership of Furtive/Aisa. Due to the high density of scum I think these kind of associatives will be many between partners so I’m partial for it. I’m surprised nobody has suggested a furtive/aisa team to this point but I suppose I haven’t had any scummy points with Aisa on her own.

253 Makes me think Flea is town. Good analysis and I’m interested in seeing if they’ve got more reads.

271 +Town for Gamma. Fairly depth read but I don’t feel too strongly about the logic myself.

Will be back later for more,

Note to self: Start next on Page 12.

I don't think you've ever played with scum furtive. Besides, you're clearly taking 'valuing scumreads more than townreads' as 'only valuing scumreads' - misrep.

This is fairly clearly what you are implying with that post and were doing in the thread. You were not focusing on reading your partner because they weren't immediately a scumread.

Meg, when have you played with scum furtive?

[furtiveglance]

It's not a dance, you vote individual player

[furtiveglance]

Not especially, the part that puzzles me is that you'd be down to challenge nullreads right now

STD is playing this phase in a way that makes me think whatever alignment he is is more likely than random to win this game

How is that relevant

+1

Duckling, who do you think is scum?

a challenge, post in bold Challenge: PINK PENGUINS.
11. Once a challenge has been issued, the pool of players who can be eliminated will expand to include up to four names: the team that was challenged and the team that issued that challenge. Remember, once a challenge has been issued the game will not move on until one of those players is eliminated.

Oh you’re right. Well anyone voting either jaguar is scumclaiming.

VOTE: the worst

Why the worst specifically? I was thinking of voting Meg

[furtiveglance]

Not especially, the part that puzzles me is that you'd be down to challenge nullreads right now

STD is playing this phase in a way that makes me think whatever alignment he is is more likely than random to win this game

How is that relevant

+1

Duckling, who do you think is scum?

a challenge, post in bold Challenge: PINK PENGUINS.
11. Once a challenge has been issued, the pool of players who can be eliminated will expand to include up to four names: the team that was challenged and the team that issued that challenge. Remember, once a challenge has been issued the game will not move on until one of those players is eliminated.

Oh you’re right. Well anyone voting either jaguar is scumclaiming.

VOTE: the worst

Why the worst specifically? I was thinking of voting Meg

I’m okay with switching to Mega, my sr on duckling is just stronger. Sell me on Mega and I’ll switch. I’m obviously not touching either jaguar.

I think Yume is town, mastina seems to have disappeared which is slightly concerning. As for the Snakes, I can see Haschel putting 1 scum/scum team in, and if there is one it's the Snakes. Both players quite sus. But I'd rather vote Meg.

VOTE: MegAzumarill

[furtiveglance]

alignments are randomized but S/S teams are possible

This - please don't try to outguess the mod on things that are literally openly random

I could quite happily vote either meg or duck right now. I think I'll throw some pressure in the direction more likely to produce results.

VOTE: the worst

Why is this the direction more likely to produce results? What results?

[furtiveglance]

alignments are randomized but S/S teams are possible

This - please don't try to outguess the mod on things that are literally openly random

I could quite happily vote either meg or duck right now. I think I'll throw some pressure in the direction more likely to produce results.

VOTE: the worst

Why is this the direction more likely to produce results? What results?

Because of the players in question

Posts that will help me divine their alignment

Answer is unsatisfactory, I'll just put you down as scum with Meg

[furtiveglance]

Lol ok

Yeah it was a bit jokey

But you aren't helping yourself by not explaining either

[furtiveglance]

I'm not that interested in helping myself when the attack is so dumb

Meg is going to lurk no matter what I do. The worst might post if prodded. It's simple

Why is a poster less useful to have in the game?

Surely you want to smoke the lurkier player on principle?

And this is as if you have no read on either player, how is that possible?

[furtiveglance]

I'm not that interested in helping myself when the attack is so dumb

Meg is going to lurk no matter what I do. The worst might post if prodded. It's simple

Why is a poster less useful to have in the game?

Surely you want to smoke the lurkier player on principle?

And this is as if you have no read on either player, how is that possible?

smoking the lurkiest player huh...
Yume on 15, Meg on 19.

Like don't get me wrong, absolutely yeet within worst and meg today but I'm not seeing where Yume is being so town.

I wasn't advising Ceph to do that, just questioning their mindset.

Separately, I think Yume is towny for the challenge. It puts her on the block. Also, disagreeing with mastina and still doing it.

[furtiveglance]

Well, mastina will think this is a bad play, but I'll take it.

Challenge: Silver Snakes

So says me and my spirits.

There isn't a disagreement here, just a pre-emptive "meh screw it"

I'm guessing Yume suggested it in the PT and mastina said 'no that's bad', which is what I mean by disagreeing.

[furtiveglance]

I'm not that interested in helping myself when the attack is so dumb

Meg is going to lurk no matter what I do. The worst might post if prodded. It's simple

Why is a poster less useful to have in the game?

Surely you want to smoke the lurkier player on principle?

And this is as if you have no read on either player, how is that possible?

Your whole line both in this post and before it assumes that I definitely want the player I'm voting for to die which is weird considering I expressly stated otherwise when I placed the vote

I do not have no read on either player and I'm not sure where you got that idea. I have stated suspicion on both of them more than once

Ok, so you're voting someone without wanting them to die? Above my pay grade for sure

[furtiveglance]

Well, mastina

will

think this is a bad play, but I'll take it.

Challenge: Silver Snakes

So says me and my spirits.

I missed the word 'will' in this post. Bolding is mine

Yume, has mastina been posting in your PT since her dippage from the main thread?

[furtiveglance]

I don't know what it is about me that makes people forget what words mean in order to find ways to doubt me

Should I go find pressure in the dictionary

It makes sense as a concept, I don't agree with it though. I vote to kill

[furtiveglance]

I don't know what it is about me that makes people forget what words mean in order to find ways to doubt me

Should I go find pressure in the dictionary

It makes sense as a concept, I don't agree with it though. I vote to kill

I work like Cephrir fwiw
I like voting beyond just trying to eliminate someone, I kinda view that as essential to the atmosphere of play here.

Ok but your 'pressure' could literally make someone exit the game.

[furtiveglance]

I wish this was more motivating than it is I just feel like I'm waiting for megazu to do something and if they don't I'm probably dead ig?

Are you voting Meg?

[furtiveglance]

Game feels a bit stale for me I think I'm at the point where I've got reads locked until a flip.

Town: Aisa, Mastina, Yume, Flea, Nancy
Grey Area: Cephrir, SaveTheDragons, Ythan
Scum: Meg, The Worst, Gamma Emerald

[furtiveglance]

Looking at the rules it seems there is no deadline

In that case, I'm happy to vote the worst if people want to.

I just want people who aren't voting to vote someone, genuinely think the pair could be S/S

[furtiveglance]

alignments are randomized but S/S teams are possible

I understand this, I think some people misunderstood an earlier post of mine as if I thought the mod chose.

But my point was just that people might think S/S pairs are improbable but they're perfectly possible

[furtiveglance]

In Pokemon large theme, I recall he made a few extremely scummy posts then pretty much ghosted the thread.

you...uh...wouldn't classify his posting this game as making scummy posts and ghosting the thread?

To some extent but he was way more obviously scum in that. He might just be playing a lot better here. What is different is he doesn’t sound so off. It’s extremely frustrating to me. I would like Mastina or someone else to explain why Mega > duckling, since we need to pick one.

If this is "a lot better" I'd hate to see the other game

Same let me pile some more firewood on this

[furtiveglance]

This game nightless right. What if we just voted off everyone apart from me and Aisa

[furtiveglance]

If I had to expand hmm

Fleas tone is good I think fae's really scumhunting, I agree with some of faer reads and I think the linguistic analysis thing in particular vibed town

STD has a lot of thoughts about the game that I perceive as real but also has stuff he can't explain too, which feels legit to me, and I think he is not trying very hard to impress me

Is this the linguistic analysis? I thought the bolded (below) was a bit of a misrep of my style. But yeah I do townread Flea separately

Funnily, the word "passive" came to mind before furtive mentioned it. I think "furtive is being a little passive" feels like a more precise read of the situation than "furtive committed a mechanical blunder".

As in, I think his behaviour may be simply be the result of having limited time and not valuing sorting his teammate as much as Nancy or Flea do.

