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Page 3 and there are multiple walls already.
STOP. IT.
If I were to pick a side, I would say MoI is winning, but I don't think we should lynch either of them right now when much, much clearer scum is right here:
SaintKerrigan wrote:Unvote: Lost Butterfly
Vote: MagnaofIllusion
Also, yay I haz votes!
This is a scummy response to a giant wall. It acts as though it's wagoning with the wall, but it insulates itself from being entirely serious by tacking on the joking phrase and smilie on the end so it can be construed as a "wagon vote" or something else later if need be. Also, this vote has been thrown around way too much already.
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Maemuki wrote:Holy page explosion, Batman!
So, why, yes, seeing as there are a couple walls of text already, I am going to shamelessly jump on the SK wagon. The "I'm rusty as hell" card (like most cards) + very weird answers to questions (by the way, the rusty-card is considered one of the weird answers) isn't going to cut it. Sorry SK.
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Thor655 wrote:Please answer the question I asked, re: Maemuki bussing or SaintKerrigan scummier.
This is a really BAD question. Maemuki bussing? She's made ONE POST, and it didn't say anything worthwhile (which was why it was scummy). How the hell am I supposed to know whether she's bussing or not?
Obviously the answer is SK is scummier. This post, however, makes it look very much like you are the buddy of someone involved in this little tiffle (I think SK) and want to sort things out your way. Scumbucket with you.
And now let's take a look at something interesting.
LynchMePls (2) - Nexus, Locke Lamora
MagnaofIllusion (7) - Setael, DrippingGoofball, LynchMePls, Hinduragi, SpyreX, Kast, Bilbo Baggins
DrippingGoofball (2) - MagnaofIllusion,Magua
SaintKerrigan (6) - Empking, Lost Butterfly, AlmasterGM, vezokpiraka, Benmage, Maemuki
Lost Butterfly (3) - hasdgfas,SaintKerrigan, Thor665
Check out the people in bold. Notice the correlation - they are all sketchy people, and they are all avoiding the top two wagons. Why is this? I think it's because SaintKerrigan is scum, and MoI is town. Think about it. MoI is also one of those wagons where if you lynch him D1 and then he flips town, there will be a lot of finger pointing the next day about whose fault it was, ESPECIALLY given obvscum SaintKerrigan could have been lynched instead. Convinently, the MoI wagon is at the tipping point right now - one or two more votes and it will have that critical mass that's very hard to spot. That means sketchy people know if they vote MoI now and he flips town, they'll take the heat tomorrow. They don't want that. But they ALSO don't want to vote for their buddy, SaintKerrigan. So they park their votes in these useless places and say irrelevant things to function as destractors.
Thus, I'm maintaining MoI is not the lynch for today. I think this is especially true for meta reasons. MoI is loud and isn't going away, so he can always be dealt with in the night or on future days. SaintKerrigan and Co, however, are the sorts of folk that can easily slink off and hide under a bridge somewhere until the mob has gone by. That can't happen.
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OH FOR CRYING OUT LOUD
MAFIA 101
YOU DO NOT HAVE TO AGREE WITH SOMEONES READS TO THINK THEY ARE SCUM OR TOWN. IT IS INDEPENDENT. MOREOVER I DO NOT NEED TO VOTE FOR EVERY SINGLE PERSON I FIND SCUMMY. I CAN FIND MULTIPLE PEOPLE SCUMMY
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SERIOUSLY. I WILL EXPLODE.
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Magua wrote:Also: If you think I'm scummy, or my posts are scummy, vote for me.
Or explode. One of the two.
No.
But, this is definitely scum talking. The whole forced "either vote for me or stop talking about me" thing. I can call you scum just fine without the vote. And you should like being under the magnifying glass, no?-
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Magua wrote:Oh ho ho. Talk about me all you want. The problem is, you're not talking about me. I asked you straight up if you thought Maemuki was bussing or if SK was just a stronger scumread; instead of answering it, you got sarcastically defensive. So I pushed for an answer on that again. Each time, your scumread on me increased, apparently for the sole reason that I'm asking you what you think of more than one person and asking you to compare the scumminess of this person to that person. That's terribad.
Because it was a stupid question. Answer this - It's been less than 5 pages and Maemuki has made one post. Do you really think that is enough content to generate an opinion on whether she is or is not bussing? Moreover, why does it even matter? If they're both acting scummy, why can't I just call them both scum?
And yes, that is why my scumread on you is increasing. Because you are getting really hung up on this one particular interaction when, in reality, it shouldn't be a big deal at all. Which makes me think you have a vested interest in seeing it go a particular direction.
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Thor - I cannot discern who is suspects are or what his advocacy actually is. He seems to just be saying random stuff.
LMP - does he normally rage and/or yell this much? I can't remember, but it seems really forced.-
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Nexus #365-367 are overly defensive given the situation.
