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Not really. RVS and all that. Way too early to start making judgments about "OMGUS" votes however.
Faster we get a wagon up, though, the better.-
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RVS ends for different people at different times. I'm not ready to leave it yet. Things are starting to change.
Your vote: I'm not sure. It has a twist of randomness in it. Why do you think that Slaxx asking you to vote is encouraging RVS, however?
RVS wagons are the fastest way to leave RVS, not to find scum.
Unvote, Vote: boberz
Lets see what else you have to say. I might be ready to call off RVS after your next post.-
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But...it does.boberz wrote:
It just shouldnt exist full stop. So I am not even having this discussion.
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You're trying too hard to look town. I like my vote and RVS is over for me.
Assuming makes an ass out of u and me.boberz wrote: Becasue two random votes had just been laid down (including one from himself) so I just assumed he was encouraging a random vote.
You're contradicting yourself a bit. You want to never enter RVS, but have no objections to RVS wagons?boberz wrote: How about we just never enter it, shocking idea. And everything should be geared to finding scum. I have no objections to RVS wagons though.
Also, again, trying too hard to look town. I'm really liking my vote, so it stays.-
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Like 90% of the time, there is some form of RVS. You saying that you hate it that much that you'd rather see it completely gone instead of having a realistic view on RVS tells me that you're trying too hard to look town.boberz wrote: But it doesnt have to.
The opposite. Asking you to vote is actually promoting theboberz wrote:Perhaps, what do you think he meant?ENDof RVS. Why did you think the opposite?
I'm thinking you're trying to cover yourself. I will give you the benefit of the doubt here, however. Word things more carefully.boberz wrote:If there is RVS, then RVS wagons are good. I prefer not having RVS and having nice big juicy proper wagons.
What?boberz wrote: No such thing.
Looking like town and -trying too hard- to look like town are two different things. And yes, you can try too hard to look town. That's why people say that certain statements or arguments seem forced.-
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I see it as asking you for a vote so that he could comment on it and try to end RVS faster. Which he did.boberz wrote:I still think he was asking me for a random vote, if you truly believe random votes are the way to stop RVS then we really need to go to MD. I do not believe he was asking me for a stretched forced real vote (what he got).-
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boberz wrote:
He ended RVS? I am taking credit for it.I see it as asking you for a vote so that he could comment on it and try to end RVS faster. Which he did.
A vote was always coming in my next post. You really do need to look at one of my past games.
No, he tried to end RVS faster. Like I said: RVS ends at different times for different people.I see it as asking you for a vote so that he could comment on it and try to end RVS faster. Which he did.-
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My logic wasn't to support my vote. My vote was still random at that point.This is not solid logic by any means.
We'll agree to disagree here. I didn't like his specific assertion that he wants RVS completely gone; that's a given and stating the obvious doesn't look right to me.No, this is a pointless preference discussion.
Well, I'd say it depends on the context. I wouldn't say it's a scumtell here, even though he's jumping the gun a bit, but his point is a bit misguided.So you're not saying it's scummy.
Being anti-RVS shows that you have a thirst for info. It isn't TOO big of a town tell, but to me, it reads as town. I just don't like it when it's stated so obviously.*headdesk*
And you lost it again. Being anti-RVS does not make you look pro-town. It is not a tell at all.
I suppose this is a good point, however, probabilities point to my statement, especially with the way Slaxx responded to bob's vote.The only one who can confirm or deny this is Slaxx himself. You are also assuming here. Hypocrisy, anyone?
Well...it's impossible to tell at this stage. It's too early to be calling definite contradictions, so PERHAPS he could have worded his post wrong and since it IS so early, I'm going to keep an eye on it but let it go for right now. I haven't forgotten and won't forget, but it's really not a big factor right now.This is actually a contradiction from boberz, and you pass it off as nothing?
See bolded. I apologize.MY GOD.
Welcome to Assumefest 2010, where we both make different assumptions and then call each other out for having conflicting assumptions without knowing who is right!
And, *gasp*, it's irrelevant either way!
Yes, my first vote was random. My second vote was random too, but decided to stick with it after his reply to my vote post.@DemonHybrid: You changed your vote within half an hour. I'm assuming that your first vote was a random vote. Was your second random? If not, what was it about the one post Boberz made between your two votes that convinced you to change your mind?
You know, I've only finished four games. I'm currently in 6 and still trying to find my scumhunting niche. For those games that I've finished, in one, I was completely right. One, somewhat right, but at different times, but wrong in the end. And the other two, I was scum, so it doesn't apply.I cannot read him. Hate to dismiss the issue completely but he ALWAYS turns everything into a scumtell, whether town or scum. He's null for now, as are most players in the game at this point.
