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[cw357]

lets play the internet amogus game teeheehe !11!!

VOTE: Pavowski the red impostr do be sus

[cw357]

i think shitposting is still just a mask, and can be alignment indicative either way. I dont think there's enough to discern a correct answer with Pavowski at all. I lean town, but wouldnt die on that hill.

ok actually the ones who are all on people for not doing tasks are able to tell because they're not doing tasks themselves
I find this mega-sussy

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Flavor Leaf
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[cw357]

Though, thinking about it, I wouldn't

mind

pocketing Flavor, but that would probably require more effort than I am willing to put in for Day 1.

could be joke
i do see jokes here
but are jokes allowed?? :/

This checks out. Dragon town.

too jumpy, but not sussy-jumpy
more incompetent jumpy
imaginge you say someone venting adn you said

OHH MY GOODNESS BIG DADDY I SEE THE IMPROSOTR
but it was just an engineer
well that makes me think he do be just a jumpy conslusioner idk idk idk

*pokes thread with a stick*

What, do you people have jobs or something?

Somebody vote Kyouko for that smell thing, that was weird, wasn't it?

That way I can defend her and be all "nah that's totally normal, actually"

I'm finding myself not liking this post. Its giving me a weird gut ping that it feels fake but I dont know how to explain it fully.

You mentioned earlier that we were early on in the day, but here you are acting like there is a sense of urgency that feels like a subtle contradiction.

Why are you trying to get other people to vote Kyouko for something that you find weird? Why not lead the charge yourself if you want to get the game moving?

thomith is gutreading rvs posts LMFAO LMFAO LMFAO

wow u r a sus
maybe thomith/kyouko scumteam
I CALLED IT

IF THE IMPOSTORS WIN YOU WILL SEE THEM SHOW UP AND YOUW ILL SE THEM
I CALLED IT
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Thomith
I AM SMARTER THAN ALL OF YOU (in my humble opinion)

[cw357]

i think shitposting is still just a mask, and can be alignment indicative either way. I dont think there's enough to discern a correct answer with Pavowski at all. I lean town, but wouldnt die on that hill.

ok actually the ones who are all on people for not doing tasks are able to tell because they're not doing tasks themselves
I find this mega-sussy

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Flavor Leaf
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Also these 2 sentiments don't add up.

I'm not on anyone, nor do I plan to be.

VOTE: Flavor

But let's get a Flavor wagon going.

STFU BANDWAGONER
YOU ARE THIRD IMPOSTOR

[cw357]

Spicy take, CW, lapalacian, HPE, and Pavowski are all town.

cw suss for moving off of me so fast

you say oppoosite things
this means 0 iq

i think you should request replacement tbh

[cw357]

Spicy take, CW, lapalacian, HPE, and Pavowski are all town.

cw suss for moving off of me so fast

you say oppoosite things
this means 0 iq

i think you should request replacement tbh

people who say opposite things win games, learn it.

please request replacement your presence isn't helping anyone

when the impostor says that the guy is sussy baka because of the tasks not being done (like in electircal in a sussy way!) then that is when i get sus of the sus impostor, w hich is what flavor leaf is doing

NO U
NO U
NO U

[cw357]

see under my name how it says townie
AHA PROOF

now stfu if ur a dumbass and can't read it doesnt help anyone u r trying to get us to eject a crewmate!

HE IS TRYING TO GET US TO EJECT A CREWMATE!!!!!!! D: D: D:

[cw357]

if you think flattery is gonna let you pocket me, well i gotta tell ya, you're probably right.

DragonEater's already doing a decent job making his pocket comfy.

I can't pocket anybody, my pockets are full of stuff.

see under my name how it says townie
AHA PROOF

now stfu if ur a dumbass and can't read it doesnt help anyone u r trying to get us to eject a crewmate!

HE IS TRYING TO GET US TO EJECT A CREWMATE!!!!!!! D: D: D:

Is this just ... how you are?

I have a moderate mental disability that impairs my logical reasoning skills
comes in handy on amogus

my doctor has given me un-stupid pills but i accidentalyy took the stupid pills and became stupid thus i now have an irreversable mental condition (i wont say the word, it's a no-no word)

[cw357]

Who am I trying to 'eject'?

I feel I've only called people town this game.

the crewmate U ImPOSTroR

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Flavor Leaf

[cw357]

lets all roleclaim

I AM A VANILLA TOWNIE

[cw357]

Ooh boy, I'm gonna need another edible for this

dont be a naughty boy you sussy baka

[cw357]

Alright, I got a town core in Pavowski and DragonEater. Anyone's welcome at the table thus far to see what we're cooking, promise you some good flavor.

I'mma reverse pocket.

WHY AM I NOT IN TOWNCORE
I HATE YOU

[cw357]

Alright, I got a town core in Pavowski and DragonEater. Anyone's welcome at the table thus far to see what we're cooking, promise you some good flavor.

I'mma reverse pocket.

I promise the fumes are, uh, non-toxic

Boy I hope Flavor is town, I still, like, wanna wagon you tho

HAVE I POCKETED YOU YET
I HAVE CANDY EAT IT

NOW

[cw357]

Alright, I got a town core in Pavowski and DragonEater. Anyone's welcome at the table thus far to see what we're cooking, promise you some good flavor.

I'mma reverse pocket.

WHY AM I NOT IN TOWNCORE
I HATE YOU

I don't feel like feeding you.

If you want some advice when you try to push someone, if your push is real, of course, you gotta build up momentum through dynamics with other player's first, otherwise the easy counter to your push is just me reverse engaging to make it look like circular arguments.

Only way it typically would be tilted another way is when scum try to shift their weight.

I probably don't think you're scum here? Really weird play if so, but i don't know a lot of this playerlist, so surprises are welcome.

DONT TRY AND GIVE ME ADVICE YOU PATRONIZING !@#$!@#$!@#$ (I DONT WANT TO GET BANNED)
I PUSH WHEN I PUSH , YOU DONT PLAY A ROLE IN THAT BTW BTW BTW

[cw357]

Alright, I got a town core in Pavowski and DragonEater. Anyone's welcome at the table thus far to see what we're cooking, promise you some good flavor.

I'mma reverse pocket.

WHY AM I NOT IN TOWNCORE
I HATE YOU

I don't feel like feeding you.

If you want some advice when you try to push someone, if your push is real, of course, you gotta build up momentum through dynamics with other player's first, otherwise the easy counter to your push is just me reverse engaging to make it look like circular arguments.

Only way it typically would be tilted another way is when scum try to shift their weight.

I probably don't think you're scum here? Really weird play if so, but i don't know a lot of this playerlist, so surprises are welcome.

DONT TRY AND GIVE ME ADVICE YOU PATRONIZING !@#$!@#$!@#$ (I DONT WANT TO GET BANNED)
I PUSH WHEN I PUSH , YOU DONT PLAY A ROLE IN THAT BTW BTW BTW

im livin in your head rent free, i definitely play the leading role in it

I DONT THINK ABOUT YOU AT ALL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHA

YOU'RE SO INSIGNIFICANT THAT YOU'RE LIKE AN IOTA OF MY CONCENTRATION
I TRAVEL IN WORLDS YOU CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE

UR TERRIBLE AT THIS GAME AND YOU'RE TRYING TO TELL ME HOW TO PLAY

[cw357]

VOTE TO EJECT THE IMPOSTOR FLAVOR NOW EVERYONE DO IT

[cw357]

my name says goon therefore i am confirmed town mwahahahahahahaahahahahahaahahaahhahahaahahahhahaahahahahaha

[cw357]

wait why doe sit not say townie
i am townie

[cw357]

MASS ROLECLAIM NOW

[cw357]

Alright, I got a town core in Pavowski and DragonEater. Anyone's welcome at the table thus far to see what we're cooking, promise you some good flavor.

I'mma reverse pocket.

WHY AM I NOT IN TOWNCORE
I HATE YOU

I don't feel like feeding you.

If you want some advice when you try to push someone, if your push is real, of course, you gotta build up momentum through dynamics with other player's first, otherwise the easy counter to your push is just me reverse engaging to make it look like circular arguments.

Only way it typically would be tilted another way is when scum try to shift their weight.

I probably don't think you're scum here? Really weird play if so, but i don't know a lot of this playerlist, so surprises are welcome.

DONT TRY AND GIVE ME ADVICE YOU PATRONIZING !@#$!@#$!@#$ (I DONT WANT TO GET BANNED)
I PUSH WHEN I PUSH , YOU DONT PLAY A ROLE IN THAT BTW BTW BTW

I am asking this honestly

Are you ok?

yes big daddy, as long as you're in my life

[cw357]

Help.

I'm on my way to gallantly save you big daddy!

[cw357]

Quick, get in the car!

[cw357]

MASS ROLELCIAM NOW

IF YOU DO NOT ROLECLIAM OOUYOU ARE IMPOSTORO

[cw357]

If this is some kind of strat, it is not my favorite

its ok ur still my fave

ROLECLAIM NOW OR ELSE YOU ARE IMPOSTOR AUTOMATICLALY1!!!!!!!!!!

[cw357]

PVAVAAVOOOSKI IS NO ROLECLAIM HMMMMMMMMMM

Sent from my iPhone

[cw357]

Can we policy elim cw? Or modkill?

dont be sus
time to roleclaim

[cw357]

I'm going to be afk for the next three hours sorry
will be back soon I LOVE TO PLAY INTERNET AMOGUS

[cw357]

@cw357 - do you have any serious reads at the moment? preferably answer this question without trolling or referencing among us.

the guy with the two words in his name is sus because he scumreads me

[cw357]

sorry ill be afk for about two hours

if you need me my closest address right now is P.O. Box 7924 123 N Sea Rd Southampton NY 11968, if you overnight me a letter please don't discuss game materials

if anything big happesn i will be afk i am very sorry will be back around 1 am eastern to gamesolve

time to get roleclaiming people

[cw357]

i am vanilla townie

[cw357]

@cw357 - do you have any serious reads at the moment? preferably answer this question without trolling or referencing among us.

the guy with the two words in his name is sus because he scumreads me

sorry ill be afk for about two hours

if you need me my closest address right now is P.O. Box 7924 123 N Sea Rd Southampton NY 11968, if you overnight me a letter please don't discuss game materials

if anything big happesn i will be afk i am very sorry will be back around 1 am eastern to gamesolve

time to get roleclaiming people

i am vanilla townie

well, i was hoping you might do something to convince me/the town that you wouldn't be a good policy execution, but so far, this isn't very persuasive. i get the impression that you're not willing to engage with the game in good faith regardless of your alignment. i don't intend to fight for a policy execution here, but as of now, i don't mind one. i'd like to have some more discussion before though if that's what we do, game's only just started.

p-edit: yes it is.

you talk like your ultimatum matters to me/anyone else ahahahahahahaahhaahahaa

[cw357]

VOTE: CW
THIS MEAT IS TERRIBLE! HEALTHY BUT TERRIBLE!
LETS GET IT OUT OF HERE SO WE CAN GET TO THE GOOD MEAT TOMORROW

people who actively try to pl are auto-impostor
VOTE: Joyboy

[cw357]

what's the HPE case? I reread ISO, and I dont necessarily feel it.

44 pinged me, can't say more than that

53 is weird to me because why does it care that thomith is "jumping the gun" in RVS? You kinda have to force scumreads in RVS if you ever wanna get out of it. I don't feel HPE's reaction is the natural town reaction.

240 presents something that is either NAI or towny (change in the way Lap looks at Pav,

after a reread, mind you

) as scummy to justify a vote, and it's also over-explainy in my opinion.

All roads always lead back to this VOTE: HPE

I'm trying to see the case for HPE but it's just not clicking for me.

44 seems entirely benign -- DE is it that you "can't" say more -- because there's nothing more to say -- or that you "won't -- because you don't want to?

