Now, tell me who the cult recruiter is.
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^Did you see the reasoning used? Obvious d1 bus.
Also, MoI clearly came out scummier from what I saw. He reaction-voted thinking we're all serious about the LMP lynch. Scum would think we're serious, avoid the wagon, and attack the person leading it by saying they were under the guise of pursuing a mislynch. They don't want to be a late voter on what seems to be a quicklynch wagon and that was a textbook scum reaction to it.
Unvote; Vote: MoI
SK sucks, really, but some of the people on the wagon are worse and I doubt there are that many people bussing him.
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SK wrote:I'm still leaning toward the MoI side of the fence, but my LB vote suddenly became attractive again.
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Spyrex is town.
Whoever asked, I disliked LB, Empking, and Maemuki. LB's looking pretty good now after the lower half of page 6. Good thing too since I didn't feel like having to go for Faraday.
Magua wrote:Why am I not going to vote for her? Because I *can*.
It's like gut had a baby.
AGM wrote:Check out the people in bold. Notice the correlation - they are all sketchy people
Except, you know, you forgot to bold MoI who is also avoiding the top wagons. SK's the same type of wagon MoI is, if you ask me, in the finger pointing area. Let's compromise: lynch MoI and let the vig take care of SK. Simple and efficient.
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hasdgfas wrote:Hinduragi wrote:LB's looking pretty good now after the lower half of page 6.
Do you mind pointing this out to a blind cow who has no idea what you're seeing?
141 and 147 if I had to be all specific. I liked his behavior throughout the bottom half as well and I agreed with the Thor comment. That whole post looked like a 30 second skim of the thread with thoughts added.First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.-
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Actually, LB, you're right. He couldn't rub it in your face if you were scum.
On another note, DGB is basically stating my reads for me. Seriously, everytime I read something and think "that guy's town", she says the same thing except in-thread. Though, I'm beginning to be wary about "Hey, that person has the same mindset as me when I read this so they must be town" because it's unusual for that to happen like this in a game. Then again, I haven't started a large theme as town before, only replaced into one where I had to skim a lot to catch up. Maybe that's it.
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DrippingGoofball wrote:Yeah, Nexus is town.
CAN'T YOU SEE THAT MoI IS STALLING CLAIM????????????????????????????????????????
Like I said, DGB just has all my reads. Also, this Nexus situation holding up our scum lynch is annoying. If you're town, stop looking at the scum alternative to bussing and get the hell back over here.First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.-
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Empking wrote:Didn't we all say that we wanted to get rid of Magua before he had as chance to recruit?
I think that was you. But, you're right, Magua was supposed to be vig'd dead right now.
I might need to reread but I specifically remember Maemuki wasn't good. This post. In it you can find the great wonders of discrediting, avoiding wagons, angry at being caught, and promises of content.
Maemuki wrote:but logic dictates MoI should be scummy, yet my gut says that he isn't.
Oh yes. But...it gets better.
Her vote before that was worse. It was a shameless bandwagon and she coasted on it.
Maemuki wrote:As for my current vote, SK? Sorry, but even with that post, you're still my main suspect. Why? Well...to be completely fair, you do bring a couple of points I agree on, like LL. And I'm not as sure. I don't know...I don't find anything overly scummy about it, nor overly townie. It's just a post.
"I will be resting my vote here even though I find him null" when there are plenty of better places for a vote.
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Yo Spyrex, you don't think a cult leader would be more likely to lurk? I'm thinking survivalist tactics and that brings me to lurking, avoiding bandwagons, and generally keeping as many options open as possible. Maemuki decided to take all 3 options. Lay down CR Hunting 101 for me if I'm wrong here.First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.-
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First off, my basic thoughts before this reread. You'll also get to read the crazy conspiracy theories I have when I scumhunt. You can question them all you want but they probably won't make much sense to you. I'm not saying follow them to the fucking letter but they do help, especially since I get them from my gut and usually my gut tells me who's scum and is right about it.
SK's recent posts are posts I read as town. Meaning SK's probably town.
Kast was killed by mafia spiting MoI and his last scumread. Makes me think at least one aggressive person on the MoI wagon is scum.
DGB is my strongest town read. Spyrex is a close second. I've had probably town on Setael since 132. There was something I saw about Cow that I didn't like. I can't remember what it was but I'm sure I'll come across it. I need to look at why Espeon is getting votes now. His catchup post was pretty good and the replacement ruined my Maemuki-scum idea. This wagon makes me think Maemuki-scum replaced out under pressure but I need to see if/why Espeon is scummy.
I like Andy but something about his posts in this game has been wrong. I need to really read into him this time around.
I think I'm getting a feel for Faraday town and 48/50 is Faraday town. Also, I remember I said something else about LB being town earlier on so I'm glad that backs this up.
