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mcpaltp wrote:Both waar and WR?'s logic make sense to me. I don't like the WIFOM "joke" of Lazy's and CKD's overraction also seems scummy to me. I'm sort of getting a busing vibe, so I think I'll put a vote on Lazy as he seems incrementally scummier to me.
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Nobody else is really hitting my scumdar right now. C'mon lurkers, start pingin'! I'm sure all of you scummy mcscummersons have lots of good tells-- let 'em, out.
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I haven't thought about this game yet. My random vote ain't sitting on that there wagon until I have.
And no one is lurking yet. The game hasn't gone on long enough. These day ones go on a looooong time. And clearly there's a sub-group in here of people who already know each other and may even be talking to each other on Ventrilo. Most of us were probably just waiting for the din to settle down a bit. That's what I was doing. I can't get in on in-jokes when I'm not in. Know what I'm sayin'?
But I'm encouraged by the quick turn the game has taken towards real investigation. I'm just not going to leave my random vote on someone who is under real suspicion.-
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To clarify - I wasn't suggesting you were talking about game events outside the thread. Just that you were all sitting in vent enjoying yourselves and this was part of it. Which would make you want to post more. For you time is real time.mcpaltp wrote:Outside comunication about game events is verboten. I'm not talking about thegame eventsoutside of this thread, and I'm sure the rest aren't either.
And why not call out the lurkers? I see no reason to wait until the deadline to lynch someone if they are scum. Discussion is all well and good, but so is a game not taking weeks to finish.
Just sayin'
- I looooove hunting lurkers. Love it. I lift up their dirty little rocks and I poke them with big sharp sticks while I shine my megawatt flashlights in there eyes. My point was just to let you know that the pace on this site seems a bit slower than you seem used to. It's a brand new game so the game hasnt gone on long enough for there to be real lurky lurkers. But hell poke wherever you want. See you got a response from me. So it worked!-
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Personally I'm just thilled that there's a place with FASTER mafia games. If only somethingawful.com wasn't banned at work. The long days non-deadlined days on here suuuuuuuuuck.WomensRights wrote:While yes, several of us are from another site and play mafia together on a more or less frequent basis, I do have to say that I'm surprised that we would be accused of talking together outside of the thread. Just because we know each other from another site doesn't mean that we don't know the rules of mafia and we all know that talking outside the thread is clearly forbidden. I think it's rather silly to instantly assume that we're all cheating. And yes, we are used to faster paced games.
That being said though, I do think it's ridiculous to call out any lurkers at this point. The thread's been open for, what, 12 hours or so? Less than that? I know that you guys on MS are used to slower days so I doubt we can even think about calling out lurkers at this point.
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Man... you are TOTALLY overreacting...curiouskarmadog wrote:
for the love of God, how was it an over reaction?waar wrote:
I explained:curiouskarmadog wrote: You are also indicating that I over reacted, but fail explain how I over reacted...you think BM was "joking" (with a vote) yet I was "serious" (with a non vote question post) and over reactted..
waar wrote: You replied to an obvious joke with a very serious reply, pointing out to Battle Mage exactly why his reasoning sucked, while at the same time also explaining his joke. You were very quick to get defensive about something that was meant to be taken in jest. Thus, you are over reacting.
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"now that just hurts BM..." (you are telling me this was serious?)
I placed a second vote on Lazy...you place the second vote on me...you say I am bandwagoning...I say you are (fill in the blank), the circle begins a new? (you are telling me this is serious?)
are we going to start bumping heads again?(you are telling me this is serious?)
Where is the over reaction in this post? You said that I thought BM's reasoning sucked and you agreed it sucked. You see my interaction with you? This is serious...you see a difference?
My vote on him is not an OMGUS vote. I gave him plenty of time to say "hey, maybe it is a misunderstanding"..or "my joke on you was mostly random"..or even a "I am just trying to start conversation"
but he wont back down..he wants to push a vote on someone because of an over reaction that wasnt even there.
Now he is saying I am being overly defensive....NO, I am being offensive
When I see something scummy, I jump on it. When someone votes me (passed the random stage) for a crappy reason and refuses to admit they might be wrong...I jump on it.
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I usually don't lurk. I'm having trouble getting into this thread.
1. I'm not used to the pace, which is my own problem.
2. Lurkers are reinforcing lurkers> Why should I jump on some Lazy or CKD or Waar bandwagon (or whoever) when every mafioso in the game could be lurking.
