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mykonian wrote:Katsuki wrote:That name really annoys me...
he is now known as Boris.
I think I get what we are supposed to do... and I have found scum! So now I should convince the town and then duel that person to death, right?
If you've found two scum then convince the town an then we have the two people die in a duel against each other.don't you feel silly now?-
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elvis_knits wrote:OMG. Rayfrost is right. (sorry i can't stop razzing you! <3) Except I don't think both people die in a duel against each other.
If I am understanding the mechanic right, a player posts "DUEL: THATGUY" and then we have to lynch one of them and only one of them. I can see a scum exploiting that. They can challenge a person to a duel and then their buddies push the mislynch. I mean, maybe that's too obvious, but if they're skilled they could get away with it.
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We decide together who our two top suspects are and force them to duel (and anybody who refuses to duel will be auto-lynched by the town via some townie who volunteers to duel them -- an enforcer perhaps nominated by the town). We should only have two scummy people dueling each other. No townie should take it upon themselves to duel someone they think is scum
Actually, NOBODY SHOULD DUEL ANYBODY UNLESS THE MAJORITY OF US AGREE TO IT.
That way we have as many people getting on record about potential duels as possible. We get more info this way, and hopefully town keeps control over who is in the duel, and then who gets lynched. Also we're guaranteed to have our two scummiest players in a duel.
Possible downside is the D ability thing. If scum win a duel they could get access to extra abilities. But if we see extra death after a duel, or something funny going on, then we know who to blame. So it might help us catch scum in the long run even though it could be bad/dangerous in the short term. And I think the pros of controlling the duel and getting info by everyone commenting on it, I think that outweighs this con. But speak up if I'm not foreseeing all possibilities, please!
Anyway, people, please comment on this strategy.
AGAIN: NOBODY SHOULD DUEL ANYBODY UNTIL WE DECIDE.
I can razz you too.
In the signup thread it was explained that if both sides of the duel have equal votes then it counts as a no winner and both players die. In a duel only one person can come out alive. If you read the signup thread we pretty much already came to a similar conclusion. We can choose each day to either have our top two scummy players both die or have one of our top tow reads get empowered as a scum read dies. Either way we are always dueling based upon a majority and are not using the normal lynch in any circumstances as the duel mechanic can allow for a potential double lynch anyway.don't you feel silly now?-
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elvis_knits wrote:Actually, looking at the rules, maybe we don't have to duel every day? We can lynch normally OR duel?
We have to think about the implications of dueling verses lynching old-fashioned way.
The general idea behind dueling seems to make it more beneficial in comparison to lynching normally. We can have a double lynch by "voting" no winner with our top two scum reads or empower a strong town read while still lynching scum. If we don't have any town reads we can double up on the lynches for scum.don't you feel silly now?-
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I was more laying a groundwork concept plan more than a set in stone we must follow this path. We obviously have to adjust as the situation calls for it but if we've got two people acting scummy we can quite simply remove both of them rather than dealing with one lynch and then another.
I understand your idea about making them claim: I think that's a very important thing to note. Also think they should claim their D) ability along with the rest of them so that we know exactly what theyshouldbe empowered with to see if things match up.
We almost certainly want to duel as much as possible considering that the likelihood of empowering scum is less and there doesn't seem like a large difference in having us pseudo vote for top two scum rather than TOP SCUM OF THE YEAR THAT MUST DIE and it'd probably give more information than just having a single flip. One flip can be useful for analysis but two flips give double the information imo. It'd also be useful for seeing which people push one but not the other an seeing their logic as to why and the like. I'm having difficulty following why it wouldn't be a good idea to start off on the position that weshoulduse it and then adjust as more information comes out.
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Erm. Ludi, the game hadn't started yet and all therewasto talk about was duel speculation. I couldn't even vote.
So what you're saying is nonsensical to me.
This and this read like made up post restrictions to me.
I agree with gamma that arguing about the duel stuff might not be the greatest idea early on. We're probably better off focusing on the whole finding scum thing rather than distracting from this by trying to solve the issue of optimal dueling strategy. First we find scum... then we think about the best way to deal with them.don't you feel silly now?-
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Magister Ludi wrote:Toasty is also worth keeping an eye on. The only reason a mind would wonder to the possibility of two ro more scum teams is if the known composition of your own scum team is not very strong or large.
