TM 2021 - Black Flag Nightless
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Shirou He/HimMafia ScumHe/Him
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If Mena isn't willing to vote Auro/Flopz with us today, assuming I'm not wrong on Flopz, only one other person in [Shirou, Chennis, Lilith, AL, Joqi, Math] can not agree to vote Auro with us for town to not have enough numbers.
In other words, people that believe in scum!Auro [Shirou, Chennis, Lilith??] need to convince 2/3 of [Math , Mena, Joqi] to vote Auro here unless we switch to Flopz since Math/Joqi already wants to vote Flopz.
If AL is also opposed to considering Auro today I guess it updates to 3/4 of [Math, Mena, Joqi, AL] which to me is...so much work...-
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If everyone unanimously agree to:In post 4246, Auro wrote:
Was expecting that Shirou!town would jump at thisIn post 4223, Menalque wrote:(2) she thinks that if we decide to do shirou’s plan from yesterday then it’s non-negotiable that shirou dies first, but then gets to pick the elims for the next 2 days
1) Not say a single word in D3/D4 and just place their votes
2) ignore anyone that doesn't place the correct votes in D3/D4 and continuously only say/quote "vote correctly" as a reply to every post someone out of the voting block makes. No discussion whatsoever.
I could consider it. Dunno if I would agree, but I could give it a good consideration.
I honestly don't think it's something huge because eliminating one of Auro/Flopz shouldn't be hard in the upcoming 4 lims to the point that losing one elim and "trusting" people to follow the plan seems more complicated than just sit here insisting on you, because I'm not voting outside of You/Flopz today so for a Math wagon, only someone else needs to disagree together with me for it to be a non-pure town wagon, which I think I could try talking to Chennis.-
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This isn't a "I think my reads are precisely correct and am willing to be BoP based on them". It's even more than something like this, it's:
"It's mathematically likely that the game ends with Auro/Flopz if our town block is right, and even if our townblock is wrong on someone". This isn't subjective if we assume the two original, simple premises of the plan.-
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Auro I'm happy you're shading me.
If possible, I would like you to place me as your top scumread.
Look, I'm scared of being limmed in this game since I'm scum that loses today if I get limmed. Isn't that scary?
The game ends with a single scum lim now, things like BoP / Sacrifices are a no-no don't you see?
I think you're wrong on scum!Lilith here, doesn't scum!Shirou seems to make more sense given my above posts?-
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Do I need to be more scummy in that case?In post 4252, Auro wrote:Sorry boi but you can only get second place at tops
Also, doesn't a Lilith/Shirou scumteam makessuper sense?
Why aren't you considering that there's two scums that should be defending each other now that they can't afford another lim?
Isn't Lilith/Shirou, that doesn't seem to be in danger of being limmed right now, a huge concern for town!Auro?-
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I don't need to, I just need to scum it up no?In post 4256, Auro wrote:
On the condition that you engage with me for many pages.In post 4250, Shirou wrote:You were even getting it right yesterday coming to "scum!Shirou". It shouldn't be hard to come back to your previous reads right?
Come, it's very comfy in the scum!Shirou block/wagon. I invite you to sit here.
There's no way that town!Auro doesn't think it's Lilith + Shirou when I'm happily hard placing Lilith in the "town block", and making a plan to endgame if we're wrong on Lilith?
Isn't Lilith + Shirou the obvious answer here?!-
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I'm talking from "town!Auro" pov.In post 4259, Menalque wrote:
not reallyIn post 4257, Shirou wrote:Also, doesn't a Lilith/Shirou scumteam makes super sense?
shirou/chenn or shirou/AL makes much more sense
He hard scum reads Lilith, and is suspicious of me, while he seems to think AL isn't scum.
From his PoV, Lilith + Shirou should be the most likely pairing.-
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Not only Lilith + Shirou is the most likely pairing for you town!Auro, it's also incredibly worrying because don't you think town isn't in a good place at the moment if that is the scumz?
Town wants mostly to:
Eliminate Flopz
Eliminate AL
Eliminate Math
and it's not even including you, which is not very, if at all, town read.
Isn't that enough elims to a possible endgame...?
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Look at this scum slip by the wayIn post 4264, Shirou wrote:Town wants mostly to:
Rather than "Majority", "Board", or etc. I instantly said "Town".
