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I’ve been loosely following current events, why are there seemingly two camps of possible scum?<Embrace The Void>
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What makes you think I’m going to be able to read you correctly?In post 1495, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
This isn't a problem, Gamma can be held to BoP if she votes me and I flip town - I don't think this is necessarily the case though, but I see how it may seem that way because of your purple TR.In post 1490, DragonEater70 wrote:In post 1475, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Gamma can read me I am safeUnfortunately, in every world where you are town Gamma is scum
Also
I'd like to be able to say that I read your meta thing, but I didn't because I am freaking exhausted (and my philosophy is there's no point in trying to get anything AI out of wallposts when I'm tired), so I'll read it tomorrow at some point.<Embrace The Void>
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Genuinely, what was our last game together where we were both town and I read you correctly?In post 1475, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Gamma can read me I am safe<Embrace The Void>
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I’m not directly saying you’re wrong because my memory might be failing me but the most notable read on you for me was my misread in Radio Buzz. But you seem to be applying your read rate on me as a vice versa, that’s at least how it feels to me.<Embrace The Void>
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Your initial approach is not a great look though. Don’t care for the shade in your last post. I said genuinely because of my aforementioned lack of solid recollection on my past reads on you.<Embrace The Void>
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This feels pretty rare my dude. You saw me make the mistake of thinking this about HPE in BTXVII.In post 645, Flavor Leaf wrote:
I feel some push on the gamestate from them both .In post 644, Hu Tao wrote: How come
My town read on Pavowski was mainly on tone.
And HPE wagon main wagon got turned into a Lap wagon, and I was able to feel that was a wagon scum wanted instead.
So I think HPE has scum equity because of that, especially considering Abnegation flipped town.<Embrace The Void>
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I don’t really like when people try to bring mod communications into the game, there’s points where it’s necessary though. I think it leans distasteful in this instance from the behavior cw had put on but I see the technical need since he was being pushed for changing his posting.In post 728, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
this one is aware and it makes me dislike you more because you still want to make references to candy vans and slurs but aren't allowed to lol. going to try and work on a breakdown of 691 if this one has the time and motivationIn post 724, cw357 wrote: also to get one thing completely clear again cuz HPE doesn't seem to read post history:
THE REASON I STOPPED TROLLING IS BECAUSE THE MODS THREATENED TO SITE-BAN ME; I LOVE TROLLING BUT I LOVE NOT BEING BANNED MORE<Embrace The Void>
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Weirdly defensive given HPE already said it would do thatIn post 731, cw357 wrote:
I'm not breaking down my own posts. That's your job!In post 728, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
this one is aware and it makes me dislike you more because you still want to make references to candy vans and slurs but aren't allowed to lol. going to try and work on a breakdown of 691 if this one has the time and motivationIn post 724, cw357 wrote: also to get one thing completely clear again cuz HPE doesn't seem to read post history:
THE REASON I STOPPED TROLLING IS BECAUSE THE MODS THREATENED TO SITE-BAN ME; I LOVE TROLLING BUT I LOVE NOT BEING BANNED MORE<Embrace The Void>
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That is weird given odd/even night and novice are simple but I also get why night-specific isn’t fully allowed since that means things like prime-number-night are legalIn post 732, DragonEater70 wrote:
Is it? This is a Simple game. N1 modifier doesn't exiat in Simples.In post 726, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
ok now this is an interesting twistIn post 723, DragonEater70 wrote: Fun fact:
When Flavor said I should vig cw, I wanted to respond with "I agree, you should vig cw tonight while I stay home like a good townie", but I didn't because I thought that moght make people think I'm actually the vig
Anyhow, VOTE: Flavor
He's not a N1 vig.<Embrace The Void>
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Cringe postIn post 742, cw357 wrote:
scum's turning on each otherIn post 741, Flavor Leaf wrote: Night 1’s not my modifier, just wanted to WIFOM scum to have them wonder if I have another shot or not.
You looking scared, DragonEater.