As for Flavor about more scum teams, we haveWuwith the Quan family,Shuwith Lui Bei, Guan Yu, Zhang Fei, and possibly a serial killer along the lines of Dong Zhou or Lu Bu.
Each probably interact favorably with duels somehow
"Toasty is suspect for coming up with the possibility of multiple scumteams"
"There are possibilities for scumteams and there's probably a serial killer!"
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"Toasty is worth keeping an eye on" seems like an expression of suspicion to me. Perhaps you meant "Toasty brings up an interesting" po- oh wait the rest of what you said makes it quite clear that you found it worthy of at least some suspicion.
If you find what he did suspect, I fail to see how you would not find your own action here suspicious as well.
Their being brothers doesn't guarantee their presence in the game, and I still don't see why you specified people forshuand the SK only. Why ignore bringing up possibilities for Wu? I have less issue with your bringing up possibilities for all o them than I do with you selectively bringing up the flavor possibilities. It's a matter of information reveal.don't you feel silly now?-
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Vi wrote:AlmasterGM 43... Statistics detected. Slander alert.
Maxous 53... Fluff levels significant. Action desired.
Voting... Maxous(L-10)
Gammagooey 57... Suggestion advisable.
System message... RayFrost is Town. Katsuki is advised to change her vote now.
System message... Total comprehension of game mechanic on elvis_knits' part not detected. Suspicion slightly raised.
Standing by. Awaiting idiot input regarding whether this is a real post restriction.
Virminator?
Seriously though, please to be explaining town read on me. All I'd really posted at the time was stuff other people had said at sign ups.don't you feel silly now?-
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Only played #3, and I had to google to realize your reasoning behind the shu choices (only remembered lui bei). I'm sure other people are more avid players of the series than myself. Looking stuff up, I fail to see why you wouldn't mention Sun Quan (EMPEROR) or Sun Ce (brother of EMPEROR) or Sun Shang Xiang (sister of EMPEROR) when you still mention the three brothers in Shu.
What I mean is the fact you speculated in just two of the three when even a simple google search by me brings up information about Wu as well. It doesn't make sense to exclude speculation on one if you're speculating on others, yet you did.
Still, I can't really think of any scum-motivation for excluding it I suppose. Meh. Leaving the vote anyway.don't you feel silly now?-
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Juls wrote:I don't know why everyone is all up in arms about talk on how we should maneuver the duel ability. We SHOULD come to a consensus on how to use it prior to pushing lynches. And we also learn about people's motivations based on their suggestions. Not to mention if people are constantly trying to nitpick and poke holes in everyones suggestions without bringing a valid idea to the table then I think that person is stalling and scummy.
I fin the discussion to be slightly more straight forward than I feel people are arguing.
We have the potential to double lynch or empower someone we believe to be town. Simply put, we should pseudo vote for each: top two scum candidates and top town read. Consensus on one more than the other = what we do. Seems the most straight forward way to do it, and there's not really any way that I can see for scum to manipulate it further than typical game-play manipulation.don't you feel silly now?-
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Katsuki wrote:So Ludi is scum for knowing the story of the Three Kingdoms?... :/
Erm... no.
Thought process:
Ludi is scum for saying that Toasty is suspect or discussing setup spec possibilities yet doing the same thing in his post when if you find it suspect it would mean it' be anti-town to do so yet he is doing he. He's then also scum for knowing the story of the Three Kingdoms and speculating yet clearly leaving out speculation about one entire possible faction yet discussing the others when they seem to me to be equally clear cut in "main proponents" - looking back on this, I can't really see a strong scum motivation for it, but I still feel it is vote worthy.don't you feel silly now?-
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That and he's voting me for spurious reasoning when he has something more "valid" from his PoV on toasty (by this I mean to say he thinks his toasty reasoning is valid and I perceive his reasoning for me to be spurious in that it's based off of pre-game stuff - I would like ludi to address my relevant post).don't you feel silly now?-
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Iecerint wrote:RF, those 3 characters aren't literally brothers; rather, their bromance drives a lot of the drama. Zhang Fei's kinda the odd man out, though...it's mainly a Guan Yu/Liu Bei bromance AFAICT...