I can't believe you're letting me + Lilith get away this easy Auro. You didn't even place a vote yet.-
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@Mena, it's not really PoE, after Johnny flip I gave a re:read on his wagon risen, and in some other pages, and my conclusion was that Flopz/Auro were the most likely partners.
I think it's possible that Math is scum but I don't see a huge equity at the moment. It's not only a mechanical decision, it's a read + mechanical decision which is why it's strong in my mind.-
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Yes, and upon Johnny flip I reconsidered with how Johnny insisted on DK being obvtown.In post 4267, Menalque wrote:didn't u think math was scum at EoD yesterday shirou
I don't think it's the simplest answer, and I think the mildly simple answer in the game is the most likely one rather than scum!Johnny hard associating himself with his partner in Black Flag.-
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I don't think that's the kind of bold play scum!Johnny does. If it was another player I could see it more easily.In post 4270, Menalque wrote:
why doesn't Johnny call his most townread partner obvtown?In post 4269, Shirou wrote:I reconsidered with how Johnny insisted on DK being obvtown
Johnny which seemed to want to be low-key/under the radar?
No, I don't think so, DK didn't really need that extra defense.-
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If you're town why do you think he wasn't trying to misassociate himself with town!Math as well?In post 4274, Menalque wrote:and then at EoD he was making a lot of effort to WIFOM his slot's relationship with, specifically, my slot and math!slot-
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That's unfortunate but when I saw how this game opened today, I had little hope that today would go smoothly.In post 4275, Menalque wrote:I'm kind of wanting to elim you progressively more as a safety measure because the way you're playing today is increasing my paranoia about you being scum with any of (chennis, AL, math)
I'm not gonna bother trying to convince you otherwise, in fact I'm gonna tell you that in that safety measure, you should convince Auro to vote me here. Possibly Flopz as well.-
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I didn't feel good about you trying to do (AL, math) which in my opinion is opening the path to Auro/Flopz scum victory, but I didn't mind too much since I can afford to be wrong on you if that's the case, and I think you're just coming to a different conclusion probably.In post 4277, Menalque wrote:because I still think the two most obviously correct elims today are (AL, math) and your positioning today is strongly avoiding that
which is not to say this can't be town!you reaching a divergent conclusion. but it's not helping me feel good about you, especially given your reversal on math!slot and that you don't seem as eager to lay down your life for you mech!win plan as you claimed to be yesterday
Either way Mena, in this case you should help me make Auro see how I'm scummy. Things may get more interesting by then.-
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Convince Auro/Flopz on me and we'll see.In post 4281, Menalque wrote:I mean, I'm not wedded to the idea yet
if we did, you'd want auto->flopz the next two days, yes?-
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I'm gonna trust Lilith / Chennis here, and think they'll not vote me in most cases, therefore if you were to vote me Mena, you need to convince 4/5 of [Auro, Flopz, AL, Math, Joqi]
Unhappily, I would like to trust two more players in that, specifically Math / Joqi not voting me today, especially because in town!Math pov I could easily get away with his elimination today but I'm opposing it, but I can't really trust those two so I'm gonna just wait and see how this turns out.-
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In fact I would like to make it clear to AL and Math that if I was scum, I think honestly need to be a bit intensively silly to believe that I would be here risking my own slot to hard block your eliminations when I could easily do you two first > do Auro/Flopz later, which amounts to a total of 4 miseliminations if it's town!AL / town!Math, I'm scum, and it's town!Auro or town!Flopz.
It makes little sense, so I do would like to see you understand that there's arguably almost zero benefit to scum!Shirou to propose BoP or risk their slot in a insta-death Black Flag gamestate to protect town!Math or town!Autumn, other than for WIFOM.
WIFOM that has no benefit/gains, and in fact only put disadvantages on me, isn't my kind of thing at all. Consider that.-
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I think in fact I want to clear Menalque off if he isn't partners with one of Auro / Flopz.
He's suggesting doing Math / AL, which means his only possible partners are Chennis, Lilith, Joqi.
He just shaded Chennis/Joqi early in the day. I think I'm good assuming that this is probably town!Menalque by this point, but if he isn't, his partners with one of Auro / Flopz.