3. The wagons so far seem pretty typical day one fodder. My scumdar isn't good enough to find an obv scum yet.
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Now that we're in the serious part of the game could you all knock off the colored fonts please. That isn't a normal part of this forum's traditions and speaking for myself I find it annoying/distracting. That being said, It isn't a huge deal and if you choose to ignore me or tell me to piss off, I'm not going to mention it again. Just thought i'd send out a polite request.-
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Saint Freak wrote:Charges, charges. I can't be bothered to navigate back through this thread. Sum them up for me, unless they equate to "omg he's having fun guys get him', which I suspect they still do.
And I have no problem voting your - scummy, not taking the game seriously, and therefore is bad for the town - ass. I read all your posts. You sure are having fun. Enjoy my little votesy wotesy. I hope it tickles.
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I missed your Jester line and was irritated by his flippancy. And never really realised that a Jester win meant a town loss. I always think of it as more of a town annoyance. Anyway I think he's probably just a flippant guy not taking the game seriously and I really don't like that. But fine... since I'm sure we've made our point. For now...windshipper wrote:STOP VOTING HIM FOR JUST A MOMENT AND LET'S TALK BEFORE HE GETS LYNCHED AND POTENTIALLY WINS THE GAME.
Does anyone else get the feeling that he's a jester? He's not even bothering to respond to anything, he's TRYING to get lynched. If he's a jester, that means he wins the game. That's not good, because then we lose.
Does anyone else get the feeling that he's a jester? Also, cicero, why did you vote him RIGHT AFTER I posted that?
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WomensRights wrote:SF is new to this site but not new to mafia. We play it all the time on something awful, where wind, myself, SF, and a good many others in this thread come from...we're on a field trip .
Also FoS is really silly at this point in the game because (unless you're voting for SF or Lazy or CKD or someone else who's near lynch at this point which I don't know because we haven't had a vote count HEM HEM MOD) one vote is not going to make a difference on Day 1. Or Day 2. Or any day that isn't LYLO.
Far be it from me to defend Skitzer who I've certainly had sharp words with in the recent past in another game... but I barely understood your logic there. FOS isn't silly here, at least not in my somewhat limited experience (I'm no guru, just a reasonably quick study). It's just a good shorthand way of pointing out who people suspect and is used at all sorts of stages. Maybe you do it differently over at SA but it isn't "silly" here. That having been said Skitzer is pretty new to the game and, by his own admission, has a lot to learn and I anticipate may get admonished for lots of things. But that particular criticism was not necessary I don't think.
I think you mean "just vote someone". But I don't think it's your place to demand that. Peroonally I'll be voting when I'm good and ready and I don't like people trying to control the town's play that way.
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He could very well be a jester. My understanding is that they are in play with some regularity. I'm not sure of the ratio of games with and without though. But Skitzer is wrong to dismiss the possibility.windshipper wrote:I'm not defending him. I just don't want to vote off the jester on day 1. I've never played a game on mafia scum either, but Saint Freak has played in games before. I know this for a fact because he and I are from the same board. He's never played like this though, which is what makes me wonder if he's a jester or some other type of role like that. I just really don't want to do that.
How sure are you that Theo wouldn't put a jester in this game? Sorry, I've just never played a game on this forum before so I don't know what mods would do what.-
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Great - your opinion is noted. And I understand your point. But I'm going to ignore it now though. Mostly because of your unnecessary use of the inflammatory word "silly". We usually bold our FOS's here. You can track em just fine with the drop down menu below. If you think such FOS's in and of themselves offer a scum trail then you should positive this theory of yours later on when you can trap someone with it. Not early on so you can warn your scumbuddies. so a minorWomensRights wrote:
I've gotten in to this argument on SA with people before, but at this stage in the game I do find the FoS to be silly. It's 1 vote. It's not going to hurt anyone. If you find someone suspicious, put a vote on them to put some pressure on them so that they take you seriously. An FoS is basically useless right now.cicero wrote: Far be it from me to defend Skitzer who I've certainly had sharp words with in the recent past in another game... but I barely understood your logic there. FOS isn't silly here, at least not in my somewhat limited experience (I'm no guru, just a reasonably quick study). It's just a good shorthand way of pointing out who people suspect and is used at all sorts of stages. Maybe you do it differently over at SA but it isn't "silly" here. That having been said Skitzer is pretty new to the game and, by his own admission, has a lot to learn and I anticipate may get admonished for lots of things. But that particular criticism was not necessary I don't think.
I think you mean "just vote someone". But I don't think it's your place to demand that. Peroonally I'll be voting when I'm good and ready and I don't like people trying to control the town's play that way.