Don't get the relevance of what you're saying here. Explain.
(Yes, I did finish my Japanese studies. I'm fast like that.)don't you feel silly now?-
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I disagree that SHu has only three. Zhuge Liang (my FAVORITE CHARACTER) is also a rather principle one. According to the wiki he's in every single game.
Re toasty thinking I came to his defense: I was having more of an issue with the double standard I saw in ludi's posting than anything about his stance on you (though I disagree with his logic for his suspicion, I can't say it's a particularly scummy stance to take in isolation).don't you feel silly now?-
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I tentatively agree with gamma here. This could be very very bad for town very quickly if we say... used gamma's "we can duel twice in one day" ability and end up with four town dead D1 with (assumed two scumteams of four) scum hitting two town... well it's already a scum majority D2. Town's essentially screwed so I really doubt that scumteams are that heavily stacked if there's more than one. Though thereisthe possibility of one scumteam having larger numbers but weaker powers and the other having smaller numbers an stronger powers I guess. Really don't feel this kind of speculation's worthwhile this early on though.don't you feel silly now?-
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RedCoyote wrote:If he has knowledge of the theme, why not be upfront about it?
Like I aid in a later post, I retract that it's a major scumtell on his part. I still don't like it, but it's hardly a large point against him like I initially thought. He's still my primo choice for who is scum at the moment as I don't really feel that toasty's thing is a big deal and also feel that c-worl's vote is proto-typical from what I've seen of him both town and scum.don't you feel silly now?-
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Maxous wrote:Ray Frost - 98 wrote: This and this read like made up post restrictions to me.
..And what about them? Do you think they are mafia faking restricitions?
Don't like this vote either. That was actually a misrep. Ludi said the reason toasty might think of 2 scumteams in the first place is because his own is small and then commented on flavour speculation when it was the subject being discussed.
Quite a scummy vote in my eyes actually.
I'll keep this in mind if the mafia flip the Shu family.
After questioning Ludi, Ray Frost "can't think of scum motovation for excluding it?" Then why say he 'had an issue with it?. 'The bad vibes from Ray increase.
1. I thought Vi was having a sincere restriction here because she doesn't tend to be deliberately annoying but... "idiot input" is my hobby and job. For serious. C-worl was quite obviously fake so I said as much. It's more a neutral thing. I don't see much point to them alignment-wise.
The subject wasn't being discussed by anybody other than someone he stated a "scum read on" (which he redacted upon my suspecting him by the way) for initiating it. If someone's scummy for initiating such a conversation and then he does something of similar tact (he does in that he initiates speculating onspecificcharacters forsomefamilies)... I fail to see the issue with my vote. He did something he considers scummy (note that I disagree with his assessment that it is scummy) and I find doing things you think to be scummy (aka double standards) scummy.
After further posting from ludi I felt that my initial suspicion based off of *leaving out wu* wasn'tas big an issueas I was making it. I can't really think of much scum motivation for both doing it and then arguing that he was valid in doing so instead of alternatives such as deflecting / just doing it / etc. + the clarity that iece gave me in that the bromance is not quite as lolobv as it is for shu and the like. I know that it's strange for someone to actually use new information but... I do.
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Juls wrote:RayFrost
Post 118 and others: What is your concern with people having a town read on you? You have asked both iece and Vi to explain.
Erm. I suppose this explanation might be a bit confusing but...
I have an instinctual distrust of town reads on me that I can't follow. I don't feel that I've done all that much this game to give a town read like what they are getting off of me. When I don't have the same read on my play (I don't see myself as *clearly* town - maybe a slight town read but... :/) as people are saying about me I want explanations. 1) Helps me improve my play over all (Doing x is good town play etc) and 2) helps me read the person in question based upon the reasoning they supply.
Oddly enough... I'm more comfortable with scum reads on me than I am with town reads. Haven't always been but meh.don't you feel silly now?-
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Show your work
Read above
To take something out of the book of cyberbob... lol
Inhim: do you feel the laughable c-worl posting is scummier than CSL's "wait a minute" post?