We'll see after all of my current games are finished to see how I'm doing, but I'm quite comfortable with my style as of right now.-
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Oh damn, you're right, you didn't.Slaxx wrote:I don't think I ever voted him.
Vote on Parama, then Unvote, then Vote on Bidderskins.
I could have sworn that you did. Let me look back again.-
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I remember making a point about you voting bob, but I don't think I did, looking back now. This is my brain fried from too much mafia.
Can someone make a sincerely legitimate case against Bidderskins? I'm lost as to why people find him scummy.-
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What is this i dont evenWeaponsofMassConstruction wrote:
(inb4 he asks how I know him)Slaxx wrote:This game is going to be lulzy.
Weapons, what does that make Demons/Parama?-
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Scorehero, but the only person who I know from that site in this game is Parama.-
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Depends. They move fast at first and then slow down about halfway through D1 I'd say.-
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Sorry; catching up late tonight. One game completely drained me and fried my brain last night and I have classes until 9 today.-
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Oh, and I'm not leaving you at L-1.
Unvote
Still my top suspect, but I'd rather no one quickhammer. I gotta look over some things first.-
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So, yeah. I'm going to need to read over this and perhaps take some notes.
I'll be back with my thoughts. Sorry I didn't get to post late last night; could only post in some games and had to run everywhere like crazy.-
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Bub.Bub Bidderskins wrote:
Admitted OMUGUSParama 158 wrote:I'm "rushing to his defense" because your questions are crap and are not scumhunting at all? I am not defending him, I am attacking you. At the same time, boberz is #1 on my scum list and I am currently voting him. And you claim I am defending him?vote: Parama
When some one finally put a serious vote on you, the first thing you do is vote at them. How can you honestly think Xine is scum when he only posted twice before you voted for him? And it wasn't as if they were scummy posts, on the contrary, the only thing "scummy" about them was that in the second post he voted for you. That's a textbook definition of OMUGUS.
Read this.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... =5&t=15167
This is why your case is a flaily, terrible mess.
And in response to Parama asking why I'm afraid of a quickhammer: People do it...a LOT. You should know this.
Bub's looking more scummy to me that bob is. Now...I don't THINK they're scum and scum, rather scum and town, but at this point, I'm more comfortable with a Bub lynch.
Unvote, Vote: Bub Bidderskins
I'm keeping an eye on the rest of the arguments...but nothing else has really stood out at this time.-
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Wow, talk about a missed point.
Parama made HIS case against YOU (A very legit one, I might add). So how is that an OMGUS vote when he clearly knew why he was voting you with logic instead of blatantly throwing a vote on you JUST BECAUSE you were voting for him?-
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EBWOP:DemonHybrid wrote:Wow, talk about a missed point.
Parama made HIS case against YOU (A very legit one, I might add). So how is that an OMGUS vote when he clearly knew why he was voting you with logic instead of blatantly throwing a vote on you JUST BECAUSE you were voting for him?
Wait a second, I completely misunderstood shit. Sorry about that, I'm in 6 games right now.
Regardless, he never voted Xine. He HoS'd him, but not voted.-
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EBWOP2: He never voted for you, either. I have to admit, I did do only a moderate skim of the game so far, only because there's so much I can read over 6 games, plus schoolwork and whatnot.
Let me put this in perspective.
Xine makes a case against Parama before voting him. Parama makes a case against Xine, but DOESN'T vote him. You vote Parama, claiming OMGUS. He makes a slight case against you, but doesn't vote you (which is what I thought I did. Parama has a habit of wording his cases very strongly but -not- voting).-
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Posting in to say that I'm going to re-read after the PSU game and figure things out, but I want to say that Parama made a GREAT point in his last post.-
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Unvote, Vote: Cogito Ergo Sum
Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:
Technically true if taken out of context, yes. But given the context I think the meaning is clear: I'm suspicious of berz but this suspicion is not particularly strong (which shouldn't be that surprising considering we're on page 10.)Parama wrote:None of the above are lies. I could say all this and be telling the truth every time.
Yeah, clearly, if I hadn't been town, I would've either caught scum by now or exaggerated my certainty. *rolls eyes*Parama wrote:Scum tend to make fewer definite statements than town - it gives them the ability to back out of their reads.
Either you're already convinced that three people are scum, in which case you're kidding yourself, or you just state your suspicions more strongly, which does not strike me as significant.
