Large Normal 246: Game Over

[Hu Tao]

I'll finish my reads list later today

[Hu Tao]

I didn't realize there were only 3 days remaining. I'm fine with roden ir elements but we should decide on one.

[Hu Tao]

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I was just wondering how they would be summoned from a pt unless they were already on the site and probably following along

What's a pt?

Is this a townslip?

No

[Hu Tao]

Guillotine, we all have to make choices in life. This is the moment you'll be remembered for in this game. Where you join obvious Hu Taown in winning this game OR help scum win this game.

Which do you choose?

[Hu Tao]

I guess we go roden.

VOTE: Roden

[Hu Tao]

I seem to recall somebody asking why Elements was being voted. It doesn't seem like anybody was able to give a response to that.

I quoted the reasons why. I think they have scum equity with gamma

[Hu Tao]

This slot is fucked from the replacements and I don't want to try hard here, especially since there was really shitty angle shooting about the reasons the previous player in my slot replaced out before I could even get a footing in this game.


I'm a Doctor, I have a modifier that's anti-town to claim and you'll see why when I get killed. That's why I'm hard pushing Hu Tao, and I would've done so even if the Rolecop hadn't checked her.

Sus. Everyone's a doctor these days.

[Hu Tao]

I am okay with myself gone...

Your predecessor claimed Miller btw, can you confirm?

Yea I can confirm. Me and Kyouko are the millers.

?

Or was this a joke I'm not getting

[Hu Tao]

Hu Taown strikes again

[Hu Tao]

This slot is fucked from the replacements and I don't want to try hard here, especially since there was really shitty angle shooting about the reasons the previous player in my slot replaced out before I could even get a footing in this game.


I'm a Doctor, I have a modifier that's anti-town to claim and you'll see why when I get killed. That's why I'm hard pushing Hu Tao, and I would've done so even if the Rolecop hadn't checked her.

Sus. Everyone's a doctor these days.

I am getting tired of you bsing around

What exactly did I do?

[Hu Tao]

Green and Hu are red team, green is pushing to lim you into me for two mislims

Is there actually 2 scum teams?

[Hu Tao]

Limming elements and copping roden still solves this

What if Cele dies. And roden claims he was roleblocked?

[Hu Tao]

What the fuck is this game?

I counterclaim Roden, im the doctor.

I also may or may not counterclaim Broc

but i now believe Roden is scum

Because:

1) He is a frozen slot.
2) He is claiming my role and there is no way there are two doctors.
3) He claimed full doctor and it does not make sense given the modifier i have.
4) He claimed his target, doctors dont do that.
(Also Dunn is scummy for asking an alleged doctor for their target, could be distancing.)
5) He claimed to have protected a miller claim, what town doctor does that?
6) The pattern i found in his slot.
7) The way gob tried to rolefish me yesterday.

It goes without saying i will not claim whom i protected last night but let's gooooo!

VOTE: Roden

Looks like we are all doctors this game?

[Hu Tao]

Man I wish I was a Paranoid Gun Owner in this game, that would be so awesome.

Same

[Hu Tao]

I kinda think that Naerys is town now BTW. I don't think she'd protect Roden there as scum teammate.

[Hu Tao]

Scum, your biggest mistake was not killing me. It led you down this snowball.

[Hu Tao]

Guillotina, did you protect Celebloki?

I'm thinking he wasn't actually a doctor. Roden was kind of just clear scum. If I wasn't confirmed vanilla I'd have cc too.

[Hu Tao]

I forgot roden was a role blocking type. I'm not sure then. Guess we will see when they talk.

[Hu Tao]

I'm still very fine with an elements vote out today. But I do want everyone to talk.

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao (E-7): Hu Taown
Elements (E-7): Scummy
Dunnstral (E-7): Towny
Broccoli Quest 2 (E-7): Towny
Enchant (E-7): ?
ssbm_Kyouko (E-7): Towny
TimmerRC (E-7): ?
Andresvmb (E-7): ?
Naerys (E-7): Prob town
davesaz (E-7): ?
Guillotina (E-7): Want to Town read but not sure.
Random Nurse (E-7): ?

I think as long as we vote in the questionables we win.

[Hu Tao]

I saw doc crumbs too.
Role cop being killed either points to Miller or is meant to make us think that.

I think it was the safest kill. imo. Based on all the doc nonsense that has gone on.

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao (E-7): Hu Taown
Elements (E-7): Scummy
Dunnstral (E-7): Towny
Broccoli Quest 2 (E-7): Towny
Enchant (E-7): ?
ssbm_Kyouko (E-7): Towny
TimmerRC (E-7): ?
Andresvmb (E-7): ?
Naerys (E-7): Prob town
davesaz (E-7): ?
Guillotina (E-7): Want to Town read but not sure.
Random Nurse (E-7): ?

I think as long as we vote in the questionables we win.

Do you disagree that Elements is pretty unpaired with Roden?

I'm unsure now. But I think that isn't impossible for partners to make.

[Hu Tao]

Roden - Frozen slot

Nailed it!