I like how you pretty much copy the argument that came before and don't really comment on the rest of the game.
I agree with mykonian. Myko is also town. Elvis is scum.
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Katsuki got something right. Holy shit.
Anger reads false.
I find deity's complete lack of given reads to be suspect.DeityKabuto: Reads. Now.
Maxous - I don't follow the juls suspicion.
From this I assume you think I'm scummy - are there going to be posts about this or is "where's the follow up" going to be it?
Juls... I know you think the theory stuff and handling the uel mechanic properly is VERY SUPER SPECIAL IMPORTANT but...
WHERE ARE THE READS? Seriously. Give. Reads. Preferably now. You've still got your vote on amrun based upon (from what I can tell) her one post early in the game and her subsequent defensiveness. I disagree with your assessment but feel fine about it. Where's the rest of your thoughts about theplayers?Last edited by SpyreX on Tue May 24, 2011 8:56 am, edited 1 time in total.don't you feel silly now?-
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Maxous wrote:Ray Frost - 245 wrote: I thought Vi was having a sincere restriction here because she doesn't tend to be deliberately annoying but..."idiot input" is my hobby and job.
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Ray Frost - 98 wrote: This(C-Worl) and this(Vi) read like made up post restrictions to me.
There is a clear inconsistency here.
Also you see them as null tells that don't point to thier alignment in any way even though you think C-Worl and maybe Vi are making them up? Then why mention it?
Read the bolded bro. It's a joke. I joke about stuff. I know I know... mafia r srs bznz. - I mention it because 1) I like giving idiot input and 2) I don't want to deal with c-worl aking a post restriction when his play from my experience is already inherently not that good.
xous wrote:And while you are it please explain why GreyICE is 'bad town' and you want himself and AGM to stop arguing?
I'm probably tunneling at this stage but what are you referring to by almost as terrible as Ludi?
Do you think C-Worl is mafia or not? And if Ludi is 'terrible' (I'm assuming this means scummy) then why did you change your vote?
I've a history with GreyICE. Well... sorta. Two recent games. He's cock sure of himself 24/7 and pretty much says "LOLNOPE" in reaction to people that disagree with him. Both games we've had together he was town so my meta's a tad incomplete but so far he's shown the same attitude as in the two games: "I'm right you're wrong so I'm not listening" - consistent behavior with his other two games. That said... anyone with scum-meta willing to say if this matches his scum meta as well?
C-worl / Ludi / Unicorn Madness = scum. I just can't decide on which one's more important. C-worl's scum for ridonculous accusations tied with completely insulting and terrible reasoning along with saying essentially nothing about the game aside from "lololol agm + greyice scumz0r"
You already know my ludi stuff. Suffice to say my reasoing on UM will reveal itself... in time.
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By the way RC's suggestions for the duel against gamma seem a little too close to the easy route for me. With the exception of B bros(whom I never played with before) I probably could of told you before the game that the other 3 people he suggested would be early suspects.
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Amrun's posting is bad in the "I completely disagree with your assessment of this player but I can kinda see where you are coming from" kind of way. In contrast with our scumhunting machine (lolVi) I have a slightly town read on amrun. She's actually putting some effort into this even if she doesn't seem to be paying enough attention to everything.
Deity's posting is bad in the "is he going to say something useful soon" kind of way. Deity... reads on peoplenot named amrun. Sometime within the next century. Thanks.don't you feel silly now?-
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I'm having a really really hard time getting an alignment read on Vi at this point and I am starting to get edgey about how Iece is focusing 90% of his posts on explaining the flavor behind his ludi suspicion.
Iece:Do you haveanyreads aside from ludi?
This game has too many people that are focusing all their attention on one target and ignoring everybody else. Stop it.don't you feel silly now?-
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GreyICE wrote:@RayFrost: Bad meta again, I ignore stuff town or scum. Also I don't ignore people, I just ignore silly ideas. Lynching Fatso was a silly idea because he was obvtown. Lynching danaspot was a silly idea, same. I bounced ideas off quite a few people, and I remember following your hydra after I poked you enough to confirm the alignment.
