Neruz wrote:I'll be honest Thomith, you've scored a few scum points in that little alitercation.
VOTE: hiphop for having a name that is similar to hiplop.
VOTE: Neruz
If Thomith is scummy, why make a second RVS vote?
hiphop wrote:As for Neruz- I am trying to lynch scum, what are you trying to do?
hiphop wrote:Your blatant defense of him, confirms the fact that you already know his alignment.
bvoigt wrote:We're not talking in absolutes here; we're talking about this specific case of Thomith defending Neruz. And I agree with hiphop...it makes little sense that he's defending Neruz here against a legitimate point for this stage in the game.
Thomith wrote:So you are basically assuming everyone that defends someone is scum. So defending someone who you disagree with getting voted for the case on thim is scummy? Good to know.
hiphop wrote:Stop strawmanning and pay attention to the bolded.hiphop wrote:Your blatant defense of him, confirms the factthat you already know his alignment.
Voidedmafia wrote:Thank you for continuing to make baseless assumptions.
See, the thing is, we actually have a good reason to suspect Neruz, and your defense of him is both indirectly implicating him as being scum and making you out to be a suspect as well.
Besides, I don't think you or Neruz have really explained why he would call you scummy and then vote someone else because coming up with a seemingly legit case (however small it was) and the trying to mask things under the guise of RVS smells REALLY fishy.
Evil Bullet wrote:The comment on his high percentage of games as scum was ballsy but for a fairly good player it could easily be a scum gambit.
WV wrote:I'm going to answer Thomith's question to Bvoigt for him, as we already discussed this and agree. These are the four motivations you may have for defending Thomith:
1. You are scum defending a townie so that if he flips town, you get townpoints.
2. You are scum defending a buddy, this is less likely due to the obviousness of the defense.
3. You are scum defending a townie trying to fake a reaction, but overdid it.
4. You are town defending someone you legitimately think is town.
Those are the four possible motivations I can think of. As you can see that's a pretty good chance that you are scum.
GreyICE wrote:You know that the majority of players possess the Town Win Condition.
Evil Bullet wrote:SIGH....
Voided's latest post seems a bit town. Guys I think we're all headed in the wrong direction. Thomith, Neruz, and Voided are all town. I need everyone on this player list to start posting so I can calibrate.
Beck wrote:This is basically a blind leap of faith you are asking people to take.
Rainbow wrote:EB, Neruz, Thomith, Implosion team, lets get this one won. If hiphop really is scum deselby gets to be the final element of harmony. WV gets blasted tomorrow and last pony gets cleaned up day three.
This is one of those things that I should be reading as either really scummy or really towny, but I'm not entirely sure which. I think I think it's scummy. I'm not sure if that's what I think. ~Or maybe that's their plan, to keep independent and throw us off?
Okay, I'm gonna stop there before I talk myself into oblivion.
Banshee wrote:@implosion: Who is your strongest scum read? I am assuming it's still me. So, if you were to successfully lynch me and I flipped town, where would your suspicion land then?You've given two town reads and one scum read, do you have ANYTHING else to contribute?
What do you think is the scummiest thing I've done since replacing into the game? What was the scummiest thing deselby did?
Banshee wrote:@Implosion:
I think you're likely town. Your posts seem to demonstrate real scumhunting at first; however, I think you've come to a conclusion about what it means when someone votes to make it L-2 and then unvotes at L-1 that really isn't based on anything but sheer conjecture. I can't justify it either, since I've no idea why deselby would do that.
I also think at this point you have one scumread and you're going to fight to keep it since if it goes, you won't have any scumreads at all. So you're already suffering from confirmation bias and I doubt I could change your mind short of death. I suspect that explains why you didn't feel any need to question me about any of the things I did since replacing into the game that simply confirmed your scum read on me.
Rainbowdash wrote:Arbitrary rankings are passe.
If we are using them though we should lynch VM based off my arbitrary numbers who is 5 and 3/4 cupcakes in the hole followed by Beck at eleven hooves down. You are at a four. Simply a four.
Basically explain them or don't bother with them.
