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Hmm, I want to townread you for saying this.In post 7, MURDERSUNNY wrote:I hope we can all handle this little disagreement peacefully. Anyone want a peach?-
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Mad that you randed scum?In post 26, Noraa wrote:You meanieeeeeeeeeeeee >:(-
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A little. I heard that you dislike rolling scum, so wanted to make a post in that direction.In post 32, Noraa wrote:also is this shade that I see?-
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I'm not sure, but I'd be interested in knowing who.In post 30, staypositivefriend wrote:btw there's one person in this game that i townread so far. does anyone wanna guess who it is?-
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This is very questionable. Wonder why they think so.In post 46, Something_Smart wrote:Sources say that midway is very scummy.-
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Cool. I'm not sure I can say the same yet though. Whenever people fake scumclaim early in the game, it makes me a bit suspicious even though this has not worked in the past.In post 48, staypositivefriend wrote:their name rhymes with "HidMay Wear"-
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Feels like a fake readIn post 51, Cheetory6 wrote:hell yeah I've always wanted a nickname like "sources"-
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Ok, what's your read on me(assuming you've been able to catch up).In post 60, Something_Smart wrote:
Gut.In post 49, midwaybear wrote:This is very questionable. Wonder why they think so.
Also, not reading Murdercat as townie anymore mostly because I'm thinking I was initially too eager. He can argue about this if he wants though.-
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Why do you think that?In post 71, Something_Smart wrote:Your last post is somewhat towny though.
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Maria's entrance is unique from what I've seen before, but her vote is neutral.
It was more of Cakez voting Cheetory that seemed a bit unnatural. Cakez's vote seems like a bandwagon vote, and I don't know if his explanation (fifth fortnight) is genuine. This seems like a stretch theory now that I posted-
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Interesting coincidence then...In post 78, SirCakez wrote:I haven't read anything I just legit am not gonna let Cheet roll over me againI don't really have a read on him because this behavior is mostly NAI for him. What pinged you?
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Can you explain your progression on me?In post 89, Cheetory6 wrote:midway and s_s are both in my pile of townleans that will be completely useless by page 7.-
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Hmm it seemed like all of his early posts followed the same style of general filler comments. I guess without previous experience it can look awkward, but if you scroll through some past games, he tends to do this at least early on. I feel like pressure at this point may be helpful(and it appears to have done something), but I wouldn't want to go much further than that yet.-
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Fair enough. Are you mad at something related to this game?In post 112, Noraa wrote:Oh ok well I'm not feeling like doing anything currently and voting me isn't gonna change that cuz I'm mad over something rn.-
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What is alignment indicative to youIn post 122, Jake The Wolfie wrote:I can say that every vote is opportunistic for both sides. Town gets rid of a potential LHF earlier rather than later, and scum gets a free town kill.-
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You could say something like that.
Your original answer was mostly a nonanswer. Sure town and scum both have incentive to vote you, but as you said, there sometimes is that intuition that allows you to see the difference. Simply leaving things at "yeah could be town or scum pushing me" didn't seem like much of an answer to me, so I was curious to how you scumhunt.-
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Jake's vote on spf implies that he was reading back on the votes of his wagon. I think I would find this slightly town indicative because reading back on his votes implies that he is trying to sort his wagon.
However, I also don't agree with almost everything he said on the ensuing page or so, but he seems to generally believe in what he is saying? Meh.
I'm really not sure where you got that spf wanted to feel special in making a wagon? Also, why do you think "concentrating momentum" on you is scummy? Do you think you were in danger of actually being asked to leave?In post 134, Jake The Wolfie wrote:Why wouldn't you push someone because you wanted to hear more from them, instead of "Well I wanted to feel special in making a wagon!!!"
In general, would you not view this as scummy?In post 141, Something_Smart wrote:Why is having a trashy vote and not following up scummy for her?
But is that not your ultimate goal when you read the playstyle of a player?In post 150, Jake The Wolfie wrote:Reading the playstyle of a player isn't meta.
Imterpreting the actions of the present with the past to scumhunt is meta.
Cheetory seems townie from 172 and 173.
