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Kreriov's Post 174 - I have a question regarding the whole night-action movement thing. Who is allowed to move and who isn't? And into how many rooms can the move-priviledged go?
Kreriov's Post 175 - Whose thought process birthed the concept of "covering"? As in, to keep Player A from being obvious, he/she should be accompanied by miscellaneous Players B-J?
Tenchi's Post 177 - Was the room that Battousai entered already unlocked and previously discovered or was he the first to enter it?
Battousai's Post 185 - I don't believe your flaunting of powerrole allegations. I think you're jumping to conclusions.
Tenchi's Post 188 - Whose idea was it that room's trigger certain abilities? And vigilante...?
Kreriov's Post 201 - When you say that Tenchi jumped wagons, were the jumps accompanied with reasoning or would you consider them baseless?
Phily's Post 206 - I'm not believing Battousai's "You just wanted me to say I'm a powerrole" deal.
vote: ZtifeJust to put us on the map
Tenchi wrote:Ok. I thought KMD was in Room number 7 and you just went into Room number 7.
My bad.
Vote: Battousai
How is Battousai suspicious in your book? What did he do?Tenchi wrote:LOL Kinda.
Battousai is suspicious still in my book all this time. However, I thought you were accusing/deflecting onto Battousai when "the fact" WAS you did the same thing. (I thought KMD opened Door 7. Battousai went in. And then you went and pranced into Door 7. Then with the way you defended yourself (which again I took out of context) I thought you were a worse liar) So I questioned you about that.
Sorry about that.
So you're voting Tenchi because you believe him to have been fishing for your alleged "powerrole"?Battousai wrote:Tenchi wrote:
Good question. But I believe I can use a rhetorical question in my arguments just like you did in one of your posts.Battousai wrote:
Why did you post this question only to vote me after I answered? That implied that you had an acceptable answer in which I could have responded. What could I have said that would make you not want to vote me?Tenchi wrote:Let's create codenames for everyone so that MafiaMann can help us with stuff.
I want mine to be"the guy with glasses"[/b].
Battousai, why did you move to Room number 7? Do you need an Evil Bunny mask to do your stuff?
The truth of the matter is I suspect you already just because you went straight into that room.Vote: Tenchi
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Thank you, Tenchi, both have been noted.
Battousai's Post 83 - Awful wordage, which could have impacted my judgment. I'm saying why try and throw the vig thing out there? Why not simply refute the allegations or something like that? Never mind, I'm still reading.
PaperPenguin's Post 156 - Do you know where I can find information on this manga?-
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Kreriov's Post 218 - So you believe the possibility of opportunism overrules the reasoning of Tenchi's case, am I right? It doesn't matter whether it's true or not, it's opportunistic. That seems to be a limited point of view. I think you should actually see if youbelieveTenchi's case. It would make your argument stronger if you didn't; however, at the moment, it appears you're being lazy or hasty by slapping "opportunism" on the whole ordeal and calling it a day.
I appreciate your input, you're very helpful.
Phily's Post 219 - What do you mean? How has Battousai been indirect?
Tenchi's Post 224 - Surely I can't explain the context, for only KMD can truly accomplish this, but I can state my opinion of it.
From my initial read, it looks to me that KMD makes a valid point. The only way that MykonianKmd4390 wrote:Kmd4390 wrote:I'll read in a second, but the game is up and I have a non-random vote to make. That's right. No RVS for me.
mykonian wrote:btw, Hello KMD, Tenchi, Phily, nice to see you again!
and of course Looker. I hope will have fun this game (I promise I won't try too hard to get you lynched this time)Vote Mykonian. The only way you could make that promise is if you know Looker's alignment. The only way you know Looker's alignment is if you are scum. Myko is scum.couldmake this promise and still play to win would be if he knew my alignment; however, it is entirely possible that KMD is simply reading too far into this. Mykonian and I spent the entire game trying to kill each other last time and I believe it was to this that he was referring in that first post.