I just disagree on 53 because that sentiment from HPE was also my feeling. I agree we have to get out of RVS sometime, but I did feel like Thom was trying real hard to make something out of what I felt was pretty obviously Not a Thing

Re: 240, I gave thoughts on Lap's change of heart before: how the change of heart looks depends entirely on what you think of Lap going in. Given HPE's professed scumread there, reading Lap in that light makes sense.

All of this could be fakery of course, but That One feels legit enough to me right now.

Also I seem to be the only one who thought this looked like rolefishing

tbh i dont understand how this could fish anything
like you would have to be severely challenged at mafia to get fished by this

thom making random reads to get us out of rvs is good, impstrs wnat rvs to keep going on and on so that we make some idiotic hang choice

I get the argument that HPE's post is not worded well, tonally at least, but DE I think is being opportunistic. tbh I see a Thomith/DE scumteam here

Thomith - ppl contradict each other constantly in RVS, major opportunism factor
DE - honestly i think DE is bussing his partner here, but simultaneously saving him by saying HPE/Thomith scumteam, let's hang HPE, then HPE flips town and suspicion averted from Thomith. When people make reads I think are stupid (usually scumeads on me) I tell them to stfu all the time and that's not any different from what's going on here, albeit more mildly. People vote each other for shitposting all the time in RVS an iirc that's not a valid argument in any way, shape or form.

I'm going to try and go through post history tonight to find something AI i guess.

but shitposting is more fun tbh

[cw357]

VOTE: CW
THIS MEAT IS TERRIBLE! HEALTHY BUT TERRIBLE!
LETS GET IT OUT OF HERE SO WE CAN GET TO THE GOOD MEAT TOMORROW

people who actively try to pl are auto-impostor
VOTE: Joyboy

I actually agree with this. Policy elims are terrible

DONT POCKET ME

Glad cw is back and toning down the memes. However, they pop back in within 30 minutes of Kyouko saying cw had valid thoughts. Could just be good timing, but I'm also thinking scum chat coaching. Like, "tone it down before you get policied, go contribute next time you're mentioned"

the site mods threatened to ban me
dont worry ill still have some amogus sussy fun-time
but yes i have to tone it down

Getting more sus on Dragoneater. Despite having the most posts by a good 60% margin, their posts are proportionally low-content and fell back to the sheeping post from page 1 when Pav called out his weird vote pattern in 358. Their push for HPE feels legit though and not like a preemptive bus, so I'm feeling 1 scum between DE and HPE.

Don't love this thought tbh

Not trying to bandwagon, but IMO best scum-tell in long-cycle games is spreading your interactions thin (so no interaction reads) while having few AI communications and real push attempts, at least early on. Freaking out about some RVS read pings heavy here on DE UNVOTE: I support either Joyboy or DE hang, tbh Laplacian wagon feels liek a toneread to me and I don't like it so if either of Joyboy or DE is going to win I'm on that wagon.

Like it felt like a bad faith read in an attempt to present an alt wagon rather than a real read

grasping at straws

I'm at E-2, no shit I'm in survival mode. The two leading votes are basically me vs you right now, and I know I'm town while you've been exuding scum vibes, so ofc I'm going to try to get people to vote smart instead of following ssmb's train tunnel to a mislim.

Then actually find and vote scum

I don't see how town says this
picture situation:

we want to eject the impostor
but we pick a crewmate
crewmate says "no this other guy sus"
I think lap is recognizing the reality of the situation (two wagons competing) whereas DE is using some real terrible reasoning to try and paint NAI stuff as scummy, don't like it

It’s interesting, because that’s one of the things that make me want to stay on HPE for a bit longer.

Explain so I can (finally!) sheep you?

Prior to Thomith’s last post, I felt like it was a possible out to stay on their track.

It’s early Day 1, why is HPE shutting further pressure down in that way?

In addition, they also seemed to scumread Joyboy earlier. It feels like they were trying to not spread too thin.

I’m not sure it’s a correct reason, but it’s what i felt as soon as it started.

I'll be honest I'm not fully tracking with the Joyboy thing, but the Thomith thing makes sense
VOTE: HPE

Want to reiterate that I can see a DE/HPE/Joyboy scumteam where DE busses a Thomith/HPE theoretical scumteam, then acts like HPE is clear when Thomith flips town.

I'm not getting on laplacian wagon so dont bother trying to get me to.

[cw357]

laplacian elim is idiotic and i hate it tbh
there's got to be scum on the wagon

[cw357]

do it

Nah

I hate intentionally flipping town Day 1

That's Flavor's style

If he asks me to hammer I'll hammer though

Pedit: huh okay that was quick

Yes mr Flavor

VOTE: Lap

This is not something town posts lmfao
VOTE: DragonEater70
this is a symbolic i told you so vote

[cw357]

dragon is a sussy impostor who is not doing his tasks :c

[cw357]

I saw him kill in electrical and then vent away on cams

[cw357]

Looks like that's hammer. Use my flip for good. o7

AHHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAH
I told you all
I told you
DE didn't have to hammer but he still did
I told you so ahahahahahaha

Either crewmates are not doing their tasks or impostors are killing very much all of us tbh

[cw357]

do it

Nah

I hate intentionally flipping town Day 1

That's Flavor's style

If he asks me to hammer I'll hammer though

Pedit: huh okay that was quick

Yes mr Flavor

VOTE: Lap

This is not something town posts lmfao
VOTE: DragonEater70
this is a symbolic i told you so vote

Cool

Enjoy being told so when I am nightkilled due to being townread by 9/11 living players who aren't me.

not going to happen cuz ur scum

[cw357]

I'm going to make a barrage of posts here cuz why not

First of all I would like to make something very clear:
The only reason I stopped amogus-posting and calling people "big daddy" and threatening to kidnap them, etc. was because the site mods threatened me with a ban. I'm not an idiot nor am I a newbie (on other sites) and I don't need to be told how to play by a theoretical scum partner, I would just ignore them. Thus this pretty much puts the "scumpartner told cw to cool it" theory dead in the water.

My top 4 scum picks right now are DE/HPE/Flavor/Joyboy, will elaborate

[cw357]

The laplacian push felt very artificial from DE
I've explained why I think DE is scum and can quote the posts

It appears that flavor was trying to close out the mishang upon a read of D1 without coming across as aggressive
Also him saying in #647 that "I was also kinda using CW wagon as a bait" pings hard
In my experience nobody playing this game is actually smart enough to bait anybody in actuality + if someone lolcows to "bait people" the risk of getting misinterpreted is too high

TBH I think flavor knows that I will arrive and use my super engineer skills to hide in the vents and look at cams to catch his sussy impostor action so he wants to avoid me seeing him for the sussy impostor he is

[cw357]

ahahahahahhahaha

Flavor stopped pushing me after he saw we weren't at MYLO
he's probably aware that if he pushed a second mishang he'd be on the scaffold D3

[cw357]

I have about 15 hours, 4 minutes, and 35 seconds to kill (I have a deep moral and ethical objection to sleep in any form) so I'm going to ISO my scumreads:
Joyboy (all 11 posts included)

doom-dut-da-da

NAI

hahahahahahahahaha

NAI

THIS IS MY PEEK!!!!!!!!!

NAI

He is here!!!!!

NAI

I AM MONKEY D. LUFFY AND I AM GOING TO BECOME KING OF THE PIRATES

NAI

They asked me for my claim!

NAI

Good mooooooooorning

If anybody has a reason we shouldn't VOTE: Flavor today, I'd love to hear it

I WANT THAT GUY ON MY CREW!
HARD VETO!

This is so stupid but part of me wonders if this indicates a Flavor/Joyboy scumteam where Joyboy says "what the hell let's wifom them" because outside of Kyokuo (who I generally townread atm) this is the only positive interaction he has (and it's still the most overtly positive) with any other player, that being Flavor. It's weird and I don't like it.

VOTE: CW
THIS MEAT IS TERRIBLE! HEALTHY BUT TERRIBLE!
LETS GET IT OUT OF HERE SO WE CAN GET TO THE GOOD MEAT TOMORROW

I don't like this either.
It's hard to see a world where town gets all gung ho about pling someone although during early-game I think people throw it around as a "hahahhaa I hate this guy can we pl him." So I don't

necessarily

scumread this, except for one big thing:

He's calling me "Healthy but terrible," saying we elim me so we get to the "good meat tomorrow." In Joyboy-speak, this is pretty explicitly saying he thinks I'm town but wants to get me out of the way. Only way he could be so confident I'm town (unlike people who wanted to pl me AND scumread me) is if he's scum

IF YOUR NAME IS ON THIS LIST I AM GOING TO FIGHT YOU

Purplemango
Hu Tao
Laplacian
cw357
geraintm

i dont mind this although I wonder if laplacian push was scumdriven and this is a sheep of that? not sure

It'd be weirdly straightforward but it feels like it could just be {Laplacian, DE, ???}

Dragon feels like he wants anything

but

for the focus to be on Laplacian and Laplacian feels like he knows he's toast and is trying to Distance from DE before he goes down

Would you like to join my crew?

pocketing?
or just Joyboy's way of concurring?
there's probably overlap

IF YOUR NAME IS ON THIS LIST I AM GOING TO FIGHT YOU

Purplemango
Hu Tao
Laplacian
cw357
geraintm

Bring it on

NAI
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My takeaway here is that I scumread Joyboy; depending on how things play out for the rest of the day I might not vote him though. It's a shame he has so few posts+interactions, although I'm personally uneasy at how he ties in to Flavor Leaf—it seems like their reads and his comment in his response to Pavowski align in weird ways such that I could see a world with Joyboy/Flavor/DE scumteam. As I mentioned HPE is the other scumlean I've got, I'm going to ISO the other three next partially so I can make up my own mind

[cw357]

I'm going to make a barrage of posts here cuz why not

First of all I would like to make something very clear:
The only reason I stopped amogus-posting and calling people "big daddy" and threatening to kidnap them, etc. was because the site mods threatened me with a ban. I'm not an idiot nor am I a newbie (on other sites) and I don't need to be told how to play by a theoretical scum partner, I would just ignore them. Thus this pretty much puts the "scumpartner told cw to cool it" theory dead in the water.

My top 4 scum picks right now are DE/HPE/Flavor/Joyboy, will elaborate

I checked your previous game day 1 and I figured you might be doing it for a reason, so I didn't say anything. Since you posted normally there

that was before I discovered the joy of trolling

[cw357]

Most of these posts fall on the first have of D1 but I ISO'd DE/Flavor and I'm fairly convinced there's at least one (if not two) scum in there. I don't have an elim preference at the moment but that will develop as time goes on i guess, in the meantime VOTE: DragonEater70 also might have included some hpe posts because I have a slight scumlean there that might develop

Hi!

I'm going to sheep Flavor Leaf Day 1 because I am lazy

sussy impostor interactions

there's other reasons for Dragoneater to state the sheeping comment other than what comes across at face value. They could be reaction testing me. They could be trying to setup an early pocket (I think this is rather bold if so because it would always illicit some people attacking the idea).

flavor defends de, uses detached tone uncharacteristic of other posts hmmmmm

Though, thinking about it, I wouldn't

mind

pocketing Flavor, but that would probably require more effort than I am willing to put in for Day 1.

...
I get it's rvs but when I'm scum I often start getting too buddy-buddy with my scumpartner in thread, maybe I'm projecting here

Alright, I got a town core in Pavowski and DragonEater. Anyone's welcome at the table thus far to see what we're cooking, promise you some good flavor.

I'mma reverse pocket.

further interactions
I suggest ISOing their interactions yourself so you can see how complete this is—they pretty much just talk to each other for much of the game.

