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In post 251, Entrapta wrote:No, you see, I'm your chainsaw :3
Maybe I'm too big to fit in your pocket but I'm happy to find a home in your tool shed
Spoiler:Then Entrapta reacted later and April changed his vote.
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Hum.In post 7, AliceK wrote:
That's a lot of time indeed. Let's hope we will manage to eliminate Mafia.In post 4, MiniMegabyte wrote:14 days gives us plenty of time I don’t think I’ve ever played a game where the first day has been 14 days long
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That's a spicy thing to falsify from a scum perspective.In post 46, AliceK wrote:
I think your interactions with bugspray are weird Entrapta. You forgot that you already interacted with bugspray? -> didn't really pay attention to the read -> the read is likely fakeIn post 32, Entrapta wrote:I'm semi-outed, the only person on this list who would know me who doesn't (I think) already know this alt is bugspray. Hi bugspray!
If I need to out for bugspray sanity I will, idc, this isn't a very secretive alt tbh
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Is this just PoE?In post 2742, Flea The Magician wrote:Everyones pool should be me, Titus and VFP.
Adjusted accordingly.
VFP is the townier of the two imo, so happy with VFP not being considered. Me or Titus peeps.-
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It's kind of funny because Vfp said a lot of things and Flea's reaction was just "ok, cool, but I'm not townreading the effort. What's your progression on my slot?"
A not very smart reaction for scum!Flea, although fae didn't have much of a choice at this point (since recognizing Vfp's reasoning process as towny, with scum!Flea vs town!Vfp as real, could sound like a potential scumclaim/perspective slip).-
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Bussing today would also be good in a Flea + Titus scenario, but perhaps with Vfp consistently advocating for a solve with both of them, endgame would become impossible for scum!Flea, so fae would need to look for alternative frictions, such as the speculation of A50 as a potential scum, the discussion with Vfp (as well as the inclusion of him in faer scumpool) and the lack of a clear position on which exactly is faer solve (since this allows flexibility). A pocket on me would be interesting, but scum!Flea would also be aware that I tend to reevaluate my reads overnight, so I would probably break free eventually, even though the attempt would be valid.-
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Alternatively, town!Flea could just be playing faer game and be confused about Gera's scumflip and my protective conduct around faer wagon yesterday, something that could have affected faer judgment today (especially with fae considering Vfp>Titus in scum index terms).
The argument about a50 with Vfp could be a simple disagreement (which would be correct in a Titus + A50 solve).-
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Regardless of these theories, the point of most relevance is the vote on Vfp instead of staying on Titus. The interpretation of the motivation (and truthfulness or not of the reaction) that led Flea to act in this way is basically the answer to faer alignment.In post 2752, Flea The Magician wrote:
Whatever you're adding to your tea, can I have some?In post 2750, VFP wrote:You look desperate at this point Flea! Just take the lim with dignity!
If you wanna yeet me, yeet me. I know what position I'm in. A50 claimed block when surely one of the PRs should've been blocked previously and claimed it.
You might want some more tinfoil VFP, you raisin my suspicions rn
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And no, don't ask me because I don't know. Many mix feelings there.
In any case, Titus stills more likely scum to me atm, and she's in both Titus + A50 and Titus + Flea solve scenarios, while Flea is just in one (I don't see Flea + A50 working tbh), which is why I want Titus.
But I wouldn't mind doing Flea today if that's what will bring more info to the game.-
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Actually, I quite like this idea (thinking about it again).In post 2725, RLotus wrote:Flea flipping town clears clidd and VFP in my mind. Clidd and VFP's effort to switch the wagon from flea to partner geraintm does not make sense to me, unless flea is also scum.
So that only leaves Titus + A50 as the possible team.
And if Flea flips scum, then we hit scum. So I think I like Flea today the most.-
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In post 2709, Titus wrote:
I don't read upon subbing in. To hold me to that standard is scummy.In post 2700, clidd wrote:Town!Titus would have read my interactions with Gera and came to the conclusion that the chance of T|S was low.@Mod
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Although I particularly wanted to focus on eliminating a slot most likely to be scum (Titus), I feel that Flea will bring a lot more information to the game due to the amount of interactions fae has, regardless of alignment.
But it'll still depend on whether Titus will be replaced or not, as well as the potential successor.-
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-In post 2709, Titus wrote:
I don't read upon subbing in. To hold me to that standard is scummy.In post 2700, clidd wrote:Town!Titus would have read my interactions with Gera and came to the conclusion that the chance of T|S was low.In post 1015, Titus wrote:You expect me to read a game when subbing in?
You know you have tried to crumb to me specifically in games and had it fail. Mbos comes to mind.
I don't have a problem with you doing due diligence but this is a stretch.
Yeah, of course, Titus.-
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By the way, that game ended some time ago (10+ days), but you're only mentioning it now. Is there a particular reason or you just forgot about it?
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And this excerpt, specifically, is similar to the highlighted part below:Grendel seems to be doing mass spew. Throw out so much content that we can't determine who is scum with him. It won't work though.