KMD's Post 229 - But once again, do you believe his case? It's not enough to simply state that he was jumping on people, you have to argue the validity of his words. Was he telling the truth or making things up? These could be critical to your arguments and cases against him.
Battousai's Post 232 - Do you feel as if everyone is turning against you ortunnelingin on you? If so, you should express this and assess those whom are both stating suspicions of you and voting you. There could lie the scum. That is, of course, if you, yourself, aren't scum and your fellow partners aren't bussing you.
And you must understand it's hard to believe someone right off the bat, so, usually,I would think it necessary to continually press an issue if you are suspicious of it. But speaking of, when you entered the Storage Room, what was that item that you picked up?
Ztife's Post 236 - Good to have you aboard, Ztife.
Phily's Post 240 - It would seem a really bad excuseifyou believed that entering certain rooms triggered certain abilities. So what ability do you think he triggered, PhilyEc?
And also...
Paper Penguin's Post 244 - Got me at the last minute, but, yes, indeed.Looker is reminding you all that she wrote:Tenchi wrote:Ok. I thought KMD was in Room number 7 and you just went into Room number 7.
My bad.
Vote: Battousai
How is Battousai suspicious in your book? What did he do?Tenchi wrote:LOL Kinda.
Battousai is suspicious still in my book all this time. However, I thought you were accusing/deflecting onto Battousai when "the fact" WAS you did the same thing. (I thought KMD opened Door 7. Battousai went in. And then you went and pranced into Door 7. Then with the way you defended yourself (which again I took out of context) I thought you were a worse liar) So I questioned you about that.
Sorry about that.
So you're voting Tenchi because you believe him to have been fishing for your alleged "powerrole"?Battousai wrote:Tenchi wrote:
Good question. But I believe I can use a rhetorical question in my arguments just like you did in one of your posts.Battousai wrote:
Why did you post this question only to vote me after I answered? That implied that you had an acceptable answer in which I could have responded. What could I have said that would make you not want to vote me?Tenchi wrote:Let's create codenames for everyone so that MafiaMann can help us with stuff.
I want mine to be"the guy with glasses"[/b].
Battousai, why did you move to Room number 7? Do you need an Evil Bunny mask to do your stuff?
The truth of the matter is I suspect you already just because you went straight into that room.Vote: Tenchi
You could have voted me in the first post instead of asking a rhetorical question. This implies to me that you were trying to get me to say something in which you could infer that I have a powerrole.MOD: How do we go about investigating these rooms...?-
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Mykonian's Post 255 - We never did have that talk, btw. I believe the fact that you turned up town proved tantamount to that decision...
Tenchi's Post 257 - Tenchi, do you agree with Penguin's post?
Battousai's Post 258 - Sorry, I was unaware we were beginning a game of semantics. So you "triggered"?
Ztife's Post 259 -Looker leaves Room 12, enters Room 9, INVESTIGATES Room 9, leaves Room 9, enters Room 3, INVESTIGATES Room 3, leaves Room 3, enters Room 12, and closes Room 12. Looker also molests the still super hot bod of Super Hot Chick Codename: ZazieRWe'll see what this gets us.
Foam...?!?
And, specifically to remind Tenchi, since Battousai already answered, Looker wrote:Looker is reminding you all that she wrote:Tenchi wrote:Ok. I thought KMD was in Room number 7 and you just went into Room number 7.
My bad.
Vote: Battousai
How is Battousai suspicious in your book? What did he do?Tenchi wrote:LOL Kinda.
Battousai is suspicious still in my book all this time. However, I thought you were accusing/deflecting onto Battousai when "the fact" WAS you did the same thing. (I thought KMD opened Door 7. Battousai went in. And then you went and pranced into Door 7. Then with the way you defended yourself (which again I took out of context) I thought you were a worse liar) So I questioned you about that.
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Battousai's Post 267 - I see, you were being creative and original. I applaud that - it's people like you that make games like these worthwhile.
