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wow. a busy day...
verb - now that ssk has replaced in, have you moved your vote because it was no longer on what you considered the weakest player? do you now consider the molester the weakest player? or have you moved your vote because of your suspicion of molester? I'm just trying to figure out if the 'weakest player' bit had any validity to it, or if you ONLY picked that player becuase he/she had not yet confirmed. therefore was useful in your presentation of your 'plan', which in reality was just a mechanic to spark discussion.Show-sekinj
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how can you say these two lines one right after each other? Please choose A OR B belowgateway wrote:Trust me I think Verbosity is blowing wind, and stirring up more trouble then they are worth, but still I am going on the vote that they are townie.
With that said though, and the fact Verbosity has us focused on someone we shouldn't, we might as well make Verbosity the day one lynch.
A) Verb is a zealous townie
B) Verb is the scummiest person today
It can't be both as you seem to think in the above quote.Show-sekinj
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You could tell after just 2 posts? *blush* It takes most people the whole game to figure that outVerbosity wrote:You're probably the smartest player in this game.Show-sekinj
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I'd like an answer from gateway before I vote him.Verbosity wrote:Sekinj: Why are you not voting? Surely there's enough information to scrounge a vote from, and the random voting stage is well over with.
Those voting Gateway: Why do you think that his play is indicative of scum, rather than stupid?
gateway may be inexperienced on mafiascum, but I can't give him a free pass for that.Show-sekinj
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I guess he isn't going to answer me...
Gateway: You cannot vote for a player you think is town, no matter if it is Day 1 or not. mafiascum townies don't put other townies on the chopping block except by mistake.
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yeah, I certainly didn't see that response, since my question involved an A and B choice. The structure of my question was important, and equally important is your refusal to follow that structure. The structure was to demonstrate that both cannot be true. Your answer demonstrates that you are still sitting the fence, and had you vote on someone you thougth as a townie. you only removed it when you got pressure for it.Show-sekinj
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^ @gateway
just because you have replied doesn't mean your answer is satisfactory or that is absolves you.Show-sekinj
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no, sitting the fence IS NOT townie. I think you were attempting to get verb lynched, and still be able to come back tomorrow and defend yourself when he flipped town.
I asked you a simple question with an A and B answer. you could not provide that answer. which shows you think it is okay to vote for a townie. that is scummy.Show-sekinj
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Please explain again how it can possibly be both.sekinj from post 59 wrote:A) Verb is a zealous townie
B) Verb is the scummiest person todayShow-sekinj
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I've never played in a game that I received a safe claim in my pm... so no, I actually don't know exactly how they work... and didn't consider them before my unvote.MafiaSSK wrote:
You don't know about safeclaims?sekinj wrote:unvote
I severly doubt gateway could have made up that role.Show-sekinj
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@arch - no, I do not think that someone who does answer my a or b is scummy. But, in THIS case my structure had a specific point. I was showing gateway that it was not possible to be both at the same time. If you see later, he DID finally understand my questions and answer it. he was either missing it, skipping it, or misunderstanding it before that. He said he thought my question was the same as the dice question, which was not case.Show-sekinj
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If gateway's claim was fake, don't you think he would have been a little more anxious to spill it? expecially given his demonstrable lack of mafiascum experience?
gateway - you are saying that you get two names and one of them definitely IS scum... or you are given two names and it is possible that they are both innocent?Show-sekinj
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See? gateway does not even understand the concept of a fakeclaim. If he actually received one in his role PM, i don't think he could play this ignorant.Show-sekinj
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Did your role PM not contain the 'term' or name of your role? it only contained a description?gateway wrote:Still learning popular terms, but whatever the word is you have for that role, that is what I am. Not a cop, like a semi one I suppose.Show-sekinj
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Disagree. For example: what if someone is cop? it is best to keep that info quiet as long as possible, in the best interests of the town.Panzerjager wrote:EBWOP: Verbosity, witholding info from the town is anti-town.
Also, have you done a meta on all the other players, then? it seems like you would have had too in order to care so much about verb's alt.Show-sekinj
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I think this is a key point (if I say so myself). Has anyone ever received a role PM for any mafiascum game that DID NOT have the name of the role? Specifically, MY role PM for THIS game had my role name in bold. I can't imagine that gateway's did not, yet he says he doesn't know the 'term' for the role....sekinj wrote:
Did your role PM not contain the 'term' or name of your role? it only contained a description?gateway wrote:Still learning popular terms, but whatever the word is you have for that role, that is what I am. Not a cop, like a semi one I suppose.Show-sekinj
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No role in the game could betooout of the ordinary, since this is a mini normal and not a mini theme...Show-sekinj
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EMPHASIS SINCE EVERYONE IS MISSING THIS!!!sekinj wrote:I would suggest that everyone take a look at the replacement thread, post #140....
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read the comment bat makes in the replacement... this is not significant in your mind?
I'm pointing out the possiblity of not very standard roles... or at least one non-standard role. since this isn't a theme it can't be too crazy though...Show-sekinj
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oh... you are right, it didnt' say it in the title, so I missed it.
well, in that case, i completely believe gateway!!! who knows was other very powerful role the bad guys have!Show-sekinj
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I find it believeable because I don't think gateway could come up with it on his own.
I don't think it is as powerful as others think simply because there is so much WIFOM in it. TO be a theme game there has to be some crazy stuff going on... I think trying to outguess the mod is a bad idea.