Are you ready to admit I'm town? That's the one that matters

[Hu Tao]

Hmmmmmm

[Hu Tao]

Hopefully that person is someone I don't Town read already

Pedit: Naur

[Hu Tao]

Why would you target him though? He claimed doc and was very likely to die

[Hu Tao]

Guillotina, did you protect Celebloki?

No, it was impossible for me to protect Cele again.

Also. Full claim 2-shot Indecisive Doctor, i protected Celebloki on night 1 and Broc last night.

I also received a mod message that someone is town aligned, i will not disclose this info until they decide to claim.

Glad you got the message.

I claim 1-shot Friendly Neighbor.

WHY did you claim??? Both of you

That is SUCH a waste when Guillo was TR'd anyway and I woud never let Naerys lim go through

Yeah that was not needed.

[Hu Tao]

There should only be 1 goon.

[Hu Tao]

Guillotina, did you protect Celebloki?

No, it was impossible for me to protect Cele again.

Also. Full claim 2-shot Indecisive Doctor, i protected Celebloki on night 1 and Broc last night.

I also received a mod message that someone is town aligned, i will not disclose this info until they decide to claim.

Glad you got the message.

I claim 1-shot Friendly Neighbor.

I got a friendly neighbor message from a different player this night.

[Hu Tao]

We should wait for everyone to check in. Whoever was the friendly neighbor to Dunn just claim

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao (E-7): Scummy
Elements (E-7): Spewed town from both Gamma and Rode
Dunnstral (E-7): Towny
Broccoli Quest 2 (E-7): Spewed town from both Gamma and Rode
Enchant (E-7): Null
ssbm_Kyouko (E-7): Spewed town from Gamma
TimmerRC (E-7): Cant remember
Andresvmb (E-7): Towny
Naerys (E-7): Confirmed Town
davesaz (E-7): Cant remember
Guillotina (E-7): Town
Random Nurse (E-7): Spewed town from Gamma

You can't be serious

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao (E-7): Scummy
Elements (E-7): Spewed town from both Gamma and Rode
Dunnstral (E-7): Towny
Broccoli Quest 2 (E-7): Spewed town from both Gamma and Rode
Enchant (E-7): Null
ssbm_Kyouko (E-7): Spewed town from Gamma
TimmerRC (E-7): Cant remember
Andresvmb (E-7): Towny
Naerys (E-7): Confirmed Town
davesaz (E-7): Cant remember
Guillotina (E-7): Town
Random Nurse (E-7): Spewed town from Gamma

Do you think the way Roden pushed Hu Tao was just scum bussing?

No, i just cant let go of the fact they tried to make me CC on day 1. I will never forget it.

I understand that but they did exactly that in a past town game.

I dont care. Maybe you guys let people get away with that instead of policying the slot so they stop, but i dont. If Hu is town and we reach lylo we already lost this game because i cant forget that.

Okay we will vote you out before then. Good to know

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao (E-7): Scummy
Elements (E-7): Spewed town from both Gamma and Rode
Dunnstral (E-7): Towny
Broccoli Quest 2 (E-7): Spewed town from both Gamma and Rode
Enchant (E-7): Null
ssbm_Kyouko (E-7): Spewed town from Gamma
TimmerRC (E-7): Cant remember
Andresvmb (E-7): Towny
Naerys (E-7): Confirmed Town
davesaz (E-7): Cant remember
Guillotina (E-7): Town
Random Nurse (E-7): Spewed town from Gamma

Do you think the way Roden pushed Hu Tao was just scum bussing?

No, i just cant let go of the fact they tried to make me CC on day 1. I will never forget it.

I understand that but they did exactly that in a past town game.

I dont care. Maybe you guys let people get away with that instead of policying the slot so they stop, but i dont. If Hu is town and we reach lylo we already lost this game because i cant forget that.

I actually think we always lim Hu Tao the day before ELo unless we have a guilty on someone else or something

You just lost town status from me

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Andres

Bad vote. Are you actually scum??? Don't make me 2nd guess myself

[Hu Tao]

Also fwiw I can see this "kind" of setup being a thing - the FNs, Millers, and a rolecop to confirm things without flipping - the Complex Alien fits with Millers - it would be able to stop FN messages going to Millers or stop the FN from sending a message out.

Hider Babysitter could just have been negative util for the town where more often than not it results in a double kill on town.

Maybe mafia has a traffic analyst to try to find FNs? I think that's how that interaction works. It would definitely spot a Messenger.

I believe Andres and timmy right now just based off tone alone.

[Hu Tao]

Ouch, my explaining in Eng can be so painful sometimes.

I feel this. Me too

[Hu Tao]

Good news is you can't all 4 be scum - due to the way FN works we should be killing Guillo or Dunn if we think Naerys or Andres are possibly lying, but I think both FNs are legit

I would agree. Worst out of those is guilo

[Hu Tao]

I think Enchant or Elements is the best vote today. But we should wait for enchant to check in at least.

[Hu Tao]

I forgot about random nurse. I could see RN and Enchant as last 2 but. I'm not sure.

[Hu Tao]

Actually I remember when key was forced to claim it seemed more natural. I think I'd prefer RN today.

[Hu Tao]

Dunn has been town since post 1. Don't see myself voting there.