Super Hot Chick's Post 269 - My apologies.Looker opens Room 12, leaves Room 12, enters Room 9,INVESTIGATES Room 9, leaves Room 9, enters Room 7, leaves Room 7, enters Room 8, leaves Room 8, enters Room 13, leaves Room 13, enters Room 3,INVESTIGATES Room 3, leaves Room 3, enters Room 12, and closes Room 12.
Phily's Post 273 - If we are to assume groups of three, delineate which players are to be in which group and which of the four available rooms are to be used.
Looker unlocks Room 12 (from the inside) but stays inside Room 12
Icerint's Post 286 - Crime Room access has been granted.
In other news, where is Wolf? In his last post, he wrote:
I don't know how close the game follows the manga, but if thats the case, then Battousai would've taken the role of the main charater, right? We should ask him if he know whos the lover, and likely, the killer. But that sounds alittle too easy... Also, I didn't read that far into the manga, how many killers were there?PaperPenguin wrote: 4.) The main character who was not given barcode, since the wolf was his lover, she didn't want to kill him.
SoAnd, though the votecount says differently, in PaperPenguin's last voting post, he wrote: Kreriov:
This stinks like a day-signal.@PhilyEc - /sigh What part of 'you would be better of by not posting' was not clear?Vote:KreriovMOD, which person is PaperPenguin really voting for? Did this vote not count?-
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Phily's Post 323 - I lack the mental capacity (and time and patience) to adeptly assess this situation, so if anyone sees any problems with these pairings, please don't hesitate to point them out.
Ztife? Hopefully you have no reservations about bunking with Icerint and I?-
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Kreriov's Post 334 - Excellent idea, Kreriov. The bandwagon is currently on Tenchi; however, Tenchi is voting Battousai. Because of this, I would say that they are both cast under scrutiny. I've attempted to recollect the posts stating the logic utilized for these votes and if they still hold, if they still believe them to be viable reason to believe the other is scum, I'd have no problem lynching one of them.
Ztife's Post 343 - I was informed, much to my disappointment, that Super Hot Chick CodeName: ZazieR was not a tool; therefore, I would deduce that we can't use her for anything...excluding explicit eye candy.
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Good question. But I believe I can use a rhetorical question in my arguments just like you did in one of your posts.Battousai wrote:
Why did you post this question only to vote me after I answered? That implied that you had an acceptable answer in which I could have responded. What could I have said that would make you not want to vote me?Tenchi wrote:Let's create codenames for everyone so that MafiaMann can help us with stuff.
I want mine to be"the guy with glasses"[/b].
Battousai, why did you move to Room number 7? Do you need an Evil Bunny mask to do your stuff?
The truth of the matter is I suspect you already just because you went straight into that room.Vote: Tenchi
You could have voted me in the first post instead of asking a rhetorical question. This implies to me that you were trying to get me to say something in which you could infer that I have a powerrole.
Do these still hold true? Are these still viable votes?Tenchi wrote:Ok. I thought KMD was in Room number 7 and you just went into Room number 7.
My bad.
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Battousai's Post 347 - Noted.
andBattousai wrote:Tenchi wrote:
Good question. But I believe I can use a rhetorical question in my arguments just like you did in one of your posts.Battousai wrote:
Why did you post this question only to vote me after I answered? That implied that you had an acceptable answer in which I could have responded. What could I have said that would make you not want to vote me?Tenchi wrote:Let's create codenames for everyone so that MafiaMann can help us with stuff.
I want mine to be"the guy with glasses"[/b].
Battousai, why did you move to Room number 7? Do you need an Evil Bunny mask to do your stuff?
The truth of the matter is I suspect you already just because you went straight into that room.Vote: Tenchi
You could have voted me in the first post instead of asking a rhetorical question. This implies to me that you were trying to get me to say something in which you could infer that I have a powerrole.