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C-Worl wrote:RayFrost wrote:C-worl's scum for ridonculous accusations tied with completely insulting and terrible reasoning along with saying essentially nothing about the game aside from "lololol agm + greyice scumz0r"
That's completely retarded. You think I'm scum for stating my reads, disagreeing with other people's stupid plan, and actually sticking to reads that I find valid. D1 it's hard to get any scum reads without a flip must less two reads with no flips. I'm sticking to my guns until I see one of them in a grave unless you can actually change my mind on the subject.
(Hint: In order to attempt changing my mind you have to actual make a counter case to mine instead of just attempting to discredit it by laughing it off.)
You've gottworeads. No other reads at all. That's the issue. I've gotten plenty of reads even if they are slight and have stated them while you've said essentially nothing about the game state.
You're "plan" is essentially "fuck you guys I do what I want" - please to be explaining how this is good play. Even if you trust your reads to that extent... if we think you're scum we'll have you lose the duel you initiate meaning you'll only empower your "scum read" that you dueled. This is why your plan won't be effectual regarding the duel mechanic.
Also: people seem to not understand something
In a duel we can have both people lose by voting "no winner" - this means both duelists die. A duel can essentially be a double lynch. Please consider this when you're talking about it.don't you feel silly now?-
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Deity: mafia is first and foremost a team game. Working together to find the scum is crucial and people going all vigilante with something that can be a very powerful tool is not what I'd call wise or good play. I'm not demanding that healways do what everybody else wantslike you seem to be implying. I'm saying that we've come up with a good and solid system and that his pig headedness here is not good. This is especially true because his single action can impact the rest of us in not-positive ways.
Vi: wut. How is maxous being bullied and how is he an easy target? Also: bullying is a scumtell... since when? AFAIK I've been a pretty major "bully" by your standards in the majority of the games where I'm actually playing them if what I posted re: maxous is bullying.
Alsoreallydon't follow how giving my reads on both deity and amrun is bullying either. I demand reads from someone who (still) isn't providing them. You call this bullying. I call this wanting content.don't you feel silly now?-
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Quick post before I go out the door:
Maxous dropping me like a hot potato is noted. "Still not convinced" but not actually going to say why or anything. Just a light mention. And then he vote hops next post. Although he's getting on a scum wagon I don't like the method in which he did so.don't you feel silly now?-
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Vi wrote:...
RayFrost 377... In regards to bullying:
Concern in regards to Maxous at minimumRayFrost 334 wrote:C-worl / Ludi / Unicorn Madness = scum. I just can't decide on which one's more important. C-worl's scum for ridonculous accusations tied with completely insulting and terrible reasoning along with saying essentially nothing about the game aside from "lololol agm + greyice scumz0r"
You already know my ludi stuff. Suffice to say my reasoing on UM will reveal itself... in time.
Oh. I don't see ludi as an "easy target" either. C-worl might be an "easy target" but I hardly see what I'm doing here as bullying considering that it's essentially describing everything about his play at the time. Also: "stop using easy lynch as an argument" thread says hi?don't you feel silly now?-
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So my current omfgobvtown reads are: Vi, Gamma, Juls, Mykonian, and... wait for it... Amrun. I bet only one of these is a surprise. Vi is a dayvig. Vi hit scum. Vi is town. Gamma's town for :goodposting: like in [redacted]. Juls is someone my instinct says not to trust. Might just be the fact my last game with her I didn't have any good interactions with her on a not-quite-game-related level, so bad memories etc. More trusting everybody else here on this one because I think I've got bias. Myko's calling of RC scum earlier in cmbnation with the lack of a fake feeling surrounding his push on EK = solid town read. Amrun's probably the explanation you guys want, and here it is: amrun has been one of the incarnations of actively posting reads an providing content this game. She's replied rather well to the amounts of pressure place on her, and I can't really understand what the case on her even is to begin with.
Slight town reads: AGM, GreyICE. I've experience with both of them. They both give me the squishy good feeling that means I want to punch GreyICE and tell him to shut up even though I know he's town and means well while I just roll my eyes at AGM and don't even feel like I should bother.