Spicy take, CW, lapalacian, HPE, and Pavowski are all town.

aww thanks
uhh but flavor hammered on laplacian, also leaving out de is weird—when I'm scum I get wishy-washy about townreading my partners, when I'm town I lock in on reads. Again, not trying to project, but I think that's what most people do and this falls on the scum side of that trend.

i think shitposting is still just a mask, and can be alignment indicative either way. I dont think there's enough to discern a correct answer with Pavowski at all. I lean town, but wouldnt die on that hill.

ok actually the ones who are all on people for not doing tasks are able to tell because they're not doing tasks themselves
I find this mega-sussy

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Flavor Leaf
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Also these 2 sentiments don't add up.

I'm not on anyone, nor do I plan to be.

VOTE: Flavor

But let's get a Flavor wagon going.

Something I noticed is that Flavor and DE never seriously push anyone, it's always light pushes so they stay out of the spotlight, yet they both make sure Laplacian wagon gets advanced.

Alright, I got a town core in Pavowski and DragonEater. Anyone's welcome at the table thus far to see what we're cooking, promise you some good flavor.

I'mma reverse pocket.

WHY AM I NOT IN TOWNCORE
I HATE YOU

I don't feel like feeding you.

If you want some advice when you try to push someone, if your push is real, of course, you gotta build up momentum through dynamics with other player's first, otherwise the easy counter to your push is just me reverse engaging to make it look like circular arguments.

Only way it typically would be tilted another way is when scum try to shift their weight.

I probably don't think you're scum here? Really weird play if so, but i don't know a lot of this playerlist, so surprises are welcome.

For someone posting so much, flavor endlessly fluffs without giving reads. He's probably worried that people will judge him on his reads d2.

kinda up for the policy if it continues. they already claimed vanilla, and yall know i love fading vanillas day 1.

lol he's getting opportunistic, town by definition can't get opportunistic

this game is a nightmare.

when someone pops in to say stuff like this without giving reads it feels like they're trying to score charisma points to get into townlean at least. My heaviest scumread is on DE/Flavor (kind of Joyboy) but I also am willing to consider HPE for this reason

A. WTF did I just read

B. Some nice alignment indicative commentary:

*pokes thread with a stick*

What, do you people have jobs or something?

Somebody vote Kyouko for that smell thing, that was weird, wasn't it?

That way I can defend her and be all "nah that's totally normal, actually"

I'm finding myself not liking this post. Its giving me a weird gut ping that it feels fake but I dont know how to explain it fully.

You mentioned earlier that we were early on in the day, but here you are acting like there is a sense of urgency that feels like a subtle contradiction.

Why are you trying to get other people to vote Kyouko for something that you find weird? Why not lead the charge yourself if you want to get the game moving?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Pavowski

Thomith don't you think maybe you're jumping the gun a bit? Pavowski's post seems a little, teensy tiny bit, blatantly, shitposty.

Second post by HPE that pinged me as scummy

VOTE: HPE

i think shitposting is still just a mask, and can be alignment indicative either way. I dont think there's enough to discern a correct answer with Pavowski at all. I lean town, but wouldnt die on that hill.

ok actually the ones who are all on people for not doing tasks are able to tell because they're not doing tasks themselves
I find this mega-sussy

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Flavor Leaf
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Also these 2 sentiments don't add up.

I'm not on anyone, nor do I plan to be.

VOTE: Flavor

But let's get a Flavor wagon going.

I'm torn between sheeping you and voting scum.

I guess I'll sheep any vote that isn't a self vote.

Though, thinking about it, I wouldn't

mind

pocketing Flavor, but that would probably require more effort than I am willing to put in for Day 1.

could be joke
i do see jokes here
but are jokes allowed?? :/

This checks out. Dragon town.

too jumpy, but not sussy-jumpy
more incompetent jumpy
imaginge you say someone venting adn you said

OHH MY GOODNESS BIG DADDY I SEE THE IMPROSOTR
but it was just an engineer
well that makes me think he do be just a jumpy conslusioner idk idk idk
*snipped rest of post*

cw is probably town

Spicy take, CW, lapalacian, HPE, and Pavowski are all town.

Why's HPE town?

Agree about the others probably

if you think flattery is gonna let you pocket me, well i gotta tell ya, you're probably right.

DragonEater's already doing a decent job making his pocket comfy.

Alright, I got a town core in Pavowski and DragonEater. Anyone's welcome at the table thus far to see what we're cooking, promise you some good flavor.

I'mma reverse pocket.

Yeah I could work with that

Can we policy elim cw? Or modkill?

modkills are generally reserved for breaches of game integrity.
idk what cw is doing but i skimmed his iso and i get the vibe he's just town playing weirdly so i would hope we don't have to policy him.
need to read rest of game though.

I think the point of a policy elim is that you do it without regard to the person's alignment, becayse they are harming thread health etc etc

kinda up for the policy if it continues. they already claimed vanilla, and yall know i love fading vanillas day 1.

Yep

Laplacian is scum you nerds you can policy the shitposter tomorrow

Reason?

going to read everything this one missed in a sec here but saw a bunch of votes moving around Pavowski so time to UNVOTE: Pavowski before something stupid happens

Another scum post

*snipped cw quotes*
well, i was hoping you might do something to convince me/the town that you wouldn't be a good policy execution, but so far, this isn't very persuasive. i get the impression that you're not willing to engage with the game in good faith regardless of your alignment. i don't intend to fight for a policy execution here, but as of now, i don't mind one. i'd like to have some more discussion before though if that's what we do, game's only just started.

p-edit: yes it is.

Kinda think this is sliiiightly scummy for the "I am not going to push a policy lim but I don't oppose one", since it could come from scum not wanting to initiate an anti-town play while still wanting to support it, BUT I do think town could also say this, so right now it's a very small scumlean.

So is this game dead already? That sucks.

Btw I am an Alien Novice Death-Millerizer 2-Shot Vigilante.

Sus post. How is it dead? It's been less than a day?

Sus post. How is it sus? It's just an RVS post?

Seriously though, I think Hu Taown is in town.

very weak attack against HPE that he gives up to push laplacian
I feel like this is meant to be interactions misdirection when we look back at D1 because he doesn't want to be go-go-go all day on a mishang

RVS wit no RV what da hell

VOTE: Pavowski

Obviously this one

weak attack continued

I won't steal it

However, I'll use this pagebottom to say I'm fine with a Pav/Flavor/Dragon town core for now

And I'm also going to revote HPE

VOTE: HPE

snoreeee mimimimimi. includes self in the towncore too...

You do realize Flavor suggested that towncore, right? I just said I'm okay with it because I started to see Pav as town.

more de flavor interactions
weird banter between HPE and DE when their prior interactions were minimal
flavor and DE have shown no signs of giving ANY reads on the other except "yay we're towncore" and it's pretty obvious tbh that they're scum the more I read this

Anyone scumreading Lap for changing posting style is either mega tunneled or scum

Kyo is clearly mega tunneled and HPE is clearly scum, btw

I could see one of the two of them or Abnegation as scum here.

I don’t necessarily think they have to be, though.

start of laplacian push
when it's getting real DE knows he needs a miselim
more vagueness from flavor, who shows total apathy towards the wagon until he hammers
classic distancing

Pavowski
DragonEater
Laplacian
Joyboy

Hu Tao
Kyouko

Purplemango
cw357
geraintm
Thomith

HighPrincessErinys
Abnegation

no full on red scum. purples are light light town reads, but none of them have done that much, and it's all on tone for me. I barely remember much of geraint, but i think that's a good thing with geraint slightly, and i expect to be able to read em if they're scum anyways.

Means im town reading at least 1 scum right now. I dont even necessarily think HPE and Abneg are both scum, they could be, but idk. I do think there is one there, though.

flavor putting DE at the top
I think for experienced players there's a very real (and brazen) strategy of full-on towncoring each other and this is what we see here.
Feels like Abnegation's getting thrown in there to divert attention from HPE

I had already expressed doubts about both you and HPE earlier, this is just saying XOR instead of OR. It's not an alt wagon if it's just tightening down what I've already said.

You're definitely in survival mode nonetheless imo

lol obviously
someone's e-3 and this is what you say?
laziest attack imaginable

If you think it's Abnegation make a case on her, don't sit and throw shade at me/HPE hoping somebody buys it and moves off

If you think it's one of us then vote us

I gave my case earlier, several people agreed, but it's hard to get more evidence when she hasn't posted in forever. So until then:
UNVOTE:
VOTE: HPE

This one thinks this is AI, in a way.
"Well she isn't giving me anything to work with so I'll just go with option B." when you could definitely make the case that the fact she ISN'T doing anything now is weird and worth attention. It's peeving me too, that's for sure, but you don't wanna go down that avenue because you don't think it's concrete enough. You're shopping for wagons that people will agree on and push with you rather than ones you think are genuinely scum. There's also a possibility you and Abne are scumpartners, which is why you don't feel like committing to a push on her, but even discarding that you're just

lazy

scum in general.

this post is so explicitly aggressive that I almost townread it, it's proabably why I scumread HPE less than DE and Flavor

I'll quote some more posts from EoD1 and SoD2 that I think are meaningful, but point is I'm pretty convinced that DE/Flavor are scumpartners due to interactions and the way they've been pushing others—weak to nonexistent yet towncoring each other, and IMMEDIATELY

[cw357]

I also think it benefits scum to have CW here regardless because of their energy towards me.

Really it’s just a ‘come on vig, shoot CW’ kinda thing.

After realizing the number of players left, i didn’t worry as much about it.

But if CW and I are both town/town, and Joyboy is town, we are not in a good position tomorrow. Because CW I feel isn’t going to let up on Dragon/Myself.

lul ur just begging for a dayvig on me

[cw357]

I'd be down to vote any of cw/joyboy/HPE/Pav, I guess

Can you explain your townread on Flavor?

[cw357]

cw why are you making a huge case on Flavor and voting me

cuz ur scumpartners

[cw357]

But I don't really think they are scum tho

Why

I can still see worlds where CW is pushing a scum agenda, but without more flips, I don’t think that’s even Occam’s, so imo, if CW is scum, they’re playing well.

I don’t actually think they’re playing poorly as town either.

Which gives me the added WIFOM of maybe they’re playing a really good scum game?

That’s where I’m at with CW. Would I fade?

Yeah, probably.

Do i think they’re always scum here?

Nope, probably not even most likely scum.

People hear this kinda thing and act like it’s more likely to come from scum, when it’s absolutely more likely to come from town.

But like, yes, I would do it as scum as well, so i don’t mind the push for that in that regard, but know what layer you’re looking at.

Looking at the chocolate icing, but it’s a 7 layer cakes, and layer 4 and 5 is the and or if, not layer 1.

I feel like this post is trying to pocket me and I don't like it.

Also I get what you're saying with the idea that everything in mafia is wifom to some extent
When you say you want to elim me despite no definite scumread, that screams:
(a) scum trying to distance from mishang AND
(b) no stronger scumreads, and flavor's posting too much to be apathetic

I'm going to switch my vote to VOTE: Flavor Leaf because I've centered a lot of my push on his posts, but I'm going to go to EoD and if there's a stronger push associated with DE (or even someone else, I'm open-minded) I could go for that

[cw357]

flavor and DE have shown no signs of giving ANY reads on the other except "yay we're towncore" and it's pretty obvious tbh that they're scum the more I read this

fun fact: I think reading Flavor Day 1 is pointless because he does the same shit as both alignments. Day 2 and on you start seeing if he has an agenda or not (I even had that post with notes about how Flavor never gets limmed Day 1 as either alignment so might as well sheep him Day 1).

Though to be fair the lack of Analysis about my slot on Flavor's part could be legitimately construed as scummy. I'm undecided about that though because I'm pretty sure Flavor did decide to be pocketed for very little reason as town in past games though.

*lack of public analysis

LMFAO you're sticking words in his mouth to try and make his literal admission of guilt look better
we're on d2 and I can see an agenda from flavor @DE

this is probably where DE is starting to buss his partner except for the fact that my interactions scumread implies that flavor is going easy on DE only because they're scumpartners

[cw357]

flavor and DE have shown no signs of giving ANY reads on the other except "yay we're towncore" and it's pretty obvious tbh that they're scum the more I read this

fun fact: I think reading Flavor Day 1 is pointless because he does the same shit as both alignments. Day 2 and on you start seeing if he has an agenda or not (I even had that post with notes about how Flavor never gets limmed Day 1 as either alignment so might as well sheep him Day 1).

