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btw @Mastina I'm looking at my notes page now and it occurs to me that if scum bought 2-shot AD as I believe they did, then that scum has 350 left, so if you want to outbid that scum you have to bid 350 before they doShe/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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Oh shit I didn't realize thisIn post 1339, Something_Smart wrote:I don't have a ton of time right now, but a few important things to point out:
- Watcher is a very strong power, arguably the strongest in the game. But it gets better as the game goes on, and I was in no danger of dying at night. So it is entirely reasonable to put 500 on it and then not use it immediately. (And I was not afraid of being blocked by imaginality, unless he was scum. I would assume that he knows to save it until one scum remains.)
- Mastina, I applause your game sense if you were available to predict both the N2 and N3 kills; I don't have that, and I hadn't even been in the game very long. I didn't expect to be able to predict the N2 kill, which turned out to be accurate, because Distance was my strongest scumread.
-Ninja doesn't make watcher useless; in fact, knowing who has the ninja makes the ninja useless. If I see someone die and nobody visited them, that's just as much a guilty on VFP as if I saw anyone else visit.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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Why to not use it: you have no powers to hide if you're town, so using it provides no benefit to youIn post 1338, VFP wrote:
Why not?In post 1336, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:VFP, why did you use the Ninja power last night and why bother announcing it this morning?
VOTE: VFP
Why to not declare you used it: there is no town reason to use the power, as stated above, so declaring you used it right away looks like trying to preempt any results a tracker/watcher might claim.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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Who do you think tries to kill S&M N3? Not necessarily who would perform the action, but who has motive to have the scumteam kill them?In post 1340, Something_Smart wrote:
The NK, obviously. They were one of my top townreads, they're both strong players, and they had money unaccounted for.In post 1335, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:What were you hoping to find when you chose to watch S&MShe/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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I think it's possible S_S is truthful here, meaning either Distance or living scum bought Cop. In either scenario it makes sense to try to kill or jail conftown marci to stop her from digging distance and further confirming herself.
I had a thought:
Scum!mastina buying JK, jailing Marci to prevent the dig, and the team no-killing is not out of the realm of possibility here, as it puts the game to evens right before mlimlo, and dodges any tracker/watcher guilties. However, if the daykill had appeared and we were at 7 instead of 8 today, we would be in mlimlo, assuming scum had the money to buy daykill. So I think anyone else that is having that paranoia on mastina should consider that if daykill appeared and scum killed last night, we would be in a bad spot.
I think Marci was probably targeted for the kill for her reads, or because scum was afraid of the dig going through. Unless the team is exactly Marci/mastina, scum!marci can just claim she dug distance and he had the cop. Then all town would believe he cleared her based on his "meta dive" crumb.
If the team is marci/mastina, this claim brings more towncred to mastina in preparation for mlimlo.
We cant lim S_S today, as scum will have to choose between killing him or risking him catching the killer toNight. Roleblock can no longer clear anyone with an unknown 2-shot hitman on the loose, so mechanically it's fine to lim Imaginality today. I think limming in VFP/Imaginality is best today, preferably VFP by dayplay.
Town!Mastina is the only one that can outbid scum for tracker today, assuming scum bought 2-shot.AD
Actually I feel quite strongly that scum bought 2-shot AD and as I wrote it out, only mastina and marci can afford that.
Town!Dogecoin balances
Gamma - 1
Mastina - 350
S&M - 0
Kyouko - 74
S_S - 0
Imaginality - 90
Marcistar - 275
VFP - 0
Scum have 300 more than that and 2-shot AD went for 450. Meaning only town with 150 town!coins can afford to have bought 2-shot AD.
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Also the killing patterns throughout the nights suggest scum is content to let town tear each other apart, so if it is not mastina, Gamma is scum with Marci. More likely it is mastina/Gamma I think and mastina is positioning for mlimloShe/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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Oh idk, I think no kill is generally good especially in a deepwolf situation, so I'm inclined to see it that way when it seems like we have at least 1 deepwolf rnShe/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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Meh, I'm not sure about mastina tbh. I just realized there are worlds where scum!S&M can buy both ADs, thirdscum can be just about anyone and they can still afford 200 for tracker, then S&M can announce the tracker result and appear to be town that bought 1-shot AD and Tracker. I dont think this happened, but it could have. So I realize voting based on bids doesnt really make sense. Any scum could be mixing and matching claims to make things appear differently to town trying to solve by numbers.
