so I'm going to go ahead and guess that right now, we have 4 rules. Anyone think otherwise?
Mini 622 - Mind Screw Mafia - Das ist alles!
-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
vote: yos2'cause he's the only player here I've played with before.
so I'm going to go ahead and guess that right now, we have 4 rules. Anyone think otherwise?Now, life is civilized. Once there was a city, barbaric in its ways. Yet, they were an empire. But even before that, they were two brothers. They fought. Remus said ow, and it all began.-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
I'll vote on ssk, but someone else has to vote for me first to get it to work.
I would self-vote, but I have a gut feeling that might end up being a very bad idea- it might actually count for myself, and then all sorts of numbers would screw up.
granted, this gut feeling may just be the 6 week old cake I just ate.Now, life is civilized. Once there was a city, barbaric in its ways. Yet, they were an empire. But even before that, they were two brothers. They fought. Remus said ow, and it all began.-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
once we get the whole pattern figured out, I think I'm going to copy and paste it into my quote so that we'll have it fairly often.
AND
I just realized, we're going to have to do this every single day- every time one (or two or however many will actually die in a cycle) player dies, the whole list will either have to change so that it slides around those people, or the whole damn thing will reset.Now, life is civilized. Once there was a city, barbaric in its ways. Yet, they were an empire. But even before that, they were two brothers. They fought. Remus said ow, and it all began.-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
yeah, I started typing that long (10 seconds or so) before the pattern was figured out and announced...
that does make it slightly less of a hassleNow, life is civilized. Once there was a city, barbaric in its ways. Yet, they were an empire. But even before that, they were two brothers. They fought. Remus said ow, and it all began.-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
ebwop:
My lack of voting for the mod states my stance on this- until we have a rough idea otherwise, I don't think lynching the mod would workNow, life is civilized. Once there was a city, barbaric in its ways. Yet, they were an empire. But even before that, they were two brothers. They fought. Remus said ow, and it all began.-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
actually, I'm not terribly concerned about that IN THIS CONTEXT , I would rather have a night pass and then we all see what happens during the night, and THEN we decide whether or not to lynch the mod.Now, life is civilized. Once there was a city, barbaric in its ways. Yet, they were an empire. But even before that, they were two brothers. They fought. Remus said ow, and it all began.-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
I want to try something completely out of the blue on this, and before I do, I think I'd like some more opinion on this.
If the game works like normal mafia games, then more or less anything we say in bold is addressed to the mod, right?
could we, in theory (or actuallity, I s'pose), ask him, in bold font, if we got the voting system correct?Now, life is civilized. Once there was a city, barbaric in its ways. Yet, they were an empire. But even before that, they were two brothers. They fought. Remus said ow, and it all began.-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
I agree with iamausename on that count. That looks about as odd as the number 3. However, I am not entirely certain that he realized that that is what he was saying, as in a game where the mod is lynchable, then we would be getting something out of the lynch, though I do admit that it would be something useful to the town in all likelihood.Now, life is civilized. Once there was a city, barbaric in its ways. Yet, they were an empire. But even before that, they were two brothers. They fought. Remus said ow, and it all began.-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
I said that I understood the point that he may have been trying to make. I'm not terribly sure that that counts as defending him.Now, life is civilized. Once there was a city, barbaric in its ways. Yet, they were an empire. But even before that, they were two brothers. They fought. Remus said ow, and it all began.-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
wow, so has anyone else noticed that this is really not a game of mafia yet? I mean, we've done a bunch of mechanics checks, but that not really playing mafia, that's figuring out a possible way that the votecounting works. seeing as none of us really have any idea who's actually going to be lynched.
I think its time to play mafia again, instead of trying to figure out flavor. Flavor will come with the game, not be part of the game.
Thus, IFOS: NOCMENbecause I don't remember who I'm supposed to vote for to get my vote to show up on him, and because of his latest statement of trying to link quotes to names would be pretty much a mass claim. in the early game.Now, life is civilized. Once there was a city, barbaric in its ways. Yet, they were an empire. But even before that, they were two brothers. They fought. Remus said ow, and it all began.-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
right, but almost every game I've been in where I've had a name, the name made no real difference. However, you're insinuating that the names do indeed make a difference. this would mean that the names would actually have pertinent and currently hidden information involved with them. Thus, it is still a mass claim.