I've touched on this, but I think that there are multiple ways a Townie can make themselves useful in this setup. The neighbourhood is definitely a resource, but having a nullread on your teammate and good reads on the rest of the playerlist would also be very helpful.

In short, I guess that the accusation Flea is levelling here is that furtive doesn't seem to prioritise sorting me, but I don't see how that's scum-indicative.

This is interesting, as this is a 18 minute later clarification and deflection on furtives behalf as well as a nice lil twist on what I've said so far.

A neighbourhood is a powerful tool for both town and scum. if you're both town as well thats even better as you can collab reads and build cases together, thats two voices acting as one.

Nancys been proven an amazing hydra partner many many times in the past, having a neighbourhood with her where I know shes town makes us stupid good.

Now for the twist, you're stating that I believe furtive not prioritising sorting you is scum-indicative.
I haven't said that, at all - though I can see the skimmed milk off hand comment being seen as such.
Where I started was curiosity about furtive seeming to take the team as a single entity, not two entities. Further digging gave the absence of you. No read on you, this seems odd to me so I decided to poke it. Where I stand at the moment is I'm still a bit sus that furtive seems to be secretive.

The word choice and flow is very very short and minimal. It betrays no information beyond simple answers

. How I read people is in how they write.

You, for example are using short, chained statements. You also state something then either give a justification or an excuse for it. You're attempting to be dismissive of this and claiming there's reasons for both. You're using an active defence with indirect defences. Its interesting, and amusingly puts more sus on you from my side.

[furtiveglance]

You don't have to be, although the fact you're townreading meg and not flea is a head scratcher for me

i'm less sure of meg

Backpedal quick skrrt reverse

[furtiveglance]

I'm down to get a bit of momentum on this

VOTE: the worst

[furtiveglance]

Honestly, I'd go Meg at the moment over The Worst. (Nancy will be here in a moment to tell me I'm wrong no doubt ) because absolutely the elimination needs to be in those two.

The big issue I have overall from this is I don't see that much information coming to light regardless of who of the 4 flip.

That is the downside of nightless in a way. Maybe I'll have to pretend to have a shock scumread just to generate content

But yeah I think my reads are in a good place at the moment

[furtiveglance]

Honestly, I'd go Meg at the moment over The Worst. (Nancy will be here in a moment to tell me I'm wrong no doubt ) because absolutely the elimination needs to be in those two.

The big issue I have overall from this is I don't see that much information coming to light regardless of who of the 4 flip.

Nothing wrong with competing wagons. Maybe that will help on the info side too

My view is nothing wrong with competing wagons but also.... I don't want to sit at 3/3 for ages I'd rather just push one over

[furtiveglance]

Had to switch it up on em

VOTE: MegAzumarill

[furtiveglance]

UNVOTE: MegA

Freaking choo choo much

Put it back we want the momentum

[furtiveglance]

Yes, momentum good, surprise E-1 from nowhere not so good.

I thought it was E-2...5 votes - Gamma, me, you, Nancy, Yume

[furtiveglance]

We've still had jack all from Yume and then E-1 with nothing.

Nancy I'm now mega sus of despite being my best town read, and your reasoning at best is "lolmentum" and "switching it up"

I think Meg has given up at this point, I feel confident in the red flip and I want to see it.

[furtiveglance]

Unofficial VC

MegAzumarill ->

furtiveglance,

Gamma Emerald, mastina, Flea The Magician, furtiveglance, Nancy Drew 39, Yume
the worst -> Save The Dragons, Cephrir,

furtiveglance

mastina:
Yume:

Not voting: MegAzumarill, the worst, Ythan, Aisa

Ok, I missed mastina's vote. But still, I'm happy Meg was at E-1 and wish it got hammered

[furtiveglance]

i no longer care post or perish

VOTE: megazu

(choose perish)

[furtiveglance]

My point is these are some weak sauce reads and Cephy nailed it in our options are literally nothing and functionally nothing.
no matter who we vote of the four if we're entirely honest.

Flea just believe in something!

Watch the flip.

[furtiveglance]

Honestly Nancy....
VOTE: Yume

This is contrarian in the extreme

[furtiveglance]

Let's get a hammer guys.

[furtiveglance]

by telling me what shes done here to earn a TR?
When it comes to literally nothing and figuratively nothing, Yume is in the same as meg - literally nothing.

But the c h a l l e n g e

[furtiveglance]

Thing is I'm not dying for a while. Mentally maybe.

I can think of a couple reasons for a scum!yume to issue a challenge here tbh. Big one being theres been consistent animosity against the Silver Snakes, its an easy challenge to make and one to gain some easy townie points.

I suppose yeah. I'm not even hard opposing your scumread on Yume. I do personally think she is town currently. I just see a massive open goal in Meg (and even the worst tbh)

[furtiveglance]

Thats what worries me. That open goal is just as open for scum if those two are town, I don't like how easy this is.

i'm not even scumreading Yume (Why are people making my reads up for me?) - Small lean based on activity maybe but still nothing worth calling home about. My big issue at the moment is this feels too easy.

Sometimes it is easy. The first one anyway.

[furtiveglance]

I've half a mind to double tap the snakes.

[furtiveglance]

Nice!

Yo you did nothing!

Got any reads?

[furtiveglance]

I accept your challenge

[furtiveglance]

I think that challenge shows desperation

[furtiveglance]

I think you’re delusional.
the worst will fall eventually if he’s scum. Meanwhile, I think Aisa and Ythan need time in the limelight.

How can you even compare a Parrot with a...I forgot what you and Ythan are. But seriously, Aisa has been posting good stuff and Ythan has flaked. Regardless of all of that, if you hadn't done that I was probably going to challenge the snakes again and the worst could have gone. This challenge just feels like a distraction attempt

[furtiveglance]

You know what, it’s Cobra Kai time.

STRIKE HARD
STRIKE FAST
NO MERCY

I challenge the Purple Parrots

Hold up. This challenge makes 0 sense if you TR me, which you're claiming to. Motivation was...pressure on Aisa and Ythan? You know I TR Aisa. I can't see town motivation for doing this Gamma, you need to explain sharpish.

[furtiveglance]

I think Aida’s last burst of activity is a scumtell.
I’ll explain once at my computer.

Alright but this better be good

[furtiveglance]

Ythan the more words the better.

[furtiveglance]

Gonna sleep on this one

[furtiveglance]

I sleeped but can't decide until others post

[furtiveglance]

(For the record my current guess is all four combatants town, with scum as being 3 of flea/worstie/StD/Cephrir, but I admit it's possible Aisa is scum there too. I'd prefer furtive over Aisa tho because furtigve gives info about the wagon directlyu, whereas Aisa only gives it indirectly.)

You think we're all town? So jettison Ythan for relative lack of posting (no offence). Your TR there needs explaining

Your read on Gamma is 'town for the challenge', when the challenge derailed the group's direction (probably voting out TW), just for 'pressure' on two slots - and GE doesn't even have a preferred vote.

Also, how is Flea mafia? What am I missing?

[furtiveglance]

This wagon on Aisa sucks. I'm not happy

[furtiveglance]

Yume, do you always sheep mastina? I saw it in HotD a bit, mastina was scum in that. You said you suspected her earlier, but now voted with. How has your read developed on mastina?

[furtiveglance]

This wagon on Aisa sucks. I'm not happy

I’m not happy with any of the options. I wanted to vote duckling but here we are. I’m happy to wait to hear what she says when she posts later today.

Could you possibly paraphrase yours and Aisa’s convos in your hood?

@Gamma, can you do that with Ythan as well or vice-versa?

A lot of different things in the hood, I'd say I townread her posts in there, although the most recent thing was disagreeing on Cephrir and Gamma. I said they were scumreads of mine and Aisa disagreed. Aisa had a consistent scumread on Meg prior to that flip as well.

[furtiveglance]

Yume, do you always sheep mastina? I saw it in HotD a bit, mastina was scum in that. You said you suspected her earlier, but now voted with. How has your read developed on mastina?

Yes, I kinda do. I do ever since that game.

Are you townreading mastina currently?

[furtiveglance]

I think that getting that feeling of "hold on... every player is ok with this elimination" is a great time to stop and reassess the person you're about to vote out, but if you still think they're scum after reassessing, well, that's that.