...and then the votes just PILE on like candy. If MoI flips scum, we can definitely find scum in this little mini wagon that started.
I'm still maintaining that Magua is a way better lynch for today. MoI is stalling, though. If you log into MS via phone on vacation and find yourself at L-1, you CLAIM, not offer a random scumread on a lurker. If you can read the thread closely enough to read Kast, you can read closely enough to claim it up.
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For why he's scummy - read the thread. He's obviously just as, if not more scummy than MoI, and pretty much nobody disputes this (most of the arguments are things like, "he's CR and less of a threat"). As for why he should be lynched OVER MoI - 1) MoI is a strong town player, whereas Magua is relatively useless. If we mislynch MoI it's a pretty big shot in the foot, whereas lynching Magua doesn't hurt us that much. 2) There are lots more interactions surrounding Magua in the early game (specifically with Maemuki and SaintKerrigan), whereas MoI is being called out on this one isolated post. 3) MoI is loud and will always be on the table as an option. He can be dealt with later or through night actions. Magua will fall off the radar and always be the guy everyone wants dead, but never wants to waste time on. He should be lynched now before he can hide.-
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Benmage wrote:Wow whose saying CR is less of a threat?? CR is the number 1 threat…. Whose saying otherwise? 'Nobody disputes hes just as scummy as MoI'…yet has 2 votes…
Bilbo Baggins wrote:He can't recruit tonight, therein not the biggest threat. Therefore, mafia is biggest threat.
Might be more, I forget.
Benmage wrote:This is malarkey.
I really dislike the shitty answers like “read the thread” .. That has to my one of my biggest peeves in this game. Because 99% of the people who call other people scummy. Have no fucking clue what they are talking about. And when asked about it they only say irate things or crap like “read the thread”….Logic and Analysis eludes these people.
Can’t you bullet for me why he is scummy?
If you think I have no fucking clue what I'm talking about, then you should go read the thread for yourself. Oh wait, you haven't.
Benmage wrote:Idno. I'm read to page 5.
I'm not saying "read the thread" because it's impossible to otherwise convey Magua's scumminess. I'm saying do it because YOU HAVEN'T. Sitting here making snide remarks like "logic eludes you" when you have not read past Page 5 is incredibly hypocritical. Read the thread and ask again.
Magua wrote:
Okay, maybe that was a mean; I take the insult back. Sorry. That said, I do think your play this game has serious holes.
LL wrote:-Almaster's pushing for Magua over MoI based on connections shortly after lining up lynches based on MoI's flip and the Nexus mini-wagon is ridiculous, and overall his reasons for Magua over MoI are incredibly weak.
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Unvote; Vote: Magua
First, lolwut. Second, saying it's "pushing" and then cherry picking one argument as evidence = not permitted.
SaintKerrigan wrote:Unvote: Nexus
Vote: AlmasterGM
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Also, this is now even more true:
AlmasterGM wrote:And now let's take a look at something interesting.
LynchMePls (2) - Nexus, Locke Lamora
MagnaofIllusion (7) - Setael, DrippingGoofball, LynchMePls, Hinduragi, SpyreX, Kast, Bilbo Baggins
DrippingGoofball (2) - MagnaofIllusion,Magua
SaintKerrigan (6) - Empking, Lost Butterfly, AlmasterGM, vezokpiraka, Benmage, Maemuki
Lost Butterfly (3) - hasdgfas,SaintKerrigan,Thor665
Check out the people in bold. Notice the correlation - they are all sketchy people, and they are all avoiding the top two wagons. Why is this? I think it's because SaintKerrigan is scum, and MoI is town. Think about it. MoI is also one of those wagons where if you lynch him D1 and then he flips town, there will be a lot of finger pointing the next day about whose fault it was, ESPECIALLY given obvscum SaintKerrigan could have been lynched instead. Convinently, the MoI wagon is at the tipping point right now - one or two more votes and it will have that critical mass that's very hard to spot. That means sketchy people know if they vote MoI now and he flips town, they'll take the heat tomorrow. They don't want that. But they ALSO don't want to vote for their buddy, SaintKerrigan. So they park their votes in these useless places and say irrelevant things to function as destractors.
Thus, I'm maintaining MoI is not the lynch for today. I think this is especially true for meta reasons. MoI is loud and isn't going away, so he can always be dealt with in the night or on future days. SaintKerrigan and Co, however, are the sorts of folk that can easily slink off and hide under a bridge somewhere until the mob has gone by. That can't happen.
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OMFG stop picking at stupid technicalities
At the time that post was written, SK > MoI. When MoI is chilling at L-1 and stalling on a claim, then YEAH I hammered MoI. But if I were to go back and do it ALL again, we OBVIOUSLY should have lynched SK. Like I said. It just became a non-option at a certain point.