Though to be fair the lack of Analysis about my slot on Flavor's part could be legitimately construed as scummy. I'm undecided about that though because I'm pretty sure Flavor did decide to be pocketed for very little reason as town in past games though.

*lack of public analysis

LMFAO you're sticking words in his mouth to try and make his literal admission of guilt look better
we're on d2 and I can see an agenda from flavor @DE

this is probably where DE is starting to buss his partner except for the fact that my interactions scumread implies that flavor is going easy on DE only because they're scumpartners

[cw357]

flavor and DE have shown no signs of giving ANY reads on the other except "yay we're towncore" and it's pretty obvious tbh that they're scum the more I read this

fun fact: I think reading Flavor Day 1 is pointless because he does the same shit as both alignments. Day 2 and on you start seeing if he has an agenda or not (I even had that post with notes about how Flavor never gets limmed Day 1 as either alignment so might as well sheep him Day 1).

Though to be fair the lack of Analysis about my slot on Flavor's part could be legitimately construed as scummy. I'm undecided about that though because I'm pretty sure Flavor did decide to be pocketed for very little reason as town in past games though.

*lack of public analysis

Can you explain the read on me in the mason PT?

is this a flavor/de mason claim?
looks like it to me

You know what, maybe I’ll make this easier for yall

I’m a Night 1 Vig. I killed Abnegation.

I’ve been playing this day phase trying to act like it wasn’t me, so I could pull this out later, but I’m ready to play as IC.

now we have a flavor vig claim?
lol you probably killed abnegation as scum and are covering your tracks
I'm going through post history and better see a

good

reason for that kill

[cw357]

when someone pops in to say stuff like this without giving reads it feels like they're trying to score charisma points to get into townlean at least. My heaviest scumread is on DE/Flavor (kind of Joyboy) but I also am willing to consider HPE for this reason

you are quite literally half the reason this one said that lmao

u think i care


that's how much i care
im the boss here

[cw357]

You know what, maybe I’ll make this easier for yall

I’m a Night 1 Vig. I killed Abnegation.

I’ve been playing this day phase trying to act like it wasn’t me, so I could pull this out later, but I’m ready to play as IC.

Is this a serious claim?

DE probably pissed his pants over this
game over

[cw357]

This one is really glad cw finally got his head into the game because it means this one can push him for realsies. 691 is just COMICALLY bad.

stop spamming

VOTE: geraintm
I WANT MEAT!!!!!!

stop spamming

HPE is panicking in a way that's making me return to my original Flavor/DE/HPE scumteam prediction
My joyboy scumread was originally predicated on his pl suggestion but literally everyone suggested pl-ing me so its kind of moot

also to get one thing completely clear again cuz HPE doesn't seem to read post history:
THE REASON I STOPPED TROLLING IS BECAUSE THE MODS THREATENED TO SITE-BAN ME; I LOVE TROLLING BUT I LOVE NOT BEING BANNED MORE

[cw357]

Fun fact:

When Flavor said I should vig cw, I wanted to respond with "I agree, you should vig cw tonight while I stay home like a good townie", but I didn't because I thought that moght make people think I'm actually the vig

Anyhow, VOTE: Flavor

He's not a N1 vig.

DragonEater is throwing his partner under the bus right here
I still scumread you fyi

[cw357]

on the bright side this confirms at least one (if not both) scum in flavor/de since if de is lying and flavor flips town then de is scum

but I feel optimistic both will be scum

[cw357]

I'm going to be quiet on christmas eve and christmas for obvious reasons
Will we have extended deadline

@mod

?

[cw357]

also to get one thing completely clear again cuz HPE doesn't seem to read post history:
THE REASON I STOPPED TROLLING IS BECAUSE THE MODS THREATENED TO SITE-BAN ME; I LOVE TROLLING BUT I LOVE NOT BEING BANNED MORE

this one is aware and it makes me dislike you more because you still want to make references to candy vans and slurs but aren't allowed to lol. going to try and work on a breakdown of 691 if this one has the time and motivation

I'm not breaking down my own posts. That's your job!

[cw357]

This one is really glad cw finally got his head into the game because it means this one can push him for realsies. 691 is just COMICALLY bad.

stop spamming

VOTE: geraintm
I WANT MEAT!!!!!!

stop spamming

HPE is panicking in a way that's making me return to my original Flavor/DE/HPE scumteam prediction
My joyboy scumread was originally predicated on his pl suggestion but literally everyone suggested pl-ing me so its kind of moot

also to get one thing completely clear again cuz HPE doesn't seem to read post history:
THE REASON I STOPPED TROLLING IS BECAUSE THE MODS THREATENED TO SITE-BAN ME; I LOVE TROLLING BUT I LOVE NOT BEING BANNED MORE

HOW WOULD U LIKE IT IF I JUST TOLD YOU TO STOP POSTING AND SHUT UP
EXACTLY
I AM MONKEY D LUFFY AND I AM GOING TO BECOME KING OF THE PIRATES!

tbh I think scum is more fun than town and when I rand scum I never like it to go to waste
this doesn't ping scum to me

[cw357]

Fun fact:

When Flavor said I should vig cw, I wanted to respond with "I agree, you should vig cw tonight while I stay home like a good townie", but I didn't because I thought that moght make people think I'm actually the vig

Anyhow, VOTE: Flavor

He's not a N1 vig.

ok now this is an interesting twist

Is it? This is a Simple game. N1 modifier doesn't exiat in Simples.

lololololololol

[cw357]

I'm doing an EOD iso and then going to sleep

If you address me after that point I will not respond

[cw357]

Fun fact:

When Flavor said I should vig cw, I wanted to respond with "I agree, you should vig cw tonight while I stay home like a good townie", but I didn't because I thought that moght make people think I'm actually the vig

Anyhow, VOTE: Flavor

He's not a N1 vig.

ok now this is an interesting twist

Is it? This is a Simple game. N1 modifier doesn't exiat in Simples.

No just you turning against FL in general.

you look just as bad atm

[cw357]

Night 1’s not my modifier, just wanted to WIFOM scum to have them wonder if I have another shot or not.

You looking scared, DragonEater.

I was 100% making it look like it was you. You been trying to pocket me all game.

scum's turning on each other
it's fun to watch

[cw357]

do it

Nah

I hate intentionally flipping town Day 1

That's Flavor's style

If he asks me to hammer I'll hammer though

Pedit: huh okay that was quick

Yes mr Flavor

VOTE: Lap

getting too close with flavor
trying to push laplacian without having to actually be responsible for town flip

Did somebody say E-1?

VOTE: Lap

needs no explanation

Kyouko just do me one favor

If Lap flips town don't start scumcasing me for TMI

This is stupid ridiculous

i dont think town says this tbh
everyone knows mishangs happen and if you vote someone in good faith you're expecting a scum flip (at least as much as you can)
to literally ten posts later start showing paranoia seems scummy

dragon is a sussy impostor who is not doing his tasks :c

I saw him kill in electrical and then vent away on cams

me being a pro

Imagine a vigilante in this game shooting anybody but CW

immediate push from flavor for me (start of day 2) out of the blue, I guarantee you flavor and DE got together in scumchat and DE said "cw's onto us for how we interacted and pushed mishang"

Can we policy elim cw? Or modkill?

dont be sus
time to roleclaim

i hardclaim 1-shot dayvig.

dayvig: cw537

we were so close to perfection

Could be a sign CW is scum and threat killed Abnegation.

pushing me for killing his own supposed scumread (if vig claim is legit)

VOTE: CW

votes me

Thought you were townreading CW?

Was.

We have 3 flips now.

2 of them I town read, but my bigger scum read in Abneg flipped town, so game flips a bit.

idk what to think of this

I’m half advocating to get rid of CW because even if they are town, I do not trust them in this game come late game.

And we have already seen Vig isn’t going to shoot there.

flavor thinks getting rid of me is advantageous even if town

3 scum players, 6 town left. I think this is simple, so no outliers allowed, so no hidden traitors.

Fun stuff.

If we fade town today, and vig hits town, and scum kill goes through, that’s game over

flavor also thinks we're in possible mylo
so he's alright eliming someone who he thinks is quite possibly town while he thinks we're in mylo
this seems like an attempt to close it all out rapidly

3 scum players, 6 town left. I think this is simple, so no outliers allowed, so no hidden traitors.

Fun stuff.

7 town, there's 10 alive.

Damn okay, we good then

he realizes we're not in mylo

I also was kinda using CW wagon as a bait.

Dunno what I got from it. Hu Tao’s response I liked more than the other 2, albeit, I get what they were saying too.

"it was a bait" lol
as soon as he realizes there'll be a d3 no matter what and then he'd catch heat for a mishang, he backs off with the most pathetic excuse imaginable

I think there's a strong case against all of DE/HPE/Flavor but flavor's is so glaringly obvious + this whole claiming situation

[cw357]

All three of the other people in this thread are scum. They are all making a coordinated campaign against me. If for some reason I am elimed please refer to this page to see what happened.

[cw357]

Flavor/HPE/DE have no opinions, all they care about is getting rid of town as non-suspiciously as possible and coordinating their votes to do so

[cw357]

Flavor/HPE/DE have no opinions, all they care about is getting rid of town as non-suspiciously as possible and coordinating their votes to do so

guys when the other players are all present and agree on a wagon:

idk about that lol:

VOTE: Joyboy

[cw357]

cw since Flavor and I are masons could you please tell me what's your next suspicion?

That. You. Are. Scumpartners.
"oh these two players have chat at night"
occam's razor: they are scum
what scum says: No We'Re MaSoNs

Along with HPE
but I'm fine with a flavor hang

[cw357]

Joyboy why is Purple scum

why do you care what he thinks
and do you think he's going to tell you
you're trying to distract


Also I love the lunacy of you claiming mason with flavor (meaning you know he's conftown, since this isn't a BM game) yet you immediately voted him and said he was scum after he claimed vig

i dont even care about hpe right now, the two of you are so obviously scum that I've in effect gamesolved

[cw357]

I still don't get what I'd be scared of as scum? As scum I would just say "cool I can continue sheeping Flavor" and know that you are pocketed

I thought about shooting you

Hmm I'd be down to be shot

I have a self confirming role
VOTE: cw

de votes me

Town:
Flavor
Kyo
l'Dragon

Mayhaps town:
Hu Taown
Purple
Cw


Perchance the scum are all here (but probably at least 2 are here):
Gera
HPE
Pav
Joyboy

de townreads me
hallmark of scum is having no clear reads and opportunistically switching them up

cw since Flavor and I are masons could you please tell me what's your next suspicion?

That. You. Are. Scumpartners.
"oh these two players have chat at night"
occam's razor: they are scum
what scum says: No We'Re MaSoNs

Along with HPE
but I'm fine with a flavor hang

Let me try that again

If you were cop and found out that Flavor and I were town, how would your reads look?

hpe i still scumread
id have to look at kuoku
and joyboy would probably be scum in that case

but to be clear i am basically certain that the two of you are scum

Joyboy why is Purple scum

why do you care what he thinks
and do you think he's going to tell you
you're trying to distract


Also I love the lunacy of you claiming mason with flavor (meaning you know he's conftown, since this isn't a BM game) yet you immediately voted him and said he was scum after he claimed vig

i dont even care about hpe right now, the two of you are so obviously scum that I've in effect gamesolved

I don't think Joyboy has had any actual reads this day phase, and very few reads last one

I am trying to understand if they are town with a real thought process or just scum using the gimmick to coast through the game

How is that "distracting"? What am I even distracting from? The wagon on you?

i ramble in these games
deal with it

i admit you have a somewhat good point in trying to figure out if joyboy is gimmicking but it felt out of left field especially when you know he's not going to give you an answer
idk you asking him that is NAI in my book though

also there's not a single townie voting me so as far as I'm concerned there's no real wagon

CW playing dumb is a scum sign.