Note that I am NOT advocating for a hammer, I am in fact writing a wall partly about the opposite

This wagon on Aisa sucks. I'm not happy

I’m not happy with any of the options. I wanted to vote duckling but here we are. I’m happy to wait to hear what she says when she posts later today.

Could you possibly paraphrase yours and Aisa’s convos in your hood?

@Gamma, can you do that with Ythan as well or vice-versa?

A lot of different things in the hood, I'd say I townread her posts in there, although the most recent thing was disagreeing on Cephrir and Gamma. I said they were scumreads of mine and Aisa disagreed. Aisa had a consistent scumread on Meg prior to that flip as well.

Then why did she suddenly do a 180 on the eleventh hour on her then? Did she explain that?

Are you on about this? You think Aisa as Mafia decided to say 'no don't hammer' about her buddy despite the elim already having gone through (Mafia are nearly always aware of VC) and being extremely inevitable?

[furtiveglance]

Part of the reason I'm annoyed about that challenge is because I was going to do a rundown of Meg associatives, let me get to it now

[furtiveglance]

Associative = could be partnery

Anti-associative = makes partners less likely

Probably isn't ordered within the tiers

VOTE: Yume

Bad entrance

RVS vote but I'll take this as anti-associative and I already think Yume is town anyway

Not entirely sure how it works

Either way Nancy voting mastina is incredibly odd for that umm.... case

Ok, the vote in question is 55. I'm inclined to believe that Meg wouldn't want to hamstring Nancy if they were Mafia together by criticising her vote. It's a possible chainsaw for mastina though.

Quoting makes it feel like trying to justify it with what is obviously RVS sillyness

???

Come again?

Exactly how are you getting “rvs silliness” from all of that? What part of it are you reading as that?

"Mastina put a heart emoji and they did that as scum before so they must be scum"

If Yume was seriously saying that it's frankly ridiculous but you seem to be taking it at face value.

Seems anti-associative to me.

StD town tbh

I don't think this is anti-associative, personal read of course. I think with 4 Mafia in 12, you'd probably want to townread at least 1 partner, though how you went about that might look different for each player.

Woah I just realised this setup doesn’t have a fixed number of miselims before Town loses, isn’t maths crazy

Technically yes but if there's two all-town mislims without scum dead, town loses. So we only get two.

It's nightless so we get 4 mislims +1 for every scum eliminated.

Also this feels like town mastina

I do get more pockety vibes from this about mastina, more anti-associative than previous comment about her.

With this next post below, I'll type in

purple

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First and foremost I don’t really like how TW hasn’t made efforts to engage in our PT. I know I wan’t active but it feels like TW isn’t interested in sorting my alignment because they made no effort for this since I last posted in there.

I don't think this is anti-associative, I can see Meg saying this about a partner.

Rest of my thoughts are as I catch up. I’ll post a few pages at a time as I read.

Post 173: This post makes me feel like Nancy doesn’t really understand the situation or mechanics of the game and I don’t think Scum!nancy stands to gain much from faking this. A part of me thinks Scum!Nancy would get help from partners for understanding the setup.

I think this is anti-associative.

Post 182: No it did not. I’ll probably drop that weirdness as it feels like genuine confusion which is probably slightly plus town for nancy and I don’t think more can be attributed to it at this point.

Post 187 Seems to be Furtive playing dumb and trying to OMGUS. +Scum

I like 196 from Flea, I feel like it makes sense but it’s mostly mechanical.

This one could go either way for me, I think sometimes scum like to talk about mechanics in reference to their partners, but then again outright saying 'I like this from Flea' is slightly anti-associative I think.

Post 202. This feels like Scum!Furtive. Actively sorting only scum reads isn’t critically evaluating the game. That’s trying to get a miselim through. If you are reading and focusing on the game you should be looking for towny and scummy things, you don’t just actively search one or the other. Like there’s not going to be more information on something just because you ignore other things. Doesn’t make sense.

Post 213 is interesting. I think Aisa/Furtive being both scums made some sense with furtive’s weirdness on the slot, but this post really blatantly seems to say why would furtive be weird

specifically with my slot.

The natural answer I feel is saying they are partners but I don’t think scum!Aisa is this blatant about it

252 Drives an interesting point by Cephir that I think leads more into the partnership of Furtive/Aisa. Due to the high density of scum I think these kind of associatives will be many between partners so I’m partial for it. I’m surprised nobody has suggested a furtive/aisa team to this point but I suppose I haven’t had any scummy points with Aisa on her own.

This is making me slightly nervous about Aisa. It looks a bit like 'partner swapping' - in which you call your partner scum with a town to make your argument more convincing and muddy the waters. I have done this before and it's a good strat. The way Meg is suggesting us as Mafia together, but primarily pushing me, makes me consider this 'associative'. I also think that the character of Cephrir is suspiciously placed here. Meg is borrowing his read, but never bothers to express a read on Cephrir in this post (or any other). This looks 'associative' to me.

253 Makes me think Flea is town. Good analysis and I’m interested in seeing if they’ve got more reads.

This looks like quite a straightforward attempt at buddying. Anti-associative.

271 +Town for Gamma. Fairly depth read but I don’t feel too strongly about the logic myself.

The post in question (271) is Gamma calling me inauthentic. I think the way that Meg balances this comment of '+town for Gamma' with the caveat that they don't necessarily agree makes this 'associative', as I've often qualified reads/comments about partners in this way before.

Will be back later for more,

Note to self: Start next on Page 12.

Realistically I'm fine with the Snakes being challenged here but I would enjoy the ability to catch up and collect my thoughts.

It's funny, the way other people accused me of seeing myself and Aisa as a team is making me question the language here. I'm going to consider this 'associative' with the worst.

In conclusion then, I think Meg has anti-associatives with Nancy, Flea, Yume and (less so) mastina.

And I think Meg has possible associatives with Aisa, Cephrir, Gamma Emerald and the worst.

Just the one interaction with STD which in my view could go either way. And no mention at all of Ythan.

Having said all this, I do prefer to read players first and foremost on their own content. This sort of stuff just adds to how I view the game, and when my own reads seem to contradict with possible 'associatives' or 'anti-associatives', it gives me something to think about.

[furtiveglance]

This wagon on Aisa sucks. I'm not happy

I’m not happy with any of the options. I wanted to vote duckling but here we are. I’m happy to wait to hear what she says when she posts later today.

Could you possibly paraphrase yours and Aisa’s convos in your hood?

@Gamma, can you do that with Ythan as well or vice-versa?

Sure

If you're online....I'm guessing it won't take too long to do this. More interested in what Ythan has said in there.

[furtiveglance]

RVS vote but I'll take this as anti-associative

Is that all you want to comment on from that post?

[furtiveglance]

Just gonna try to cover the bits I feel are important

Our thread starts with me mentioning a Super Mario World romhack themed around LotHT since it’s relevant to me and Ythan’s interests and I was a bit rattled during gamestart so I opted to post an icebreaker.
We then talked about how to use the hood, where I talked about my antics in the last run a bit. We then talked about what we wanted to do regarding challenges.
Ythan mentions not having much to say in the hood since her thoughts are already in the main thread. We also talked a little about video games.
I then mention my concern about mastina calling me town when my recollection is she tends to read me inversely to what I am when she’s town. I also asked Ythan to poke into the thing furtive said regarding Ceph influencing his reads.
I post the read list that I built off of for my reads I posted in-thread. One thing that I haven’t really been explicit about yet is I had Aisa as a townlean there but hadn’t really said much about in thread for a time. This resulted in some paranoia of Ythan when Flea was mixed up about my read progression on furtive/Aisa.
Ythan asks if it’s okay to mention the question I requested she asked furtive, and I give the okay. She also looks over me and furtive and comes out of it kinda suspicious of me.
I then make a comment about it feeling like multiple players are playing passive (those being tw/Meg/furtive/Flea) which was frustrating because I was considering challenging Meg+tw for the logic Cephrir stated despite him meaning the parrots. Soon after I express a desire for Flea to challenge me because I felt like fae was playing weakly.
I ask Ythan for input on my readlist in the main thread but there was some confusion on that front. This was also around the time I thought Flea and Ythan could be paired based on Flea mentioning an Aisa TR which I’d only been explicit about in the hood for a while. In addition I mention doubt about SRing mastina since she also went after Flea who was pretty UTR. Eventually Ythan reaches my readlist and says my townreads look okay and she wants to look into my SRs.
I call out 549 as weird, albeit potentially towny. I also express interest in a jaguars/parrots challenge as a “clear some of the fog around these slots” idea.
I ask Ythan about the Jaguars/Snakes challenge which prompts her to mention being behind. I also noted I felt like furtive was reading into my 573 as an associative with Meg+tw which I found inane. That’s also why I asked furtive’s thought on that post in here.
I posted *popcorn gif* in the hood when Flea got jumpy at the E-1 and voted Yume
After the first challenge finished, I posted a greeting when Ythan popped into the thread and then a sorta taunting “showtime” message when I issued my challenge. She then said that reading the current challenge would be easier than the last one since she had thoughts on the group already, to which I asked her to give thoughts on some of the still alive members of the last challenge.