I was 100% making it look like it was you. You been trying to pocket me all game.
it's fun to watch
I misinterpreted DE’s reply as CCing vig but vig is never a scum role outside of potentially complex normals and themes (this being neither) so as long as no one counterclaims, FL is confirmed town<Embrace The Void>
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The vote was horrible but I don’t see the direct benefit if you’re scum<Embrace The Void>
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This is a really easy narrative to cook up as scumIn post 760, cw357 wrote: All three of the other people in this thread are scum. They are all making a coordinated campaign against me. If for some reason I am elimed please refer to this page to see what happened.<Embrace The Void>
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In post 796, cw357 wrote:
there are inactive playersIn post 794, DragonEater70 wrote: They claimed vig when a vig is confirmed and nobody CC'd them
why is vig confirmed?
setup is closed.
YIKESIn post 797, cw357 wrote: vig is not confirmed<Embrace The Void>
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Highkey doubt itIn post 802, Flavor Leaf wrote: I need to look into seeing if I think CW/HPE is possible.<Embrace The Void>
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…In post 805, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
this one would NOT fucking play with cw as its scumpartner lmaoIn post 802, Flavor Leaf wrote: I need to look into seeing if I think CW/HPE is possible.<Embrace The Void>
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Yeah cw’s reads make no sense so I can only conclude they’re entirely fabricatedIn post 816, Flavor Leaf wrote:
SCUM PARTNERS TURNING ON EACH OTHERIn post 813, cw357 wrote:
yes, noIn post 811, Hu Tao wrote:
Do you really think all 3 scum would be pushing you? Also thought you had joyboy scum?In post 763, cw357 wrote: Flavor/HPE/DE have no opinions, all they care about is getting rid of town as non-suspiciously as possible and coordinating their votes to do so
at first i scumread him and i still find him sus but idk i scumread him less if that makes sense?
ur sus<Embrace The Void>
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lol cw is townIn post 808, cw357 wrote: holy shit could flavor actually be conftown
this will crumble all my reads
I don't believe it yet though<Embrace The Void>
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not even closeIn post 830, DragonEater70 wrote: Flavor, cw feels like KeyLaga from this game you repped out of: viewtopic.php?t=91890
(KL was town)
Okay maybe not that much but KL felt consistent, cw does not<Embrace The Void>
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This isn’t really apt either imoIn post 837, Flavor Leaf wrote:
Nah, i don’t see that at all.In post 830, DragonEater70 wrote: Flavor, cw feels like KeyLaga from this game you repped out of: viewtopic.php?t=91890
(KL was town)
Immediately after ISO’ing, I saw tons of questions being asked and at least some coherent thoughts.
CW is blind scratching, dirt walling
They remind me more of Gob.<Embrace The Void>
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This is pretty reasonable post which probably makes Hu Tao scumIn post 840, Hu Tao wrote: Only reads I'm comfortable with right now is Flavor and dragon Town. Joyboy is sus but I'm not 100% on him being scum<Embrace The Void>
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This is starting to answer my question I had coming inIn post 846, Flavor Leaf wrote: There was a time when HPE had 3 votes on them, Dragon, Myself, and Hu Tao.
Then Lap joined on, and Dragon immediately moved over to Abnegation.
Dragon and HPE have some ties there.
I also think Pavowski and Kyouko have some ties together. They both actually look pretty rough with the flips we have in hindsight rereading Day 1.
HPE
Pavowski
Kyouko
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Is a pool
Idk what it’s a pool of yet, but it’s a pool.<Embrace The Void>
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hrmIn post 1545, Flavor Leaf wrote:
Gob was just the closest relative thing that was more than what i saw from KeyLaga, since we hit Gob.In post 1539, Gamma Emerald wrote:
This isn’t really apt either imoIn post 837, Flavor Leaf wrote:
Nah, i don’t see that at all.In post 830, DragonEater70 wrote: Flavor, cw feels like KeyLaga from this game you repped out of: viewtopic.php?t=91890
(KL was town)
Immediately after ISO’ing, I saw tons of questions being asked and at least some coherent thoughts.
CW is blind scratching, dirt walling
They remind me more of Gob.