I don’t think Joyboy is scum.

im not playing dumb about anything
you like to use random words even when you don't know what they mean

probably agreed on joyboy although hearing it from you makes me anxious about it

[cw357]

Okay

VOTE: cw

Still want an answer from JBoy

you just said you townread me, and you're saying you'll vote me cause of flavor
this reeks of no daychat although idk setup mechanics, is it closed?

It is kind of dumb for DragonEater as scum to turn and vote me like that.

There was literally a confirmed kill, so it doesn’t go right for them if scum unless someone counterclaims.

But if someone wants to counterclaim, be my guest.

It’ll be a fun night if so.

it would be dumber for town DE to vote his fellow mason, as he supposedly claims
given the choice between the two I'd go with flavor/DE w/w
DE thought you were conf-scum and wanted to be on the right side of history, it's as simple as that; doesn't clear him in any way.

I town slipped when i messed the player count up anyways.

not a townslip, the scumslip is backing off of my push and calling it "bait" when you find out it's not mylo
also if someone with 40000 posts tells me they "townslipped" I ignore it personally

[cw357]

Why do I "know" they are not gonna give an answer? They very well may give a non-straightforward answer

What's opportunistic about sayong you are maybe town? That's extremely unopportunistic considering the wagon on you.

whatever just forget about the joyboy stuff
1.i stand by what I say though, but in the grand scheme of things we'll call it NAI

2. It's not a wagon if it has no town on it, and the opportunism is oscillating between maybe town and voting me based on how the wind is blowing. If you didn't have your scumpartners HPE and Flavor backing you up, you'd never vote me, it's just because you think you can get away with it. Something never done by town.

[cw357]

I have 17k on my first account too.

Dont even wanna count the alts i played a lot on.


@CW - how do you explain a second kill other than being from my vigilante shot?

57k+ post player - "hey look at my nk analysis!"
I. DONT. CARE.

[cw357]

Why is flavor confirmed town?

[cw357]

They claimed vig when a vig is confirmed and nobody CC'd them

there are inactive players
why is vig confirmed?
setup is closed.

[cw357]

vig is not confirmed

[cw357]

oh yeah im an idiot
still i want to wait for everyone to post before accepting this

but if in fact nobody ccs flavor's vig claim i guess that changes things

[cw357]

holy shit could flavor actually be conftown

this will crumble all my reads
I don't believe it yet though

[cw357]

Can we kill CW now so I don’t have to waste a potential vig kill if i have one on them?

Do you not think joyboy is basically trolling worse than cw was now? I'm fine with cw vote out with joyboy vig shot though if it comes down to it.

hu tao getting opporunitsic
I WANT MEAT
very sussy impostor

[cw357]

joyboy/hu tao
i could see it

again, if and only if flavor's vig claim doesn't get cced

[cw357]

Flavor/HPE/DE have no opinions, all they care about is getting rid of town as non-suspiciously as possible and coordinating their votes to do so

Do you really think all 3 scum would be pushing you? Also thought you had joyboy scum?

yes, no
at first i scumread him and i still find him sus but idk i scumread him less if that makes sense?

ur sus

[cw357]

I'm going to sleep.

[cw357]

im still pissed that I was (presumably?) wrong about flavor
UNVOTE:

[cw357]

pavowski seems vaguely town to me

[cw357]

im still pissed that I was (presumably?) wrong about flavor
UNVOTE:

How does this change your reads

see below

Oh I see, DE is scum trying to bait out the real vig
VOTE: DE

well this means at least one scum in DE/Kyouko, which I could have seen already.
I arrive at the following conclusion:
If Kyouko is town then DE/Flavor ig could be w/w? Maybe both Kyo and DE are scum
But I'm going to go out on a limb and VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko
prob should vig DE if kyouko flips town

[cw357]

im still pissed that I was (presumably?) wrong about flavor
UNVOTE:

How does this change your reads

see below

Oh I see, DE is scum trying to bait out the real vig
VOTE: DE

well this means at least one scum in DE/Kyouko, which I could have seen already.
I arrive at the following conclusion:
If Kyouko is town then DE/Flavor ig could be w/w? Maybe both Kyo and DE are scum
But I'm going to go out on a limb and VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko
prob should vig DE if kyouko flips town

I'm not going to pretend to understand the logic of why this post means Kyo or DE or *both* could be scum, but the more I sit with it the more scum!Dragon makes sense to me

VOTE: Dragon

My post was articulated poorly. If Kyouko is town, then DE is necessarily scum I think. But if Kyouko is scum, it doesn't rule out (although I think its unlikely) DE being scum.

If a DE wagon will get more steam that Kyouko I'll support it since Flavor sounds on board with vigging the other? (please correct me @Flavor if this is not the case)
VOTE: DragonEater70

[cw357]

Feels like Kyouko already knew that was there and is acting like they didn’t

explain?

Can someone voting dragon explain that? I don't see it

pushed laplacian while maintaining distance yesterday in a very un-towny way
pocket attempts
a lot of interactions stuff, if a dragon wagon actually becomes a big thing I could ISO

[cw357]

Kyouko posted the cop soft that Thom did

red sus

Feels like Kyouko already knew that was there and is acting like they didn’t

explain?

Can someone voting dragon explain that? I don't see it

pushed laplacian while maintaining distance yesterday in a very un-towny way
pocket attempts
a lot of interactions stuff, if a dragon wagon actually becomes a big thing I could ISO

Basically i think Kyouko already knew that FBI soft was there, and is acting like they just found it to help push a narrative. It’s sussy baka if they knew about it in Day 1.

red sus

I guess I wouldn't hate a pav vote either

I promise I'm not deliberately spamming the thread, but I hate wall posting. Between my last post and some notes I took at the end of d1 when I got home and the thread was locked have me really considering Purple/Dragon as two of the three scum (It would be 3 in a normal, right?). And given they know each other IRL...

scum!Purple / scum!Dragon works
town!Purple / scum!Dragon works
scum!Purple / town!Dragon doesn't work
town!Purple / town!Dragon could work but that means I have to find 3 scum in HPE, Kyouko, Joy, CW, Gera, Hu Tao. Possible? Yes. Likely? Feels like no.

Purple, what's your take on Dragon right now?

I don’t get the relation between the two.

Dragon was goading purple into voting on Day 1, though, and i think purple lack of voting is kinda townie

There's no relation

Pav isn't making sense and is just trying to divert attention elsewhere, IMO

This.

Specifically I don't think Ive said much of anything about Hu or Dragon but this morning I say they could both be scum and suddenly Hu could go for a pav vote and you say I'm diverting and not making sense even though I think my read on you/purple is pretty basic.

So yes, I found these posts funny.

Why am I scum before this?

It's not that you're overtly scummy, it's that I have basically no reason to townread you after, what, almost 40 pages? And when I can't say I TR you more than, say, Joyboy or Geraint at this point of the game...

I found your vote in 509 particularly bizarre and unhelpful and have been fostering sussy thoughts about you since then. Had Lap flipped scum, it would be a major red flag. The green flip makes it a little less clear but I still didn't love your explanation for it.

The focus on the Joyboy slot is also flagging me. You're there at end of d1 and again here on d2, but you aren't casing, you're just voting.

honestly i towncore pavowski atm
maybe im getting lulled by his tone but I've townread him the whole game
probably towncore flavor
I feel stupid saying I towncore joyboy but there've been games on other forums where I troll like this and it's usually cuz I'm bored as VT or smthn
also maybe hpe? I liked the way it responded to me and it the tone/playing style wasn't wildly consistent with past town games

purple/dragon/kyokuo is probably the scumteam I see at the moment
I haven't gone through geraint or purple's posts and I'd like to individually iso kyokuo since I haven't given that any detail but again if today's wagon is dragon that probably deserves focus too

[cw357]

Speaking of Geraint, where is that dude

8 posts

1st!
7 votes to get rid of a townie!

no

Also hi Thomith

Do you have an opinion on sheeping people day 1?

VOTE: dragoneater

RVS

This postnis way too serious

A. WTF did I just read

B. Some nice alignment indicative commentary:

*pokes thread with a stick*

What, do you people have jobs or something?

Somebody vote Kyouko for that smell thing, that was weird, wasn't it?

That way I can defend her and be all "nah that's totally normal, actually"

I'm finding myself not liking this post. Its giving me a weird gut ping that it feels fake but I dont know how to explain it fully.

You mentioned earlier that we were early on in the day, but here you are acting like there is a sense of urgency that feels like a subtle contradiction.

Why are you trying to get other people to vote Kyouko for something that you find weird? Why not lead the charge yourself if you want to get the game moving?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Pavowski

Thomith don't you think maybe you're jumping the gun a bit? Pavowski's post seems a little, teensy tiny bit, blatantly, shitposty.

Second post by HPE that pinged me as scummy

VOTE: HPE

i think shitposting is still just a mask, and can be alignment indicative either way. I dont think there's enough to discern a correct answer with Pavowski at all. I lean town, but wouldnt die on that hill.

ok actually the ones who are all on people for not doing tasks are able to tell because they're not doing tasks themselves
I find this mega-sussy

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Flavor Leaf
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Also these 2 sentiments don't add up.

I'm not on anyone, nor do I plan to be.

VOTE: Flavor

But let's get a Flavor wagon going.

I'm torn between sheeping you and voting scum.

I guess I'll sheep any vote that isn't a self vote.

Though, thinking about it, I wouldn't

mind

pocketing Flavor, but that would probably require more effort than I am willing to put in for Day 1.

could be joke
i do see jokes here
but are jokes allowed?? :/

This checks out. Dragon town.

too jumpy, but not sussy-jumpy
more incompetent jumpy
imaginge you say someone venting adn you said

OHH MY GOODNESS BIG DADDY I SEE THE IMPROSOTR
but it was just an engineer
well that makes me think he do be just a jumpy conslusioner idk idk idk
*snipped rest of post*

cw is probably town

Spicy take, CW, lapalacian, HPE, and Pavowski are all town.

Why's HPE town?

Agree about the others probably

if you think flattery is gonna let you pocket me, well i gotta tell ya, you're probably right.

DragonEater's already doing a decent job making his pocket comfy.

Alright, I got a town core in Pavowski and DragonEater. Anyone's welcome at the table thus far to see what we're cooking, promise you some good flavor.

I'mma reverse pocket.

Yeah I could work with that

Can we policy elim cw? Or modkill?

modkills are generally reserved for breaches of game integrity.
idk what cw is doing but i skimmed his iso and i get the vibe he's just town playing weirdly so i would hope we don't have to policy him.
need to read rest of game though.

I think the point of a policy elim is that you do it without regard to the person's alignment, becayse they are harming thread health etc etc

kinda up for the policy if it continues. they already claimed vanilla, and yall know i love fading vanillas day 1.

Yep

Laplacian is scum you nerds you can policy the shitposter tomorrow

Reason?

going to read everything this one missed in a sec here but saw a bunch of votes moving around Pavowski so time to UNVOTE: Pavowski before something stupid happens

Another scum post

*snipped cw quotes*
well, i was hoping you might do something to convince me/the town that you wouldn't be a good policy execution, but so far, this isn't very persuasive. i get the impression that you're not willing to engage with the game in good faith regardless of your alignment. i don't intend to fight for a policy execution here, but as of now, i don't mind one. i'd like to have some more discussion before though if that's what we do, game's only just started.

p-edit: yes it is.

Kinda think this is sliiiightly scummy for the "I am not going to push a policy lim but I don't oppose one", since it could come from scum not wanting to initiate an anti-town play while still wanting to support it, BUT I do think town could also say this, so right now it's a very small scumlean.

So is this game dead already? That sucks.