Therefore I'm indeed ready to wager the entire game on a chain, but for my plan to work better, I would like for 2/3 of [Math, Joqi, AL] to claim that they don't plan to vote me.
I would like to hear more specifically Math/AL opinions on me, since I'm trying to hardblock your relatively very easy miseliminations if you're town.-
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I'm blocking people off voting you for the next 2 days, when you're arguably relatively easy miselimination compared to other options.In post 4292, MathBlade wrote:Oh yay! 10 hours 10 pages. No I haven’t read and no you probably haven’t read in-depth either it’s probably just rapid fire and not thinking. Any quick questions before I get ready for work?
Would you be up to in response, write off voting me for the next 2 days?-
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I'm trying, of course I can't completely veto it.In post 4297, MathBlade wrote:
Doesn’t seem like you’re blocking people voting me?In post 4294, T-Bone wrote:
Lilith seemed to be up to vote you early in the day, I could have angled to vote you as well and that would already be 3/5 of the votes for an elimination
I did however insist on focusing on Auro, which seems to have highlighted the problems with Auro slot after Lilith questioned him more, and now she's voting them.
We could easily have 3 votes on you right now I think, but we don't.
If that's not good enough to you, I don't know what it would be.-
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You guys are too complicated to me.
Screw hedging on things going wrong, if they do I guess I suck but I'm not up to keep trying to convince Math / Mena / etc to converge on something. I would understand their position in any setup that isn't Black Flag.
I'm fine with a BoP on me, with the following caveat:
The chain is:
Auro > Shirou > Flopz
I'm not giving a Auro/Flopz scumteam 2 days to convince you guys to do something else when AL/Math seems so miseliminable if they're town. It was in fact my worry about doing this.
If Auro flips town today, I'm self-voting tomorrow AS LONG AS YOU VOTE AURO RIGHT NOW.
If you delay Auro wagon I'm not gonna hold this promise. You've been warned. I want instant-death or nothing. It's my birthday and I want to wrap up this game as soon as possible.-
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Whatever Math.In post 4299, MathBlade wrote:Fair enough. Just seemed like a weird reaction test or something. It didn’t jive with what I had.
Why do you think people are so willing to sheep you?
Discussion time is over, now it's Mafia Texas time where I bet all my chips on my reads.
I would rather lose this game because scum pulled off something unexpected than to keep like this.
My entire chain for anyone with an interest is:
Auro > Shirou > Flopz > MathBlade
Mena/AL/Chennis probably still have at maximum one scum so I suggest Math if things come to the worst. I don't think they will though.-
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I was planning to do something much more elaborated if Math had agreed to write me off in the next 2 days, which would force an interesting dynamic in the game, but I'm not going to sit here and keep making redundant arguments.
If scum isn't in Auro/Flopz/Math I'm giving them what they want but I do believe that the probability of that is very low.-
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I'm not accepting a BoP of Shirou > Auro > Flopz
I'm not giving a hypothetical Auro/Flopz scumteam 2 entire days to change such an indecisive/divided playerlist mind.
It's
Auro > Shirou > Flopz
or nothing. Also it needs to be fast, if I need to wait days or until deadline there's no point to doing this.-
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I already have given up on you Math if you're town. You're too stubborn.In post 4304, MathBlade wrote:
Oh no. If I had agreed I woulda been scum.In post 4302, Shirou wrote:I was planning to do something much more elaborated if Math had agreed to write me off in the next 2 days, which would force an interesting dynamic in the game, but I'm not going to sit here and keep making redundant arguments.
If scum isn't in Auro/Flopz/Math I'm giving them what they want but I do believe that the probability of that is very low.
What scum wouldn’t have wanted a loud town not voting them for two days?
I'm mostly looking to convince Mena/AL here now.
AL suspects me so I do think that AL should like this proposition.-
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Auro:In post 4306, chennisden wrote:Yup Auro's insistence that there's no plan after Auro Flopz just makes me think he's scum
1) Didn't consider that the most flawed part of the plan isn't the fact AL may not be scum from his pov, but that Lilith is scum therefore the plan is flawed at its base
2) Auro was suspecting Flopz and did a 180 coming to today
3) Auro thinks both me/Lilith are suspects, but never mentioned how obvious it should be from town!Auro PoV that I'm trying to insert Lilith into the townblock to endgame with my plan
Auro progression here makes 0 sense from a town pov so far in my view.-
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Menalque I don't think I've ever come forward first as scum proposing a BoP, at most in Baton Pass I said "yeah lim me if this flips town as well" after a town player did hard lock me into their own BP of "If Shiro flips town I'm self-voting tomorrow".