It's also a way for scum to say "Oh yeah I kind of suspect this person" without leaving a vote trail that leads back to them. Townies shouldn't be afraid of their votes. Scum hold on to theirs like precious jewels and dole them out after careful consideration because they don't want anything coming back to them.FOS: Women's Rights [/b} to you. See how that works?-
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Minorly inflammatory. Not hugely beyond the pail. Potentially temperature rising and distracting, if you will - Just because it's like calling him a dumbass. It belittles the action. That's all. I'm Not saying never say it. There are times to call someone silly or a dumbass, and I deserve it regularly. Just use it when the action really is silly. And I had said already that over here at least it isnt seen that way.WomensRights wrote:
How is the word "silly" inflammatory?cicero wrote: Great - your opinion is noted. And I understand your point. But I'm going to ignore it now though. Mostly because of your unnecessary use of the inflammatory word "silly". We usually bold our FOS's here. You can track em just fine with the drop down menu below. If you think such FOS's in and of themselves offer a scum trail then you should positive this theory of yours later on when you can trap someone with it. Not early on so you can warn your scumbuddies. so a minorFOS: Women's Rights [/b} to you. See how that works?
But then in your next breath you said it was suspicious. Suspicious actions are seldom silly ones... They are calculated.
When I vote someone it is because they need serious pressure or I really think they are scum. When I just see a random scumtell I FOS it. Sometimes it just helps me to flag it for later. I dont tend to vote more easily in the early game than in the late game. Personal playstyle choice and not a particularly silly one in my opinion.
Anyway, I don't want to argue silly too much with you, because that in itself might get "silly" rather quickly (by which I really mean distracting). So say what you want. It just raised my lil ol eyebrows. Maybe everyone else thinks it's a-ok.-
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Fair enough but imho windshipper's comment was reasonable in the context at the time. Freak was acting like a jester. If ever a jester there was. I wanted to lynch the guy on general principle... and one of the SA people that could meta him said it was highly abnormal play for him.garbagetree wrote:
Jester is a pretty rare role, and bringing it up on a day one without any reasoning to think that there could be a jester in the game seems rather silly. In fact, the only reason why I could think that it would be brought up is as a scare tactic. All it does is makes me suspicious of the person who first brought it up. That was windshipper if I recall correctly.skitzer wrote:SF, me agrees...Jesters are usually included in open games to add another worry to the game...but I can see how talk of no jester is scummy as well.-
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Sorry, pushing for what?mcpaltp wrote:Great Kilgrey, now I have four people I want to vote for: St. Freak, CKD, peers, and now Tarhalindur. I'll wait a little longer for any one of these four to chime in before I start moving my vote around (again).
And is it just me, or is this game moving really slowly all of a sudden? If it wasn't categorically "bad for the town" I'd be pushing for it right now. I know it's against MS custom, but different cultures, I guess.-
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Aimee wrote:As ABR said, I will have no access until Monday.
I'm really sorry, but at the moment my life is mega hectic, and I really have no time for the spped of this game.
Would it be easier if I got replaced, since I think even after this I could have more limited access? I'm really sorry for not posting as much as I should, but as I have said, I've basically had no time since coming to college.
Yeah - you should cull some games. Re-replace in when you are under control.
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Everyone does remember that this is the game with fixed deadlines, right? It shouldnt become too onerous to keep up with. And the SA people are quitting at a rather feverish pace. This should be a game people can reasonably keep up with in short order. But between the replacements and the distractions and the mod getting his work access blocked... this could very well die. Which would be a damn shame, because I want more deadlined games.-
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I have a great idea since this game is... problematic.
Let's list the people who acted like asshats in this and or DoctorWho mafia, decide who was the biggest asshat and lynch them!
If you don't like the idea - Lynch me! And I will join a new game that has not been hobbled by trolls!
No? OK... fine. I'll go back and do a re-read and see if anyone deserves a vote.
Oh right...THIS is the game where Tarhalindur says he doesn't respond to cases against him and wants them to stand on their own. My case against him is that anyone who plays that way should get a rope around their neck.
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I'm watching it but the mod is unavailable. And I think your Something Awful friends have, for the most part, taken their bat and ball and gone home which means we likely need a ton of replacements. So I'm not putting any effort into it at the moment. Pmcpaltp wrote:*cough* Is this game still alive?