[Hu Tao]

I've done that before too

[Hu Tao]

Okay. So is guillotine just scum? I'm not sure what's happening here.

[Hu Tao]

Anyone again RN being the vote today? After they check in

[Hu Tao]

Against*

[Hu Tao]

Anyone again RN being the vote today? After they check in

I am due to their interaction with Gamma I quoted in 2345

Hmmmm. Okay I can see this

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao (E-7): Scummy
Elements (E-7): Spewed town from both Gamma and Rode
Dunnstral (E-7): Towny
Broccoli Quest 2 (E-7): Spewed town from both Gamma and Rode
Enchant (E-7): Null
ssbm_Kyouko (E-7): Spewed town from Gamma
TimmerRC (E-7): Cant remember
Andresvmb (E-7): Towny
Naerys (E-7): Confirmed Town
davesaz (E-7): Cant remember
Guillotina (E-7): Town
Random Nurse (E-7): Spewed town from Gamma

Do you think the way Roden pushed Hu Tao was just scum bussing?

No, i just cant let go of the fact they tried to make me CC on day 1. I will never forget it.

I understand that but they did exactly that in a past town game.

I dont care. Maybe you guys let people get away with that instead of policying the slot so they stop, but i dont. If Hu is town and we reach lylo we already lost this game because i cant forget that.

I actually think we always lim Hu Tao the day before ELo unless we have a guilty on someone else or something

You just lost town status from me

Maybe I was rash to townbin you then

I won't let you bully me into having a read.

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Andres

Bad vote. Are you actually scum??? Don't make me 2nd guess myself

Hu you already did this exact trick in Love Child, why do you think it will work here lol

I say the same things as scum and town. But its how I felt in the moment. Andres was towny

[Hu Tao]

Can everyone stop scum siding for Obi Wan Kenobi's sake?

We are limming in Enchant/Timmer today, and that's all. Guillo is town. Dunn is town. The FNs are town. Nurse is town until we run out of PoE or get a guilty.

okay I'm fine with enchant

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Enchant

[Hu Tao]

So, Celebloki did not lie about his claim on Hu Tao.

Let's flip Hu Tao.

Good luck. Let me know how that goes

[Hu Tao]

I'm a "Macho Combined Bodyguard Disloyal Vigilante."

Um. So why would we have 3 protectives?

[Hu Tao]

So you die if you protect mafia member? Meh.


Targets?

Haven't used it yet because I didn't understand it.

If I target Town do I and then due? It if I target Scum?

I can't be protected so do I figured I'd claim it and then Town can discuss how to best use it.

....

[Hu Tao]

You could have just asked mod to clarify till you understood. Well either way say your target before we vote enchant today.

[Hu Tao]

Okay target Timmer imo. Enough people tr me that it'll be a waste.

[Hu Tao]

Town does seem very strong right now. I guess it can be swingy with Black's role but I'm not sure.

[Hu Tao]

I think we can vote enchant now

[Hu Tao]

I prefer enchant now.

[Hu Tao]

I'm voting already. Idk the vote count

[Hu Tao]

I should be nowhere in that list

[Hu Tao]

There is a world where guillotine and Naerys are scum together. Scum has a role cop and they knew about the 1 shot friendly neighbor. But I think no need to worry about that for now.

[Hu Tao]

Something doesn't sit right with broccoli thinking I could be scum still. With how strong town is so far, you think there is another goon?

[Hu Tao]

So many pr claims are suspicious. I'm not even sure we vote in VTs now

[Hu Tao]

You could be scum doing that. You're acting like scum doesn't defend town. Anyway I clearly said we probably shouldn't vote in the VTs and you claimed VT

[Hu Tao]

I'm just trying to tell you. It makes 0 sense for me to be scum here for multiple reasons.

[Hu Tao]

I agree town seems very strong. It's possible that scum remaining roles could be strong too though.

[Hu Tao]

I'm still thinking guillotine and naerys scum together. But ummm. I'm not sure if we should do that. I think RN should visit a pr but he won't listen to me

[Hu Tao]

I also think rn is sus. Since who doesn't use a role like that right away?

[Hu Tao]

Neither is as complex as the other town roles claimed. And they are tied together at this point.

[Hu Tao]

Like Andres Friendly neighbor is complex and Naerys is not

[Hu Tao]

Why would naerys friendly neighbor the doctor claim after waiting days to do so.

[Hu Tao]

Enchant makes sense. And I also like I said earlier thought key was genuine who enchant replaced.

[Hu Tao]

Sorry I can't English sometimes. I think what Enchant is saying makes sense. I also stated that Key when they claimed sounded very genuine, and not a scummy claim.

[Hu Tao]

UNVOTE:

[Hu Tao]

I think there are so many PRs that it doesn't make sense for them to all be town. Which is why I started saying maybe don't vote in VT

[Hu Tao]

What's that

[Hu Tao]

Okay enchant is probably town then. I can confirm that when I was a neighbor in another game, enchant said nothing in the neighborhood when he was town too. So I believe him when he says he wouldn't talk.