Were you onto something here? I don't get it.POWERFUL WIZARD wrote:
SK and AGM put the SERIOUS BUSINESS BATTLE up with the first two posts. But, its the next two: has and DGB that vote for LMP and "start the wagon".Hmmm … the first two posts of the game were votes for LMP and Vezok. One of these players absolutely deserves an RVS wagon to oblivion. But it isn’t LMP.
If Vezok flips scum those that actively chose to not vote uber-VI Vezok and instead went with LMP have juicy, juicy scum waiting to be picked hiding in that list.
Again. Has andDGB.
Reading more closely, 101 is shit. Here's 100 for context.
I still like AGM's 160 even though I disagree.
Yo Faraday, in the firsthalf3/4 of page 9, are you playing a game or what? The second half of 208 isn't good. I was thinking the exact same thing when I read what DGB said.
238-SK wrote:An overwhelming amount of content, I know. Also, you sheeped the LMP wagon and my wagon. The only wagon I sheeped on was MoI's.
Let's not play the "who sheeped more" game.
Empking wrote:the only town read I have that isn't on SK is DGB
One would wonder why you wanted to hammer MoI, then.
DGB, what did you have on Magua once you posted 280? Also, if you want, go down to 289, you were already voting MoI.
....I found some posts Imissedskimmedlolskimmed before. 290/ makes me want to think Bilbo is town. One thing keeps me from this: I don't remember townAndy posting walls and acting like thi. I hate to ruin your big scumfound effort, Andy, but Faraday's town too.
Setael's still town 292.
306 is all kinds of bad.
Andy wrote:Then we lynch Magua_CR before he gets to recruit.
Then we go back to lynching scum.
Badda-bing badda-boom, town win.
While this would be awesome, I don't think it's that simple. If Cult loses because of one lucky early lynch on the CR, this makes no sense in terms of balance.
<MoI doesn't claim and the wagon is stalled. Lots of blank space in these pages.>
373 backs up earlier Cow reads. Nexus is town. 381 backs up the Cow read again, especially after you see "Nexus is town".
AGM 391 wrote:I still like Magua for today, though.
AGM 556 wrote:Unvote, Vote: SK
Okay.
Why didn't you push him D2? I saw the initial vote, but why go SK now when his wagon is rising from the dead?
LL wrote:Hinduragi's repeated DGB-sheeping is beginning to look very much like he doesn't have any ideas of his own.
Missed this earlier. If I was sheeping, I'd let you know. Most, if not all, of the things I had found scummy she found scummy and said were scummy before I posted. She even pushed the Magua unvote/revote thing before I had a chance to spot it.
Nexus 448 wrote:vote: MoI Now he's back at L-1.
He has been at hypothetical L-1 since I unvoted last time, because that is what the argument around my entire wagon has been about.
Pray tell, why'd you revote?
D1 end - I don't know why, but I don't like Thor. I read his posts and they check out ok. Gut says something is wrong.
MMM, what's that smell? 500 says everything I wanted to know and more. Cow leaves Nexus, Thor, and LB to go for Empking because he is trying to sound impressive.
Empking wrote:The first bit of this post is very good though I disagree with the conclusions. Hindu: Cult recruitor play is very similar to going to be replaced play. Can you take some of your logic and place your vote where those stuff are actually a tell?
Did I answer this? I don't remember. Anyways, I don't get what dance you're doing. Maemuki was definitely a shining role model of all the points I made.
Spyrex? How?SK wrote:There are several players that look scummy, but it may just be due to their playstyle (Empking and Spyrex, to name a couple).
Wow, I didn't read into that vote enough. Good thing I decided to reread instead of mass-skim everything I didn't feel was of the utmost importance.567 was an opinion change from SK to Thor. From what I saw, the case was SK's voting change? I didn't see that as scummy in the slightest. Disappearing isn't a particularly good reason because it's factoring too many variables for math to be able to handle.
584 may not be perfect logic but this post makes me think town all over. PRETTY SURE SK IS TOWN. LIKE REALLY.
Spyrex wrote:Benmage is town today. For reals. Mad reals. Readjust. This tree is not for barking.
Agreed. But why are you all over this cult paranoia business? >_> First, it was the thing where Cult D1 lynch != GG. Now, I'm seeing your townreads go "they're townFOR TODAY".
So you're thinking Faraday wanted to make his scumreads rage in order to taunt them in a giant scramble for townpoints? ...Plum wrote:- I'm not sure that Faraday is innocent in his irritation of LMP and so forth
Empking wrote:I'm confused. Though I agree that BB is obvtown and that nobody in their right mind would vote BB, what does it mean considering SK did vote BB?
SK has balls of steel but doesn't have his reads right.
Thor vs. Benmage is one tired argument that is long overdue for a permanent nap.
Espeon wrote:@ Everyone: I'd like to see everyone's stance on Seteal's alliance.