THe only reason I thought gateway (or getaway as panzer says) was scummy was because of his bad judgement, poorly placed and reasoned votes and his ignorance. I wasn't goign to let that slide. but now that he has claimed I can see that it is for real. he had no concept of what a fake claim was and he didn't even know how to claim his role correctly. If he was trying to pull one over on us, he would have to be doing a better job than this...Show-sekinj
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I woudl prefer to think of it as inexperienced or ignorant... but maybe I'm jsut a nice personPanzerjager wrote:Why are you basing you're reasoning on how dumb someone is? You're assuming that Gateway is a complete tard.Show-sekinj
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-@Gateway
Please answer me straightly. I believe your claim, but it is important that we all know the extent of your experience. Please answer in your own words, disregarding all prior discussion on this subject.
- What mafia experience do you have?
Please include all experience on mafiascum.net, as well as any other online site, or real life experience.
thank you.Show-sekinj
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Why wouldn't scum kill him tonight? unless we have a doctor, I'm not even thinking he will last through the night. Which brings up the question of if he shoudl pass along the names or take a chance and kill one...
but maybe I'm just gullible...Show-sekinj
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Which is exactly what I said about why i dont' think the role is so powerful. introduce a little wifom, and you cut back a role's power dramatically.Spolium wrote:
The lack of NK on a player who has claimed a powerful/controversial role would lead to a total WIFOM mess. I for one would be second guessing him the whole time, and it would probably screw with my read on others as well.sekinj wrote:Why wouldn't scum kill him tonight?Show-sekinj
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Yes. Depending on the role, how it plays out, and what confirmation the mod gives. If we just have to take gate's word for the two players, then that is in doubt. If the mod annouces the two players to the whole town, that's completely different.Spolium wrote:
Couldn't that be said of any unfeasible role?sekinj wrote:exactly.
As an example just think of a mod confirmed mason and a non-comfirmed mason. One introduces wifom, therefore is much less powerful than the other.
I, for one, expect weird roles in a theme game...Show-sekinj
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can you link to that site?Spolium wrote:
What variety of roles were present on games there? Was there much experimentation with strange roles?Gateway wrote:My experience is some, I've played smaller games on another forum where I MUD and most make it to seven or eight pages.Show-sekinj
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unless there are other roles which handicap his.Panzerjager wrote:It's only questionable in this situation. I'm not sure how much modding experiance you have but when designing/using roles you should also was think "What if a REALLY good player gets this role". Dude, commonly Un-NKable roles have been deemed broken(even in theme games) because if a good enough player gets the role, then him being so difficult to lynch and immune to NK makes it too broken. So think if a simple un-NKable role in which you get no info is broken, imagine a role in which you get the name of a scum every night.
Hypothetically, had Gateway not had to claim and got to use his role, he could have killed one and then claimed Day 2 with news that he had confirmed the alignment of a player. Basically, if he claimed in a better position we would of followed him and if he really had this role, he'd have pretty much all the scum caught..Show-sekinj
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lol... yeah, i do get angered easily.
I find panzer's push of gateway bad, but I'm not sure if he is scummy, or just zealous misguided town. I don't think he would push so hard if he really KNEW gateway was town aligned.
I think some of the more background people are the scum... will do some reviewing on that. And yes, I have a bad habit of focusing on the current discussion rather than bringing up new points of my own. (panzer - you should be able to meta me on that).
but again, I'd rather lynch me than gateway because I think gateway can help the town.Show-sekinj
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Omg, gateway, you certainly don't know how to help yourself.
Why are you suspicious of me?
What do you think of my theory that panzer is going after you too hard to KNOW you are town? He is leaving himself nothing to fall back on tomorrow. (Much like myself)Show-sekinj
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Gateway -i doubt panzer is scum. You don't know for sure either. It's the people in the background who are more dangerous. Ask yourself, if you flip hitman as you claim, then what would panzer fall back on tomorrow? That would be stupid scum play.Show-sekinj
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I also find it very hard to believe these people who think I am suspicious, but can't actually make much of a case against me, and won't actually vote me.Show-sekinj
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I'm only at L-2, so I dont' knwo what the big deal is. Gateway was L-1 and nevery actually got lynched, so I'm starting to wonder if we are going to lynch ANYONE today...
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[quote="Panzerjager"]That is seriously stupid. No reason to lynch yourself. [quote]
the only players people are willing to lynch today are a power townie and me, a vanilla townie. Which would you think was a better lynch (from the towns perspective?)Show-sekinj
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EBWOP
the only players people are willing to lynch today are a power townie and me, a vanilla townie. Which would you think was a better lynch (from the towns perspective?)Panzerjager wrote:That is seriously stupid. No reason to lynch yourself.Show-sekinj
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already tried that. didn't work. now going to plan B in order to save gateway for one night.Panzerjager wrote:A vanilla should be trying to hunt scum, not get herself lynched...Show-sekinj
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I obviously believe otherwise.Panzerjager wrote:
When the power role isn't in the game because it's make believesekinj wrote:how is it anti-town to try to give a TOWN power role a shot?Show-sekinj
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@panzer - well, I beleive you are an over-zealous townie that is goign to get a town power role killed D1. why don't you wise up your play and look around at the people in the background?Show-sekinj
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10, i'm afraidChiefSkye4 wrote:
Well, when you're the only one in the entire game that is convinced that Gateway is not a liar, there has to be something up. Just to clarify, 1-10, how much to you believe Gateway's CLAIM? Just his claim. 10 being "spotless, without a doubt", 1 being "this is totally BS."sekinj wrote:how is it anti-town to try to give a TOWN power role a shot?Show-sekinj
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