[Hu Tao]

I'm already confirmed vanilla by Cele, so I don't think I should be checked by Dave right? Dave should try to neighbor Elements.

[Hu Tao]

Okay enchant is probably town then. I can confirm that when I was a neighbor in another game, enchant said nothing in the neighborhood when he was town too. So I believe him when he says he wouldn't talk.

That's untrue, i mocked genshin impact in that game

[Hu Tao]

Enchant is a secret genshin player. He knows so much about the game

[Hu Tao]

So who should check who so we are all clear and everyone should confirm

[Hu Tao]

Why there's even theory that mafia can't contain two goons.

That's fallacy i also followed in that multiball shit where all mafia was goons, and i build idiotic theories than teams must be 2PR 1G.

Look how many pr there are. No way there is another goon

[Hu Tao]

Why there's even theory that mafia can't contain two goons.

That's fallacy i also followed in that multiball shit where all mafia was goons, and i build idiotic theories than teams must be 2PR 1G.

Look how many pr there are. No way there is another goon

This makes me want to SR you again.

L + Ratio

[Hu Tao]

So true besties

[Hu Tao]

I think I have to lock-in and declare exactly who I'm targeting tonight otherwise Scum will take advantage of the lack of clarity. For now I will be targeting Hu Tao: if HT is Scum I'll die, if Town we both live (?).

Read Kyouko's message. Do you agree or no

[Hu Tao]

We need Dave alive. RN can you please target Dave

[Hu Tao]

Do you not see how Dave is important to winning the game

[Hu Tao]

[Hu Tao]

How convenient

[Hu Tao]

How convenient

Does it burn you inside?

You're funny

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao doesn't want to be checked. Okay.

VOTE: Hu Tao

I'm getting this sense as well.

Your tunnel is possibly going to make us lose. As long as you're okay with that, then do whatever you want

[Hu Tao]

I can see a universe of enchant+ nurse scum tbh

I don't see it

[Hu Tao]

I can see a universe of enchant+ nurse scum tbh

Literally every other pairing, and that includes Dunn/Kyo or me/Guillo, is more likely than RN and Enchant, Since that apiring has 0% to happen.

[Hu Tao]

Hey, Naerysing is MY word! VOTE: Naerys

This isn't the optimal play even though I think it's possible

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao doesn't want to be checked. Okay.

VOTE: Hu Tao

I'm getting this sense as well.

Your tunnel is possibly going to make us lose. As long as you're okay with that, then do whatever you want

Don't be a diva Hu Hu.

I'm not. It's true. You're going against the optimal play based on what you think is right, which is fine. But it's not optimal is all I'm saying

[Hu Tao]

Okay~

[Hu Tao]

And just as an apology, it's my own fault, I picked a stupid time to try to play, I'm prepping Christmas for the fam, I'm in the process of setting up a Mycology lab for my region, and honestly the output on this site is just too much for me even without that, so I'll likely not sign up for another. Thanks again!

Damn. This is probably town.

[Hu Tao]

Why

[Hu Tao]

Maybe elements or naerys guillotine. Not sure why that matters. I'll be clear tomorrow anyway. Even though I'm 99% always town already

[Hu Tao]

My first order of business will be voting you out broccoli

[Hu Tao]

TBH Hu Tao, this incessant talk about voting me and sussing me doesn't feel like you are trying to sort me at all, it just feels like you don't want me around to push you. Is this a correct assessment?

Yes you caught me

[Hu Tao]

I don't think that post comes from Scum

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Elements

I'm going back to my original day 1 read. Gamma and elements paired

[Hu Tao]

I'll be clear tomorrow. Why does that matter?

[Hu Tao]

I also don't see Timmer coming in to stop this from happening, I think we just need to give dave and RN time to post anything they have on their minds in case

something happens

toNight

I'm totally okay with this, I'm not helping town in any way, I'm so far over my head and it's obvious. I am a VT, so you aren't losing much, hopefully things will somehow become clearer after the night phase!

Thanks for the game, guys, I'm sorry I couldn't keep up.

And just as an apology, it's my own fault, I picked a stupid time to try to play, I'm prepping Christmas for the fam, I'm in the process of setting up a Mycology lab for my region, and honestly the output on this site is just too much for me even without that, so I'll likely not sign up for another. Thanks again!

This just doesn't come from scum. This is a new player feeling genuinely sorry for not helping.

[Hu Tao]

I'd go as far as say Timmer is my #1 town read now.

[Hu Tao]

So why can't we go element's today? I'm very against Timmer vote now

[Hu Tao]

Okay I looked at Timmer's previous game and he said this.

Forgive my ignorance, what is AtE?

Appeal to Emotion

Ahh... I will work to tone it down, but I AM an emotional guy and I get quite passionate about things once I invest in them. this will be a fluff thing to say, but a common tell years ago when I was bad was that I was unemotional because I struggled to fake it.

I highly doubt he would say what he said as scum. Also in this game he also asked a lot if questions. He's just a new player that's curious and plays emotional. I'm lock towning Timmer.

If you must, vote him over me but NEVER vote Timmer this game if you do. I'm willing to agree to this since others seem to scumread me anyway (even though there are multiple ways I'm never scum this game)

[Hu Tao]

He was town that game obviously

[Hu Tao]

Okay I looked at Timmer's previous game and he said this.