And as far as the "more true less true" - the ANALYSIS AS A WHOLE is more true. It was predicated on MoI being town, which was an unknown at the time, but now we DO know. So it's more true. It doesn't matter who is microscopically more scummy between you and SK - you're both scummy, and you can both die. You're just dying first. Your obsession with this point makes me think you are scum who is just irritated you are being voted for when I feasibly COULD be voting for someone else (e.g., SK).
Also, I read over some of your other games, and I realized I was right in my thinking when I came into this game - in the queue thread, everyone was like, "lol Magua sucks," but I never remembered you sucking. Maybe you were never the best scumhunter ever, but your play was always pretty reasonable. In this game, though, it's just been all 100% WOOSH - minimal scumhunting, saying things that don't make logical sense, and getting all caught up in these technicalities. It's a clear break from how you usually play. It is le scummy.-
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Empking wrote:Which means?
Scumpoints.
...seriously, what was the point of that question? What could the answer have possibly been? "Less posting from a player who was extremely active yesterday in getting town mislynched ... OMG TOWN." Questions like these are mere mirages of contribution. So scumpoints for you, too.
LMP wrote:Magua
Setael
SaintKerrigan
SCUM
Explain bolded, pl0x.
Setael wrote:@DGB, LMP & AGM: what's the scum motivation for someone predicting a janitoring of their flip?
DGB wrote:
Also, the fact that he would e ven presume a janitor in the setup to begin with.
The deathlist: Magua, SaintKerrigan, Thor655
The next-in-line list: Empking, LMP, vezok-
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SpyreX wrote:Annnd we stall. Fancy that.
MoI's janitor business was some bizarre combination of ego and butterflies.
And check out how, ONCE AGAIN, the same people as yesterday are responsible for the stall.
Benmage (1) -Thor665
vezokpiraka (1) - Benmage
SaintKerrigan (7) - Lost Butterfly, Locke Lamora, SpyreX, vezokpiraka, AlmasterGM, Empking, LynchMePls
Empking (1) - hasdgfas
hasdgfas (1) - DrippingGoofball
Thor665 (2) - Espeonage, Bilbo Baggins
Bilbo Baggins (1) -SaintKerrigan
Locke Lamora (1) -Magua
Not Voting (3) - Nexus, Setael, Hinduragi
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Espeonage wrote:SK wagon stall leads me to believe he is probably town. The only other serious wagon aka Thor isn't taking off. Leads me to believe I am right. js.
Espeonage wrote:Is it just me or is this AtE looking really bad.
Unvote, Vote: SK
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Nice 180. This is beautifully scummy regardless of SK's alignment. Is it SAVING THE BUDDY? Hopping ON AND OFF the mislynch? You decide!!!
But oh wait then we have gems from SpyreX and this dish just became so much more delicious.
Espeonage wrote:K well my flavour must be different then.
I'll go with, "Saving the Buddy for $2000, please."
SaintKerrigan wrote:*looks at Role PM with more sleep on board*
Crap, I goofed. I'm actually a Townsperson (Embodiment of the Smith). The rest of the claim still applies.
@ Empking: Espeonage is obvtown?
WHOOOOOOOPS.
Tsk tsk tsk. Messing up the claim. That just won't do. The PR claim isn't hot either. Save me...till Day 4?
No.
IN THE ELECTRIC CHAIR: SaintKerrigan, Espeonage
DEATH ROW: Magua, Thor655, LMP
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Every single time I see a vote count I get the vibe that the scum have a "NO BUSSING" policy active. The wagons just seem too perfectly split given the people on each wagon (e.g. the people I think are scum aren't voting for the other people I think are scum). It's possible this is confirmation bias, BUUT I actually think a no bus strategy would be reasonable given the existence of the cult recruiter.-
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DrippingGoofball wrote:VOTE: Magua
I have to, because this action only works on vote leaders.
Magua, you better not be a Miller.
Test by Fire: Magua
If this is real I'm gonna do a little dance.
Magua deaaaath.
There are actually so many people in this game I want to kill I don't even know what to do. I need to prioritize.
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Benmage wrote:Let's play a game.
Everyoneought to list the 3 people they, if the CR would seek to recruit.
List 3 please... a bullet as to why would be much appreciated.
I would pick people that i thought were unlikely to be nk'd or lynched. also people that are good at staying under the radar. probably like you, empking, or faraday.-
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Benmage wrote:Also, what do you think Cow is stalling? Where is the strategic value in him stalling? Drawing more suspicion?
as i've stated before, it's my opinion that (mostly because this is a cult game) that scum are intentionally not bussing. They think they can get away with it, and by doing so, they make it insanely harder for town to get lynches.
afa cow specifically goes, he's at that point where anything he says will probably just be construed as scummy anyway by his attackers, so it's probably a better strategic move from him as scum to just shut up, hope the town can't mobilize a lynch on him, and wait for his buddies to bail him out.
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