Btw I am an Alien Novice Death-Millerizer 2-Shot Vigilante.

Sus post. How is it dead? It's been less than a day?

Sus post. How is it sus? It's just an RVS post?

Seriously though, I think Hu Taown is in town.

feels like a weak buss if DE were to flip wolf

I barely remember much of geraint, but i think that's a good thing with geraint slightly, and i expect to be able to read em if they're scum anyways.

yep, ive done nothing. i know you can read me, so i am happy to not vote you on day 1 and skip to day 2

... not sure if there's a history here but it pisses me off when people pretend like d1 doesn't exist

VOTE: Laplacian

bandwagoning (to an extent I think scum can get equally jumpy with this compared to town so probably NAI)

Well, that's E-2. If I get rushed in the next few hours, probably 1+ scum on me already and 1+ scum in the last two voters

Yoy aren't getting voted out, don't worry

famous last words

VOTE: Laplacian

Gonna elaborate or just vote and run?

I am doing what I can to progress the game

this almost comes across as town but take it for what it's worth

Glad cw is back and toning down the memes. However, they pop back in within 30 minutes of Kyouko saying cw had valid thoughts. Could just be good timing, but I'm also thinking scum chat coaching. Like, "tone it down before you get policied, go contribute next time you're mentioned"

am i just in the wrong scum chats. i have never had games like this where my partners tell me how to post

fluff

I don't townread but I townlean geraint more than I scumlean so yeah

[cw357]

MY READS

WELCOME TO AMOGUS CITY

He got that drip frfr

The nice list
Flavor
Pavowski
Joyboy

The neutral list
HighPrincessErinys
geraintm
Purplemango

The naught list (impostors are venting and sabotaging our tasks like taking care of navigation but then the oxygen starts to run out??!?!?!??!!)
Kyouku
DragonEater
Hu Tao

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[cw357]

MY READS

WELCOME TO AMOGUS CITY

He got that drip frfr

The nice list
Flavor
Pavowski
Joyboy

The neutral list
HighPrincessErinys
geraintm
Purplemango

The naught list (impostors are venting and sabotaging our tasks like taking care of navigation but then the oxygen starts to run out??!?!?!??!!)
Kyouku
DragonEater
Hu Tao

further developments could cause me to downgrade either joyboy or purplemango and swap them with a scumread, unlikely though

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Unfortunately 1 and probably 2 of your scumreads are wrong. So might need to rethink it

so you're in effect defending either de or kyouku. why?
lol

in case I haven't already VOTE: DragonEater because atm I see that as most viable elim

Regarding Kyouku, I might rethink sr upon looking at FBI post because I feel like:
scum is unlikely to do that, scum probably says most of the time cop's dead, who gives a shit, I'm not going to draw attention to how I found out (leads to wifom--> NAI)

he's in my theoretical scumteam, along definitely with hu tao and de, but idkidkdik

purple and joyboy are still in my consciousness

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I think I’m still team fade CW

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I think I’m still team fade CW

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I've been town reading dragon since day 1

You are scumpartners with him you silly sussy imposter!

I could be high but that may be e-2.

In the interests of holidays since I imagine most of us may not be around, and so silly things don't happen, I'm unvoting. This vote will be reapplied in 48 hours or so.

UNVOTE: Dragon

scary pavowski showing dragon who's boss mwhahahaahahaahahaha

[cw357]

I think I’m still team fade CW

If he's town and we don't vote him out today and vote out town today I think we lose tomorrow. Because he will push on me or dragon tomorrow. So I agree.

Fixed

lol this is the most blatant de/hu Tao w/w post I’ve seen yet

[cw357]

I feel I was close to a full solve with CW, Pavowski, HPE. HPE’s AtE is strong, though, so I think they could be town, but then there’s a scum in the lurkers, so

Im town

[cw357]

I WANT MEAT
THIS MEAT IS NOT FRESH

[cw357]

i am vt

not opposed to a hu tao wagon, who's feeling it?

maybe hu tao/dragon/hpe is scumteam?

[cw357]

Pavowski, Kyouko, HPE, Hu Tao are my candidates that I'm okay with if we're not going CW.

UNVOTE: CW

I've made a case on HPE Kyouku and Hu Tao in the past, tbh if ur going to soft pr you should hard claim so I don't like dragon's situation, but I haven't read in any detail past posts, so disregard for all intents and purposes.

Pavowski for me has flown under the radar and I don't support a pavowski elim (he's been literally in my towncore) but if that's who everyone else wants to wagon onto its not like I have the ability nor the desire to prevent it

[cw357]

we got over a week, we can wait it out and make players like joyboy/geraint/purple come in and give thoughts. id like to hear from them/talk to them directly.

Right now in my mind most players make sense that they are town at different levels, which doesn't really help
I'll probably think about it again later to come to conclusions that also include scum

Just want to point out that this post is starting with townreads, not giving scumreads
IMO it's not a good look although in the bigger picture idk if this matters

[cw357]

How terrible would a mass claim be right now. Because as of right now, I feel like if we don't get scum today or by vig shot, we lose effectively.

lmfao are u just pr hunting now?
VOTE: Hu Tao (although I think I already did iirc)

[cw357]

i just dont feel purple has any sort of agenda

in a lot of ways scum can just go with the flow and play

without

an agenda, although im sure its not universal

[cw357]

I CLAIM VT

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[cw357]

Hmm, maybe we just fade the Vanilla claim and move to next

no u
lets elim the vig

[cw357]

Rather you shoot Dragon if you flip me/CW today but you do you boo

Maybe somebody can change my mind over the coming days, tho

I'm re-voting Dragon tomorrow

I can't. They softed some sort of BP esque role, and i dont wanna mess with the WIFOM of that. I'd rather shoot for a for sure kill. I can see a world where they faked it, but yeah, I'm not going to be vigging DE.

where?

HPE is probably my second choice behind hu tao since it sounds like dragon isnt(?) happening.

[cw357]

proudly

[cw357]

I’m probably leaning Pavowski or Kyouko today.

EBWOP

[cw357]

WHY NOT HU TAO

[cw357]

DOES NOTHING ABOUT THEIR PLAY PING YOU MORE THAN KYOUKO (who i put in the same group together of v/w

[cw357]

In response to @above Flavor Leaf:
Hu Tao literally has no scumreads except for HPE (a little bit and not even anymore) and a tunnel on Joyboy. The HPE one is based only off of meta, and Joyboy's is based off of one vote for me suggesting a PL. I jokingly responded with a loquacious polemic concerning the recreation of amogus sussy-time, our favorite, and Hu Tao immediately bandwagoned. I suggest looking at Hu Tao's ISO, and you'll see virtually no scumreads anywhere. Only agreeable questions getting lobbed at other players without any apparent desire to solve.

@Flavor can you tell me:
1) where dragon softed pr
2) explanation for pavowski and Kyouku scumread summarized
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I'm at E-2, no shit I'm in survival mode. The two leading votes are basically me vs you right now, and I know I'm town while you've been exuding scum vibes, so ofc I'm going to try to get people to vote smart instead of following ssmb's train tunnel to a mislim.

Then actually find and vote scum

? He's saying he's voting someone who is scummy. What do you mean

this feels like a deliberate misunderstanding of Dragon in a way that pings w/w - asking for mundane clarification feels like a direct attempt to safeguard interactions analysis

VOTE: CW
THIS MEAT IS TERRIBLE! HEALTHY BUT TERRIBLE!
LETS GET IT OUT OF HERE SO WE CAN GET TO THE GOOD MEAT TOMORROW

people who actively try to pl are auto-impostor
VOTE: Joyboy

I actually agree with this. Policy elims are terrible

low-effort, start of joyboy tunneling/scumread

Kyouko did you ever reply to my post asking if you see any similarities between this game and the smugglers game for HPE? I have a tendency to scumread HPE a lot, so not sure.

This is (as an explanation for previous HPE vote) an extremely blatant reliance on past town-meta

VOTE: Joyboy

Can you explain this vote to me?

Yeah. I think I explained before the vote but let me check

literally just that joyboy called for pl

VOTE: Joyboy

tunnelling

Also I agree joyboy seems the best vote today so far

more tunneling

[cw357]

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Hu Tao, can you talk about the PV/CW - Hu Tao/DragonEater dynamics to me? What are your thoughts on the 4 of you, not necessarily your read, but your thoughts on the 2 v 2 as a general thing.

I think that cw is probably town but will vote wrong tomorrow so he needs to go. Still a small chance he flips scum so better now then later. Pav seems to be the one who does soft defenses of cw so I think he could be the scum that wants cw alive for tomorrow.

In terms of Dragon and me. Could dragon ve pocketing me? Idk, I don't think so. Last time I played with dragon scum he was obvious and I called it day 1. I don't see that here. I think it's weird cw tries to push that me and dragon are a pair and his read seems very surface level which is why I think there is a chance cw flips scum.

ur literally just parroting flavor to try and get me to go, after townreading me prior

When I flip green vig either hu tao or dragoneater
hpe is bad too, and if 2 of 3 of those are scum, it allows for miselim potential with one of hpe/pavowski

[cw357]

Never mind that was Hu Tao, damn these H names

I hated that analysis

Maybe I'm biased because I hate everything cw posts, but like are they scumreading her for "tunneling"? Since when has "tunneling" been a scum-exclusive trait?

And calling 399 w/w with me is laughable.

Honestly I am not sure it can even be called analysis, it looks like cw just opens a person's ISO and finds reasons to scumread them, ignoring any context or reasons to TR them.

I agree with Flavor that this is probably scum acting that way intentionally. Or newbscum who doesn't know hoe to fake natural reads.

VOTE: cw

i have townreads ur not one of them

Hu Tao, can you talk about the PV/CW - Hu Tao/DragonEater dynamics to me? What are your thoughts on the 4 of you, not necessarily your read, but your thoughts on the 2 v 2 as a general thing.

I think that cw is probably town but will vote wrong tomorrow so he needs to go. Still a small chance he flips scum so better now then later. Pav seems to be the one who does soft defenses of cw so I think he could be the scum that wants cw alive for tomorrow.

In terms of Dragon and me. Could dragon ve pocketing me? Idk, I don't think so. Last time I played with dragon scum he was obvious and I called it day 1. I don't see that here. I think it's weird cw tries to push that me and dragon are a pair and his read seems very surface level which is why I think there is a chance cw flips scum.

I'm gonna locktown Hu Tao

So that makes 4 I'm never voting - Purple, Flavor, Hu Tao and myself.

w/w

[cw357]

VOTE: cw357
I'm not changing this vote rest of d2, you all can either wise up and vote hu tao or dragon or I'll get elimed, in which case doesn't make a difference what I vote

[cw357]

@2above admissison of guilt

[cw357]

dragon, hu tao = powerwolf

[cw357]

this is my swan song
scum is probably dragon+hu tao+hpe
I called it
tbh I don't even care anymore

[cw357]

this is my swan song
scum is probably dragon+hu tao+hpe
I called it
tbh I don't even care anymore

Setting aside DE/HT, why is HPE scum over Pavowski? I feel these two are very clearly unaligned and I would lean toward Pavowski being scum more often than HPE

because I say so

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I think it's {Pavowski} + 2 of {Joyboy, geraintm, Purplemango}. DE has deepwolf potential but I think the level of effort shown here is unlikely to come from scum given what I just saw from scum!DE a few weeks ago.

lol that's probbly vv/v/v/v/v lol no u

[cw357]

no
ur w/w with de

[cw357]

I'm at E-2
just hammer

[cw357]

Feels like Kyouko already knew that was there and is acting like they didn’t

explain?

Can someone voting dragon explain that? I don't see it

pushed laplacian while maintaining distance yesterday in a very un-towny way
pocket attempts
a lot of interactions stuff, if a dragon wagon actually becomes a big thing I could ISO

Basically i think Kyouko already knew that FBI soft was there, and is acting like they just found it to help push a narrative. It’s sussy baka if they knew about it in Day 1.