It was also a shade at Gob
I was shading/mocking gob for a little bit but when he opened up to me I quickly felt bad about it and stopped<Embrace The Void>
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I don’t like how kyouko got started there. The thing about catchphrases catching scum feeling like mega-bogus post-flipIn post 854, Flavor Leaf wrote:The lap push feels off on a reread. I just reread most of the game, and Lap was doing a good amount of work. And i was town reading it.
I don’t think i realized how much people were discrediting them.<Embrace The Void>
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In post 859, HighPrincessErinys wrote: done hanging with friend and going to call it for the night soon but could someone give me a name or two to go ISO and look at later? because this one has been doing the thing where it focuses on like one or two people at a time and what everyone else is saying kinda becomes white noise againIn post 860, DragonEater70 wrote: Pav and Hu TaoIn post 861, Purplemango wrote: Why pav is scum?@purpledid you think DE was calling pav scum, if so why?<Embrace The Void>
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Have you seen scum parrot your catchphrase before?<Embrace The Void>
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Why am I not feeling it from you then
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This solve seems okay from what I’ve seen. My only divergence is I think Dragon is more likely townIn post 1563, Flavor Leaf wrote: My current solve is Kyouko, CW, and one of Hu Tao/Dragon.
Geraint could slide in there if they’re scum in place of one of them, but I’m pretty happy with the other slots.
Most of Kyouko’s posts today were a lot of IioA, and there were conclusions made directed towards HPE.
I just think HPE fits the bill of impressionable town (not in a bad way) and takes the time to consider the cases that get presented.
Feels like they’ve just been on too many of the wagons outwardly, and i don’t think scum do it like that that often.<Embrace The Void>
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Kyouko’s posting on page 36 is pretty bad<Embrace The Void>
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In post 908, Flavor Leaf wrote: Feels like Kyouko already knew that was there and is acting like they didn’t<Embrace The Void>
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There’s one player at this table I want to see weigh in on this more than mostIn post 912, Flavor Leaf wrote:In post 910, cw357 wrote:
explain?In post 908, Flavor Leaf wrote: Feels like Kyouko already knew that was there and is acting like they didn’t
pushed laplacian while maintaining distance yesterday in a very un-towny wayIn post 909, Hu Tao wrote: Can someone voting dragon explain that? I don't see it
pocket attempts
a lot of interactions stuff, if a dragon wagon actually becomes a big thing I could ISO
Basically i think Kyouko already knew that FBI soft was there, and is acting like they just found it to help push a narrative. It’s sussy baka if they knew about it in Day 1.<Embrace The Void>
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VOTE: cw357
Until I’m caught up, this vote will remain here.<Embrace The Void>
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HPE is town if CW is scum even outside of the logic I expect HPE to present or have presentedIn post 933, Flavor Leaf wrote: Pavowski, CW, HPE team is possible<Embrace The Void>
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You have good taste in moviesIn post 940, Pavowski wrote:
C'mon man. There are almost 40 pages of game. To quote Vincent Vega, right before he shot some dude in the face, you gotta have an opinionIn post 939, geraintm wrote: I've got nothing tonadd today from last night BTW<Embrace The Void>
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okay. Thought you were being a bit defensive of pav but that makes senseIn post 1599, Purplemango wrote:
Yea, kinda?In post 1555, Gamma Emerald wrote:In post 859, HighPrincessErinys wrote: done hanging with friend and going to call it for the night soon but could someone give me a name or two to go ISO and look at later? because this one has been doing the thing where it focuses on like one or two people at a time and what everyone else is saying kinda becomes white noise againIn post 860, DragonEater70 wrote: Pav and Hu TaoIn post 861, Purplemango wrote: Why pav is scum?@purpledid you think DE was calling pav scum, if so why?
he voted for him And was talking about him as scum
Don't think it's still the case tho<Embrace The Void>
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I feel like she’s so meta-minded that she wouldn’t let that last foreverIn post 960, DragonEater70 wrote: Alright I skimmed like 2-3 of Kyouko's town games and also 2-3 scum games of hers, and my conclusion is that Kyouko doesn't know how to powerwolf / fake-tunnel as scum. OTOH, there's at least one instance in her town games of being overly-insistent on a wrong scumread.