In the sense that in both situations she's not impartially analyzing the motivation of the expressed content and checking whether it makes more sense to come from town or scum, but rather cataloging it in a generic way as if the spam, that is, the amount, by itself, was a scummy thing (which is also a way of indirectly neglecting things that could lead to a reassessment of the accuser's alignment).In post 2610, Titus wrote:In post 2608, Flea The Magician wrote:
FOr example this is a legitimate question I'm interested in seeing and answer to, and your non-response is bad faith smoke and mirrors.In post 2586, clidd wrote:
"instead or asking what is clidd's read on flea, or what flea's read is on clidd, let me ask something that it won't help me sort clidd to create a spark"In post 2466, Titus wrote:
Why do you feel like that?In post 2464, clidd wrote:It feels like Flea is trying to make me vote faer for some reason.
I think you're just dodging my questionsIn post 2606, clidd wrote:Like I said, I have many ways of playing my games.
Do you think everything I'm saying about your slot is invented from a scum perspective?and digging up random stuff from my prior slot holder to see what can stickknowing that I'd have zero idea what they were thinking.-
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My guess is that the intention would probably be to give the idea that if you are town, the expectation is that other towns will be able to identify your slot as town, when in reality this is not how a town mentality works. Town can also have incorrect reads and scumread town, not just scum. So it's important to understand where the other person is coming from when a read is announced (regardless of whether the read is correct or not), which is clearly not what Titus did here and in that scumgame.-
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Oh, and one last post from Amélie that I'm going to quote ^In post 1286, Amélie wrote:It is quite late here but since Clidd requested my presence, I'm here. Nothing in the game has changed much since I last checked in except that I might drop geraint and I'm worried about RLotus town reading me.Geraint's doesn't seem like he believes in the push he is making on me. He feels like he knows I'm town and is constantly thinking about ways to scum read me in his long and wordy posts that really are just saying things that could be summed up in three sentences. I don't see a reason for scum Lotus to not just hammer me at E-1 but I also don't see why town Lotus would townread me. In my last game with Lotus, they barely had a read on me. I have been getting more and more certain clidd is town because of how he has been actually thinking. When I was scum, I didn't think before I posted whereas as town I spend time thinking about what and why I have certain reads. I reconsider and think more. Clidd's reads have changed naturally and he has taken the time and effort to meta players. I think he is most likely town. If there is a town cop, I strongly encourage they target me tonight because I will become a more and more likely mislim as the game progresses especially given my lack of time currently.
I still strongly believe Gretchen is scum and I think no other wagon is better than that one. I'll post an updated reads list tomorrow morning.
Besides always having a pattern of scumreading more than one person on her posts (she had the entire pl as a sl/sr at some point during the game, probably to avoid associatives), she also did a description abou Gera that I have no idea on how town!she would think that WITHOUT voting him. Honestly.
Anyways, that's it.-
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If you explained, I probably didn't pay attention, but what made you come to the inference that Titus is specifically RB instead of just "scum"?In post 2848, VFP wrote:Remember, a RB flip here means the below.
Confirmed town
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Clidd will be clear as both scum would have pushed.
So it's a win then.-
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Alright, thanks.In post 100, April Ludgate wrote:Gretchen pinging me so hard-
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You could at least give a try or something.
But eh, sure, ok. No problem, I guess.-
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+1In post 2860, Flea The Magician wrote:Hope your feeling more you soon Titus <3 Still a legend <3-
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And considering the answer that I imagine you will give: what behavior of Vfp, besides PoE, sounded as scummy to you?
He has effectively collaborated over the days towards gamesolving (while other slots were inactive/afk), and was in favor of both scum eliminations (Gera/Titus).
If he's scum, there must be something specific that he has done (or tried to do) that would benefit the scum alignment. I imagine you'll have no difficulty mentioning it, since from your perspective he's a potential scum candidate.-
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I mean, what's the point of giving this info as scum!Vfp? ^In post 2826, VFP wrote:I recently replaced into a game that is over now.
I took over a scum slot during the night and was shot so I didn't get to post in game. However, Titus was also scum and was the lim the day before I was shot.
In the Mafia chat Titus had already given up and wanted to forfeit the game. Pooky was the other scum who actually almost won the game.
So the fact that Titus has given up here just gives me the exact same vibes from that game.
Game was Envoys of Entrapy by Gamma.
That game had ended more than 10 days ago and no one mentioned it, so the existence of it would hardly be noticed if Vfp did not say anything about it.
And if you paid attention to the post I did before:
My focus was on eliminating your slot until Vfp shared that information.In post 2823, clidd wrote:Although I particularly wanted to focus on eliminating a slot most likely to be scum (Titus), I feel that Flea will bring a lot more information to the game due to the amount of interactions fae has, regardless of alignment.
But it'll still depend on whether Titus will be replaced or not, as well as the potential successor.
So what would be the purpose of scum!Vfp in returning attention to Titus instead of pressing the theory of scum!Flea, which from your perspective, would be a miselim (and advantageous for him)?-
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If you aren't scum, who is then?In post 2875, Almost50 wrote:Guys, if you all think it's me I think you should get it on with and lim me today. I don't want to lose in ELo, so you go ahead and vote me out and see if you can see the light in the moro (because evidently I dunno what to do next and I am obviously a dead load)-
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