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As I've said before, reading his iso looks like I'm reading a commentator filling dead air. They've also been opportunistic toward voting me a couple of times this game. To my recollection, they haven't made any of their own pushes and haven't ever been at the center of the game.
Scum are content to let town tear each other apart this game:
S&M vs. Me
Mastina vs. VFP
Scum!VFP could easily kill mastina I think. This game has really been lacking any solving. The more I think about the play and not the bids I think it has to be GammaShe/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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I felt like they wouldn't want to let town get both ADs and Watcher, that's a lot of investigative power. Maybe they tried to get some of it and failed though, or maybe one of them had to buy cop early on, so they couldn't afford to takeaway much more and still have the funds for daykillIn post 1355, Something_Smart wrote:
Why is that?In post 1348, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Actually I feel quite strongly that scum bought 2-shot ADShe/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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I dont think you've pushed for Imaginality any more than you've pushed for anyone else in this game. Why are they scum?In post 1359, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I voted imaginality in my first post today so I don’t think this is entirely a fair representationIn post 1356, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:As I've said before, reading his iso looks like I'm reading a commentator filling dead air. They've also been opportunistic toward voting me a couple of times this game. To my recollection, they haven't made any of their own pushes and haven't ever been at the center of the game.
Scum are content to let town tear each other apart this game:
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Mastina vs. VFP
Scum!VFP could easily kill mastina I think. This game has really been lacking any solving. The more I think about the play and not the bids I think it has to be GammaShe/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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Oh I misread, all of the other midday bids were the same as the final bids and I mistakenly thought JK went for 150She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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Reread the quoted post, and relax lmaoIn post 1368, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
this is an outright lieIn post 1354, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I just realized there are worlds where scum!S&M can buy both ADs, thirdscum can be just about anyone and they can still afford 200 for tracker, then S&M can announce the tracker result and appear to be town that bought 1-shot AD and Tracker. I dont think this happened, but it could have. So I realize voting based on bids doesnt really make sense. Any scum could be mixing and matching claims to make things appear differently to town trying to solve by numbers.
1-shot Auction Detective 300
2-shot Auction Detective 450
Tracker is 200
total is 950
scum start with 800 so its impossible for me to buy both ADs and Tracker
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Oh I see from pronoun usage it is unclear upon reread. By "they" I mean the third scum. I also dont think that is what happened
What I'm saying is that, even with the info we have, it isn't enough to catch any scum by looking at auction prices directly, as they are able to mix and match their purchases if needed to make the numbers line up.
What I'm saying is we need to look at dayplay and see Gamma has been sidelining the whole game. He's not offering anything original, I dont think he's scumhunting so much as he's just following the flow of others' pushes, and it's pretty easy to see it by just reading his ISO.
I also think that Distancr and Marci as kills point towards a player like Gamma and the only other sideliney player like that is S_S. I think S_S makes sense as a partner to Gamma as well - the game just really points that way. Gamma also shares some of your reads (Imaginality / VFP theory), so you might consider that he's hiding behind youShe/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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I think town!mastina debunks that though but still I think we are in mlimlo so can we not rush this? I think now that auctions are done it's majority lim, not plurality.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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No matter what we elim S_S or Gamma today. I saw Marci suggest she feels better about limming me but there is 50-50 shot at scum in thereShe/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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So my notes were really thinking mastina was scum, so her flip kinda trashes what I had to say for the most part.
