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Post #851 (isolation #3) » Fri Mar 29, 2024 9:08 am
Postby humaneatingmonkey »
I want to put StraightFlush to E-1 for picking up a soft claim on mason and then deciding to escalate it to public awareness without any prompt. That feels like a kiting technique to fish out actual masons. And it's my first actual read of the game because everything else before that post was straight-up junk.
ditto. i assume he should be feeling uncomfortable about extending rvs as an experienced town player. so that makes me feel a bit hmm. meanwhile, there's more value to extending rvs as scum because you get to endear yourself to people without being alignment indicative.
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Post #927 (isolation #16) » Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:13 am
Postby humaneatingmonkey »
In post 734, JacksonVirgo wrote:
I’ll give you some advice. Put your backbone behind everything. Exaggerating if you need to. Fake it all until you make it.
Saying it’s vanity, showing the weakness behind the read makes it meaningless
why is jacksonvirgo giving my slot advice instead of just treating my like caught scum? sus
In post 903, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
can you tell me which posts he started to begin to read like scum and what was the pressure he was responding to, and what posts were him lashing out?
582 was the first obviously hostile post, starting an argument with Jackson. More telling, however, is 587, where he says he's "voting the only person he feels comfortable voting". He then exchanges a couple more nothingburger posts before retiring for the night. The next morning he comes out swinging with a Jackson vote at 680, refusing to elaborate further. He also says "finally, a wagon" when there is no semblance of a Jackson wagon at the time, suggesting he thinks more people will support him than actually will because he's just that much smarter than everyone else. From there he begins arguing with Ketchup and positing that he is simply bad at making reads, and starts mansplaining all over the place. The Jackson vote strikes me as petty and the continued arguments with new people strike me as desperate. KayJay then probes Dragon about his behavior and insists in 692 that his views are not just shaped by ketchup's opinions of him, saying that there are other examples, but refusing to cover those other examples in any more depth. By 761 he seems to have cooled off and reaffirms his vote on Skitter, but just a few minutes later he sheeps Ydrasse's vote using evidence that already existed well before he had any inkling of suspicion about me, which is shallow and reads like kowtowing for towncred to accelerate the decline of the wagon on him. I also read his sub-out as petty but apparently we're supposed to avoid talking about that (unrealistic) so I'll leave it there.
i keep thinking about what your pov implies on your read on Dragon. it seems as if you feel negative about the way he's playing, less so you think he's playing to win as scum.
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Post #992 (isolation #26) » Fri Mar 29, 2024 1:39 pm
Postby humaneatingmonkey »
purplemango's last post is really off, in that the reads feel like they have not been filtered through an uninformed perspective. there's a lack of confusion that is expected from noob town.
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Post #998 (isolation #27) » Fri Mar 29, 2024 2:02 pm
Postby humaneatingmonkey »
im so
v a l i d a t e d
ketchup and kjq wont be scum scumreading me and then agreeing to something i just said. i don't think that's within the range of possibilities. one of them has to be town.
In post 993, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
purplemango's last post is really off, in that the reads feel like they have not been filtered through an uninformed perspective. there's a lack of confusion that is expected from noob town.
Why? I did play in the past, also before the site
I don't think its so weird that i know things
i think it's the clarity in which you can determine that someone is town from very slim information - particularly about me. For example, you do not have shared any POV that I may be scum wherein even I can read DragonEater and think "the hell is this guy doing". That you could conclude that DE is town by play, and I would make sense as town too makes me think you do not have the point of view that I could be scum too. (Because you know who the scum are.)
In post 989, JacksonVirgo wrote:I literally just said I can’t place it, obviously I’ll start looking when I find the time and energy
i want you to succeed in articulating it
I didn’t check back posts, but I slept on this feeling and I think it’s coming from the fact you are all experienced and you/skitter seem to be pretty connected and I’m like not at all connecting with you. I’m experienced too and this separation doesn’t feel right, it feels off. I’ve at least narrowed the feeling to you and skitter.
I know that we aren’t inherently a good matchup for whatever reason. Something about how we both play makes me need to switch up a bit or I don’t play very well (referencing the frenemies game) so I’m hoping it’s that same thing here.
I'm confused because skitter has not even referenced to me yet in this whole game.
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Post #1169 (isolation #36) » Sat Mar 30, 2024 3:19 pm
Postby humaneatingmonkey »
it makes me suspicious how this idea that no one has articulated, and no one has any good reasoning for, has been a ghost that multiple people have parrotted for multiple pages now.
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Post #1180 (isolation #39) » Sat Mar 30, 2024 6:22 pm
Postby humaneatingmonkey »
for the rest, it's day 1 and really not much has happened that is alignment-indicative. the most alignment-indicative stuff has been the bind on two of you. apart from that I'm just getting a baseline for everybody. i have ideas that are not alignment indicative for now, but would be if the game opens up.
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Post #1198 (isolation #45) » Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:04 pm
Postby humaneatingmonkey »
i'm not desperate. you're desperate. by your own account, the idea that there's a theme that connects us is immediately undermined by the admittance that it's based on nothing reasonable. it's just a thing that everybody parrotted until everybody thought was true.
how would you handle the possibility that i didn't pay attention to the VCs or where my vote was until Dann added a "VC" post and then didn't update it to have the VCs?