Town.
DGB wrote:You're both town
Thor? (Now that I'm almost done catching up, I can see this)
AGM wrote:And check out how, ONCE AGAIN, the same people as yesterday are responsible for the stall.
You can't really accuse SK of this, though.
Empking wrote:Yes but if people want to look at MOI for buddies then they have to wait for SK to flip
I hope this isn't one of the reasons you're voting SK for.
Espeon wrote:Is it just me or is this AtE looking really bad.
Unvote, Vote: SK
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Changing votes, disappearing, and AtE. A quality vote in its finest form.
Spyrex wrote:While not IRON CLAD I have more reasons than that to believe this is a teaparty.
You know I can't go off of just this, Spyrex, especially on a town read.
...Souls to Smith was bad. Still not going SK. I can't believe she's scum. Plus, I've seen claims not make sense flavor-wise. It isn't a new thing. I'd love to hammer and then point out Espbuddy, but my heart isn't in this lynch because SK's pretty much town.
727 - I wasn't 100% sold on it earlier but now I know. AGM's town.
DGB is the source of all things town.
LMP wrote:I'd be willing to let the claim ride and see what happens tonight if not for the "but I don't work until night 3" buisiness. Add that with the blown flavor and it reads like a claim intended to stall/kill the wagon more than an actual real role.
Unvote
Vote: SK
Might as well fess up SK now that you're hammered
Fuck you. I fell alseep typing this and wake up to read a hammer.
For the record, I was going to vote Cow because if I changed my read earlier on Esp for skimming, I trust myself that some part of that post was town.
Just read the VC. Failed hard.
Spyrex wrote:So, what I think happened is after the claim was botched (and, regardless of whatever teaparty you want to call it WAS botched as per SK's ) Esp knew he had to go into distance mode BUT didn't know exactly what/how he was distancing from. Hence the "AtE" vote and the "omg don't discuss the fakeclaim"
If you are right about this, I love you, Spyrex.
Benmage wrote:Setael is scum
No.
Thor wrote:Since apparently none of you actually care wht your vote does - might as well sheep onto the Espeo wagon.
I was rereading the entire thread.
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Right, I forgot sheeping DGB was so D1. She's right on track here, though.
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"MoI is scum because he doesn't feel genuine"
That tells me a lot. How about you guys?
373,<"Nexus is town" proclaimed by 3-4 people>,381
"Nexus is scum." <Nexus-town> "MoI is more of a priority. Back to the wagon"
Because MoI isn't genuine and is now a priority, even though Nexus is scum.
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Thor wrote:If you are relatively equal in feelings between Espeo and Cow how about you spring back to Espeo and let's actually run this one through.
I'm pretty closely torn but I feel this one will yield results. You'll see.
Thor wrote:Are you saying Cow's was the worst reasoning on that wagon, and that's why he's the scum?
No, I'm saying his reasoning was shit and I don't buy town using it. Ever. I'll be damned if I looked at everyone's reasoning and compared it to Cow's just to say he made the worst vote on a wagon.
Blending in. Not wanting to be voting a townread. Not wanting to be caught for avoiding a mislynch. Saving face. You decide.Thor wrote:I'm confused what the scumtell is with this one. You have accurately described what he did, and probably I'm just being dense, but what was the scum maneuver here?First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.-
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ISO'd him. Looks town. It's his attitude that does it for me. Sure, the reasons are bad but I just feel like he's town. And there's more to it about Cow. I'm just not good at putting it into words. The way he goes about it? I don't know. Look at the posts I mentioned, maybe you'll pick up on it.First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.-
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Hiraki, Spyrex? HIRAKI?
Spyrex wrote:If MoI was cult it would have been GG is my guess.
I thought you were saying the opposite. It doesn't make any sense for a D1 lynch to be gg for an entire faction and I thought you were saying that too.
Cow wrote:so?
Bad reasoning, combined with the right attitude and play, usually points to scum. You didn't comment on the case on him at all.
Why not just ask Nexus? He had 3 other votes on him. A fourth wouldn't have made much of a difference.
Cow wrote:Beg pardon? I'm "leaving" people? At the start of the day?
Yes. You hadthreetwo scumreads. LB, Thor,Nexus. You didn't say anything about them at all before D2-start, where you posted this.
Cow wrote:vote: Empking
after re-reading him, it seems that he's putting trying to sound impressive(read:town) without actually saying anything.
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SpyreX wrote:I don't know. This game. It's running out of steam.
Yes it is.
Here's an amazing ONE TIME OFFER:
Tell me how I'm wrong about SK's slip. Give me a plausible scenario for the events laid out and we'll swing it this way.
Otherwise, jump on the wagon. IF I am wrong (I'm not) the other can happen.
Dealio?