I'm seeing a lot of 'I' here and not too much 'Ythan'. That's all I really wanted to know (Ythan's activity level) because so far her main thread ISO looks light on reads.

It's interesting you thought that I was seeing you on a team with the worst and Meg, I was but not for 573. I'll explain later

[furtiveglance]

I'm at a point where I would be interested to see an iguanas vs snakes challenge. I think all four have scum equity and I'd like to see them under pressure & commit the whole game to sorting them all

Do you still scumread both me and Aisa?

[furtiveglance]

Later on I will look at other people talking to/about Meg. Let me know if you have any formatting preferences, I think my recent big post was a bit hard to read

[furtiveglance]

Hi I am here for an hour, do what you want with me!

Aisa who are your top 3 scumreads?

[furtiveglance]

Also just generally, I'd appreciate it if someone could make it through 828 and see if you agree with the conclusion. The only response I've had was Cephrir reacting to 1 line with an emoji

[furtiveglance]

I think we need to slow down and talk things through, especially with no deadline. I want everyone to discuss Meg's associatives, respond to my next big post and just generally digest before we rush into another vote.

[furtiveglance]

I decided to go through interactions with Meg for the 3 other vote candidates, doing everyone would take too long for one post but I do want to do it soon.

Formatting note: a bit is unspoilered because I don't know how to spoiler quotes with spoilers in.

Aisa:

Spoiler:

Yume, tell me a bit more about heartemojigate. Do you think there might be scum motivation behind it?

Buddying.

That makes sense I guess. Totally separate question, has mastina talked to you in the hood about Meg, as of this post?

Aisa asks Yume whether mastina has been plotting against Meg in the hood - prior to this mastina had called Meg scum in her ridiculously early reads. I think this needs explaining by Aisa.

Meg, does the point in the following post factor into your Nancy read?

What does Yume have to do with Bell and Taly?

Bell and Taly were in a hood and Bell hard sr them but I didn’t listen and I think Yume seems really sincere so I’m trusting their gut on that for now.

I appreciate it, but do not use another player's meta as a reference. I tried doing that once, using two different players to justify my stance. It backfired.

I think her point is she's trying to listen to input people provide that comes from hood contents

Aisa asks Meg an open question about their read on Nancy. I can see this coming from town or scum.

>:/
why do you care about that?

In short, I think Meg is scummy, I've seen enough and would like to see the game moved into the next stage, a challenge.

In long:

Voting does nothing. If no one challenges Meg's team with the worst, then I will, just so we can vote Meg out.

Yesterday, furtive said he wanted to challenge Meg, so I turned to the PT to discuss this with him.

I scumlean Meg as much as anyone else, but she hasn't posted much.

I sort of debated with myself for a bit yesterday whether it was time for a challenge or whether we should wait for more content from certain slots, including Meg. I didn't come to a super definite conclusion but was kinda like "I accept it if you want to challenge Meg" in the PT.

furtive was like "uh ok so can I challenge the Snakes or not? "

I thought about it some more, saw Meg's post today and I am pretty ready to see a challenge on the snakes. But I don't want to voluntarily walk into a challenge unprompted - I thought I should at least try to get a different team to challenge the Snakes.

I obviously don't know how to be sneaky sneakk about getting another team to challenge the Snakes since you picked this up immediately.

You're always welcome to ask where I stand on someone. For now, furtive is in no danger from me.

Thanks for this by the way :3

In fact I stated as much in the post you said, there as no interesting in seeing either of you eliminated.

Yeah I understand this is your position now, I was discussing a confusion that took place before that post (253?)

The line I bolded is interesting. Aisa is aware that Meg is close to a USR, but also expresses a desire to wait for more content from them. I'm not sure whether this is more likely to come from town or scum, sorry. I'll just move on.

This is where I got to. I am obviously not going to bother finishing it now lol but enjoy the read, everyone
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General thoughts on the gamestate

I think I understand the votes moving fast here, because both Meg and the worst have not been very active for several days and neither have really towntelled. I operate... slowly and I have an instinctive reaction of aversion to quick votes, but I get that others don't.

I think that if someone out there is considering hammering will still not advocate for anything other than patience here. Meg said they want a chance to leave their thoughts on the game; let's give them at least 24 hours to get their thoughts out. Gamma also wants Ythan to weigh in, which she would also have a chance to do if we waited a day.

Yume

@Yume:

why did you vote for Meg? Can you write a couple sentences about why you think they might be scum?

Spoiler:

VOTE: mastina

Every time I've been paranoid of her, she has been in the opposite faction, and this game I am paranoid of her, so she has to be scum.

She hasn’t even posted yet. On what are you basing this paranoia on?

I’m suspicious of this post unless you have some valid reason for this?

No, it's just a feeling.

That, and she posted in our PT something she posts when we're opposite alignments.

What did she post? You can paraphrase it?

Can I paraphrase an emoji?

You can try to describe it, I guess?

So you’re saying her posting a particular emojis is a scumtell for her?

Only if I am involved, but yes.

Like, I dunno how to explain it in the way those who weren't around in that game would understand.

Well, it's like a sideways heart emoji.

Like this <3?

Yea.

Yume, tell me a bit more about heartemojigate. Do you think there might be scum motivation behind it?

Buddying.

There's not much to say here, except that this progression looks kinda towny. A few of these posts were made quite close together; particularly from "she posted something in our PT" to "it's like a sideways heart emoji". The way she broke up the thought across multiple posts while getting questioned by Nancy makes her suspicion of mastina seem more real. scum!yume would have had to be deliberately vague initially and given the low post count I'm not sure she would expend energy on something this convoluted.

Well. That was a lot of words.

Slight townlean

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mastina

I had an initial townlean on her because I approved of her initial readslists, but on a reread I am no longer confident. She hasn't done anything overly scummy but I'm not seeing anything scum couldn't fake.

One worry is that some of her pushes, such as the push on Flea, register as possible scum trying to shake the game up.

Null.

MegAzumarill

A hard read given half her ISO is about the heart emoji, and I think her reaction to that whole affair was maybe a bit excessive.

As for her wall...

Spoiler:

First and foremost I don’t really like how TW hasn’t made efforts to engage in our PT. I know I wan’t active but it feels like TW isn’t interested in sorting my alignment because they made no effort for this since I last posted in there.

Rest of my thoughts are as I catch up. I’ll post a few pages at a time as I read.

Post 173: This post makes me feel like Nancy doesn’t really understand the situation or mechanics of the game and I don’t think Scum!nancy stands to gain much from faking this. A part of me thinks Scum!Nancy would get help from partners for understanding the setup.

Post 182: No it did not. I’ll probably drop that weirdness as it feels like genuine confusion which is probably slightly plus town for nancy and I don’t think more can be attributed to it at this point.

Post 187 Seems to be Furtive playing dumb and trying to OMGUS. +Scum

I like 196 from Flea, I feel like it makes sense but it’s mostly mechanical.

Post 202. This feels like Scum!Furtive. Actively sorting only scum reads isn’t critically evaluating the game. That’s trying to get a miselim through. If you are reading and focusing on the game you should be looking for towny and scummy things, you don’t just actively search one or the other. Like there’s not going to be more information on something just because you ignore other things. Doesn’t make sense.

Post 213 is interesting. I think Aisa/Furtive being both scums made some sense with furtive’s weirdness on the slot, but this post really blatantly seems to say why would furtive be weird

specifically with my slot.

The natural answer I feel is saying they are partners but I don’t think scum!Aisa is this blatant about it

252 Drives an interesting point by Cephir that I think leads more into the partnership of Furtive/Aisa. Due to the high density of scum I think these kind of associatives will be many between partners so I’m partial for it. I’m surprised nobody has suggested a furtive/aisa team to this point but I suppose I haven’t had any scummy points with Aisa on her own.