Forgive my ignorance, what is AtE?

Appeal to Emotion

Ahh... I will work to tone it down, but I AM an emotional guy and I get quite passionate about things once I invest in them. this will be a fluff thing to say, but a common tell years ago when I was bad was that I was unemotional because I struggled to fake it.

I highly doubt he would say what he said as scum. Also in this game he also asked a lot if questions. He's just a new player that's curious and plays emotional. I'm lock towning Timmer.

If you must, vote him over me but NEVER vote Timmer this game if you do. I'm willing to agree to this since others seem to scumread me anyway (even though there are multiple ways I'm never scum this game)

Vote me over him*

[Hu Tao]

I still think elements is the best vote here. Enchant would have to be goon to be scum and I don't see it. Unless him and Dave are paired and I don't know about that at the moment.

[Hu Tao]

I'm starting to wonder like could the N1 double kill have been a 3p and we misinterpreted it - for example Roden Aliens <someone>, Black babysits/hides on <someone> (same person as Roden) - could be Black was killed by mafia and Gamma killed by SK

I doubt it? But I guess it's possible. Would sk show up as vanilla? And why would there be no 2 kills last night?

[Hu Tao]

Okay I looked at Timmer's previous game and he said this.

Forgive my ignorance, what is AtE?

Appeal to Emotion

Ahh... I will work to tone it down, but I AM an emotional guy and I get quite passionate about things once I invest in them. this will be a fluff thing to say,

but a common tell years ago when I was bad was that I was unemotional because I struggled to fake it.

I highly doubt he would say what he said as scum. Also in this game he also asked a lot if questions. He's just a new player that's curious and plays emotional. I'm lock towning Timmer.

If you must, vote him over me but NEVER vote Timmer this game if you do. I'm willing to agree to this since others seem to scumread me anyway (even though there are multiple ways I'm never scum this game)

To me the bold reads as if he thinks he's fixed this problem - he's talking fully in past tense here as if he doesn't struggle with it anymore, is he not?

Yes but it shows its how he usually plays, I don't think he was faking the townslips. Also I think based on how he plays he's not the type of person to fake an apology like that. I just have hard gut read of town read and would never vote Timmer here. Can you vote element's?

[Hu Tao]

Gamma you've still got your rvs vote on me, why?

This seems a bit overly defensive. In a weird way, I could see this be teammate talk. But not too strong of a read right now

This was my original reason for them being paired

[Hu Tao]

In that case I suppose it doesn't matter. I won't look clear.

[Hu Tao]

Random why do you even think I'm scum? Cause I claimed doctor?

[Hu Tao]

Well your instincts are instinks this game. So try to reevaluate without the tunnel in mind.

[Hu Tao]

Well. Okay, done trying. Either I'm cleared or you die tonight from scum kill. So either way I have one less tunneler.

[Hu Tao]

Can we get a list of all actions being taken so no one can claim they had no idea what they were supposed to do tomorrow.

[Hu Tao]

If I were to claim that I have 2-3 targets (Hu Tao being one of them) would that make things more difficult for Scum or nah?

I imagine Scum will target me for the NK no matter what I decide. At this point I don't really know who's who but gut keeps screaming to target Hu. If I understand the role clearly if I target Hu and don't die then I basically clear Hu as Town?

I think just choose 1 person. Less confusing for us if you die

[Hu Tao]

I'm kinda surprised I haven't been prodded but I guess it makes sense with Jingle's mod note on holidays and stuff. This post is half a prod dodge and half a thought spew.

First of all I saw Kyouko theorizing about SK, and while it's not impossible I don't really see a point talking about it right now? K.

I am kinda fine with going any of the VTs today because I have strong reasons to townread the non-VTs, and I think Trimmer has like 40% to flip scum, and the other three have like 20% to flip scum (btw with 2 scum and 12 living players fmpov random lim hits scum like 18% of the time, NOT 25% like at game start). BUT I am not really sold on any of them being scum and definitely not sold on two of them being scum.

I also don't really TR Naerys or Andres from play and would have been okay with limming them, but I

DO

townread Guillo and Dunn heavily and don't think they are scum. So these were very good FN targets

I am also slightly sus about the 2 FNs but I could definitely see myself making a setup eith two of the same role but different gating, so maybe they are legit.

Honestly I really dunno who we should vote but I'm fine just sheeping Kyouko on whoever she chooses (except Nurse). Maybe it is just Trimmer.

Timmer is town. Go Elements

[Hu Tao]

Nurse and Broccoli can you hammer elements so we can end day

[Hu Tao]

No. But those were the ones posting recently. Anyone hammer please

[Hu Tao]

At this point we just need info I agree.

[Hu Tao]

By play I feel the scum team has to be Timmer/Hu Tao

By mech I am actually lost. I guess one of davesaz/RN makes most sense as scum?

I dunno. Anybody has any insight?

What are these reads.....

[Hu Tao]

This game had stalled to hell's pace

[Hu Tao]

You're leaving out a VT claim, though it's understandable that you would.