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Post #1209 (isolation #47) » Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:22 pm
Postby humaneatingmonkey »
are we all talking about the same stuff? I'm talking about how there's talk of a theme that connects ydrasse, skitter, and i. it's been repeatedly talked about yet all three that i've spoken to about it had very shoddy reasons about it. it would even be helpful for me if you guys can point out a theme because then it will help me read ydrasse and skitter better. but until you guys can articulate that intuition, then i want you to shut it down because you're beginning to lay ideas on top of it as if it's something substantial that helps read the game. it doesn't. and if you want to prove me wrong, let's talk about that.
if we're talking about Dragon stuff, then that's a different topic. I'm sorry I can't illuminate further where my predecessor's head was at. Frankly i have my own appraisal but it's really poor taste to be assuming where his head was at because I'm not him. It's gonna annoy me a little that my performance is a little overlooked in favor of my predecessor's, but i can live with that.
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Post #1256 (isolation #48) » Sun Mar 31, 2024 9:53 am
Postby humaneatingmonkey »
idk what to say about not having any opinion on skitter. my bar for alignment-indicative is much higher, i guess. i like that we agreed on impressions i also had and sometimes we sound alike, but that's really a poor basis for reading alignment. does anybody want me to comment on any specific skitter post? that will be helpful, thank you.
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Post #1261 (isolation #50) » Sun Mar 31, 2024 11:16 am
Postby humaneatingmonkey »
it's not gonna be helped by both of you spamming the thread and leaving a heap of homework for people who aren't able to be present at every moment. let people react. we need to hear from everyone.
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Post #1276 (isolation #51) » Sun Mar 31, 2024 12:16 pm
Postby humaneatingmonkey »
i dont mean to sound mean or kill joy. please enjoy the game. but also, there's value in slowing down. i can also spam as much as i want (i call it spam, because that's what i call posting multiple times per day) but it really is a week left and the other people I'm thinking about are newbies who will be overwhelmed with the amount of content they need to chew on. i don't want things to be buried and i want to give the initiative to people who aren't often here. I'm thinking: how will this person react to this? how will this person try and find scum from this gamestate? that's very valuable if i want to get info on their slot. but it won't be as valuable if they won't be able to react because the moment has passed, or can hide among the multiple posts here. please understand my point of view.
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Post #1278 (isolation #52) » Sun Mar 31, 2024 12:20 pm
Postby humaneatingmonkey »
and think about it. do i, as scum, want the gamestate to slow down where I'm the top scum pick for most of the wagon? is that really my agenda here? maybe I'm town who wants the thread to be a little more parsable for other newbies. not everybody has the same energy.
for example, i have half the mind that purple's post was that way because he was overwhelmed with the amount of stuff he needed to respond on and he skipped a bunch of stuff. now, i can't eliminate that possibility if the game won't slow down and he won't be given the chance to take initiative. you see where I'm going with this?
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Post #1280 (isolation #53) » Sun Mar 31, 2024 12:21 pm
Postby humaneatingmonkey »
In post 1278, JacksonVirgo wrote:
The beauty of forums is that you can quote whatever post you want, whenever you want
JV, you can't really be unaware how being slung with multiple posts of stuff you need to read can be hurtful to gamestate, can you? are you disputing this?
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Post #1289 (isolation #54) » Sun Mar 31, 2024 12:49 pm
Postby humaneatingmonkey »
sentence is weird. i'm top scum pick for most of the people here. i mean to say top wagon. yes i think that's accurate. the past pages have been about dragon or me being scum.
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Post #1307 (isolation #55) » Mon Apr 01, 2024 12:15 pm
Postby humaneatingmonkey »
no one feels that way. sometimes it's just like this. imagine if they weren't posting and you guys have been. it's just gonna be 10 pages of just your back and forth, and you wouldn't feel that the others haven't been posting as much. now you have info on how the game feels in your absence.
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Post #1308 (isolation #56) » Mon Apr 01, 2024 12:26 pm
Postby humaneatingmonkey »
in an hour, SF will be prodded and he will need to post game-advancing content. what he chooses to post and focus on will be info-rich. same with ydrasse, zach, skitter should their timers run out. and even if their timers run out, eventually they will be showing up to this thread. and if it's slow, they will be forced to take initiative on what they want to do in this game and it will be info-rich. that's why slowing down the game is the right play for now, especially since we have a lot of time. from my pov, as long as i talk to both of you i am talking to at least one town so if i want more chance to catch scum, i want to hear less from you and more from other slots. also, i feel as if you did listen to me yesterday when i explained how slowing down the game will help town. thank you so much.
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Post #1351 (isolation #58) » Mon Apr 01, 2024 3:13 pm
Postby humaneatingmonkey »
im afraid if we do focus on purplemango, there wouldn't be space to give pressure to slots i want to get pressured because it seems purplemango is an easy elimination. there's a consensus that he's acting sus. what i really want is to pressure jackson more. I'm not sure how, as town, is he playing in a way that's trying to find scum. that's not what I'm seeing at all. even his ketchup push feels forced.
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Post #1354 (isolation #60) » Mon Apr 01, 2024 3:15 pm
Postby humaneatingmonkey »
i kinda feel like you're trying to have fun, keeping it cool, and checking out ketchup's slot but i don't really feel as if you believe that. especially after your advice on dragon where I'm trying to see if you would do that on ketchup but it's missing pizzaz.