Needless to say, I don't have the best of experiences with them but yeah... still think they're town.
For my null reads: Magister Ludi, Maxous, Inhim, Elvis, Kats, DK and Iece. ML's initial stuff bugged me but I fee that his posting's improved over time. Maxous' posting is too far an few between for me to really get a firm grasp on how I feel about him. Inhim's presence this game has been really low but lack of experience with him means I dunno the alignment tell on that (trusting Vi n this would put Inhim as leaning scum by the by). On EK, gut says town, myko (town read) says otherwise. I don't consider myself the strongest scumhunter, so they nullify each other. Kats has been... kats. Initially, DK was on my scum list, but I feel less like he's scum after reading his iso. The fact his presence hs been low is fine when contrasted with his posts actually having smething to them rather than being words. I feel like Iece has really tunneledhardon ML in the past but his read-over posting was nice, and I want to see his play now that he isn't going "omfg omfg ml must die omfg" all the time.
Leaning scum: C-worl (onlyleaninghere because I'm trying to trust Vi's word on this a bit more than my own) and BBros. C-worl's lacked content in 90% of his posts. His strongest "content" posts are... trying to convince toasty to not nominate gamma to win. I'm having a hard time seeing how he has any town logic here, but I guess heisa bit dim. I want to see some actual reads out of him, though. BB has a strange contrast when I read through his iso. His main large posts read rather competent but then when I read his smaller ones I get the feeling of someone who's at least seeming ignorant when it comes to how to play. The contrast really sets me on edge, which is why he's here. Feels like the newbie feeling Im getting is deliberate and faked.
Scum: DUM.
DUM's posting across the board is just unutterably bad except for this post. They've come in mostly taking either light pot shots or doing absolutely nothing. They even go "You didn't state reasoning, omg!" and then fail to state reasoning for their own list. The double standard just really sticks. Also feel the exception to their bad posting is fine but the follow up on the reads given is... non-existent really. They just make posts like these and seem to adjust their "reads" on people based upon whether they suspect toasty. The super strong push there reads like fake tunneling in an attempt to not have to back up anything else about what they say (not that they've said much anyway...).don't you feel silly now?-
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RayFrost Survivor
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I'm really starting to get annoyed by your "rayfrost is going with easy things, scummeh!" instead of actually explaining how my reads are at least in some way bad. Do you find my lgoic for amrun town to be poor?
Yes, many null reads. Sue me, I'm having a hard time placing a finger on them either way. DUMislikely scum.
And... are you really usingself-meta from meas a basis for a read on me?
What makes you feel that my reads are "artificial" by the by?don't you feel silly now?-
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Erm, Vi. How long has it been since you last had a game with us both in it? Going "afaik you haven't buddied me as town" is true, but we haven't had a completed game with me-town or even a game where I flipped town and buddied you that's remotely recent. The meta is at best outdated and useless and at worst outdated and harmful to your ability to read me.
What makes you think my thoughts re: scum / not sure is made up? I asked this before, I'm asking this again.
Also:AGM and GreyICE are with high probability not both scum. Perhaps one of them, but at least one townie is there between them. If you want to force a duel involving one of them, I'd recommend GreyICE over AGM.
P-edit: words. Will read after posting.don't you feel silly now?-
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Vi: 1) you were scum that game, 2) that was hardly a gameanybodyin it would call a display of good play.
Obv disagree that the scum = likely town. Easy targets are easy targets because they're scummy. Likely (as in obv) scum = easy target.
I moved DK from scum to null. ML's leaning town in all honesty, but I don't have as strong a town read on him as I do on agm / greyice leading to him being put as the "top" null read so to speak. Also please to be explaining how people not being easy to read means I should be having reads on them. Which is kinda your reasoning for finding my null list artificial.
God, I should just revert to my good old LoS style. Made the distinguishing of thingssomuch easier.don't you feel silly now?-
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Vi. You disagree with my reads, I'm willing to accept that. I understand that you feel my scum reads are on "likely town." - Please point out the flaw(s) in my reasoning. Otherwise, I'm just going to put this as "Vi disagrees with me and thinks I'm scum because we have different reads" and move on.don't you feel silly now?-
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