What wasn't great? This feels like a safe way to pile on a wagon, and I'd like to get more from you.In post 184, Gamma Emerald wrote:but your response to SPF wasn't exactly great
This seems more in line from my past experience, but I'm also wondering why you decided to enter the way you did with the joke about peaches.In post 187, MariaR wrote:I'll start reading the game seriously at page 14 until then hf friends~
Confused as to what Spring Breeze is doing.
I can see how you would view it as townie, but I also think the general approach is pretty easily fakeable as scum? How do you feel about the spf/Jake interaction then? Do you think it's genuine from her?In post 225, Zaiden wrote:What they said about how they want to approach the game aligns with how I'm seeking to approach the game as town.
Maybe? But I also don't think a lot of scum players would call meta bad for the reason of discrediting meta scumreads. I think the alternate theory that "meta bad" is, well, meta for him is more likely.In post 225, Zaiden wrote:But I have my reservations about that. It could be an attempt to discredit links to scum pattern from previous games.-
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How can this be distancing? Your read on Gamma seems neutral from what I can see.
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It is site meta for people to randomly vote in the early stages of the game.In post 237, Zaiden wrote:why did you vote me when I didn't have a chance to defend myself
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Hmm. I'm not really sure what you mean here. How are you anticipating these inconsistencies to look like? If you mean that their progressions will eventually fall apart, that could happen, but capable players tend to be able to cover their tracks on that front.In post 242, Zaiden wrote:But eventually inconsistencies will pile up right? If scum if forced to go back on their claims, die on hills or even backtrack. So it feels like a win-win, since if you force an interaction from mafia early that causes them to make a mistake that can't be retrieved
LHF stands for Low Hanging Fruit which means that they generally are scumread as either alignment due to playstyle reasons.In post 242, Zaiden wrote:what does LHF mean? And why are LHF scummy?
Perhaps less productive, so I can see that you might think Jake is less townie than spf. Do you scumread him though? I think asking who should be killed generally leads into a conversation about why.In post 242, Zaiden wrote:Jake kept asking Gamma who should be killed rather than reads/why someone else should be killed. Seems less productive/helpful to me than what SPF is attempting.
Yeah, I just meant that Cheetory might have past history of being against meta.In post 242, Zaiden wrote:Would you be able to better explain/re-phrase: "I think the alternate theory that "meta bad" is, well, meta for him is more likely."-
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Because I don't want to mishang you for doing nothing. It's difficult to read you right now.In post 249, Noraa wrote:Why do you care? It's like page 10.-
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@Zaiden
If by flips you mean roles being revealed, then those will happen.
Why would you expect town to immediately prove that they aren't? From my experience, Jake tends to be general LHF player, and it seems like he is aware of that so why should he try to prove himself otherwise. Also, I don't think Jake was accused of being LHF, he just straight up admitted it which is interesting.In post 261, Zaiden wrote:If I was accused of being LHF, my first reaction would be to prove I'm actually a HHF. Not to deflect like that. Also he jumped straight to asking Gamma who should be killed to deflect attention away from himself/them. Imo this early on we should be asking who looks scummy, why are they scummy and observe further comments/replies they make. Then ask whether they should they be killed or if there are other more suspicious people. His line of logic does not follow that natural order I've just given.
I get your suspicion about him asking Gamma who should be killed. I think that was just a conversation starter, and not seriously with intent to kill someone.-
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Ok, so you think I am scum trying to look good by highposting then? Bad method to get a read tbh.In post 305, Gypyx wrote:mostly that you're painfully null compared to your postcount
Noraa, if you think I am scum for "bad faith approaching you", then I think you need to reconsider that read. I just don't want you to get away with doing nothing. Sure, you might think that me accusing you of that is surface level, but at the time, you really weren't doing much.-
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Well I'm town, so I guess you just can't see itIn post 324, Gypyx wrote:if you were town, i'd expect you (including anyone else) to say something towny, here idk if i just can't see it, but your ISO is nullville to me
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smhIn post 332, Gypyx wrote:you're scum cuz you're null-
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His only game on this site seems to be a scum game though.In post 416, MariaR wrote:they're trying to project their town game and talk about things they do as town to try and replicate that same energy than just being town.