253 Makes me think Flea is town. Good analysis and I’m interested in seeing if they’ve got more reads.

271 +Town for Gamma. Fairly depth read but I don’t feel too strongly about the logic myself.

Will be back later for more,

Note to self: Start next on Page 12.

[Here I was going to explain that her points that stood out to me most were the ones on posts 202 and 253. I don't agree that 253 is a good analysis (duh), in fact it's not much of an "analysis" at all. Can elaborate on this if asked.

Post 202 was actually kinda making me tinfoil furtive.

]

I can understand the motivation to post this after the hammer as coming from either alignment. I would too if I'd spent time making a post (like this one). What I'm struggling to understand is the part at the end, in [square brackets]. What's the point of what I bolded in particular? Meg has just flipped Mafia, so why tell the group that their case on me influenced you? Besides, why is it in the past tense? Meg has flipped but I haven't, and yet it sounds like you've now ruled out the possibility of Meg bussing me (from the use of 'actually' and the tone of the line). One scum motivation for this that I can think of is the desire to show thought process. Then again, it's completely possible that you actually had this thought process. But why bring it up?

Gamma Emerald:

Spoiler:

Ftr I think Ythan is town since I see no real buddying or pocketing going on rn in our thread from her

Sounds like you are being pocketed /s

StD could you elaborate on your furtive scumread?

Based on? Where is Ythan pocketing Gamma?

Gamma: I see no evidence I’m being pocketed by Ythan.

Mega: sounds like you’re being pocketed by her. Dafuq?

“/s” means it was sarcasm

I said this before, but this is an indirect defence of Meg.

Gnight, love to know why you're thinking that in the morning and if you still stand by it.

Yeh I do, I'd like to vote off Meg or GE primarily

Oops found it.
ngl I expected a lil more stubstance.

Why these two?

I think Meg is everyone's biggest scumread for a reason, they haven't given as much content as everyone else except for maybe Yume.

GE feels a bit strategic in terms of the reads they've given out, like (initially) scumreading me and subtly defending Meg by explaining that one of their posts was sarcastic

vrej
why do people think random ass posts of mine are "defending" people
this is not the first time it's happened but it's still stupid af
I was clarifying Meg's posts for Nancy

GE expresses frustration at the point I made, despite it being more or less true - clarifying Meg's remark in this case makes it make sense, and therefore counters Nancy's defensive/agressive post towards Meg.

Gnight, love to know why you're thinking that in the morning and if you still stand by it.

Yeh I do, I'd like to vote off Meg or GE primarily

Oops found it.
ngl I expected a lil more stubstance.

Why these two?

I think Meg is everyone's biggest scumread for a reason, they haven't given as much content as everyone else except for maybe Yume.

GE feels a bit strategic in terms of the reads they've given out, like (initially) scumreading me and subtly defending Meg by explaining that one of their posts was sarcastic

vrej
why do people think random ass posts of mine are "defending" people
this is not the first time it's happened but it's still stupid af
I was clarifying Meg's posts for Nancy

So it was Mega who you thought was skirting around having a read on you then?

I'd say she's skirting around multiple slots but I meant you

GE accuses Meg of skirting around reading players. This interests me because there is no town motivation for doing this - GE is basically saying Meg is scum, but in a very casual way. I'd consider this associative.

I posted a list in my team thread earlier so I'm building from that

townreads

cephrir: this read has gotten stronger since I first said I TR him, I like his drive that he's showing so far.
yume: I think her mastina sus was genuine and she just feels natural rn
fenrir: clearly motivated to solve I think
ythan: hood interactions are clean and she's been solid in thread too

townleans

nancy: I was concerned about the lack of read on me but I think she's towny in how she responded to that.
furtive: I've actually liked his engagement with me. He's also effectively addressed some of my concerns about him.

nulls

the worst: will figure him out eventually, no clue rn. Anyone who bothers me about accelerating this will end up on my naughty list.
aisa: I felt she was towny early but I honestly don't have a strong impression of her posting

scumleans

mastina: this is a weird crackpot read, but I don't think her read me makes sense on a couple levels. Calling me town so early seems premature, and I also think her early reads on me trend towards the opposite of my actual alignment when she's town (yes I could be scum and mastina could be town and this would be accurate but w/e).
flea: I get a bit of a bad vibe from the constant clashing with aisa + furtive while not actually meaning to put pressure there

scumreads

meg: don't care for her handling of yume/nancy and it feels a bit like she's trying to lurk out

If I wanted to tinfoil an associative, I could see flea as scum with aisa or furtive based on the clashing without pushing, it registers as potential theater.

Meg is the only scumread on GE's list, yet her final comment is about 3 other users, 'tinfoiling' Flea (scumlean) with a townlean and a null. This reminds me of my scumplay when I have a buddy as a scumread but am louder about a town that I 'scumread'. I'd consider this 'associative'.

Why are you okay with your team being challenged, Meg?
Also did you read the rest of the game or are you interacting in real time for now?

This could be inviting a partner to post/cueing them in in a way.

VOTE: MegAzumarill
Since there’s already 3 tw votes I’ll do this instead

I'm still not sure how to read this because TW hasn't flipped yet.

Ythan:

Spoiler:

Oh duh it's Meg you were being defensive at ignore me I get it.

This is Ythan's only mention of Meg all game, apart from when they listed the players who were eligible to be voted after the first challenge. I consider this lack of interaction associative in itself, given that Ythan has interacted more substantially with 6/11 of the non-Ythan users by my count.

[furtiveglance]

Oh my fucking god
I’ll break it down later but furtive, Logic for thinking I’m associated with Meg sucks ass

Look forward to it

[furtiveglance]

STD, while you're active, what interests me most is your read on Ceph (and your PT with him). Can you summarise his thoughts in there, and/or why you think he's Mafia?

[furtiveglance]

also pulling the "if i were scum card" but i'd definitely not attack random people i knew would get aggro at me (nancy) or upset with me (cephrir)

Both of these assume S/T relations

[furtiveglance]

Can I ask that no more votes be placed until Ythan checks in

[furtiveglance]

also pulling the "if i were scum card" but i'd definitely not attack random people i knew would get aggro at me (nancy) or upset with me (cephrir)

Both of these assume S/T relations

Okay and?

I mean regardless it's a bad defence

[furtiveglance]

also like do you think town never defends themselves with shitty defenses?

I don't even scumread you. I just noticed an assumption

[furtiveglance]

That’s also a weird approach imo given scum!Ceph + town!nancy is closer to furtive’s actual reads I think

This is correct

[furtiveglance]

Aisa do you want to meet in the Pantry

[furtiveglance]

i guess it is interesting aisa felt the need to come to furitive's defense again

Easy pocket imo. Seems to be effective.

What's your experience with Aisa? I get the impression she gets scumread as town a lot.

[furtiveglance]

Oh and I've decided Cephy is red too.

I can get behind this

[furtiveglance]

Okay I'm gonna try to get this done.

Here's some motivation. Goodnight everyone

VOTE: Ythan

[furtiveglance]

I'd love any responses to either 828 or 898.

[furtiveglance]

I decided to go through interactions with Meg for the 3 other vote candidates, doing everyone would take too long for one post but I do want to do it soon.

Formatting note: a bit is unspoilered because I don't know how to spoiler quotes with spoilers in.

Aisa:

Spoiler:

Yume, tell me a bit more about heartemojigate. Do you think there might be scum motivation behind it?

Buddying.

That makes sense I guess. Totally separate question, has mastina talked to you in the hood about Meg, as of this post?

Aisa asks Yume whether mastina has been plotting against Meg in the hood - prior to this mastina had called Meg scum in her ridiculously early reads. I think this needs explaining by Aisa.

Meg, does the point in the following post factor into your Nancy read?

What does Yume have to do with Bell and Taly?

Bell and Taly were in a hood and Bell hard sr them but I didn’t listen and I think Yume seems really sincere so I’m trusting their gut on that for now.

I appreciate it, but do not use another player's meta as a reference. I tried doing that once, using two different players to justify my stance. It backfired.

I think her point is she's trying to listen to input people provide that comes from hood contents

Aisa asks Meg an open question about their read on Nancy. I can see this coming from town or scum.

>:/
why do you care about that?