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I'm not talking about the just the trolls. Im talking about all the quitters. I'm sure they are great people and kind to their mothers. They were just totally disrespectful. Some of them by being trolls. Others by being offended when the forum wasnt what they wanted it to be - and they quit. Some of them, like Jamuuraan, screwed heavily with a game WHILE quitting. At the same time, some of them, like Mcpaltp, appear to be awesome and should run for president.Peers wrote:
That's being kinda harsh on them. Only a couple were problem people -- the others were rather nice, they just had to adapt to a different board's playstyle.cicero wrote:It's too bad. It was a nice idea and even had deadlines so it wouldnt be too slow for the somethingawful people. Mcpaltp, when you go home, please tell them "go fuck yourself, san diego" for me, wouldja?-
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Just on a theory note - this is not correct. OMGUS is generally shrouded in real reasons.Porochaz wrote:agreed, if garn gave reasons its not OMGUS anything...
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Setael or Saint Freak could both be scum. If Setael stays alive we have a real player in the game. I'm playing with her in another game. She's active, smart, aggressive and great to play with.
If Saint Freak lives we have someone who will smirk his way through the game with contempt.
Let's ne honest. This is a Day one lynch and a disfunctional one at that. There's an excellent chance that they are both town. It isn't like the case against either is exactly airtight. One is a few random scumtells. The other is a flippant asshat who is sneering instead of playing.
So... if you can't be strongly confident that you'll lynch scum, at least lynch anti-town. Get rid of the asshat who has nothing but contempt for you and the game.
Vote Saint Freak. Policy Lynch. For the good of the game and the good of the site. Hopefully he's scum besides but I honestly don't give a rat's ass. A vote for Saint Freak is a vote for keeping a serious playerwho deserves to be here - Setael - in the game.
(and by the way. Setael and I aren't friendly. She's screaming for my head in another game)-
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Wow. windshipper sounds almost mad...
Do you think I'm scum or are you currently engaged in the rank hypocrisy of policy lynching me for policy lynching? Don't answer me. Answer yourself.
FOS Phate. You win Scummiest Entrance Award. But welcome. Thanks for jumping in to this previously disfunctional little game of ours.-
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I'd do what I did again in a heartbeat. And if Setael ends up town I'll laugh atcha too.
The question is did I do what I did because I am a member of some informed nightkilling minority. I didn't.
I did it - and I wasnt the only one - because in my opinion it was our (and I mean the towns) best move.
Your argument - blasting out of the gate - is based on me knowing Saint Freak was town. I don't know Freaks alignment. I don't know Setaels.
I know that most of yesterday was wasted by people on the a field trip from Something Awful coming over to this game and, in large numbers, being disruptive and game breaking. Saint Freak's version was to be useless and rude. He didnt scumhunt. He didnt help. He just told us to go fuck ourselves. In my opinion Saint Freak was extremely scummy. I thought he was scummier than Tarhalindur. But I was far from sure that either of them were scum. You know as well as I do that Day one lynch is generally a townie lynch. Scumhunting just isnt that good a science. So with a low assurance that I could be assured of lynching scum in either case I want to lynch the town's biggest liability. And that was unquestionably Saint Freak.
His behavior was an impediment to hunting scum. Which is behavior that is engaged in by scum. With Setael in the game we have someone who will contribute. If she is town she will scumhunt. If she is scum, we'll know soon enough.
So with an imperfect situation, which was brought on by people like Saint Freak acting in an anti-town fashion and coming close to destroying the game, I spoke my opinion which was "I don't know if either of these people are scum. And in that situation I think this is what is best for the town's chances."
I stand by it as a decision. No problem. There's a very good chance (say about 75%) that Setael is town. We lynched her as a townie we're down a townie AND we have to deal with Saint Freak for another day. Forget it.
Now - is your vote for me a policy vote? Your vote for me is EXACTLY the same as my vote for Saint Freak. Which doesn't mean I would necessarily oppose it. It means you should. With apologies to Phate's disagreement, your both wrong.
I didnt vote Saint Freak thinking he was town. I voted him thinking his behavior was anti-town and therefore scummy. I don't believe in letting scum lurk and do nothing in order to coast to endgame. And I don't let them develop an "oh he's just an asshole" meta so they can handicap me in whatever game I'm in with them. If you aren't scumhunting, I've got a rope for you.
So if you think I did what I did because I am a member of the scum, vote for me. If you disagree with what I did but think I did it for the motive I've just stated. Don't. Otherwise its a policy lynch.
They're your rules.
Get it straight folks. In any game I'm in. I dont let useless rude lurkers coast through. Meta me. Feel free. You want to lynch me for it, be my guest. Then people can jump and cry when *I* turn up town. That just helps me develop the meta I want.
But if you really want to "help the town" and "find scum" and you arent just avenging your asshole friend... piss off.
@Phate - read the thread. Then we'll talk.-
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