What seemed fake to you in 225? I poked around his reasoning earlier, but it didn't come across as scummy.-
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What do you mean by this? You don't like someone's posts, but that's just fine because ...In post 427, PrivateI wrote:Also not overly liking Spring Breeze, but that's fine.
I'm going to assume that you are talking about Zaiden's thought process here, and I'm going to say that I noticed that as well. I've been a bit more unsuspicious because he is relatively new.In post 430, MariaR wrote:Thought process and the way you get to point A to B seems very...meh
Darn.In post 456, Spring Breeze wrote:what's pinging you about me and why is that fine?
Yeah, I don't really think my wagon will go anywhere. The longer Gypyx/Noraa votepark me, the worse it looks.In post 457, Zaiden wrote:So I don't quite understand why there's a push against them. I've looked through their posts and haven't seen anything off.
Err as scum yeah he tends to buddy and charm his way through games. To be honest, I am a little scared to scumread him I don't think I'm the best at reading him, but he was gut town early on for me.In post 457, Zaiden wrote:Does no one else seriously think this could be scum attempting to buddy all the girls in the lobby through the power of simping?
It seems like Jake hopped on spf because he found her vote the scummiest, and I think I townread the process behind that.In post 458, MURDERSUNNY wrote:I think Jake hopped onto an existing CW with the intent of diverting pressure. Or at least I think it's a possibility.
Heh, it seems like a lot of people have picked up on that line from PrivateI.
Just curious, how much of this townread on me was influenced by petapan?In post 483, staypositivefriend wrote:midway are probably the two names that i townread the most strongly right now.
What's your read on Jake now?In post 483, staypositivefriend wrote:let me know if there's anything specific that y'all want my opinion onI like this.
lol are you talking about me here?In post 497, Noraa wrote:T^T how come im the only one that does see these scummy posts-
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I voted her because she made 3 contentless posts to begin with. Wondering why Zaiden decided to hop on, but probably for similar reasons.In post 499, Gypyx wrote:wait wtf where does that spring wagon comes from-
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If he wasn't looking back on his votes, then yeah it's scummy. Definitely possible that he just decided to tack on some reasons to scumread the person attacking him.In post 505, MURDERSUNNY wrote:But what if, get this, it was a lie?-
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure peta has a pretty good handle on reading me which is why I asked.
I scrolled through those posts from Jake, and your points seem pretty good. Those seemed to come after your interaction yesterday, so I'm guessing you still find his reactions in the moment to be a bit muddled?
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BTW, I think I'm a little more cautious on Jake because of this, but I do still have him as slight town.In post 514, staypositivefriend wrote:in spite of that, i don't necessarily see his reaction as coming from a scum mindset. if anything, the messiness and inconsistency of his reaction is town indicative
Murder, would be interested in hearing about your scumread on Jake.-
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Yeah, you just said you thought he was lying(correct me if I'm wrong). I don't know if there's any argument to be had over that.In post 549, MURDERSUNNY wrote:I gave my thoughts, how about you justify the TR?-
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Hmm. I don't know if opportunistic is a thing this early. Feel like the typical scum reaction would just be to play it cool instead of making moves like he did.In post 555, MURDERSUNNY wrote:That wasn't really my point, my point was that I thought Jake's vote was opportunistic while under pressure and that the justification given could easily be fake. So now why do you TR there?
With your scumread of him on mind, I'm definitely more conflicted though. I wouldn't want to disagree with you just for the sake of it.-
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Felt like a lot longer than 24 hours ngl
Finding Murder townie for 560. The attitude of unnecessarily advocating for yourself generally reads as townie for me, and he already did such earlier as well.
PrivateI, wondering why you felt that Spring overjustified on the Cheetory vote. 421 looked fine to me?
I am not sure what the point of 585 was. Cheetory's motivation seems pretty clear/clean, and it felt to me that Cakez overplayed a bit. Eh.-
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He still has to actually do things though.In post 603, midwaybear wrote:Hot taking Gamma as town actually because his play makes little sense from a scum standpoint. Need to stew on this a bit more though.-
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Him posting that weird comment to Jake right after I said I was considering townreading him for doing nothing felt forced. At the very least, I would expect a town Gamma to engage with me on why he is playing like this.In post 617, Zaiden wrote:Additionally, I honestly don't get why people are voting for Gamma.-
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