I feel like this is all a poor justification for something you were caught doing, and so far, the scummiest thing anyone has said all game. I felt Parama was extremely clear, and you still try to make something of nothing.-
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I'm cool with either a Bub or CES lynch....so, let me do this:
Unvote, Vote: Bub Bidderskins
We can make the necessary connections tomorrow. CES is still up there in suspicion however, so I'll be looking at him and his connection to Bub more closely tomorrow if Bub flips scum.-
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6 games and a ton of homework. SHM:WT drained the hell out of me and I've had a paper to write and an ASL interpreting assignment to do all weekend.WeaponsofMassConstruction wrote:DH, you usually post more than this. Any explanation?-
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To add on, you'll probably notice my activity in other games has died a little bit too, so apologies on that.-
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How so? Self-hammering as scum is a good play if he knows that whatever he says could fuck over his scumbuddies.Parama wrote:My god. I would personally modkill Bub for that hammer, but I'm not modding.
At least he claimed scum for us.
Anyway, that was a crazy composure change. I wonder what the "oh crap" was for.-
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Do you think it has anything to do with implying a mason claim with you? Just want some information on this.Slaxx wrote:What dh said. You're not bitter or anything are you parama?
I don't think he outright claimed it, just a frustrated "STOP MAKING CONNECTIONS, WE -COULD- BE MASONS!" or whatever.-
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I'm talking about Bub saying "Oh crap" in post #300.DemonHybrid wrote:
Do you think it has anything to do with implying a mason claim with you? Just want some information on this.Slaxx wrote:What dh said. You're not bitter or anything are you parama?
I don't think he outright claimed it, just a frustrated "STOP MAKING CONNECTIONS, WE -COULD- BE MASONS!" or whatever.-
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You tease.Nicodemus wrote:Parama wrote:^yeahMod could you specify a length?
There's none in the OP so
So, basically, in a couple hours.Nicodemus wrote:Everyone may post until the lynch scene and flip are posted.-
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Vote: boberz
Bub did nothing but ask questions on why people were voting for you.
I have a feeling that this was you trying to decide whether you should bus. Your original case on Bub sounded like you had every intention on voting him...but you didn't until you felt you absolutely had to, did you?boberz wrote:You are right, one of my posts didnt come out yesterday. I made a detailed case and vote on Bub Buddikins. I will do it again in a sec.
unvote vote Bub
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EBWOP: I have a feeling that your original case on Bub was you trying to decide whether or not you should bus. Running on like 2 hours of sleep.-
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bob's last few posts of Day 1 is a pretty good indication of how hesitant he was before with voting Bub. He posted a case, but didn't voter....then decided to vote afterwards. Tried to make a case on Xvart....that didn't work. Bub then self hammered, and it was these two posts that really made me think:
He probably thinks restating exactly what happened in a "surprised" tone was going to get him town points. "Legit surprise AND questioning?! Wow, boberz must be the real deal when it comes to being town!"boberz wrote:What, claim mason then self vote???
Then he goes off on Bub again, calling him scummy and trying to cut all ties he's had with bub earlier simply because his Xvart case never got off the ground. I see all of this as an unneeded attempt to gain town points, and usually "OMG I'M MAD SURPRISED!!!" reactions are just acting.boberz wrote:
I did not even realise post 253 was a criticism of me. I asked Bub for reasoning, he failed to give it I can only assume he had none. Now with his self vote (hammer I think) and random wifomy claims etc etc it is safe to assume we did hit scum. SO I feel no remorse in criticising him for both his methods and his achievements.Xine wrote:
Are you being deliberately dense? go read post 253, I very clearly explained myself. I did not attack you here for avoiding Questions from Parama, but for interfering with a line of questioning from bub to CES. BTW your attack of Xvart is horrible, if there ever was a case on him you have totally destroyed it with your terrible interrogation.boberz wrote:I don't really get why xine did not vote for me earlier but did on page 10. I don't see any new case on me. Only a quote of me prodding Bub and an allegation I avoided questions, something that had already been dismissed by Parama. But apart from that I do not see much wrong with Xine. Much of the case comes from supposed scummy links with me but as I am not scum (from my point of view) I dont accept these.
I did not deflect questions, certainly did not interfere with the answers themselves. I attacked the questions and the motives behind them. Bub also failed to address this.
I have not totally destroyed anything, if you think there is a better case to be made on xvart then make it, don't criticise me for making a case I believed in. I accept the attack pretty much came to nothing and did not hold up to scrutiny but I have not prevented any future case from being made. But if you believe he is town this should be a good thing for you surely?