In short, I think Meg is scummy, I've seen enough and would like to see the game moved into the next stage, a challenge.

In long:

Voting does nothing. If no one challenges Meg's team with the worst, then I will, just so we can vote Meg out.

Yesterday, furtive said he wanted to challenge Meg, so I turned to the PT to discuss this with him.

I scumlean Meg as much as anyone else, but she hasn't posted much.

I sort of debated with myself for a bit yesterday whether it was time for a challenge or whether we should wait for more content from certain slots, including Meg. I didn't come to a super definite conclusion but was kinda like "I accept it if you want to challenge Meg" in the PT.

furtive was like "uh ok so can I challenge the Snakes or not? "

I thought about it some more, saw Meg's post today and I am pretty ready to see a challenge on the snakes. But I don't want to voluntarily walk into a challenge unprompted - I thought I should at least try to get a different team to challenge the Snakes.

I obviously don't know how to be sneaky sneakk about getting another team to challenge the Snakes since you picked this up immediately.

You're always welcome to ask where I stand on someone. For now, furtive is in no danger from me.

Thanks for this by the way :3

In fact I stated as much in the post you said, there as no interesting in seeing either of you eliminated.

Yeah I understand this is your position now, I was discussing a confusion that took place before that post (253?)

The line I bolded is interesting. Aisa is aware that Meg is close to a USR, but also expresses a desire to wait for more content from them. I'm not sure whether this is more likely to come from town or scum, sorry. I'll just move on.

This is where I got to. I am obviously not going to bother finishing it now lol but enjoy the read, everyone
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General thoughts on the gamestate

I think I understand the votes moving fast here, because both Meg and the worst have not been very active for several days and neither have really towntelled. I operate... slowly and I have an instinctive reaction of aversion to quick votes, but I get that others don't.

I think that if someone out there is considering hammering will still not advocate for anything other than patience here. Meg said they want a chance to leave their thoughts on the game; let's give them at least 24 hours to get their thoughts out. Gamma also wants Ythan to weigh in, which she would also have a chance to do if we waited a day.

Yume

@Yume:

why did you vote for Meg? Can you write a couple sentences about why you think they might be scum?

Spoiler:

VOTE: mastina

Every time I've been paranoid of her, she has been in the opposite faction, and this game I am paranoid of her, so she has to be scum.

She hasn’t even posted yet. On what are you basing this paranoia on?

I’m suspicious of this post unless you have some valid reason for this?

No, it's just a feeling.

That, and she posted in our PT something she posts when we're opposite alignments.

What did she post? You can paraphrase it?

Can I paraphrase an emoji?

You can try to describe it, I guess?

So you’re saying her posting a particular emojis is a scumtell for her?

Only if I am involved, but yes.

Like, I dunno how to explain it in the way those who weren't around in that game would understand.

Well, it's like a sideways heart emoji.

Like this <3?

Yea.

Yume, tell me a bit more about heartemojigate. Do you think there might be scum motivation behind it?

Buddying.

There's not much to say here, except that this progression looks kinda towny. A few of these posts were made quite close together; particularly from "she posted something in our PT" to "it's like a sideways heart emoji". The way she broke up the thought across multiple posts while getting questioned by Nancy makes her suspicion of mastina seem more real. scum!yume would have had to be deliberately vague initially and given the low post count I'm not sure she would expend energy on something this convoluted.

Well. That was a lot of words.

Slight townlean

.

mastina

I had an initial townlean on her because I approved of her initial readslists, but on a reread I am no longer confident. She hasn't done anything overly scummy but I'm not seeing anything scum couldn't fake.

One worry is that some of her pushes, such as the push on Flea, register as possible scum trying to shake the game up.

Null.

MegAzumarill

A hard read given half her ISO is about the heart emoji, and I think her reaction to that whole affair was maybe a bit excessive.

As for her wall...

Spoiler:

First and foremost I don’t really like how TW hasn’t made efforts to engage in our PT. I know I wan’t active but it feels like TW isn’t interested in sorting my alignment because they made no effort for this since I last posted in there.

Rest of my thoughts are as I catch up. I’ll post a few pages at a time as I read.

Post 173: This post makes me feel like Nancy doesn’t really understand the situation or mechanics of the game and I don’t think Scum!nancy stands to gain much from faking this. A part of me thinks Scum!Nancy would get help from partners for understanding the setup.

Post 182: No it did not. I’ll probably drop that weirdness as it feels like genuine confusion which is probably slightly plus town for nancy and I don’t think more can be attributed to it at this point.

Post 187 Seems to be Furtive playing dumb and trying to OMGUS. +Scum

I like 196 from Flea, I feel like it makes sense but it’s mostly mechanical.

Post 202. This feels like Scum!Furtive. Actively sorting only scum reads isn’t critically evaluating the game. That’s trying to get a miselim through. If you are reading and focusing on the game you should be looking for towny and scummy things, you don’t just actively search one or the other. Like there’s not going to be more information on something just because you ignore other things. Doesn’t make sense.

Post 213 is interesting. I think Aisa/Furtive being both scums made some sense with furtive’s weirdness on the slot, but this post really blatantly seems to say why would furtive be weird

specifically with my slot.

The natural answer I feel is saying they are partners but I don’t think scum!Aisa is this blatant about it

252 Drives an interesting point by Cephir that I think leads more into the partnership of Furtive/Aisa. Due to the high density of scum I think these kind of associatives will be many between partners so I’m partial for it. I’m surprised nobody has suggested a furtive/aisa team to this point but I suppose I haven’t had any scummy points with Aisa on her own.

253 Makes me think Flea is town. Good analysis and I’m interested in seeing if they’ve got more reads.

271 +Town for Gamma. Fairly depth read but I don’t feel too strongly about the logic myself.

Will be back later for more,

Note to self: Start next on Page 12.

[Here I was going to explain that her points that stood out to me most were the ones on posts 202 and 253. I don't agree that 253 is a good analysis (duh), in fact it's not much of an "analysis" at all. Can elaborate on this if asked.

Post 202 was actually kinda making me tinfoil furtive.

]

I can understand the motivation to post this after the hammer as coming from either alignment. I would too if I'd spent time making a post (like this one). What I'm struggling to understand is the part at the end, in [square brackets]. What's the point of what I bolded in particular? Meg has just flipped Mafia, so why tell the group that their case on me influenced you? Besides, why is it in the past tense? Meg has flipped but I haven't, and yet it sounds like you've now ruled out the possibility of Meg bussing me (from the use of 'actually' and the tone of the line). One scum motivation for this that I can think of is the desire to show thought process. Then again, it's completely possible that you actually had this thought process. But why bring it up?

Gamma Emerald:

Spoiler:

Ftr I think Ythan is town since I see no real buddying or pocketing going on rn in our thread from her

Sounds like you are being pocketed /s

StD could you elaborate on your furtive scumread?

Based on? Where is Ythan pocketing Gamma?

Gamma: I see no evidence I’m being pocketed by Ythan.

Mega: sounds like you’re being pocketed by her. Dafuq?

“/s” means it was sarcasm

I said this before, but this is an indirect defence of Meg.

Gnight, love to know why you're thinking that in the morning and if you still stand by it.

Yeh I do, I'd like to vote off Meg or GE primarily

Oops found it.
ngl I expected a lil more stubstance.

Why these two?

I think Meg is everyone's biggest scumread for a reason, they haven't given as much content as everyone else except for maybe Yume.

GE feels a bit strategic in terms of the reads they've given out, like (initially) scumreading me and subtly defending Meg by explaining that one of their posts was sarcastic

vrej
why do people think random ass posts of mine are "defending" people
this is not the first time it's happened but it's still stupid af
I was clarifying Meg's posts for Nancy

GE expresses frustration at the point I made, despite it being more or less true - clarifying Meg's remark in this case makes it make sense, and therefore counters Nancy's defensive/agressive post towards Meg.

Gnight, love to know why you're thinking that in the morning and if you still stand by it.

Yeh I do, I'd like to vote off Meg or GE primarily

Oops found it.
ngl I expected a lil more stubstance.

Why these two?

I think Meg is everyone's biggest scumread for a reason, they haven't given as much content as everyone else except for maybe Yume.