Same thing occurred to me but I didn't know if that was the paranoia talking

It sure feels like I'm seeing Pavowski *behind* a lot of ideas but not giving a lot of his own ideas

VOTE: Pavowski
I do think I prefer this over cw because there's a possibility cw is being used as a townbeard. I agree with the points made that, if town, cw could be a liability in ELO given his tunneling hasn't stopped yet. Maybe it stops soon though if he is town?

Idk if it's stopped or not

We just need to vig cw

But I can support a Pav wagon

lol dragon knows that if I were to flip green by getting elim-ed he, hpe, and hu tao would suddenly be vig targets ahahahahahahah
very smart

[cw357]

just do it I hate playing against powerwolfs

[cw357]

scum is dragon/hpe/hu tao/kyouku all scum is in these for

[cw357]

The team is like not Geraint, Purple, Joyboy, i just drastically refuse to believe that here.

CW, Pacowski, Dragon, HPE, Kyouko, and Hu Tao have all had some various degree of 'oh woe is me', either directly towards me, or generalizing.

Everyone's default defense is going to AtE.

i invented ate
those haters are copying lol

i have found scum thus I'm mvp regardless of further play. my work is done

[cw357]

i will probably shoot somewhere that i think has a chance to hit scum in combination with taking out a possible misfade/changing social game dynamics in conjunction with having someone there I think can solve/garner momentum to a victory.

so me :/
u r bad vig

[cw357]

I don't agree fully with a kyouku hang thus I will not vote

def think dragon or hu tao is a stronger bet

[cw357]

scum is dragon/hpe/hu tao/kyouku all scum is in these for

I don't agree fully with a kyouku hang thus I will not vote

def think dragon or hu tao is a stronger bet

Yes and?

[cw357]

I don't think kyouku hang is strongest. so?

[cw357]

i also dont think scum actively leave me alive here, so im assuming i die unless there's a protective.

I have shown today that I am a firm believe in

ANYONE CAN GET IT

Quit waving the gun around, man

flavor leaf is powertripping

[cw357]

im out

[cw357]

CW, Pav, and Kyouko have all had a 'flip me if you have to' (to varying degrees of niceties), DragonEater kind of had it with their claim and self confirmation (this is a big piece of annoying WIFOM, wish they didnt claim that), and Hu Tao is woe is me'ing future them and actively trying not to get vigged (comes across as mostly townie with some scum possibility, which annoyingly would be the point of it)

so some of yall townies AtE'ing and some of yall fake and scum.

HPE would be the 6th player, and while they havent had the same type of woe is me, they can't handle an inkling of suspicion towards them, which is also annoying, but ive seen play like that before from town. They dont seem to have my vig on their mind very much, though, and other than lurker squad, i cant say the same about the other 5.

is this a woe is me post?
spoken by a conftown
lol

"They dont seem to have my vig on their mind" holy powertrip

[cw357]

vig me i dare you
see i have your vig on my mind

[cw357]

please vig dragon or hu tao (preferably dragon)

[cw357]

hpe sus
i scumread hpe more than kyouko after this interaction
please vig hpe/dragon/hu tao please

[cw357]

THIS MEAT IS NOT FRESH

[cw357]

i know I said i was going to self when there was a wagon on me to end the day faster, but since the wagon is on kyouku and it looks like that's not changing im going to break my promise and VOTE: kyouku so we can be done with this

i want a flip
but im telling u if anyone's scum its dragon+hu tao+hpe
hoping for the best here

[cw357]

My current solve is Kyouko, CW, and one of Hu Tao/Dragon.

Geraint could slide in there if they’re scum in place of one of them, but I’m pretty happy with the other slots.

Most of Kyouko’s posts today were a lot of IioA, and there were conclusions made directed towards HPE.

I just think HPE fits the bill of impressionable town (not in a bad way) and takes the time to consider the cases that get presented.

Feels like they’ve just been on too many of the wagons outwardly, and i don’t think scum do it like that that often.

No.

It is wifom to argue what you argue. Let me provide an analogy to amogus sussy-time:
Suppose standing in electrical is widely considered sus. Then an impostor (!) stands in electrical and gets ejected. So now impostors do not like to stand in electrical because all crewmates will say "YOU R TOO SUSSY BAKA FOR MEE" and eject. So now crewmates either do not stand in electrical. So now suppose someone does not stand in electrical. (!?!?!?) Well then why are they more crewmate than impostor when crewmates have identical self-preservation goals??? HMMMM.

Swap hpe with kyouku and get rid of me for hu tao/dragon and you've got ur scumteam

[cw357]

im not scum

[cw357]

Can we wait for Gamma to finish catching up CW

That’s a bus vote hoping to end the day faster

so when kyouku flips town then I'm conftown? lolololol i dare u to vig me ahahaa

[cw357]

That's my fear

UNVOTE: Kyouko

Same as last night blah blah blah I don't want shenanigans I want Gamma to finish the day

pav................................................................

I think this was a good unvote. Game is getting a lot more analysis, and frankly, this could be the only time Gamma and I have to converse this game. CW vote looked baaaaad timing to me.

no u
guess im dead now so i can spend time on more productive things

[cw357]

Cw if I'm confirmed town right now, who would be scum then?

nobody cuz in my book ur confscum

[cw357]

flavor is so overconfident that its irritating to deal with i should have gotten the vig then we would win i would find the sussy-baka impostors not doing their tasks and eject them right off this ship, no engineer spying or camera catching needed teeheeheeeheehee

[cw357]

Can we wait for Gamma to finish catching up CW

no

[cw357]

hammer time

[cw357]

I'm getting some of the sussiest vibes ever from Gamma. OMGUS! OMGUS! OMGUS! THIS MEAT IS NOT FRESH

[cw357]

We're def in a world where Gamma / Kyouko is T/S, S/T, or S/S.

that narrows it down
what if they're v/v lolololol nice try + rip + LLLLLLL

[cw357]

Appealing to the part of me that wants CW blood iced the cake.

no u

[cw357]

gamma sus imo

[cw357]

Pavowski, Kyouko, HPE, Hu Tao are my candidates that I'm okay with if we're not going CW.

UNVOTE: CW

I've made a case on HPE Kyouku and Hu Tao in the past,

tbh if ur going to soft pr you should hard claim so I don't like dragon's situation

, but I haven't read in any detail past posts, so disregard for all intents and purposes.

Pavowski for me has flown under the radar and I don't support a pavowski elim (he's been literally in my towncore) but if that's who everyone else wants to wagon onto its not like I have the ability nor the desire to prevent it

This is a scum mindset
Letting VTs soft PR allows for scum to have to parse softs for their validity, this feels like a scum that doesn’t enjoy having to do that

MY GOOD SIR I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE (!)
FOR YOU SEE IT GIVES SCUM PLAUSIBLE ABILITY TO SOFT (!!?!?!?!!!)
if the status quo in this game was "soft and people tr you for it" then scum would soft and it'd keep them alive until d3/4 and then there MIGHT (also might not) be a cc, in which case tiebreaking vote is prob only 50/50.

So no, vague softing is not good for town.

[cw357]

i hate the cycles on this site can we just hammer

[cw357]

you seem to scumread kyouku irrevocably anyways, for some odd reason, so why not just hammer

[cw357]

Because if you answer yes you are simply hard throwing and it's not even funny

fucking ick

you give me the ick

[cw357]

99% of stuff in mafia is NAI, can you stop bombarding us with posts

[cw357]

why are you sheeping flavor so much?
also a fellow texan, am in hs in dallas

[cw357]

Because if you answer yes you are simply hard throwing and it's not even funny

fucking ick

you give me the ick

I do not care what you think of me
I’m not squarely in the “I’m not here to make friends” camp but I do realize that trying to be pals with everyone is impossible. Also your behavior in this game has solidly put me off from caring about getting along with you.

99% of stuff in mafia is NAI, can you stop bombarding us with posts

[cw357]

lol now gamma stops sheeping hahaaha

[cw357]

I'd like to be friends with you gamma

[cw357]

please vig dragon or hu tao (preferably dragon)

-2

HELLO SIR I AM CW357 I HAVE A VERY VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION FOR YOU TODAY
MY QUESTION SIR THAT I WOULD VERY LIKE TO ASK IS WHAT THE REASONING IS FOR THE AFOREMENTIONED STATEMENT WHICH YOU SIR HAVE PROVIDED TO US

THANK YOU AND HAVE AN EXCELLENT DAY
THIS MEAT IS NOT FRESH
Sent from my iPhone

[cw357]

hpe is constantly scumcasing me (i assume for later days) in a way that pings heavily
hu tao is hu tao ergo confscum
dragon was very sussy vis a vis laplacian elim

[cw357]

VOTE: Kyouku
Kyouku is town
VOTE: Kyouku
Kyouku is town
VOTE: Kyouku
Kyouku is town
VOTE: Kyouku
Kyouku is town

[cw357]

please vig dragon or hu tao (preferably dragon)

-2

HELLO SIR I AM CW357 I HAVE A VERY VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION FOR YOU TODAY
MY QUESTION SIR THAT I WOULD VERY LIKE TO ASK IS WHAT THE REASONING IS FOR THE AFOREMENTIONED STATEMENT WHICH YOU SIR HAVE PROVIDED TO US

THANK YOU AND HAVE AN EXCELLENT DAY
THIS MEAT IS NOT FRESH
Sent from my iPhone

It means I think DragonEater70 is a dogshit vig shot

why

[cw357]

can u hammer kyouku

[cw357]

lurkers will do it anyways
i want to get this day over so fl can (not) vig me

[cw357]

Okay there's too many pages for me to just skim everything quickly so I am going to say what I think with the caveat that I might change my mind after reading everything since last night properly:

This message is addressed to Flavor.

I am NOT, by any measure, a very good scum hunter. If somebody nominated me for Paragon of Mafia Hunters I'd laugh in their face.

BUT

I am VERY good at correctly finding town. In Love Child, I had a correct townblock of 6 people when there were 11 players alive - enough that if we just limmed everyone outside of it, it would have been auto-win. And it's important to note that Gamma wanted to add Hu Tao (scum) to it and I DID NOT agree because I had doubts on her. In Mini Normal 2317, I called the following people "locktown" / "hard town" at various stages of the game, and they were all town: Titus, Elements, Gamma, Naerys. (Admittedly I called Snivy locktown too but that was for like 2 minutes and I promptly changed my mind and went back to pushing him so it doesn't count). On the other hand the scum team hovered between nullscum and nulltown for the entire game.

Now my point being, Hu Tao is

TOWN

. Don't you fucking dare put her in a solve.

My other point being, I'm actually pretty sure Kyouko is town. Like really pretty sure. I'd like to not vote her today. I'd also like to not vote me today and I'd ALSO prefer to not vote cw today (but I am not really sure he's town). Yeah I know this goes against everything you believe, Flavor, but sometimes you gotta trust other people in the game of mafia. Unless you can provide me proof that you can read Kyouko extremely well or something, I am going to have to say that you need to "trust me bro" on this one. Do you know why I lost 2317? Not because I wasn't townreading town. Because I let people convince me that my (correct) townreads were not correct. And because I did not double down on these strong townreads and vote everyone who I wasn't TRing.

Now if you'll excuse me, let's vote scum (aka people I am not TRing).

VOTE: Gamma

gamma's playstyle irks me but this is so scummy its hilarious
please vig dragon please vig dragon

kyouku will flip town i feel relatively confident so we need the most definite scum flip we can find, not some complicated gambit that you're trying to come up with fl

[cw357]

Pavowski
HPE

Purplemango
DragonEater

Geraintm
CW

Hu Tao
Gamma Emerald

ssbm_Kyouko

One scum in each of the 3 bottom tiers imo. If Kyouko town, scum is in top 2 tiers.

im not scum and i dont think geraint is either
why do you put him in that category out of curiosity Flavor Leaf

[cw357]

so why does gamma alignment have any implications on kyouku?