Even in the above case, I tried to deflect until said player said "look, Shirou is getting afraid" and I was forced to say something in response. I intentionally proceeded to sound emotionally chaotic so that people would see the argument as stupid in that game and write it off as TvT most likely.
I'm serious here but I cannot allow myself to self-vote today when half or more than half of the playerlist seems wo wishy-washy towards Auro/Flopz.
It needs to be Auro > Shirou > Flopz.-
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Shirou > Auro > Flopz isn't effective. People may simply get misguided by Auro.In post 4311, chennisden wrote:i have no interest in killing you shirou
you read the game, for crying out loud, and you KNOW that these kind of propositions aren't going to be effective
Auro > Shirou > Flopz most of the time simply wins the game before we even get there. If we do, I plan to follow my promise either way to give more weight later in the day for you to push Flopz, and Joqi/Math already suspects Flopz, that's 3.
Mena does seem to me like the kind of person to hold in his promise, 4 votes on Flopz if Auro flips town.
This kind of thing doesn't work in most games, but it doesn't mean it won't work here in this case.
All I want, and need, is Auro wagon today, and fast because if it's scum!Auro like I think it is, I hate the thought of wasting my time like I'm doing here at the moment.-
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I agree with a)In post 4313, chennisden wrote:shirou i think the chances of you being scum are extraordinarily low and i also think the chances of auro scum are high, but i also think these kinds of propositions are a) anti-town and b) only going to discourage people from voting the wagon
Disagree with b)
You + ME + Lilith are already 3
Mena liked the BoP thingy.
If Mena joins it's 4.
We need five.
One more and it's elimination.
This entire proposition is a bargain for no one other than Menalque in particular, which forces the tier break of four votes, making the fifth one much easier.-
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There's no difference between saying that above proposition to the entire game, and saying that proposition to Menalque / Autumn, because those are the people I want to convince to join Auro, and they both seem to suspect me.
The unique way we lose with Auro > Shirou > Flopz > Math is if Mena / AL are scum together, or Chennis / AL, or Lilith/Joqi scum, which just seems unlikely to me.
I'm not a very patient person once I've made up my mind. I'm extremely indecisive until I've made up my mind, when I've made up my mind I don't care about anything else anymore.-
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See @Chennis?In post 4318, Autumn Leaves wrote:
I don't think this is clearing for you at all, in fact I think you're just saving our elims for later. Instead of re-evaluating the bloc, people like joqi will want to elim me/math already.In post 4289, Shirou wrote:I would like to hear more specifically Math/AL opinions on me, since I'm trying to hardblock your relatively very easy miseliminations if you're town.
I was very sure the team was mena/shirou and I was writing up a case, this day phase has made that less likely though, so I'll have to think about things.
Auro wagon probably doesn't happen today unless I make the BoP of "I self-vote tomorrow if Auro flips town, and if I break this promise treat me as confirmed scum".
However
I need this to be. I want to wrap up this game in my birthday. If you guys wait too long and I just lose interest in this game, I'll retract the proposition and it's your loss.fast-
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Autumn look, I'm scum like you think.
Now I've just made the sweet promise of self-voting tomorrow if Auro flips town today as long as you vote him right now.
If I break this promise while the offer is up (it needs to be fast), treat me as confirmed scum.
If I'm scum this virtually loses me the game.
Can you just vote Auro?-
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Look, Autumn/Mena/Joqi seems to have boners for each other, and Math is stubborn in every game.
None of them are particularly looking at Auro right now, and although Joqi/Math are considering Flopz, I think there's more chance of town!Flopz than town!Auro, and it just gives ammunition for scum!Auro to deflect if by any chance we miselim Flopz.