S_S, why did you choose to watch Mastina?She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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Unfortunately due to the way plurality works, once it is 2:2 unless the 2 townies speedpile onto the scum before the scum speedpile onto a townie, the scum win the plurality by getting to the tie vote first. Then at night, if town oim scum, they still have a kill and its 1:1. Even with plurality in place I think today is still mlimlo unless Imaginality is town and still has his roleblock. Which for now should be kept private infoIn post 1399, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:Actually, it looks like I’m wrong. Apparently scum has the kill all of the townies - one way or the other. I was telling Pooky in discord, I don’t think we win this, now I actually have hope.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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This is interesting to me because I could have sworn I recently asked a similar question regarding a jailkeeper and a voyeur and was told the voyeur would see actions that targeted the jailkept target. I think another player answered though and not a mod so I'll pm the mod about this. Jailkeeper should not make the target ascetic though, just block the kill, so if I had tried to visit her with a kill I think you should have seen it.In post 1403, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
I think we bid 365 and didn’t get it. We spent everything on 1 shot AD=300 + 1 shot tracker=200.In post 1401, marcistar wrote:do u remember what the claims for bidding on cop were? i could only find 2 claims but im not sure if theres more
Speaking of, Gypyx just informed me that my “inno” on Kyouku was meaningless if he actually visited you.
I think it’s Kitty/Gamma/Kyouku.
Kyouku could push Gamma because prior to SS guilty, I tr him, so he was never in any danger.
Mastina kill confirms Marci town and probably was the intended NK, so us/SS/Marci=all town.
Also just because you TRed Gamma doesnt affect how much danger he is in. It only took 3 to lim yesterDay. Pretending that my push on Gamma was not genuine or was not intended to get him eliminated is just incorrect.
If Distance won 2-shot AD it looks pretty likely that Cupcake won doc, and possibly flea won cop.In post 1407, marcistar wrote:
tytyIn post 1403, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:I think we bid 365 and didn’t get it. We spent everything on 1 shot AD=300 + 1 shot tracker=200.
im trying to use all my brain power to figure out numbers and whats more likely do you think distance couldve won 2shot ad?
If gamma is town and mastina wasn't lying about the range she won JK for to try to deceive scum, then 301 definitely outbids town.In post 1437, imaginality wrote:On a different note, the 301 bid for hitman. I think there are two possible scenarios:
1. Gamma is scum and bid that much, and other scum has 300 or less remaining (otherwise I think they'd bid higher) and Gamma either didn't notice that people would notice the 499+301=800 or thought a "scum are framing me" excuse would work
2. Gamma is town and scum bid 301 to likely win it while framing Gamma
JK was one shot... it's possible Marci performed the kill because most people seemed to either TR her independently or accept that Distance crumbed an inno on her. That would also result in no kill.In post 1438, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
She claimed a jk on Marci and there was no kill yesterday.In post 1434, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:So my notes were really thinking mastina was scum, so her flip kinda trashes what I had to say for the most part.
S_S, why did you choose to watch Mastina?
Scum obviously wants to kill Marci and can’t if Mastina continues to jk her.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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This is a good reason for S_S/Marci to kill DistanceIn post 1442, Something_Smart wrote:
Well, it's possible that he didn't want scum to know he'd spent most of his money.In post 1423, marcistar wrote:im thinking deeply of this tho, why wouldn't distance have just straight up claim the inno on me then..? cop only 1 shot, he has no reason to hide his action from us.
But yeah I'm not at all convinced that he really did have the cop;it was just the first thing that came to mind when I read how confident he was in you being town. It's a possibility, but not the only one.
Why was she clearly town? I'm town and from looking at the VFP flip and the auction claims it seemed clear to me she was scum. I feel it would be difficult to have the same info as me on the numbers and still consider mastina town. It is odd that you 1) did not use your watcher ability when there was a seemingly obvious kill (sheeping mastina on this as I didnt think it was obvious at the time, but I now know there was no malicious intent), 2) failed to watch the obvious target 2 Nights ago, and 3) watched a less obvious target who looked like scum after the VFP flip last Night, AND happened to see Gamma visiting. I find it odd to think that Gamma would perform the kill as his potential partners, if you are town, are all more TRed than him and would be less likely to be tracked or roleblocked.In post 1443, Something_Smart wrote:In post 1434, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:S_S, why did you choose to watch Mastina?She was clearly townand (essentially) confirmed to have the tracker.