[Hu Tao]

Broccoli wants me voted out when I'm the confirmed Vanilla. And about to be potentially cleared tonight.

[Hu Tao]

No. Please end our suffering. Give us the night for Christmas

[Hu Tao]

We've talked about the same thing over and over again. There is no use stalling. Except people losing interest in the game.

[Hu Tao]

Thank you for your service. Random Nurse you said you'd be on me. So be on me tonight, if not say so before day end.

[Hu Tao]

OK so I might target Naerys instead.

bruh.. please confirm who you are targeting.

[Hu Tao]

I'm just glad the day ended

[Hu Tao]

Now where is the mod

[Hu Tao]

That's actually the kill I least expected?

[Hu Tao]

Okay. Am I actually confirmed town now? At least fron RN's pov. Everyone should out results or w.e

[Hu Tao]

I'm kinda confused why Andres died here.

[Hu Tao]

I still think Timmer is town here.

[Hu Tao]

Why not enchant?

[Hu Tao]

RN if you are not gonna target Dave, target one of the miller claims please.

I think trying to change the plan at the last second causes confusion and is scummy.

Yah? RN said he was gonna target Naerys and I said it is useless as she confirmed herself to me, I actually suggested he stayed on course by targeting Dave and if he was not gonna do it then to target the millers aka you or Kyouko. So?

I said I MIGHT, not that I WAS.

I did mention possibly targeting Naerys to instill some doubt into Scum.

I did target Hu Tao.

I'm not 100% convinced because there could have been interference by a Scum PR.

The scum role blocker is dead. What more do you want.

[Hu Tao]

I just don't think the scum is in the VT claims. Its definitely in the pr claims. How many VTs do we have so far total?

[Hu Tao]

No message

[Hu Tao]

I do think mafia could have a backup alien. Maybe neither of the power roles threaten mafia because they can roleblock Random Nurse and a mafia goon did not lie about being a PR for Davesaz' role.

Do you scumread Hu Tao though?

I will always suspect the role claim shenanigans they pulled this game

I'm pretty much confirmed town. Please stop with this, it adds nothing. What do you think of the other slots? Anyone you see as a pair?

[Hu Tao]

Guillotine and naerys

[Hu Tao]

I do think mafia could have a backup alien. Maybe neither of the power roles threaten mafia because they can roleblock Random Nurse and a mafia goon did not lie about being a PR for Davesaz' role.

Do you scumread Hu Tao though?

I will always suspect the role claim shenanigans they pulled this game

I'm pretty much confirmed town. Please stop with this, it adds nothing. What do you think of the other slots? Anyone you see as a pair?

Gut does not like this response.

I'm sorry but your gut has nothing to do with this when you have an action that confirms me as town.

[Hu Tao]

Maybe RN is scum. Because that makes 0 sense.

[Hu Tao]

I do think mafia could have a backup alien. Maybe neither of the power roles threaten mafia because they can roleblock Random Nurse and a mafia goon did not lie about being a PR for Davesaz' role.

Do you scumread Hu Tao though?

I will always suspect the role claim shenanigans they pulled this game

I'm pretty much confirmed town. Please stop with this, it adds nothing. What do you think of the other slots? Anyone you see as a pair?

Gut does not like this response.

Too bad for you, Hu Tao is my Savior target for today so we're not voting her.

Maybe RN is scum. Because that makes 0 sense.

Nope. You should stop scumreading anyone who scumreads you.

It's not that. It just doesn't make sense for town to think that way.

[Hu Tao]

The lim today is Trimmer, thank you.

I still think this is town and we are just going for the easy Elim which gives no info.

[Hu Tao]

How many VTs do we have in this game that re alive and dead?

[Hu Tao]

My struggle is this.

People are talking about shortlists of people to lim based on "mechanical clears". I don't know what that means. I don't know HOW to fight against that concept because I don't even know what it means.

People talk about how so n so played a certain way in a game in the past thus they are town, or scum, and it means nothing to me so I don't know how to use that.

People are blindly making plans on night actions with people who are almost certainly at least somewhere lying and fudging their results, but everyone seems ok to trust and plan, and that's bewildering to me.

I lost track of the game and these issues just crushed my ability to play, and now all of this mechanical stuff means I am getting limmed, so yes, I threw in the towel the other day. But I would be willing to try to participate now that I have time, but I have no idea what I can say that would fight against this idea of limming me. What can I say against it?

This is 1000% town.

[Hu Tao]

This is not a game for a newbie, and even when I ask an effing question, I get told I'm feigning being town and making my questions up. So there's literally nowhere for me to go.

I agree it's not a game for a newbie. I am not really sure why you signed up for it considering it's clearly tagged as mechanically complex.

Still, let me help you. Mechanical clear means that the mechanics of the game (i.e power roles) cleared a person. A person who is investigated inno by a cop is a mech clear. A person who is an un'cced PR in an open game with said PR is a mechanical clear.

No one in this game is actually a public mechanical clear, but Naerys (who claimed Friendly Neighbor on Guillotina) is a mechanical clear in the eyes of Guillotina, and since I think Guillotine is town then I also consider Naerys a mechanical clear. Hu Tao is a mechanical clear IF there is no roleblocker / rolestopper, due to how RN's role works (ssbm_Kyouko explained it earlier).