I may be wrong and the team is elsewhere, but from my point of view, most town players are making the move to open a possibly scum victory when this game should be simpler to win if our premises on late D1 are right, and everyone seemed to agree on those back then.-
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Self-vote.In post 4323, Auro wrote:
2) Oh yes re-evaluation is scummyIn post 4310, Shirou wrote:2) Auro was suspecting Flopz and did a 180 coming to today
3) Auro thinks both me/Lilith are suspects, but never mentioned how obvious it should be from town!Auro PoV that I'm trying to insert Lilith into the townblock to endgame with my plan
3) is just daft
I'm OK with Auro->Shirou->Lilith-
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If by any chance I'm wrong on Auro/Flopz, I think there's one scum in Math/AL.
Everyone is already looking towards Math/AL. I don't have anything to do towards that.
I think that if it's town!Auro / town!Shirou and we're just misreading each other, although it's not the precisely most optimal route, it's sure the easiest/quickest, that saves up a lot of time and clear up misunderstandings like "is Shirou scum??", "What did AL mean by scum bussed??", etc.
I recommend self-vote Auro, regardless of alignment.-
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As expected.In post 4326, Auro wrote:No, out of principle. You go ahead and do the work
My initial plan was to make you vote me, convince 2/3 of Math/AL/Joqi to write me off, and force you to self-vote from a town pov because the unique way scum!me would get limmed if 2/3 of [Math/AL/Joqi] wrote me off, was if I self-voted. Lilith is also near unkillable in this game therefore at that point, for town!Auro the best play would be to follow my proposition on BoP and make me self-vote to defeat tomorrow.
I did expect however, that you would simple say this, but It would sound more incriminating if the above did happen...-
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This is just like the last Jingle's Large we both played.In post 4328, Auro wrote:Seems like you're getting pretty agitated, Shirou
We had a wagon on scum, we needed only a few votes, but people were like "but since we've no deadlines we need to discuss until the end of times" when that just gives scum more time to deflect.
It makes me sigh from the depth of my soul.-
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Of course it would be better in long-term to let the game play out, maybe even go for AL/Math today as most people seem to want, and just later finish with you/Flopz if it didn't win the game.In post 4331, Auro wrote:Your'e only thinking of the short term.
It's much more safeproof than this. Am I the kind of person that makes such a boring decision though? No.
I'm not sitting here for 2 ~ 6 more weeks for a game that I feel there's little chance I'm wrong. Time is my most valued asset. The unique thing that you can't really buy, trade or create in this world is time.
I'm fine giving myself a mechanically weaker position if it means it does save me weeks.
If you mean "short-term" as in "you're only thinking of the consequences to this game", I don't care about that.
I don't care about winning as scum anymore and if people would take those propositions more seriously when I'm town, that would be a win in my book.
It's not common for me to make those propositions I think though.-
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I do believe you're scum so arguing with you is pointless, but if you're talking that I should hedge on the fact maybe you're town and prepare myself accordingly, I disagree.In post 4332, Auro wrote:
No, the best play is to convince people to kill the unkillable at some point post my flip.In post 4329, Shirou wrote:town!Auro the best play would be to follow my proposition on BoP
It's the most optimal plan if you don't value potential wasted time.
I do value time the most.
This is a very bad plan according to my ideals.-
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Unhappily.In post 4339, chennisden wrote:but i still think there's no way we finish the game today (irl time).-
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Ok I misinterpreted.In post 4341, Auro wrote:
Why should I stop playing the game because it's against your ideals? There are many other players in the game.In post 4340, Shirou wrote:I do believe you're scum so arguing with you is pointless, but if you're talking that I should hedge on the fact maybe you're town and prepare myself accordingly, I disagree.
It's the most optimal plan if you don't value potential wasted time.
I do value time the most.
This is a very bad plan according to my ideals.
I thought you said that I should be the one to convince you to say you don't want Lilith/Me in your flip.
This one is on me.-
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I appreciate it.In post 4335, Autumn Leaves wrote:Shirou, I'll think about it, and if I decide it's a good idea, I'll vote auro by the end of the today.-
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For what it's worth:
@everyone
If I'm scum here the play is making this proposition, making people not follow on it, saying that I'm giving up on the game later after people reject it, and making myself look townier by acting dejected that you didn't follow my proposition even though I offered my own slot.
However, as town I can act the same way, and the unique way to best verify my alignment here is following my proposition.-
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No, at the moment it's:In post 4346, chennisden wrote:auro's at less than e-1 right
Auro (2) - Shirou, Lilith
5 votes to eliminate.