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But you didn't...Tenchi wrote:
And the only defense I have here is I should have voted for you at the same post as I have posted those suspicions?Battousai wrote: But by pointing, you also voted. To me at least, pointing something else is not the same as voting.
I'm not deflecting, merely pointing out. If I felt anything wrong with it I would have said something.Tenchi wrote:
I am paranoid as I have said. Especially with the key revelation. I do agree however with the staying together in groups of threes.Battousai wrote:Tenchi- Ztife suggests that everyone should go to the weapons storage... why haven't you expressed suspicion on that and instead focus on the keys?
And yes, please do not deflect my attention on you to Ztlife. At least his entrance/proposal of going into the Storage Room had some form of logic into it (rather than say, a lame excuse like skipping rope).
The only difference between what I did and what everyone who goes into the storage room will be be the reason. What the hell? The action is supposedly scummy, not the reason. You voted me because I went into the room. You said that was what was scummy since you stated you should have voted me in the sentence you asked me why. Therefore you must agree the reason is not scummy but the action. Now everyone is going in there with a reason of ztife said it was a good idea... they aren't suspicious, just the first person who went in there. Flawed logic much? Narrowing in much? Ya, definately keeping my vote on you now.
Maybe that is because I am voting for you at the moment and I was your first suspect. Maybe it would be helpful if we, as town, stopped focusing on the game setup/flavor and whatnot, and focused more on scumhunting.Tenchi wrote:(Selective attention? Maybe. Right now, the Battousai case is the best one I can think of, and makes sense for me.)
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Scum/Roleholder/Vanilla again would say the same thing.Battousai wrote:Let me rephrase it. According to the game, I did not pick up anything, was not given anything, I have not gotten an item. I said technically, because I didn't get anything even though I said I took the rope to jump rope (much like the way you molested super hot chick Codename: ZazieR.
Just because every role would say the same thing, doesn't make it untrue.
Currently leaning toward a Tenchi vote in the matter of Tenchi V Battousai. Tenchi do you have anything else to justify your vote or is there anyone else you find scummy that you'd like to go against?Tenchi wrote:Ok. I thought KMD was in Room number 7 and you just went into Room number 7.
My bad.
Vote: Battousai
@Ztife - What do you think? Which case is more sound or better in your opinion?-
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Icerint's Post 359 - Basically, yes. I'm waiting forhim to input what he has against Battousai so that we can all come to a conclusion, whether it be that one or both of them are scum or that they're both townies distracting the town. Either way.
Sorry for any inconvenience, but I'm trying to ship all of my stuff overseas and there's a lot of paperwork to go along with it. May make me V/LA for some time. (I've been playing Mafia for a while and Istilldon't know what that means...)-
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Icerint's Post 402 - The more you know.
Battousai's Post 404 - Fixed.
Icerint's Post 421 - What can be deduced from all room-based behaviors so far? Can anything be implied by this and can we come to a decision as to whether or not this should affect scumminess? I believe we're beating around the bush in regards to it.
Tenchi's Post 437 - So your case could be more adequately denoted as: "I don't believe him." Is this correct?
And as a catalyst:
Can at least one player from each of the following three groups make the following decision?
The choices are a)vote: [Tenchi, Battousai, KMD, or Icerint] or b)"I think all of these four are town".
And the groups are:
Group 1. Looker & Ztife*
Group 2. Mykonian & PhilyEc
Group 3. Mafiamann, Paperpenguin, & Bitchibee*
The purpose of this is to ascertain a general consensus as opposed to allowing a select few to dominate both conversation and opinion. Those players having a star by their name would be my preferred choice if only one from the group is to participate; however, I believe it would be more effective if every individual were to comply. Thank you for your participation.-
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Myk's Post 519 - Sorry, but trying to handle RL matters simultaneously. Either way, I would appreciate it if you, Gregory, & Ztife could come up with some suspicions or something to get the game moving. Aren't we still under deadline? Are we intentionally heading for a no-lynch?