You had the 1-shot tracker but mastina won the 2-shot yesterday unless someone else bid 200 before she did. She claimed to be the one bidding 200 at midday, and it was won for 200.In post 1448, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
You mean jk, we had the tracker.In post 1443, Something_Smart wrote:
She was clearly town and (essentially) confirmed to have the tracker.In post 1434, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:S_S, why did you choose to watch Mastina?
This is also something that S_S says if partnered with Marci. Imo from a town pov it only made sense to see mastina as scum after seeing the flip and the bids yesterDay. All signs pointed to marcistar being shot last night. Yet, not only was she not shot, S_S did not watch her. Likely because he is partnered with her.In post 1449, Something_Smart wrote:
I do agree with this sentiment-- if you're trying to base logic on assumptions, you'd better understand that the logic is only as valid as the assumptions are.In post 1444, imaginality wrote:I just hate the assumptions being made
That said, we should be taking some things on probability.All things considered, marci looks pretty likely to be town, so it's probably better to just accept the loss in the rare case where she isn't than to continue to worry about her.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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In post 1452, imaginality wrote:
If you flip town, scum use their hitman power.In post 1445, Gamma Emerald wrote:yes
I'm talking about rb because I'm hoping they can block the scum NK tonight
What's your view on who won the hitman power if not you?
Lmao, only answer is Marci after the mastina flip. Wait a minute.In post 1454, Gamma Emerald wrote:not sure
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Oh you're right yeah... I think? Yeah, gamma or Marci could have it. Hmm thought I had somethingIn post 1494, Something_Smart wrote:In post 1486, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Marci is confscum fmpov unless S_S is bussing Gamma
Couldn't Gamma have it?In post 1487, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Nobody else can afford hitman after seeing mastina flipShe/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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No, I was just really in the mindset that 301 was a bid made by scum!marci to frame you in a marci/mastina team and wasn't looking at my notes on the auction amounts when I posted that cuz I was on the toilet.In post 1497, Gamma Emerald wrote:feels like kyouko just slipped that I'm townShe/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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Interesting point to note is Gamma/Marci could have bought both Hitman and the 2-shot AD for 450. If that were the case, Marci would have only had 75 left after AD and would not have been able to outbid on Tracker. By killing mastina and buying hitman, it allows scum to scoop up hitman to dodge the roleblock, and kill the tracker to prevent investigations.
In this situation, Gamma performs the kill using Hitman so that if Imaginality blocks him, it appears to Imaginality that he has an inno on Gamma. Imaginality may block Gamma in this situation because Ima was voting Gamma at EoD. Gamma can even claim to be being framed by Marci, and on the red flip, it may appear that marci is scum that tried to frame Gamma by paying 301 for the hitman. There's a lot of towncred to be had in bussing D1, not moving off of the wagon onto later confirmed to be town, and then getting "framed" by flipped scum!Marci in mlimlo.
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Consider this also though: Tracker was not obscured yesterDay at the end because scum wanted to know who won it. This points to town!Marci because the only town!player that could outbid Mastina was Marci. By not obscuring, they could see clearly who won Tracker.
If we consider that S_S is town here then maybe scum didn't believe S_S holstered the first Night and thought he was out of shots. Otherwise they should have obscured tracker and 50-50ed between Mastina/Marci so that S_S would have a lower chance of Watching the correct target. Was that post by S&M about the jailkeeper continuing to protect Marci a slip? did scumteam of S&M/Gamma think Mastina would be able to jail again so they bought hitman and killed Mastina with it?She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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I think also they tried to get me limmed a couple of times since I was MO and they just couldn't pull it off. Nobody else bit I think.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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1-shot cop [redacted] - Distance or Flea, likely Distance. Scum thought Flea would cop S&M so aimed there.
2-shot Doctor - 250 - Flea?
1-shot Roleblocker - 410 - Imaginality
1-shot Hitman - 426 - Kyouko
1-shot AD - 300 - S&M
2-shot AD - 450 - CB?