The plan is to convince Autumn / Mena with the BoP since they suspect me, and with you we've 5 votes.-
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Math / Joqi can hardly be swayed with my proposition I believe
so it comes down to Autumn / Mena.
It's a good sign that Autumn is considering it now. Mena will naturally consider it but LLD/him may for some reason get insistent on "Shirou first", and I'm not budging in Auro being first, so in the end it would be an unhappy conclusion.
By the way LLD/Mena insisting on Shirou first is exactly what scum!me would like to see, because it makes gives me the credit for offering a public BoP, at the same time I've leeway to not really do it.-
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^ this is another reasonIn post 4350, chennisden wrote:
i would mostly be looking in {shirou lilith al}, i guessIn post 4345, Auro wrote:Chennis, would you consider scum!Lilith strongly if I and Flopz get limmed in succession?
I do think I'm fairly town in the public eye, but fairly town for D2.
I do believe that I would still get in the elimination pool in the following days, so at the very least, it's not a big loss if I get limmed here, town is still fairly on good standing even if
Auro > Shirou > Flopz
somehow still ends in town flips.
AL/Math would be strong candidates to have at least one scum in that scenario either way, and everyone is already looking into them. At best I would say that even in the worst case scenario, town here has 50% chance of victory.
This is the worst of the worst scenario of course.-
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You can't convince me that it's a good idea for any scum, 4 miselims away from victory, to suggest a BoP unless they don't plan to actually flip the person that day, as I described what scum!me would do in this scenario.
If this was a normal game sure, but it's Black Flag and we only need one other scum elim. This isn't the place for scum to offer BoP. I don't get your suspicious on me Auro.-
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Auro:
You town read Flopz, AL, and is saying you don't think I'm scum, unless you're playing semantics and think I'm "null", when I don't see how you can see a slot that has done so much in a null way.
Who exactly is Lilith partner anyway?
Joqi? Mena? Math?
You seem to only have one suspect in the entire 8 other slots you should be considering. You don't even have a team with Lilith on it and you aren't putting me for some reason even though I'm the one that proposed taking Lilith to endgame.
You're gonna hide with your "I don't need to have a partner or consider others when I know Lilith is scum [smile emoji]", but it's the most lackluster answer possible.-
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I'm offering myself and you think this can have negative connotation.In post 4370, joqiza wrote:* the third one is my paranoid tinfoil and is why I'm not willing to entertain your proposal to rush things.
I expected this from your slot, so I'm not surprised, but I can't help but shake my head.-
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I would never have made this proposition if not for AL / Mena slots
I'm not sure I said so in the thread, I probably did, but they were the ones I expected to convince.
I knew this would be the exact reaction from Math / Joqi.
If any of AL / Mena disagrees with my plan, I'll simply back down on "Auro townflip = Me self-voting tomorrow". Bear this in mind. I'm not gonna keep trying to convince people on a BoP.-
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It's precisely because you only need one scum to win that you entertain multiple solves hereIn post 4375, MathBlade wrote:That’s how I normally hide as scum.
No way math could be scum, who is his partner?
Requiring a solve when we only need one to win is silly.
if you think X/Y team is possible, and so is Z/Y, you go for player Y here for higher odds of victory.
entertaining multiple teams and what are the keystone slots is the correct play in this gamestate rather than just sticking your guns to an one-sided read.-
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He already decided Lilith is scumIn post 4394, lilith2013 wrote:that should about sum it up. I feel like I’m just repeating myself at this point but auro doesn’t seem to want to listen because he’s already dEcIdEd LiLiTh Is ScUm
He already decided Flopz is town
He already decided he can't neither town read me or scum read me because it messes with his position
He's not going to make any progress on his reads, I'm very confident on this statement.
If he does now that I'm saying, it's not gonna be something relevant.-
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My answer basically, I would make one or two edits but it's good enough to quote:In post 4403, joqiza wrote:And if you're correct that Auro is scum that's great, but it's a conclusion I would like to come to independently, once I'm not having to just pop in and read comments at work. Making passive aggressive comments towards me is not going to facilitate that process.
In post 1434, lilith2013 wrote:I appreciate the reply. I'm not like, upset at you because I don't really think it's your fault and obviously you should play in a way that makes you enjoy the game, I'm more just like, complaining about the general masses *gesticulates wildly* you know? cause I'm petty and shit