Still waiting for a Bitchibee replacement, but...Iecerint wrote:Back again. No more running off for awhile:
Iecerint moves to the Corridor.
Iecerint moves to Room 4
Tenchi and Phily I can understand categorically, but those aren't the best reasons out there in my view. The same could go for myko. And Kmd is suspicious for pushing a case against a player that you yourself think is scummy (granted, a poor one)?Kreriov wrote:Tenchi - Jumping wagons for little or no reason.
PhilyEc - Being way to defensive about mistakes
Mykonian - This whole weird KMD back and forth thing
Kmd - Pushing a bad case
Ztife - LurkingParticularly, could you clarify your view of myko and Kmd? Are they both scum? Is one of them scum?This is not the list I would have expected to see.
Gregory, I was referring to your set-up speculation that restrooms might protect female players.What list would you have expected to see? Can you express your suspicions with a vote?·
So you don't think anyone else is scum? You have no suspicions of others? Does anyone have any suspicions of you?Kreriov wrote:@Myko - Yup, why do you think I removed my vote? Anyway, you asked. None of those scum suspicions are very strong. One reason I am not voting for anyone Will be interesting to see what others have to say.-
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"KMD is not scumhunting, he is counting lurkers."mykonian wrote:to reinforce the statement that too many arent doing a thing: half of the players have probably not even given a serious vote. And the distancing between KMD and me is more likely: since we don't vote for each other.
KMD has had a history of two votes (seen the counts) that stayed long. Both were on lurkers "that he didn't want to let go" and on not that great cases (seen the protown things that did come from Tenchi).
it is not a lot, but I would expect more active hunting from KMD. His voting suggest more waiting scum.
And no, this is not a great case, but one I would like to go for.vote KMD
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Quite possibly beating Mykonian at his own game.Kmd4390 wrote:
Not exactly.Kreriov wrote:@Kmd - Of course you do not admit to misrepresenting. You have just been shown to have done so.
Wagons are probably a good idea now.mykonian wrote: did I miss someone, or are this the persons we should look at seriously for this lynch? In that case, please post with what lynches you would agree. My vote could be on mafiaman or KMD, I think.
This is no longer making cases, this is placing the vote for the person you want to lynch. We should have some information, and there are some wagons that could be succesful, now we only need to see what wagons would be on scum.Unvote, Vote Myko. More votes on you than on Tenchi.
There is no strawman or misrep.Kreriov wrote:@Mykonian - Well, what more do you want? Kmd is used/is using a strawman attack on me. One which I specifically discredited. I showed, twice, exactly how he was misrepresenting things I have said and his reply was that he was lazy? Seriously? My vote is where I think it will do the most good.
I find in favor of the plaintiff.Unvote; Vote MykonianAlso, does anyone remember Mykonian's initial "slip" at the beginning of the game? Could this be denoted as an ironic situation? Should I not vote you because you said you wouldn't try to get me lynched in the beginning? Was that a psychological ploy? A play on emotion? (Conspiracies...) Anywayz...-
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Don_Johnson, welcome to the game, who do you suspect? To be quite honest, due to my personal policies and whatnot, I should have waited for you to cast a vote (on whomever you want) before I unvoted you. Sounvote vote don_johnson. I'll wait for you to cast a vote on whomever and then I'llre-cast my vote.-
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So we have
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was unaware that no lynch was not possible. sorry.Gregory wrote:no lynch is not possible. you could have made a statement by voting KMD, and maybe some players would have changed their vote. Don't say there was no other option. There allways is.
yes. agreed. which is why i asked for an extension and then criticized others for not bolding there extension requests.greg wrote:NO. KMD has got a point here. YOU didn't want to vote myk. You didn't want to vote KMD, so your best option is an extension.