So I feel content with my read of her as town for now - at least until she does something which makes me question that read.<Embrace The Void>
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I don’t get how you landed on this splitIn post 989, Flavor Leaf wrote: Pavowski/cw and Hu Tao/DragonEater are an obv split.
If we fade in Hu Tao/DE, I’m vigging Pavowski if they flip town, and vice versa.<Embrace The Void>
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Why are you so averse to calling cw scum?In post 992, Flavor Leaf wrote: It’s possible it’s one of each, like a Pavowski/Hu Tao, but that’s hard to deal with anyways. But that also makes a lot of sense.<Embrace The Void>
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Well, not are, were<Embrace The Void>
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I can’t remember a game I was misvigged in, but I’ve played a lot of games. Maybe I’ll make a table like what kyouko posted earlier.In post 993, Pavowski wrote:
That'll be fun, I dunno if I've ever gotten shotIn post 989, Flavor Leaf wrote: Pavowski/cw and Hu Tao/DragonEater are an obv split.
If we fade in Hu Tao/DE, I’m vigging Pavowski if they flip town, and vice versa.
Don't think you'd have to, though<Embrace The Void>
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I don’t think DE is ever a good vig targetIn post 1000, Pavowski wrote: Rather you shoot Dragon if you flip me/CW today but you do you boo
Maybe somebody can change my mind over the coming days, tho
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yeah you picked up the same thing I didIn post 1003, Flavor Leaf wrote:
I can't. They softed some sort of BP esque role, and i dont wanna mess with the WIFOM of that. I'd rather shoot for a for sure kill. I can see a world where they faked it, but yeah, I'm not going to be vigging DE.In post 1000, Pavowski wrote: Rather you shoot Dragon if you flip me/CW today but you do you boo
Maybe somebody can change my mind over the coming days, tho
I'm re-voting Dragon tomorrow<Embrace The Void>
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You should really dial down the willingness to vote your townreads D1 imoIn post 1006, Flavor Leaf wrote: idk, that Lap wagon was really bad, and I knew it too. If I wasn't vig, i wouldnt have faded there, even with the vanilla claim.<Embrace The Void>
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can we please not openly throwIn post 1009, Flavor Leaf wrote: i also am contemplating being okay leaving CW alive as a future lesson of why that was the correct Day 1 misfade if they misvote as town for the loss or if they are scum, it was also the correct fade there.<Embrace The Void>
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Really wish you weren’t vig since seeing Hu Tao trying to read you would probably be enlightening on her alignment.In post 1022, Flavor Leaf wrote: Me knowing that Hu Tao could easily be trying to get me to town read them and avoid being vigged is one of the things keeping me from fully scum reading Pavowski, though. I also think it's possible it's a ScumPav, TownKyouko.<Embrace The Void>
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Ftr I would very likely be townreading you here if you weren’t vig. There’s a certain dynamicism to your reads that I think town!you does more.<Embrace The Void>
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Not in the cards rn. I’m reading D2 today, might read D1 over night phase or during D3In post 1638, Hu Tao wrote:
Um? Might want to read day 1 then.In post 1632, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Really wish you weren’t vig since seeing Hu Tao trying to read you would probably be enlightening on her alignment.In post 1022, Flavor Leaf wrote: Me knowing that Hu Tao could easily be trying to get me to town read them and avoid being vigged is one of the things keeping me from fully scum reading Pavowski, though. I also think it's possible it's a ScumPav, TownKyouko.<Embrace The Void>
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it's the anybody can get it dynamic, i feel.In post 1634, Gamma Emerald wrote: Ftr I would very likely be townreading you here if you weren’t vig. There’s a certain dynamicism to your reads that I think town!you does more.
it just clearly doesnt come from an informed player.<Embrace The Void>
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This is a scum mindsetIn post 1030, cw357 wrote:
I've made a case on HPE Kyouku and Hu Tao in the past,In post 1010, Flavor Leaf wrote: Pavowski, Kyouko, HPE, Hu Tao are my candidates that I'm okay with if we're not going CW.