GE feels a bit strategic in terms of the reads they've given out, like (initially) scumreading me and subtly defending Meg by explaining that one of their posts was sarcastic

vrej
why do people think random ass posts of mine are "defending" people
this is not the first time it's happened but it's still stupid af
I was clarifying Meg's posts for Nancy

So it was Mega who you thought was skirting around having a read on you then?

I'd say she's skirting around multiple slots but I meant you

GE accuses Meg of skirting around reading players. This interests me because there is no town motivation for doing this - GE is basically saying Meg is scum, but in a very casual way. I'd consider this associative.

I posted a list in my team thread earlier so I'm building from that

townreads

cephrir: this read has gotten stronger since I first said I TR him, I like his drive that he's showing so far.
yume: I think her mastina sus was genuine and she just feels natural rn
fenrir: clearly motivated to solve I think
ythan: hood interactions are clean and she's been solid in thread too

townleans

nancy: I was concerned about the lack of read on me but I think she's towny in how she responded to that.
furtive: I've actually liked his engagement with me. He's also effectively addressed some of my concerns about him.

nulls

the worst: will figure him out eventually, no clue rn. Anyone who bothers me about accelerating this will end up on my naughty list.
aisa: I felt she was towny early but I honestly don't have a strong impression of her posting

scumleans

mastina: this is a weird crackpot read, but I don't think her read me makes sense on a couple levels. Calling me town so early seems premature, and I also think her early reads on me trend towards the opposite of my actual alignment when she's town (yes I could be scum and mastina could be town and this would be accurate but w/e).
flea: I get a bit of a bad vibe from the constant clashing with aisa + furtive while not actually meaning to put pressure there

scumreads

meg: don't care for her handling of yume/nancy and it feels a bit like she's trying to lurk out

If I wanted to tinfoil an associative, I could see flea as scum with aisa or furtive based on the clashing without pushing, it registers as potential theater.

Meg is the only scumread on GE's list, yet her final comment is about 3 other users, 'tinfoiling' Flea (scumlean) with a townlean and a null. This reminds me of my scumplay when I have a buddy as a scumread but am louder about a town that I 'scumread'. I'd consider this 'associative'.

Why are you okay with your team being challenged, Meg?
Also did you read the rest of the game or are you interacting in real time for now?

This could be inviting a partner to post/cueing them in in a way.

VOTE: MegAzumarill
Since there’s already 3 tw votes I’ll do this instead

I'm still not sure how to read this because TW hasn't flipped yet.

Ythan:

Spoiler:

Oh duh it's Meg you were being defensive at ignore me I get it.

This is Ythan's only mention of Meg all game, apart from when they listed the players who were eligible to be voted after the first challenge. I consider this lack of interaction associative in itself, given that Ythan has interacted more substantially with 6/11 of the non-Ythan users by my count.

It’s definitely not uncommon for scum to ignore their buddies. I think Gamma and Ythan extremely unlikely to be aligned based off reactions to the challenge, since Gamma issued it and Ythan seems pissed we’re requiring any input from her.

Yh I don't think Gamma is scum with either Ythan or Aisa based on the challenge, just seems too risky

[furtiveglance]

Yeah I know you hate ellitelling but it turned out to be true in Mega’s case.

My response to this is a bit like what STD said, lack of interaction just gives automatic partner equity in my eyes. But, Ythan has interacted with half the group like I said before so it's not as if they ignored everyone

[furtiveglance]

Hello Gimli

Your slot is currently under heavy suspicion but cannot be voted for because Gamma Emerald challenged my team, the Parrots

[furtiveglance]

welcome gimli

sorry you're scum

don't worry we'll end your suffering as quickly as we can

shhh it'll all be over soon

I still believe in you Gimli, ignore this man^

Feel free to drop as many associatives as you want, don't feel awkward

[furtiveglance]

Hello Gimli

Your slot is currently under heavy suspicion but cannot be voted for because Gamma Emerald challenged my team, the Parrots

hello pretty boy

I already don't like this at all

[furtiveglance]

oh Gimli

[furtiveglance]

I can definitely see a Meg/Gimli/Ythan world. I want to jettison Ythan, steamroll Gimli and then (if they're both maf) let the final mafia try and 1v8 nightless

[furtiveglance]

Basically you have to be eliminated

This seems like an oversimplification

Had thoughts about the last few pages but they fell out of my head

Did they tho

[furtiveglance]

I may try to reconstruct them later if I feel like it

Pls feel like it

[furtiveglance]

I may try to reconstruct them later if I feel like it

Pls feel like it

I feel like y'all are going to kill me regardless at this point and that tends to make me lose interest

self-fulfilling isn't it

[furtiveglance]

Okay I'm gonna try to get this done.

4 hours later...

God I hate mafia.

Still reading and pondering.

Another couple hours...

I open in the morning and I don't owe this game any more stress I'll be back tomorrow.

If you're reading so much, you must have done a lot of thinking. Has Ythan been typing up a wallpost this whole time? Or is she just playing for time...

I really don't like these situations but...

[furtiveglance]

she's posted a couple things in the hood that seem to indicate she's making progress
I also asked for just some rough thoughts when she was available

Can you summarise?

[furtiveglance]

I don't think this game has been inane, having played in some inane games

[furtiveglance]

We're all in pairs, one pair challenges another, those 4 can be voted.

[furtiveglance]

Furtive I wanna be in your hood

Can you see all the posts in yours, including Meg, Hu Tao and the worst?

[furtiveglance]

the worst posted a few reads, meg posted a few reads. they stopped talking january 2nd

Can you see why people think the Snakes (your team) are S/S

[furtiveglance]

I'd love any responses to either 828 or 898.

what are your reads on the players you mentioned in 898? i see you wanting an answer from aisa but not you chasing her down to get one since afaict it hasn't materialized

Gth town on Aisa, but more complicated than previously. I'm aware Aisa has been busy so hopefully she can answer soon

[furtiveglance]

im not sure why i agreed to play this game when i knew from looking at the player list that i would be eliminated this game no matter what i rolled lol

I hope this isn't directed at me, it's not how I play.

[furtiveglance]

you feel very defeatist

i am feeling less defeated than i was the other day but yes i mean the cows are coming home to roost as far as my decision to sign up for a game with a bunch of players who don't like me

This ate is just unnecessary

[furtiveglance]

you feel very defeatist

i am feeling less defeated than i was the other day but yes i mean the cows are coming home to roost as far as my decision to sign up for a game with a bunch of players who don't like me

This ate is just unnecessary

i don't do it because it's necessary i am simply a human with feelings

Well I mean that I don't not like you

[furtiveglance]

i believe you when you say that but i'm also observing that our playstyles don't seem to mesh very well so it's functionally similar

I scumread you in 1 other game

[furtiveglance]

Imagine having another player in a hood to solve with
Couldn't be me

and then proceeded to throw a fit cause TW wasn't posting in the hood lmao

How are you amused in every post

[furtiveglance]

i believe you when you say that but i'm also observing that our playstyles don't seem to mesh very well so it's functionally similar

I scumread you in 1 other game

and i suspected you in that game also and i do here as well but im forced to acknoeledge at some point that it may be a style thing

i do regret posting that post now, i entered this game determined to keep that out of the thread and i've let myself down by not doing so

i guess like, it's not just the quantity, something about the quality of the experiences is making me think this, at least from my end in terms of me suspecting you

Alright. All told I haven't read your ISO recently so I'll give you another look tonight when I get on the craptop. And you can tell me why I'm sus as well. I don't think you're in imminent danger regardless, after this vote we'll all pile on Gimli

[furtiveglance]

How are you amused in every post

I haven't played mafia in two years so everything feels fresh

do you like my vibe?

I think you're mafia, I've made that clear. As for your vibe, I guess it's somewhat fun. I feel like I've played with you before possibly but you don't have to say.

[furtiveglance]

How are you amused in every post

I haven't played mafia in two years so everything feels fresh

do you like my vibe?

Let's move the game on then. If people think this is unfair...I just think Ythan's had enough time

[furtiveglance]

Wrong quote, meant to quote 1127

[furtiveglance]

Nancy do you want to vote Ythan soon?

I'm not usually a hurry upper but I can feel myself losing interest

[furtiveglance]

I think my gut impulse is to townread both yume and Nancy for caring about this emoji thing.