^^ no. not at all. extensions are usually granted on a majority rules type basis. i have NEVER replaced into a game and had a mod simply extend deadline just for me. no your argument is becoming scummy. an extension would have been good for TOWN, not just me.greg wrote: KMD was voting myk, and was sure myk was scum. Why would KMD have asked for an extension? an extension would have been good for you, so YOU should have been the one to try to get other people asking for the extension too. If you don't want to try that, you're just lazy.
so don't use it as an defense, if you had really wanted it, you would have asked more times.
so... you are a bunny killer? i used a frown smiley to show sadness at your rude comments and i used the luaghing smiiley because of how laughable your case is.greg wrote: look at the post wich I'm quoting. YOU are the one who tries to blow my case with being the funny-guy. smiles and joking around won't help you. I am serious. If you don't want to scumhunt in this game, I will do anything I can to get you killed.
unvote, vote gregory
if i didn't need to vote in order to lynch, and regardless of whether or not i was aware of the ruleset regarding deadlines, what benefit did scumdj have for the actions which you are using as evidence that i am scum?
To me it seems as if Gregory is moreso attacking DJ's playing style as opposed to his role; however, heGregory wrote:
No, but do they allways need to be lynched?don_johnson wrote: do you think players get to L-1 by accident?
Yep, If you don't want to, I'll happely vote you. Because to me, You and KMD are both scummy, but he tries to make something of this game. YOU DON'T. If you're dead next day, we won't miss you.don_johnson wrote: do you think everyone in townneedsto scumhunt?
don't use that as defense, it isn't.don_johnson wrote:i asked for an extension.
while you didn't want to lynch myko, and we had enough time for a lynch. Very Protown.don_johnson wrote: omg. i hammered on day 1 for the sake of lynching.
yeah, play like you want,don_johnson wrote: uh yeah. you scumhunt, tell me who to vote for and why. i'll play how i want to.
when you're dead
vote: don_johnsondoesaccuse DJ and KMD of being scummy (don't ask me why).
On the other hand, Don_Johnson defends his playingstyle against Gregory and tries to make both light and sense of the situation.
Gregory votes Don_Johnson for not "scumhunting" and Don_Johnson votes Gregory because he doesn't think Gregory cares about his alignment, which is kind of scummy. So, balancing it all out or whatever, I'd have to vote for the guy who kills regardless of alignment to be lynched rather than the guy who doesn't do anything. And I'll do this just as soon as Tenchi shows up and places a vote.
O, and don't get lost in Japan - all the signs are in Japanese...-
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@Kmd, I answered the question; furthermore, since SHC said that Tenchi isn't going to be replaced anytime soon, I'll just count his position as nonexistent, which means that everyone is either voting someone or is getting voted for. Everyone is involved. For right now, out of DJ and Gregory, I'd have to place my vote on Gregory for the reasons aforementioned; however, Gregory if you find someone scummier or you have more evidence to support a case against DJ, I'm here and reading and searching the thread for scum myself.
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i KNO! I've been playing for so long but I never thought to play this way, EVER. It's just like I'm walking through the park or something. It's like I have something moving in my backpack but I won't look in it, it's just there. It could be a monkey, a giant spider, or even a nymph - I don't KNO! Lol, isn't it great?!-
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Bat's Post 1042 - You want to lynch me because you don't have a read on me? How is your illiteracy a scumtell on my part?
And I don't know what the second part means, the partners part. What do you mean?
Bat's Post 1050 - The part about nulling me - Why? Why does everything I say/said have to be nulled?Battousai wrote:Reasons to lynch Looker:
No reliable read up to page 42.
Isn't reading the game, so not so helpful.
Could be lieing about it
Reasons not to lynch Looker:
If Looker was scum, scum partners would have sent pm's informing her in talk.
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Lol, I like your sense of humor, and that also brings up a good point. I haven't receive any pms or anything like that so far so I guess I'm in the clear. The only thing I'm worried about is what somebody brought up earlier. It was along the lines of "What if you're a power role?" and didn't do anything last night. That's the only thing tempting me to read as of right now. But that's funny, Batt, that really brightened up my day. I wish Tenchi were here-
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