You seriously think this person is scum? Can we please try something else?

[Hu Tao]

This is not a game for a newbie, and even when I ask an effing question, I get told I'm feigning being town and making my questions up. So there's literally nowhere for me to go.

I agree it's not a game for a newbie. I am not really sure why you signed up for it considering it's clearly tagged as mechanically complex.

Still, let me help you. Mechanical clear means that the mechanics of the game (i.e power roles) cleared a person. A person who is investigated inno by a cop is a mech clear. A person who is an un'cced PR in an open game with said PR is a mechanical clear.

No one in this game is actually a public mechanical clear, but Naerys (who claimed Friendly Neighbor on Guillotina) is a mechanical clear in the eyes of Guillotina, and since I think Guillotine is town then I also consider Naerys a mechanical clear. Hu Tao is a mechanical clear IF there is no roleblocker / rolestopper, due to how RN's role works (ssbm_Kyouko explained it earlier).

You seriously think this person is scum? Can we please try something else?

If I'm 100% honest, I don't have amazing reasons to think Timmer is scum. But I do have pretty good reasons for almost everyone else to be town so I am kind of at a loss here

Do you wanna wagon Dunn (or Kyo even) and see what happens?

No. I think those 2 are town. I'd be more for enchant but I'm not even sure if why of the VT are scum here

[Hu Tao]

Also how likely is it really that vanilla Hu Tao fakeclaims Guillo's exact modifiers? Complex Indecisive, minus the 2-shot? If I were in town!Guillo's shoes I would think Hu Tao's claim must be coming from an Informed role

This is why I think guilo is scum too. I think this is the best vote.

VOTE: guillotine

[Hu Tao]

I think some of you underestimate the clueless and helpless behavior of Timmer. Admittedly this game is very hard for newbies, so he could be just town. But he also could be scum taking advantage of reactions like Hu Taos "This is 1000% town"
I think the better lim for today is Timmer. With Guillo perhaps being sorted at night by Nurse.

I think on tone he's town. And I don't like the attitude of just voting someone because they don't understand or not trying. That's an easy way out. Sometimes you need to read between the lines.

[Hu Tao]

Also how likely is it really that vanilla Hu Tao fakeclaims Guillo's exact modifiers? Complex Indecisive, minus the 2-shot? If I were in town!Guillo's shoes I would think Hu Tao's claim must be coming from an Informed role

Guillotina, did you protect Celebloki?

No, it was impossible for me to protect Cele again.

Also. Full claim 2-shot Indecisive Doctor, i protected Celebloki on night 1 and Broc last night.

I also received a mod message that someone is town aligned, i will not disclose this info until they decide to claim.

I am a complex indecisive doctor. That sounds about right

Hold on. Let me look at my role pm

The only similarity here is the Indecisive.

Anyway, I don't have any motivation to try and find scum among the people I TR before we either get rid of Timmer or he actually starts to solve.

Voting someone just because they can't solve doesn't seem like the play.

[Hu Tao]

Can we unvote Timmer? Since he's being replaced now.

[Hu Tao]

Can we unvote Timmer? Since he's being replaced now.

Why should replacing out make us unvote them?

Because the slot is town anyway. And if we get a good replacement hopefully they are able to obvtown

[Hu Tao]

Dunnstral hanging out in the periphery just within eyesight is annoying me.

You've done much worse this game lad. Posted nothing of value for ~6 days and then asked what the rush was while the game was stalled.

As Town I don't HAVE to be active. Me feeling you're in the periphery just within eyesight is my opinion, and my activity level has no bearing giving that opinion. Also we had well over a week left so we COULD have made use of that time instead of rushing with that mis-lim.

If you're Scum be VERY careful how you rerspond to me.

RN I think you get voted off before Dunn does this game tbh

[Hu Tao]

Guillotina performing a gambit by ccing their partner is not impossible, but I don't have a problem with Celebloki dying if we consider that both davesaz and Random Nurse being left alive likely indicates mafia have more blocking power

I think all scum are in enchant/RN/Guillotine/Naerys.

I can see it being Enchant and Guillotine

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Kyouko

I don't believe this person believe in their push on me.

Kyouko is probably my biggest townread

[Hu Tao]

I forgot about Dave. I guess him too. But I'll think about that tomorrow

[Hu Tao]

Hi Jackson~ Take your time

[Hu Tao]

I think you make a good point. It could be Dave and enchant. I don't think it's broccoli

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: enchant

I'm not sure

[Hu Tao]

Let's just wait for mod confirmation

[Hu Tao]

Can we prod the mod?

[Hu Tao]

I'm not voting Dunn or kyouko

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: guillotina

[Hu Tao]

I'm not voting Dunn or kyouko

Why?

Town by posts alone

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: JV

Pretty sure I was already voting, but just emphasizing my vote

If you are right that this flips town then I am pretty sure that Dunn is just coasting scum

But I don't think JV is town. They are feeling detached / low effort here, which I do not think is in line with their town game, but is in line with their scum game. Timmer wasn't really towny either. It's an obvscum slot and limming Guillo is just stupid.