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I'm willing to say Slaxx is town too, DEFINITELY so if bob flips scum.
An attempt to pin suspicion on Slaxx.boberz wrote:He claimed with you! I thought he was talking to you. Either way he sounds a bit strange, it wasnt even a proper claim.
When in doubt, ISO bobz. See for yourselves, he's been consistently defensive, overexaggerated and wishy-washy with his opinions.-
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I think as far as Xine goes, I'm going to be a bit more careful. I was really starting to think CES was scum near the end of the day because of his tango with Parama, so I'm leaving Xine as a definitive null at the moment.
I can see the case on Oso, but maybe that is JUST Oso. His suspicions were pretty flip-floppy; it was like every 2 posts was a different suspicion. It's pretty suspicious that he wanted the lynch on Bub but...of course, never voted. I'll wait to see what Socrates has to say, but I'm happy with naming him the last scum for now.-
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EBWOP: (I think as far as Xine goes, I'm going to be a bit more careful. I was really starting to think CES was scum near the end of the day because of his tango with Parama, so I'm leaving Xine as a definitive null at the moment.)
Meaning since Xine was mostly going at it with Parama, doing almost the same things as CES, I don't want deja-vu happening again.
Fuck, I need a nap.-
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I'm with charter on this one. bobz is scummy, but since the bandwagon is climbing and you just posted a SHITLOAD of "Let me try to figure out why CES was killed" when it doesn't even matter, I've decided to change my mind on the null read.
Unvote, Vote: Xine
bobz isn't off the hook. He's still unbelievably scummy. Soc.....not too far behind, I don't like how he can't think of an opinion for himself. I just read a 60 page game; 14 pages is peanuts in comparison.-
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Wow, talk about a complete fucking 180, Soc.
Vote will still be on Xine. Socrates is now above bob on the scum scale.
Two of these 3 are the remaining scum: Xine, Soc, bobz. Xine, please explain your ridiculous vote on Slaxx. I haven't heard enough jokes lately as it is and could use a laugh.-
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Wow, you must be a celebrity to used car salesmen.Lowell wrote:vote slaxxsure it's a wifom trap, but I'm willing to engage the possibility that bub actually justisthat dumb.
Offhand I'll say the bob case doesn't make much sense to me (I find it unlikely the top two wagons yesterday were both scum), and I'll look at Xine since he's getting so much attention.-
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Anyway, I'm going to ignore the blatant naivety of your post and ask you a few questions:
1. Why doesn't the bob case make sense to you?
2. Why do you find it unlikely that two top wagons are both scum?
3. How do you know that Bub wasn't just saying "We COULD be masons" instead of meaning "We ARE masons"?
Bonus question: Do you find it funny that your post is about to completely distract town from lynching obvious scum?
Make sure to write your name at the top of the paper.-
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"Low opinion". Right >_>
And what do you think of Xine's vote on Slaxx, sir Always-right-a-lot?-
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Oh, and you haven't responded to a think WOMC said other than your flip-floppy unvote.-
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So, *shrug* to what seems to be a little bit of a softclaim? Why would anyone want to lynch a potential softclaim?
I know Slaxx said afterwards that it wasn't a softclaim, but we can conclude that the majority of the players here who read Slaxx's post at the time thought it was a softclaim.
What else should I have responded to?
Here we go with sucking up to Parama.A minimal observation. This appears to help the town, but Socrates already admitted to sheeping with Parama, which means he thought Parama was town then else he wouldn't be sheeping which reasons out to that there is no reason to establish a disconnection between Parama and Slaxx since the Parama part is redundant. Feel free to ask for clarity if needed.The scuminess in Xine's post is obvious, as others would point out. My original read of Xine wasn't that strong, and Parama has a tendency to tunnel hardcore, so that partly influenced my views.
And now about the style, Socrates now speaks with unwavering conviction, giving urgency to the purpose of dissolving the wagon as fast as possible, yet at this point, he has not even read the thread, and is clearly bullshitting to try and save his partner.The panic feeding need to action pulls through in the voice of this passage. This feels like English class.
These would be a nice start.And now for perhaps what stands out as the most concrete scummy post. Earlier, Socrates hopped off the wagon and hinted that he thought Xine was town (scroll back up to see the end about night kill speculation), and now he turns his view around again in order to drive his desperation case. Lastly, the last sentence is the bad kind of AtE.-
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EBWOP: "So, *shrug* to what seems to be vote on a little bit of a softclaim?"-
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This is simple framing and interpretation with no logic to back it up. There is no way to respond to this kind of thing other than to say "No, you are wrong."