2-shot Gravedigger - 225 - Marcistar
2-shot Watcher - 500 - S_S
1-Shot Godfather - 499 - Gamma
1-Shot Tracker - 200 - S&M
2-shot Ninja - 500 - VFP
1-Shot JK - [redacted] (201-299 by claim, likely 300 based on next day's bids) - Mastina
2-Shot Tracker - 200 - Mastina
1-Shot Neighborizer - 90 - Imaginality/Gamma/S_S (Can be Gamma or S_S if Imaginality is the one with Hitman, but this is unnecessary because Hitman is only needed to avoid town!Imaginality's roleblock, and could otherwise have outbid on tracker and redacted Hitman)
2-shot Neighborizer - 0
2-shot Hitman - Gamma/Marci/S_S (Only Marci if she is scum with S_S. I don't think there is a world where Marci and S_S team chooses for Marci to buy both Watcher and Gravedigger on the same day as both ADs and let town get both ADs. She was widely TRed but it's a risky play. If they did take this risk though, S_S can still have Hitman, but unlikely that scum!S_S fakes a guilty on town!Gamma while holding Hitman when town!Imaginality is still around)
Hitman was only needed because Imaginality still has roleblocker. Aside from that, I TR him by play and am clearing him, leaving the last 4: Gamma, S_S, Marci, and S&M
There is assuredly scum in Gamma, S_S. Gamma's plausible partner is S&M and S_S's plausible partner is Marci.
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{Gamma, S_S} - If this is the case then S_S and Gamma are probably swapped in what they purchased and S_S is now bussing while holding Hitman so that he can get a false inno if he is roleblocked toNight. This I don't see as very likely. No need to fake a guilty on your partner when you can fake it on some other town.
{Gamma, S&M} - This one I think is the most likely. I've scumread both of them at various points throughout the game. I was convinced to change my mind on S&M eventually, and if Gamma bought Hitman he can still be with anyone else, but I think S&M was just bullshitting a case on me D2 and never satisfactorily explained themselves. I had to let it go because nobody would listen and a lot of people were saying it was TvT, but I'm not entirely convinced now. I feel like whenever they would vote me, Gamma would follow suit, and possibly vice versa. Maybe I'm remembering wrong on the vice versa though. They also both push the {VFP, Imaginality, Kyouko} POE. S&M has Gamma as a high TR for being on the D1 wagon I think, but if you read Gamma's ISO there's no other reason to have him that high and there is never paranoia from S&M about him, despite it being there about Imaginality who was also on the D1 wagon.
{S_S, Marci} - Marci I TR by play mostly, occasionally having suspicions. However convenient it would be for S_S to claim dead cop!Distance has an Inno on his partner, I do not think it is necessary given how widely TRed Marci has been all game. I think I'm just seeing associations where there are none and Marci is conftown by cop inno which just leaves Gamma as the Hitman, unless S_S is bussing him and their claims are actually swapped. This is convoluted though and only makes sense if they have future information on the rolesand claims that are coming, so I don't think this is the case.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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Gypyx replied to me. I can't quote him but you can all send him the same question I did to confirm if you like.
The question is along the lines of:
what happens in this situation?
X tracks Y
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Does X receive 'no result' or 'Y visits Z' (I actually asked him if 'Y didn't go anywhere' because I didn't go anywhere all game and that is what was on my mind)
And Gypyx told me X would see Y visiting Z. But S&M said I didn't go anywhere/
S&M lied about their soft Inno (not hard because there are still 2 scum alive) on me being an "inno" based on Marci being jailed by Mastina the night S&M saw me go nowhere.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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Town doesn't do this in mlimlo. If you're town you know S_S is lying scum and you vote for him. You theorize all you want about who could be his partner as you're likely the NK, or if S_S is bussing you, you want to appear as though you expect to he NKed. But town you doesn't vote anywhere but S_SIn post 1538, Gamma Emerald wrote:
this was why I voted ssbm initiallyIn post 1534, imaginality wrote:I can see Gamma + ssbm if Gamma flips scum, but can also see SS + ssbm
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Btw, regarding checking S&M: they can still have hitman if Gamma bought the 1-shot AD and relayed his result to S&M in the PT. Role blocking S&M is not a clear. The only player that cant have hitman now is S_S unless he and Gamma swapped claims. Nobody can be cleared because anyone could have bought hitman if scum, and even if it is unlikely that S_S or S&M swapped claims, it could have happened.