UNVOTE: CWtbh if ur going to soft pr you should hard claim so I don't like dragon's situation, but I haven't read in any detail past posts, so disregard for all intents and purposes.
Pavowski for me has flown under the radar and I don't support a pavowski elim (he's been literally in my towncore) but if that's who everyone else wants to wagon onto its not like I have the ability nor the desire to prevent it
Letting VTs soft PR allows for scum to have to parse softs for their validity, this feels like a scum that doesn’t enjoy having to do that<Embrace The Void>
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It feels more to me like Gamma is going to get Kyouko killed atmIn post 1640, Flavor Leaf wrote: i get feelings of save kyouko energy.<Embrace The Void>
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This is sooooo bad after what I just pointed outIn post 1033, cw357 wrote:
lmfao are u just pr hunting now?In post 983, Hu Tao wrote: How terrible would a mass claim be right now. Because as of right now, I feel like if we don't get scum today or by vig shot, we lose effectively.
VOTE: Hu Tao (although I think I already did iirc)<Embrace The Void>
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I would be willing to vote kyouko once I’m caught up but most of my reading has led me to finding cw suspicious.In post 1648, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
It just seems like you're slowly leaning more and more towards voting KyoukoIn post 1647, Gamma Emerald wrote:
???In post 1643, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
It feels more to me like Gamma is going to get Kyouko killed atmIn post 1640, Flavor Leaf wrote: i get feelings of save kyouko energy.<Embrace The Void>
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This feels highly uncharacteristic of youIn post 1035, Flavor Leaf wrote: im not opposed to mass claim, but i think it's probs better tomorrow.<Embrace The Void>
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hmmmIn post 1083, DragonEater70 wrote: I'm not really defending cw, I just just want to kill Pav today. Do you disagree with the several posts I've made pointing out why he's scum?<Embrace The Void>
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I'm gonna locktown Hu TaoIn post 1113, Hu Tao wrote:
I think that cw is probably town but will vote wrong tomorrow so he needs to go. Still a small chance he flips scum so better now then later. Pav seems to be the one who does soft defenses of cw so I think he could be the scum that wants cw alive for tomorrow.In post 1094, Flavor Leaf wrote: Hu Tao, can you talk about the PV/CW - Hu Tao/DragonEater dynamics to me? What are your thoughts on the 4 of you, not necessarily your read, but your thoughts on the 2 v 2 as a general thing.
In terms of Dragon and me. Could dragon ve pocketing me? Idk, I don't think so. Last time I played with dragon scum he was obvious and I called it day 1. I don't see that here. I think it's weird cw tries to push that me and dragon are a pair and his read seems very surface level which is why I think there is a chance cw flips scum.
So that makes 4 I'm never voting - Purple, Flavor, Hu Tao and myself.
Where’d kyouko go?<Embrace The Void>
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vrejIn post 1121, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
I don't think cw is scum hereIn post 1053, Flavor Leaf wrote: I’m probably leaning Pavowski, CW, or Kyouko today.
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1 strong or 2 weak is more likelyIn post 1134, Hu Tao wrote: Since we have a cop and vig. I'm guessing scum have 2 strong pr as well. So it's possible there is a scum that is being bussed by their teammates.<Embrace The Void>
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I wasn’t before?In post 1657, Flavor Leaf wrote: alright alright, gamma starting to get where im at now<Embrace The Void>
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also I think in the case cw+kyouko are scum it makes more sense yo vote cw first because that feels like kyouko falling on the sword to preserve cw<Embrace The Void>
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In post 1139, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: I would agree though that if the strongest PR that has interaction with the town power comes under pressure, a goon will likely be sacrificed to save the scum PR
kyouko openly posting the scum agenda in the main thread<Embrace The Void>
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In post 1159, Hu Tao wrote: I've played 1 game with Thom before. I fooled them when I was scum. So I'd keep them alive again if I was scum tbh.<Embrace The Void>
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