Banshee wrote:What would it take, precisely, to move up from the -11 that you believe Deselby put the slot to?
I would argue that it really doesn't matter what I do, you're not going to change your mind. Therefore your opinion of me can't really have any bearing on my behaviour. I think if you were interested in verifying or testing your read you'd have asked me some questions, at least to try to figure out who my supposed scumbuddies would be.
Try to figure out some other scumreads, though. Tunneling on one player isn't helping anyone and will leave you stranded when I flip town. However, the way you're doing it it's not scummy; scum would have some back burner options too. It's just not smart.
Voidedmafia wrote:Thomith wrote:Hey grey thanks for giving me my nightmare fuel.
VOTE: Parama because you modded and played in a game before this that i was in. Hiphop you're next.
and also i have on been scum 4 out of 7 games...
So that's a claim, huh?
Voidedmafia wrote:For me, it's more like, you've already pegged thomith as scummiest out of all of us at this point; why the hell aren't you pushing that suspicion?
Voidedmafia wrote:Oh, right, if I think you're scum. Had a post on that, then stupidly got it deleted by clicking on a bookmark. But anyways, I checked through the first couple pages up to when I switched to you, and I didn't really see much reason for me to vote you, so I'm gonnaUnvote.
I still hold Neruz in suspicion, but Evil Bullet is right in that we probably need to either look at things from a different angle or find another place to go to.
Sleuth: How far along are you in reading, and do you have thoughts on what's happened so far?
Cloudocean: Any thoughts on recent events?
Parama:...Are you even going to post?
Voidedmafia wrote:...Your use of ponies in place of people is slightly unsettling.
But both you and Hiphop have good points regarding Thomith. Could be scum bussing a partner, or town getting a bit too defensive, but I'm willing to go out on a limb about it.
Vote: Neruz
Thomith wrote:Town don't usually vote for no reasoning apart from in RVS, why would town vote for someone who they can't prove are scum? Wouldn't town want to find evidence before actually voting?
Yet, we're in RVS, somewhat. At this point, that slight scumread he has should be enough. You're just implicating him indirectly and starting to dig your own hole.
Voidedmafia wrote:Hmm, must've gotten names wrong.
I actually have original points against Neruz, not Thomith, sorry. So, you'd be right in that I'd be sheepvoting...IF I only used other's reasoning and didn't build off it iwith my own, which I clearly didn't do when I voted you. So, your reason for voting me is baseless until you can think of something better.
Voidedmafia wrote:
Daytalk is not normal here, and IIRC not a normal game mechanic. You can still see them in Themes (mini or large) and open games games and stuff, just not normals or newbies.
Rainbowdash wrote:Banshee wrote:If Evil Bullet is the jailkeeper, and Rainbowdash is scum, her claim is likely to get EB to use his power on her, thus controlling its use tonight and presenting WIFOM tomorrow. EB will rightly claim that he jailkept her, and RBD will proclaim that she is somehow semi-cleared by this.
Actually I do not want EB to target me, as I already said. I know a few town ponies probably have a good enough idea of why I didn't get killed given reactions yesterday and today.
hiphop wrote:And what is this about scum not having a group of 4, my last mini had 4 scum. Perfect win for town.(My only loss as scum ). Voided was one of my scum partners in that game.
llamarble wrote:Keep tunneling on me and maybe I WILL lynch you.
Banshee wrote:Can you provide examples of that last assertion? Because I think that's BS I've yet to see a scum make that request without any pressure on them. I don't believe I even have a vote on me at this point, despite your empty and pointless threats.
hiphop wrote:I find that generally people who try and succeed at leading the town, are most likely town
Voidedmafia wrote:Thomith wrote:Hey grey thanks for giving me my nightmare fuel.
VOTE: Parama because you modded and played in a game before this that i was in. Hiphop you're next.
and also i have on been scum 4 out of 7 games...
So that's a claim, huh?
In post 1728, Rainbowdash wrote:In post 1725, Evil Bullet wrote:Stop this wagon.
Ok.
unvote
@Elli, implosion and EB - Who do we lynch?