I also never said mass role claim. Any game that I've been in where the names made a difference from one to the next they amounted to the same thing. It was more or a let see how the name system works instead of a let's hunt scum.Now, life is civilized. Once there was a city, barbaric in its ways. Yet, they were an empire. But even before that, they were two brothers. They fought. Remus said ow, and it all began.-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
ok, I'm alright with the claims so far as Jex has it outlined. Yes, I'm fairly certain that my name comes in line with one of the quotes as well. Not entirely 'cause I don't know the source at all, though.Now, life is civilized. Once there was a city, barbaric in its ways. Yet, they were an empire. But even before that, they were two brothers. They fought. Remus said ow, and it all began.-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
I know that this is the standard logic argument, but Korts looks so strange and off the radar of townishness, that I can't help thinking that he's actually trying to get himself NKed. I mean, is there a role in mafia that wins like that? I know that the jester wins when he gets lynched, but does anyone win if they get NKed?
I mean, really, that's the only reason I can think of to ask for doc protection at night and NOT be willing to run a full claim.Now, life is civilized. Once there was a city, barbaric in its ways. Yet, they were an empire. But even before that, they were two brothers. They fought. Remus said ow, and it all began.-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
that would require two things-
Korts to not be lying, and for korts to have more or less continuous doc protection.Now, life is civilized. Once there was a city, barbaric in its ways. Yet, they were an empire. But even before that, they were two brothers. They fought. Remus said ow, and it all began.-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
mod, are all currently revealed rules immutable?
I just got a gut feeling that knowing whether or not our votes/ night actions will drop one person down may make a pretty big difference, and since I get the feeling that that would matter, I'd like to know.
The text of rules will not be changed unless absolutely necessary. If necessary, the change in the rules will be announced in the thread. I make no promises as to whether more rules may be added or removed. - TarNow, life is civilized. Once there was a city, barbaric in its ways. Yet, they were an empire. But even before that, they were two brothers. They fought. Remus said ow, and it all began.-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
vote: mafiaSSK(batt)
I'm against the mass claim because scum could have fake claims, and then that leaves the scum with far far more info than the town. That's just not really terribly sensible, and it seems to me like you might be trying to dig for info, especially seeing as Jenter's role had a little bit of game flavor in it- as someone pointed out that the rules to the game that he was from were to be kept hidden, and poof, now that he's dead, no longer hidden.Now, life is civilized. Once there was a city, barbaric in its ways. Yet, they were an empire. But even before that, they were two brothers. They fought. Remus said ow, and it all began.-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
I'm gonna with not necessarily confusing, but def not normal. And that made things a bit difficult to understand.Now, life is civilized. Once there was a city, barbaric in its ways. Yet, they were an empire. But even before that, they were two brothers. They fought. Remus said ow, and it all began.-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
Bat, I hadn't realized that Cavebear's vote was on you, I thought I was putting you at 2 votes for that.
And on your count that "I actually think you're scum"... Well, it could seem that way, as I do think you are the currently scummiest player. I've never seen a protown player advocate for a massclaim early in the game- for any reason. But by now, I'm beating a dead horse with this argument, since I've made it already before.Now, life is civilized. Once there was a city, barbaric in its ways. Yet, they were an empire. But even before that, they were two brothers. They fought. Remus said ow, and it all began.-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
unvoteNot that I don't find him suspicious. My computer broke, so I'll only be on sporadically. I don't want him to get lynched without me seeing if my vote still stands.
v/la for a few days, sorry.Now, life is civilized. Once there was a city, barbaric in its ways. Yet, they were an empire. But even before that, they were two brothers. They fought. Remus said ow, and it all began.-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
well, being a vt doesn't match with his softclaim from before. So that would in and of itself, give us information.Now, life is civilized. Once there was a city, barbaric in its ways. Yet, they were an empire. But even before that, they were two brothers. They fought. Remus said ow, and it all began.-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
just a semantical point here grimmy. Wouldn't it be worse if we say, broke his legs instead of him dying, and then proceeded on like that?
also, your bold tags didn't come out right.Now, life is civilized. Once there was a city, barbaric in its ways. Yet, they were an empire. But even before that, they were two brothers. They fought. Remus said ow, and it all began.-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
Mod- If Mafiassk truly does need one fewer vote to be lynch than standard, shouldn't he have a number of posts labeled rules infraction?
I cannot answer this question. - TarNow, life is civilized. Once there was a city, barbaric in its ways. Yet, they were an empire. But even before that, they were two brothers. They fought. Remus said ow, and it all began.-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
batt, you may want to reconsider that vote. Grimmy is the player now playing mushers spot, and we can still vote outside the game.Now, life is civilized. Once there was a city, barbaric in its ways. Yet, they were an empire. But even before that, they were two brothers. They fought. Remus said ow, and it all began.-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
voting grimmy, since musher was replaced out, will vote whoever voting musher would have voted for.