So. No. You are wrong.Once again, this simply isn't true. I indicated multiple times thatI sheeped himbecauseUnvote, Vote: Socrates-
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Also, are you saying that AtE is okay to use because you don't like to discuss it, or....?-
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Explaining my vote a little bit more:
You can't say that he's a "strong scumhunter" and that you're sheeping him and then say that WOMC is wrong about you fully believing he's town. That's foolish either way, whether Parama is scum (you're fully believing what scum wants you to believe) OR town (because it's hypocritical). Neither is pro-town.-
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Sorry I didn't make my vote clear, point still stands however.
First off, people should learn to keep their OPTIONS open and take everything in. To just sheep those who put good arguments out is a recipe for being made to look like a puppet after said person flips town, if they are town. You realize that's how scum who are actually competent at the game are able to make town think that they're lynching someone who deserves it...like 3 or 4 times in a row, right?DH, I disagree with you vehemently and passionately. Being willing to follow other players when they put forward strong arguments is a skill more people should learn, but this is a playstyle thing. I can link you to a game where I have done this as town before, if you want.
Second, I'm not interested in "what you did in the past when you were town". That was then, this was now. I was watching Casino Royale last night, the part where Mathis tells Le Chiffre what his tell is so that he is able to exploit Bond by faking the tell and steal his chipstack. Just because you do something one time doesn't mean it's always going to be the case.-
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It was the context.
You're saying "You don't know whether or not Parama is town and you aren't sucking up to him" after agreeing with him and admitting to sheeping (which would only make sense and would be smart if Parama was confirmed town).
This does two things for you:
1. It makes you seem like you ARE keeping all of your options open by saying "Parama COULD be town or scum, I dunno"...
2. ...but then you say "...but he's a good scumhunter, so I'm going to do what he says." Hello, townie points, my name is Socrates!
You're agreeing 100% with the person that makes the most sense without further reasoning, but want to be regarded as the person who's keeping their options open...AFTER the fact, no less.-
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I actually fail to see more reasoning from you other than "I think Parama's a good scumhunter, so I sheeped him. And I'm not sucking up to him. And he could be either town or scum."
So once you actually provide reasoning that is more likely to be true than what I posted, it's indeed scummy to me.-
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Christ.
Is that not exactly what you said?DemonHybrid wrote:"I think Parama's a good scumhunter, so I sheeped him. And I'm not sucking up to him. And he could be either town or scum."-
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EBWOP: Meaningwise, not word-wise, of course.DemonHybrid wrote:Christ.
Is that not exactly what you said?DemonHybrid wrote:"I think Parama's a good scumhunter, so I sheeped him. And I'm not sucking up to him. And he could be either town or scum."-
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Why is bob town to you now?
I guess since Socrates is being stubborn as all hell (not responding to my questions) and the Xine lynch is closer to getting done,Unvote, Vote: Xine. I don't care who gets lynched out of the 3 player pool (Xine, bob, Soc) as long as one of them do; I still have a grand feeling that 2 of those 3 are scum.
I would be almost certain that if Xine flips scum, Soc is her buddy. WOMC is.....eh. He's presented a great case against Soc and I just don't see the "opportunism" in his attack.
Lowell, after further review, is town that just doesn't know what the hell is going on.-
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What was your day one report then?Xine wrote:No I'm a cop, just a tracker.
I'm sure you meant you are not a cop.-
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I'd like more clarification on how you feel this way.charter wrote:Slaxx, what is the point of this? His claim makes no sense from every possible angle. It's like you're desperately looking for something you can believe about it.
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Her Slaxx vote.charter wrote:Yeah, what do you mean you want more clarification? What about his claim makes the tiniest bit of sense?
I can't go through with this lynch until I see much more scumminess from her. This is all being taken way too fast.
Vote: boberz
Eye is still being kept on Soc, but I'm not going to vote for him now that I don't really think he bussed and then backed out.-
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And how dumb will you feel if Xine was telling the truth and didn't know how to express it right?Parama wrote:DH, unvote right now you moron.
Why can't we lynch Xine faster?-
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Xine is fine.
Soc, by association, is null now. He could have easily left his vote on Xine when she was L-1 and gotten away with it.
WOMC is slowly crawling up my scumlist, while boberz still has a commanding lead. Lowell also might be worth looking into.
My vote on boberz stays. I'm watching WOMC.-
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A mafia tracker in a mini normal. Speculate more.
You guys are thinking too hard about this. Now help me lynch boberz for having obvious connections to bub.