I think JV's flips cracks the game open (since rn we can all agree it's pretty stagnant and also deadlocked), whereas Guillo flip adds nothing except getting Naerys nightkilled. Which is bad because we want scum to be forced to kill in PoE.

Stop trying to vote out town

[Hu Tao]

Going to shrug and vote Enchant as a compromise

VOTE: Enchant

This is slow. Let's ignore the neighbor thing I guess. I still think mafia is likely between enchant and JacksonVirgo based on neither of those slots having been voting for Roden. Both have since had replacements so not much to talk about in terms of defense on their parts.

Maybe Dunn is just scum

VOTE: Dunn

If I wasn't townreading you on tone, you'd be scum here.

[Hu Tao]

Dunn is literally town. Don't vote Dunn. That's the 2nd worst vote here.

[Hu Tao]

I think it's enchant and guillotine.

[Hu Tao]

I think we'd eventually have to vote naerys if enchant isn't scum

[Hu Tao]

I won't be voting this. I still think guillotine gives us the most information today.

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao, you should learn from Flavor. If you think JV is town but want to get Guillo, just vote out JV today, show me that I was wrong, and I will 100% vote Guillo with you tomorrow.

No. That's just wasting an elimination. Guilo being town flip confirms Naerys as town. Guilo being a scum flip gets us 1 scum down. They are the best vote

[Hu Tao]

WE DON'T NEED TO CONFIRM NAERYS

NAERYS IS OBVTOWN

Can we PLEASE kill JV instead?

I'm literally telling you that no matter what JV flips, I'll sheep you tomorrow. And if I sheep you, whoever you vote will be eliminated. 100% guaranteed.

Naur

[Hu Tao]

If I'm wrong on timmer/Jackson I will apologize. But I just don't see it.

[Hu Tao]

Naur

???

It means no

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: jv

Okay whatever

[Hu Tao]

This game has been slow I agree

[Hu Tao]

2 deaths means that RN targeted scum

I'll target Guillotina. Or Dunnstral. Probably Guillotina.

VOTE:

Guillotina

Sorry Hu Tao, but as you can see things are easier now.

I mean. We could have just voted him out yesterday

[Hu Tao]

Before we vote out prince. Let's make sure we have everything settled. Is there anyone with night actions still?

[Hu Tao]

Okay we just vote prince unless anyone else has anything to say.

[Hu Tao]

I would like faster nights if possible. I know mod is very busy, but i feel like this game will be over soon. Or atleast i hope so. Thx.

Agreed. Please ask for fast night everyone

[Hu Tao]

Does anyone think it's more likely to be Dunn than PoP? Or has anyone actually thought about it? My instinct is that it's just PoP here - Guillo's votes were way TMI, and his claim stinks, and I've just had this sneaking suspicion of him most of the game but I feel like I'm not

considering

Dunn

No. We vote prince

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Prince

If it's not prince we can worry about that tomorrow

[Hu Tao]

1 or 2 more for hammer. I probably die tonight. Good bye everyone. I think Naerys is last assuming Prince is scum

[Hu Tao]

Does anyone think it's more likely to be Dunn than PoP? Or has anyone actually thought about it? My instinct is that it's just PoP here - Guillo's votes were way TMI, and his claim stinks, and I've just had this sneaking suspicion of him most of the game but I feel like I'm not

considering

Dunn

No. We vote prince

I think so too, but like I said I haven't

considered

and I wonder if anyone has?

No need to consider. It's likely prince and small chance of Dunn. And I Town read Dunn. So no need to vote him now

[Hu Tao]

Broccoli is being too sus for me right now. Don't auto Town read him last day.

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Dunn

This wasn't our agreement

[Hu Tao]

Last scum is likely not vanilla.

So enchant is prob town if he's confirmed vanilla.

I think Dunn and kyouko are town.

PoP is likely scum .

Broccoli by vibe is town but by play is sus.

Naerys is likely scum partner and should be the elim tomorrow assuming PoP is scum

[Hu Tao]

[Hu Tao]

Naerys
Hu Tao
Broccoli Quest 2
Guillotina
Enchant
Dunnstral
ssbm_Kyouko

This is the alive list - 7 alive, 4 to hammer - Naerys, Hu Tao, BQ2 and I voted you

I trust your judgement tomorrow but please have naerys as the Elim tomorrow assuming pop is scum

[Hu Tao]

If pop isn't scum and it's Dunn then I'm not sure who last is.

[Hu Tao]

I repeat kill Naerys tomorrow, she chained self to mafia claiming DOCTOR.


Naerys and fresh replacement may be reason why mafia didn't bother to skip kill, they are both just didn't knew hell about it.

I agree naerys is most sus

[Hu Tao]

Maybe I'm putting too much stock in the vanilla thing.

[Hu Tao]

I'll trust town to decide if naerys isn't scum. But yeah, that should be the vote tomorrow. Sorry for repeating myself so many times.

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao posting like she might die fwiw

I'm the only conf town no?

[Hu Tao]

I guess I'm not even conf town