Ding ding ding! We have a WINNER! - TarNow, life is civilized. Once there was a city, barbaric in its ways. Yet, they were an empire. But even before that, they were two brothers. They fought. Remus said ow, and it all began.-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
I think this has to be the fastest-shrinking game I've ever been in.
Also, that whole thing about the nuclear missile kill...
I think that may have just been solved as to the how.Now, life is civilized. Once there was a city, barbaric in its ways. Yet, they were an empire. But even before that, they were two brothers. They fought. Remus said ow, and it all began.-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
also, we couldn't see the first set of new rules, maybe whoever has to die for us to see this one hasn't died yet?Now, life is civilized. Once there was a city, barbaric in its ways. Yet, they were an empire. But even before that, they were two brothers. They fought. Remus said ow, and it all began.-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
I'm gonna go ahead and take a stab at Iam's role- he's supposed to lynch the survivor?
mind screw was definately the proper name for this game.Now, life is civilized. Once there was a city, barbaric in its ways. Yet, they were an empire. But even before that, they were two brothers. They fought. Remus said ow, and it all began.-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
actually, Iam, your entire argument for this makes me think that you do NOT have the town win condition as your win condition. Just about the only thing that is clear in my role is my win condition. It does indicate that it only cares about the town WC, and not anyone elses. Thus, I feel compelled tovote: remussaidow(I think that's who it has to be to hit Iam) for Iam's display of not knowing the town win condition (as far as my role's town win condition is concerned) and thus showing non-town behavior.Now, life is civilized. Once there was a city, barbaric in its ways. Yet, they were an empire. But even before that, they were two brothers. They fought. Remus said ow, and it all began.-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
uh, mod...I'd like to call your attention to post 390, please. I believe that I am voting.
Gah, missed it. Vote Count repaired. - TarNow, life is civilized. Once there was a city, barbaric in its ways. Yet, they were an empire. But even before that, they were two brothers. They fought. Remus said ow, and it all began.-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
I'm not sure. The standard win condition Tar just posted, if held by a scum player, might give the indication that the town's WC would be different, but then as a lyncher, he'd most definately have a non standard win condition.Now, life is civilized. Once there was a city, barbaric in its ways. Yet, they were an empire. But even before that, they were two brothers. They fought. Remus said ow, and it all began.-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
and it says vote below, not vote above. Jex has a vote on nocmen right now, not me.
And why do you think that I'm scum?Now, life is civilized. Once there was a city, barbaric in its ways. Yet, they were an empire. But even before that, they were two brothers. They fought. Remus said ow, and it all began.-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
well. I was saying if there is correlation of names to role, then we can use that information as townies to helps us in our scum hunting. HOWEVER this does not suggest the use of a mass claim. The two are mutually exclusive. Individual claims on days when multiple lynches seem possible, and hell desirable (meaning you want to be able to lynch two people, but since only one will be lynched...) we can use the name claims to determine more information about them then. Mass amounts of information that's just handed to the scum is not a good thing.Now, life is civilized. Once there was a city, barbaric in its ways. Yet, they were an empire. But even before that, they were two brothers. They fought. Remus said ow, and it all began.-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
Iam, I'm saying your not town becuase you displayed a lack of knowledge of the town's win condition. I'm not entirely sure that that makes you scum, but it does mean that you're not allied with the town.
Also, there are other, non-scum non-town factions that can exist. They are anti town (since they don't share the town win condition) and thus eventually need to be lynched.Now, life is civilized. Once there was a city, barbaric in its ways. Yet, they were an empire. But even before that, they were two brothers. They fought. Remus said ow, and it all began.-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
Because faction refers to a group of people, where as a survivor is only one. Thus, Yos, as a survivor, is not a faction, by definition. Thus him winning via surviving does not affect the town in the slightest.iamausername wrote:
I was told that, for the town to win, all other factions must die. Yosarian admitted that he was not aligned with the town. I don't see how it's so difficult to understand the leap I made there.Now, life is civilized. Once there was a city, barbaric in its ways. Yet, they were an empire. But even before that, they were two brothers. They fought. Remus said ow, and it all began.-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
an SK can prevent the town from being the only GROUP left because he can kill one of the group every night. So the town couldn't win until the SK was dead.Now, life is civilized. Once there was a city, barbaric in its ways. Yet, they were an empire. But even before that, they were two brothers. They fought. Remus said ow, and it all began.-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here
I've already argued against this point, if you still want to believe (falsely) that I think the town can win with the SK alive, that's your problem.Now, life is civilized. Once there was a city, barbaric in its ways. Yet, they were an empire. But even before that, they were two brothers. They fought. Remus said ow, and it all began.-
-
remussaidow Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 743
- Joined: January 11, 2007
- Location: Here