I agree, +town for this read

After a quick look back I kinda think meg could be scum. I don't see depth of thought there

+town for relatively early on Meg

And with your team. It's possible for both members of the team to be scumbuddies and generally an early tactic is often to not bring any light onto your buddies. The absence of you from his ISO screams louder than anything else there, and it caught my attention.

i was going to say something like "surely there are other pairs who aren't focused on each other" but then i realized there actually aren't

aisa's defense comes off townie but it's curious that it was posted from a motivation standpoint. why not let furtive fight his own battles

You might be too far tunneled for help from me at this point. Good luck getting me/us killed then, it won't be easy

i havent exhaustively read this post yet but this seems out of proportion to flea's like, probing and reasonably mild suspicions in your area. also strange how much you view yourself as a unit with aisa

These posts pairing me with Aisa are a bit too level 1, +scum

And when pressed on the matter you go out of your way to re-affirm another states scumread. You feel inauthentic.

while i am currently agreeing with this it seems like furtive still has an outstanding question to you and id like to see it answered if i didn't miss that

well I’ll wait for him to explicitly ask me before engaging that.

I am baffled by furtive's choice to not acknowledge this exchange

Like, gamma is supposedly one of your top suspects because of this unexplained action; I have set up an alley oop for you to get answers, and you're standing there checking out the bleachers

well I’ll wait for him to explicitly ask me before engaging that.

I am baffled by furtive's choice to not acknowledge this exchange

Like, gamma is supposedly one of your top suspects because of this unexplained action; I have set up an alley oop for you to get answers, and you're standing there checking out the bleachers

Ok sure I will now formally ask Gamma Emerald why I was sus and not you all those pages ago, because apparently the onus is on me now

I mean yes I don't know why she chose to not just answer the question but,

This whole thing seems like trying to stir up beef between me and Gamma, +scum

I'm at a point where I would be interested to see an iguanas vs snakes challenge.

I think all four have scum equity

and I'd like to see them under pressure & commit the whole game to sorting them all

explain this pls? specifically Ythan because that's the one I think makes the least sense rn

Oh, I thought furtive and aisa were the iguanas, my bad. I meant parrots and snakes

I currently suspect both of you enough to want more information, yes

Again scumread on me and Aisa, but then qualified to just 'want more info' seems like appeasement, +scum

I'm not that interested in helping myself when the attack is so dumb

Meg is going to lurk no matter what I do. The worst might post if prodded. It's simple

Why is a poster less useful to have in the game?

Surely you want to smoke the lurkier player on principle?

And this is as if you have no read on either player, how is that possible?

Your whole line both in this post and before it assumes that I definitely want the player I'm voting for to die which is weird considering I expressly stated otherwise when I placed the vote

I do not have no read on either player and I'm not sure where you got that idea. I have stated suspicion on both of them more than once

I can sort of see thought process here, +town, but also seeing your vote as a prod rather than an attack is a bit strange so it cancels out

This game nightless right. What if we just voted off everyone apart from me and Aisa

You misspelled "flea and save the dragons"

Not including self is just unintuitive for my towny brain, +scum

You know what, it’s Cobra Kai time.

STRIKE HARD
STRIKE FAST
NO MERCY

I challenge the Purple Parrots

Hold up. This challenge makes 0 sense if you TR me, which you're claiming to. Motivation was...pressure on Aisa and Ythan? You know I TR Aisa. I can't see town motivation for doing this Gamma, you need to explain sharpish.

This seems like an overreaction. This isn't survivor or high school, they don't have to like the same people you like

Misses my point (that Gamma derailed town's direction) to score a cheap point after I did overreact, +scum

I think Aida’s last burst of activity is a scumtell.
I’ll explain once at my computer.

I had a similar feeling

I disagree with this thought and therefore don't like it too much

RVS vote but I'll take this as anti-associative

Really annoying that this was all you could be bothered to read/respond to, unless I've missed something else, +scum

I may try to reconstruct them later if I feel like it

This is +scum automatically for being lazy, and not having the natural desire to share thoughts which every good town is born with

[furtiveglance]

Sorry I forgot to spoiler that, anyway Cephrir you have more negative points than positive ones

[furtiveglance]

(Cautiously optimistic I'll be back at full strength tomorrow, feel free to mislim to your heart's content tho because *shrug*.)

Are you still thinking Ythan is town? Why? Have you ever explained it?

[furtiveglance]

(Cautiously optimistic I'll be back at full strength tomorrow, feel free to mislim to your heart's content tho because *shrug*.)

UNVOTE: to give mastina time to post

I think mastina's post means she will be around tomorrow and therefore not post more today

[furtiveglance]

upvote

reddit is cringe I'm sorry

[furtiveglance]

and how would that matter?

And what's wrong with giving her a chance to say something?

nothing wrong or right with it, the premise is broken because there is no night phase

[furtiveglance]

I could painstakingly respond to furtive since his points are largely not very good or rely on an assumption that all town players think the way he does, but it seems like a waste of time

Fine. Why don't you explain why I'm suspicious to you, in a similar fashion? Or is that 'not your style'? Can you put it in an enigmatic emoji for me? Or, record an interpretative dance and upload it.

This game relies on communication, it doesn't have to be wallposts, but it has to be words. Saying you cba to share your thoughts like you did earlier isn't conducive to good conversation, which is what town needs for a win.

Don't get me wrong, I like you, as much as anyone can like an avatar on a screen, but I need more, or it's not really fair for you to complain that I scumread you.

[furtiveglance]

Fuck subtlety
Let’s finish this challenge so we can vote out Gimli

Yes. You, me, Fenrir. The Impatient Iguanas

[furtiveglance]

Why does scum gamma challenge you and fur...itive then lean towards her own partner

I'm so glad you managed to avoid spelling my username furative like usual, and correctly spell-oh.

[furtiveglance]

Is furtive a real word

It is. Google is a wonderful thing

[furtiveglance]

I'm really sorry I'm not trying to honestly it's just not really in my lexicon

but lexicon is

[furtiveglance]

I still want to vote out Gimli, is everyone else on board?

[furtiveglance]

Anyway, that flip resolves my formerly complex read on Gamma Emerald

[furtiveglance]

Maybe a bit of downtime is in order.

[furtiveglance]

There is no autowin, this is mountainous.

[furtiveglance]

Only 1 players in the temple?

[furtiveglance]

I'm universally scumread and replaced into it with 40+ pages. didn't have time to do proper work, etc. so I'm just here you know, interacting in real time, and whatnot. I am lazy but also calling me lazy for not putting in work is a little unfair, I think.

Gimli, I'm going to vote you soon, you'll be hammered soon. If you're town, the best thing you can do is evidence your case on Nancy. Where's the scum theatre? I made a big post of Meg associatives, I think I said Nancy looked more town in the conclusion. Can you look at that?

I won't vote until later.

[furtiveglance]

Also with the mod being on later, we might as well wait before hammering

[furtiveglance]

Quoting makes it feel like trying to justify it with what is obviously RVS sillyness

???

Come again?

Exactly how are you getting “rvs silliness” from all of that? What part of it are you reading as that?

anyone else feels like this is SvS interaction? moreso on how over the top nancy gets about it, like she has to escalate cause she feels it's a distancing play

If you do flip town, I'll take this more seriously but rn I think that specific interaction would happen if Nancy was either alignment, and I townread her on the rest of the game

[furtiveglance]

made you look

VOTE: gimli

You really like the made you look thing huh

Anyway. Ostensibly this game looks quite easy but if Gimli flips town I'll have a real headache because that slot has spent nearly all game in the scumbin. But in that case, I think I'll have to share my secret (and terrifying) scumread on:

Spoiler: secret scumread (don't hate me)

made you look

Did I do it right? Or was it too obvious

[furtiveglance]

do we know how many scum there are? it's a 12er so 3?

Do you expect us to believe that this never crossed your mind before now?

Omg guys Gimli towntold stop the wagon

[furtiveglance]

Ceph if Gimli is red who is the last airbender?

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: gimli

And my axe

Gud mem

[furtiveglance]

This "made you look" character is looking pretty guilty tbh

Damn right, and I think they're partnered with

Spoiler: made you look

we need to stop doing this

[furtiveglance]

Honestly as far as I'm bothered the last is in Aisa and Mastina right now.

I think Nancy/Flea/Gamma are all town

I also think StD/Yume are town

I believe Aisa is town

Between Mastina and Cephrir for me.

[furtiveglance]

I'll explain why later

VOTE: mastina

[furtiveglance]

Loving the flavour