[cw357]

Do you at least agree with my opinion that DE’s reaction to a kyouko scumflip should be telling? I don’t need an assurance that you’ll follow the letter of my idea as long as you recognize the spirit of it.

telling in what way?They think she's town, if Kyouko flips town, they can go the i knew it route, and if she flips scum, he can go the 'good job, thats on me' route.

Yeah sure, give him a fucking script.
So much for our fucking history, I thought you respected me enough to give me some goddamn runway for when you’d more than likely be out of the game and I’d have to carry the torch.

why can't I carry the torch?

[cw357]

Do you at least agree with my opinion that DE’s reaction to a kyouko scumflip should be telling? I don’t need an assurance that you’ll follow the letter of my idea as long as you recognize the spirit of it.

telling in what way?They think she's town, if Kyouko flips town, they can go the i knew it route, and if she flips scum, he can go the 'good job, thats on me' route.

Yeah sure, give him a fucking script.
So much for our fucking history, I thought you respected me enough to give me some goddamn runway for when you’d more than likely be out of the game and I’d have to carry the torch.

if ur iq is more than 5 it should be pretty easy to figure out how to play a town/scum flip of kyouku after pushing "he's town"
this is just wifom and as much as I scumread dragon I don't like this take at all

[cw357]

Do you at least agree with my opinion that DE’s reaction to a kyouko scumflip should be telling? I don’t need an assurance that you’ll follow the letter of my idea as long as you recognize the spirit of it.

telling in what way?They think she's town, if Kyouko flips town, they can go the i knew it route, and if she flips scum, he can go the 'good job, thats on me' route.

Yeah sure, give him a fucking script.
So much for our fucking history, I thought you respected me enough to give me some goddamn runway for when you’d more than likely be out of the game and I’d have to carry the torch.

why can't I carry the torch?

We both came to the same solve independently. You did not even come close to either of our solves. If there a torxh being carried, I’m the one doing it.

"independently" - no
it's not a solve if ur wrong

[cw357]

gamma/dragon/hu tao i could see if kyouku were to flip town

Gamma's read on dragon comes across as bussing because she even acknowledged that in the present reality anything other than kyouku is unlikely and the others are what they are. Also dragon scumleaning the gamma slot seems weak (and counter to what a lot of others did) since eliming that slot would have amounted to a pl.

My point is just that:
(a) Gamma and dragon are probably not v/v
(b) It's plausible that they're w/w
UNVOTE:
I'll review kyouku's ISO and the wagon but in the meantime I don't want to be a part of an elim
my motivation for this game is back

[cw357]

Kyouoko, CW/Geraint, Hu Tao/Dragon/Gamma

Hu Tao, Dragon, and Gamma could be scum at the same time IMO, which kind of weakens this solve.
Gamma Emerald how's that solve alignment going now lololol

[cw357]

my motivation for this game is back

you had motivation for it at all?

I once saw amogus sussy time and had a vision that so as it was transfixed so would we in this game be partaking of its luscious products. It was simply a hope, a fleeting one, as the first day of Mini Normal 2322 began, a hope dashed by the incessant demands of the mundane. Yet so as the present events transpire, such hope returns, and in it, I find a realization of peace nonpariel to comparable derivations.

THIS MEAT IS NOT FRESH

[cw357]

You do realize what I said doesn’t at all get invalidated by Flavor’s solve evolving? Fucking chump.

So you admit you could be scum? HAHAHA GOTCHA

THIS MEAT IS NOW FRESH
I WANT FRESH MEAT

[cw357]

gamma is as sussybaka as ever
almost as sussy as the skibidi toilet:


OH MY GOD IT IS MR WALTER WHITE OF THE CRITICALLY ACCLAIMED AMC NETWORKS SERIES "BREAKING BAD" PLAYED BY BRYAN CRANSTON. THIS IS WHERE HE COOKS THE METH, IN THE SKIBIDI TOILET. EVEN MORE SO, HE IS A SKIBIDI TOILET!!!


It is in this way that I argue gamma is hiding in the toilet just like the skibidi toilet and will jump up and surpirise us when the toilet is flushed (a.k.a. EoD)

[cw357]

VOTE: Kyouku
kyouku is town

[cw357]

can you just hammer yourself and end it, so we don't have to wait for someone else

[cw357]

i want flips

[cw357]

gamma's not going to get hanged
it's not happening
or maybe it will
but it'll definitely take longer than you and I dont really have a preference otherweise

[cw357]

i dont know
what I do know is that you are showing self-preservation beyond what town usually shows—at this point most people give up and give their reads and thoughts one last time. I find it admittedly difficult to see you/gamma being anything other than v/w w/v, but p 73 is reeking of manipulation not for the purpose of solving, and having your thoughts be carried over post-elim (we have a conf vig after all) but just to avoid getting elimed. Not saying town doesn't try to avoid getting elimed, but the more you post, the more comfortable I get with keeping my vote on you indefinitely

[cw357]

i dont fully scumread gamma either
i know i said i did but it was kind of an omgus joke

tbh i just dont see a gamma elim as viable and you're a good enough option that I'm fine with it, sorry

[cw357]

Also FYI I'm trying to joke in my posts but I think the tone may not be coming through?
To be clear I have voted kyouku while disagreeing with the choice because although I would strongly prefer dragon, that's not viable and I think we need a flip in thish game

[cw357]

even if both vig shot and elim are town, we have d3 no matter what (and it wouldn't shock me if scum has a roleblocker that they target flavor, although they might take the risk and not to kill off town faster, if flavor was rbed though we have d4 too)

[cw357]

I am town, and I hardpushed town!Laplacian on D1, which ended up like this:
ssbm_kyouko, Abnegation, Pavowski, HighPrincessErinys, geraintm, DragonEater70, Flavor Leaf

Flavor is town, and he is hardpushing me (town), and the wagon has bounced around a bit with these core voters:
Flavor Leaf, HighPrincessErinys
And the following players have all been on my wagon at various times toDay and unvoted/revoted:
DragonEater70, Pavowski, cw57, Hu Tao, Gamma Emerald

These players are not voting toDay:
purplemango, geraintm

Who (so far) has been on both wagons?
Pavowski
HighPrincessErinys
DragonEater70

^These are not all scum, probably I think only one is scum, and it's by far the most likely that HPE is the scum here.
Gamma is the second scum, not only because of the willful ignorance of my towntells, but also by the lack of force in posts like 1792.
The last scum is harder to find which is why I have them by POE as one of {purplemango, geraintm}. It's possible cw57 can be added to this POE based on the recent engagement but I get the feeling this is apathetic town that has resigned themselves to being forced to flip me to prove Flavor wrong

why do you townread dragon

[cw357]

this feels lazy:
Kyouku is saying {1 scum on all wagons, 1 scum not voting, 1 scum who's pushing me hard}
IMO a dragon or hpe flip is ideal but it's not happening. Flavor's basically our dictator it seems like so those aren't happening.

[cw357]

Flavor's basically our dictator it seems like so those aren't happening.

This is only true if you let it be, he can't

make

you vote me

Not worth the effort

[cw357]

IMO dragon getting on the gamma wagon with kyouku reeks of scum trying to get on a wagon with an imminent townflip. I obviously scumread dragon, and I find it hard to see scum dragon getting on a wagon with scum kyouku when kyouku is probably about to be elimed. VOTE: Dragon

it's not tunneling if ur right

[cw357]

I would add that kyouku/dragon/gamma probably can't all be scum since two scum wouldn't buss the other (i think?) so imo gamma and kyouku are v/w w/v.
Given the presence of a vig (and if vig were to get rbed we have a d4) I could get on board with a gamma wagon. Seems like it's picking up steam. Don't love it, but getting a flip in that group of three is good. I'll revisit hu tao as well

[cw357]

Gamma/Kyouko being partnered would naturally lend towards Gamma coming in to

save

Kyouko rather than

kill

her, but right now Kyouko is sitting on E-1 with Gamma on the wagon and Kyouko is now trying to pivot onto Gamma, so methink it's just Kyouko here or else, if they're partnered, the plan has completely and irreversibly fucked up somehow.

If they are both scum, it’s a distancing plan now.

Yeah you're probably right, but you're also right that in this case we still should just flip Kyouko first lmao

I just don’t think Gamma is scum.

Kyouko’s posts have a lot of subtle manipulation in them, like saying I’m preflip associating you, when I’ve just come to town read HPE. I didn’t scum read Kyouko then go “HPE must be town because of it!”

page 73 kyouku is fairly bad from my recollection
idk if a dragon vote doesn't pick up steam i might be back on kyouku
but I definitely see the case for kyouku over gamma

[cw357]

This is also a kind of stupid argument but I think it holds some water: a lot of people find playing scum to be more engaging and the gamma slot was in a lot of ways setting itself up for getting elimed—it felt so low effort that it's not even what scum would do, discrediting wifom. I'm not saying it makes me townread gamma by any means but I think trying to influence gameplay after replacing in is probably towny in some ways, whereas scum goes "lmao idk what's going on here lemme sheep leading wagon," which to be fair, gamma did sheep, but it was high-effort and felt like it was trying to figure something out. Tbf I have a major weakness for quote dumps.

Atm I do think the case for kyouku is thus stronger than gamma

[cw357]

I would add that kyouku/dragon/gamma probably can't all be scum since two scum wouldn't buss the other (i think?) so imo gamma and kyouku are v/w w/v.
Given the presence of a vig (and if vig were to get rbed we have a d4) I could get on board with a gamma wagon. Seems like it's picking up steam. Don't love it, but getting a flip in that group of three is good. I'll revisit hu tao as well

Dragon has helped Kyouko wagon more than anyone, I think

...Just not when it counted.

VOTE: Kyouko

I wanted to see what others would say/do. What do you think of cw getting off kyouko?

alright I don't hate this argument, especially dragon pulling support from kyouku
them voting together adds credence i think
VOTE: Kyouku

[cw357]

I would add that kyouku/dragon/gamma probably can't all be scum since two scum wouldn't buss the other (i think?) so imo gamma and kyouku are v/w w/v.
Given the presence of a vig (and if vig were to get rbed we have a d4) I could get on board with a gamma wagon. Seems like it's picking up steam. Don't love it, but getting a flip in that group of three is good. I'll revisit hu tao as well

Dragon has helped Kyouko wagon more than anyone, I think

...Just not when it counted.

They’re doing it right now. I feel like I come back to the game, and every time, Dragon has tried to make a push elsewhere in my absence. I think that’s all I need to be satisfied with Kyouko here today.

idk this one is just desperate for a flip, for some progress. This game is a ~special~ kind of miserable with slots like cw and gera and town's complete inability to cooperate.

im in a category with geraint
bruh that's insulting

[cw357]

kyouku r u scum?

[cw357]

Am out of town, my posts will be sparse, but will be back home on the 4th, happy new year.

IMO at least one of the past vt claims is scum
unless a shitton of prs show up later

[cw357]

hpe/gamma/geraint that is
all of them i sr so it tracks lol

[cw357]

hpe/gamma/geraint that is
all of them i sr so it tracks lol

But I thought I was scum

dont worry u still are
u too dragon

they're just all bad
obv i dont scumread flavor and i townread purple and after reread, I know I kind of sussed on gamma but maybe i tr gamma, tbh i just hate the idea of gamma v kyouku being v/v but maybe they're both just dumb? idk will need to think about it

provisional elim is geraint/gamma/dragon/hu tao although hpe would be my only other consideration
will think more sorry for brevity of post

[cw357]

agree with flavor in that dragon/purple could be a possibility
im guessing there's a doc or a town rb (? is that a thing ?) since flavor is alive
i want a complete massclaim, especially a dragon claim (since he softed pr) before i make more definitive reads

[cw357]

sorry for going awol i got bored
will post substantiative thoughts today