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I have the 1-shot hitman from d1 still. By your own admission you tracked me and saw me go nowhere when Marci has jailed. If I were scum and not on Marci's team I would have used my strongman that night to shoot through jailkeeper.
But yes, I have only spent 426 so scum!me has the money to have bought the 2-shot hitman as well.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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Damn this was to be expected I guessIn post 1567, Gypyx wrote:Night 5 has ended...
imaginality has died, he wasVanilla Townie
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You should ask the mod again in more clear terms if you still think your track on me doesnt clear me of having visited MarciIn post 1569, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
Yes but I asked the mod, if that was actually valid if you visited Marci and he said it wasn’t. Iow, my “inno” is null and void if you visited Marci. I figured when I saw this post, you were planning to NK Imaginality and frame us.In post 1564, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I have the 1-shot hitman from d1 still. By your own admission you tracked me and saw me go nowhere when Marci has jailed. If I were scum and not on Marci's team I would have used my strongman that night to shoot through jailkeeper.
But yes, I have only spent 426 so scum!me has the money to have bought the 2-shot hitman as well.
VOTE: Kyouku
And don’t insult our intelligence here. You didn’t use the hitman because you obviously didn’t think you needed it. You’re not clear, the mod confirmed that and SS knows 100% this is my obvtown meta here as did Mastina who had me as her #1 tr.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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I've been doing a lot of rereading though and I actually think Marci could be the last scum here. I have a lot of notes to post. What I noticed on a reread about S&M/Gamma is S&M always acts first. So I think the strategy from Gamma was to hide behind town!S&M as a sheep and earn their TR by just following their votes and echoing.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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I understand that, but what they said originally indicates that they asked the mod about the situation and Gypyx told them they would have received a different result if the JK did not happen. I asked the mod the same question and was told they would have received the result they originally claimed. Shocker, because I didn't visit Marci.In post 1576, Something_Smart wrote:
It doesn't matter, I don't think. If Gamma tried to kill Marci that night, S&M wouldn't have seen ssbm go anywhere, so it's not a hard inno.In post 1574, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:You should ask the mod again in more clear terms if you still think your track on me doesnt clear me of having visited Marci
It's more about making sure they understand, so they no longer have an excuse to talk about it as a point against me. Because, like on D2, their current push on me feels disingenuous, so if I can force town!them to understand that the reason they have is incorrect, they should back down. Scum would also back down I think because objectively their reasoning is disproven, but if they continue to ignore what I am saying about their result on me, it makes me think they are scum again, as this is reminiscent of the beginnings of the fight we had on D2. To summarize that, we continuously wallposted each other and I had to repeat the same question something like 3-4 times before they would answer it, and when they did answer me, it wasn't really an answer you could say answered my question entirely. More like they intentionally avoided parts of my question because again, at that time, I was wording it in a specific way so that scum!them would have no choice but to admit they were disingenuous about the original reason they were pushing me.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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You would let S&M decide here?In post 1577, Something_Smart wrote:Also, sorry to do this, but I thought the day would start much sooner. I'm going V/LA staring about 9 hours from this post and lasting about 4 days. So, either I have to figure out what to do with my vote before then, or we have to ask the mod for an extension.
Honestly, the best thing might just be to not vote, and request that ssbm and marci crossvote and let S&M decide. I think S&M has at least as good a chance of getting it right as I do, and probably a better one.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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Does this read as TMI or WIFOM? I'm thinking TMI.In post 1118, Gamma Emerald wrote:That’s my bid, and here’s the thing with it.I was expecting Kitty to not have actually been able to snag the cop based on thread presence, which would explain why that result was obscured.As such I was thinking scum probably wanted the GF, and wanted to scalp them for it. I left myself one Doge in order to take a power that seemed like it shouldn’t get left behind but was going to. Another point to what I’m doing is that I’m showing I have most of my money intact with the bid.
In addition I think it was smarter for me to bid on a pro-scum role given my largely townread status. Bidding on a PR that’s useful for town adds the risk of getting NKed and wasting that role. Instead I played to hold something scum might want back.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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I think the point is to do what I did on D1 and claim the bid so that scum has no reason to shoot him if he is town. It sets him up to explain why he isn't dead yet.In post 1585, Something_Smart wrote:Hm. It's probably TMI, especially since Gamma took the godfather, which doesn't make any sense for him to do if he knows the cop is buried.
At the time he placed that bid though, there were still a lot of town players that could outbid him for Dayvig. If I were his partner, neither of us would have the money to buy dayvig, and it would be likely to appear d4 if we wanted that. The same is true of you (S_S). Unless Gamma and S&M swapped their bids on tracker, it is also true of them. It would be... bold, to do that and immediately claim a tracker result without a watcher claim in the open, as that scumteam would know town bought the watcher, and it is risky to claim a result on the MO if town has the watcher.
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Amongst the dead in the reread I dont see a lot ofconfidencein Marci town either. A lot of players have her as town, but it seems like everyone "sort of" thinks she's town, or does not think she is scum, and is trusting in the group consensus. I thinks he fits more convincingly with Gamma than S&M, but S&M was so adamant about Gamma being town this game and I don't see any good reasoning posted.
In fact it looks like there is a lot of gloating going on between them, and S&M even at one point says "if Gamma was scum I'd know, because I just recently partnered with him."
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It is demonstrable that everyone had reason to kill Imaginality last night.In post 1589, marcistar wrote:
if i was scum i wouldn't have killed imaginality there.In post 1575, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I've been doing a lot of rereading though and I actually think Marci could be the last scum here.
didnt do much bidding, just my 225 gravedigger and then i attempted for 2 shot hitman with 275
i think its just ssbm_kyouko here i dont think its smoke, and im pretty sure something_smart got rbed last night
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Smoke and I are not targets because we're butting heads like mastina and VFP were. S_S is not a target for anyone but you because they can be seen as bussing at end of day yesterday. The only upside for you is his townflip makes his assessment of Distance's cop crumb more convincing, which reinforces that Kitty did not get Cop.
After rereading the game I am confident they were not bussing and the watcher is real though. That only leaves Imaginality, who claimed to have roleblocker and to be trying to save it for when 1 scum was left, so anyone would want to kill him.
Also, your bidding history is just scummy. No bids on cop or doctor, no attempt to take any role away from scum D1 like Imaginality and I did.
D2, you bid modestly on GD and didnt attempt for any of the strong town roles with the rest of your stack, when at midday, you could have afforded some of them.
D3 you make no takeaway bids, and no attempts to buy a stronger town PR like Tracker or JK.
D4 now you claim to be going for a takeaway bid, when the town power on the table is even stronger than on previous days.
Obviously you were hoarding money to buy dayvig. Not a good look for you to vote me here either when I've been your townbeard the whole game.
Tell me this: why does Gamma try to kill you on N3 if I am his partner? S&M saw me go nowhere. I have Hitman, so I would have used it to blast through JK either on me or my target. No sense in using it early on when it is unlikely for doctor to guess the scum target.
Also if I were scum, then hitman showed up the last day by design. That would line up with me using hitman the night prior. I would need to refill my shots. And yet, I didnt use hitman because there was no kill, because you're scum, and you tried to kill someone, probably Imaginality, on N3, because he had roleblocker to stop a kill. That would have pointed Gamma and S&Ms POE at me and VFP as well, because they were pushing 2 scum in {VFP, Imaginality, Kyouko} Mastina was also pushing VFP hard with Imaginality as a possible partner. This could have shifted mastina to pushing VFP and I as partners, which is what her top townread S&M would also have been pushing.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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D1 I bid 426 on hitman after midday update
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I was posting from the toilet and didnt wanna iso gypyx for the millionth time. I had just checked my pt to see where I did my 52-22 split, as i thought i did it the other way around, with 52 on GD and 22 on ADShe/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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It wasn't about proving I didnt have 301, but about showing I'd spent 500. Also I spent a good amount of time in the Night phase obsessing over the numbers. These are my notes from that night
Marci dies tonight. If S_S dies, Marci/Mastina is team. Mastina announced Tracker 200. Scum would need to outbid this. No matter who is scum, they can afford to outbid mastina. Instead, they bought the useless hitman at 301 to shade gamma
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