I was going to respond to this with your Hiraki/Hinduragi mixup. It was almost exactly the same type of mixup asides from the importance of it.
Setael, is that hydra still waiting on approval?
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Vote: Cow
The bottom of 998 is pro. Maybe 3 unrecruitables? 2?
Fun Fact: Andy made a pretty good case on Magua before he died. 577. Double-points to the first 998 theory.
I've got some type of hardcore gut town on LB. I don't know what that is but I still don't think he's scum.
I don't see Thor-scum.
LL is probscum. Something shakes me about his posts.
Of all the players still alive, Nexus is a good recruit and is lurking enough with a former townread to boot. Sketchy definitely describes him.
Empking I can see and I looked into it since Cow was voting him but I'm not all that sure. Good bus opportunity.
Espeonage is next after Cow.
Vezok is scum because of the swivel on MoI and because of SK comments.
LMP I could argue but I still have somewhat of a town read on him.
You're right about Magua and that's why I still haven't been able to get a solid read on him, especially since he was helping me with Maemuki early D2. I wish our vig could've shot during N1. What with I pointed out above and 998, I'd say scum.First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.-
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Magua wrote:WHY IN THE EVERLOVING BLEEP FOR BLEEP ARE DGB AND BENMAGE AND HINDURAGI SAYING I'M SCUM AND THEN VOTING FOR COW?
I was already voting for Cow because I thought he was scum long ago. I also trust DGB's vote on him over you after she raised the original point against you.
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Cyber wrote:Hinduragi, DGB & LMP have said that either him or Maemuki are probably scum but haven't actually gone anywhere with that position
Read: D2 Start.
Cyber, point out who made which posts.
Yes, Ben is town. I could pick up his wagon being scum driven but I don't see Thor scum. Also, this lack of scrambling makes me think we haven't called out the scumteam yet, like we're missing some and the others we did call out are a little calm or we called out mafia and cult. There is a lot of avoiding the Cow wagon going on though, which does make me feel better about it.
Is Cow stalling or what? That's why this day feels like it's not going anywhere.
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Benmage wrote:Damnit AGM/ HINDU!!
DO YOU TWO ONLY ALWAYS VOTE YOUR TOP SUSPECT... OR DO YOU VOTE YOUR SECOND IF THE LYNCH SEEMS MORE VIABLE?!?!?
AGM is right. Shit question. I know you're doing it to prove a point, but still. Second if the lynch seems more viable, everytime. Unless, you've got something like a cop on the first one, but come on, that's mafia 101.
CR Recruits?
-Cyber. His play does not match up at all to yesterday and there's some kind of fake way in which he points out the Esp lurking that I didn't like. That's why I want him to sign his posts.
-Nexus. Former townread and plenty of lurking makes a good survivalist. I liked his response to my lurking question.
-Empking/Locke. No reason really, except they've been coasting.
Ben wrote:Also, what do you think Cow is stalling? Where is the strategic value in him stalling?
....Really? This is worse than the last question. He's the top lynch candidate and there are competing wagons that could possibly out-drive his.
DGB wrote:Since Porochaz was recruited, we know that at least one recruiter isn't jockeying for quality on his team.
DGB handles cults all day long and doesn't afraid of anything.
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It's not following directions. It's more of "lolol I'll post at L-4 and not do anything". I don't think Cow even cares about defending himself today but he cared enough to respond to some points yesterday.
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He did for Thor. Well, kinda. Remember when I asked him why he didn't go for Thor? His response was bullshit, at best, so that does make this better. I have no idea why he didn't investigate Empking or LB, though. Locke makes no sense.First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.-
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It isn't BUT Father represents judgement so if anyone would be a cop, it would be him. And scum nk'ing the cult cop is laughable at best. They want to kill the cult too. Hell, cult cop could even be a mafia fakeclaim or actual role.First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.-
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No, I'm asking you to point out who's making the posts on the hydra. I didn't ask you about Espeon in that post at all. I said to sign your posts because YOU are looking scummy. I have no fucking idea how you get that I said that in relation to Espeon. You've been ignoring Cow even though he was one of your scumreads back before the hydra was made. One could even say you're tunneling on Espeon.
Also, read my wall/reread post. I commented on him.
Faraday wrote:hasdgfas is town, let's not be stupid here, thanks.
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Sigh,Unvote.
I can't commit to this lynch even though I've been behind it for so long. When I was pushing Cow and reading his ISO yesterday, I did notice he had a one-liner behind the early Empking vote. I know it's not much but it did ruin what I was thinking about that vote. Also, pretty sure any fakeclaimer would just form his story to match his ISO. He had LB and Empking to investigate. No reason to have a shitty target who he hasn't even mentioned before if he fakeclaimed. Coupled with Faraday, whose townreads I like to trust when he's a townread, I'll fly with letting him live.
Still, we've got one week to find someone to string up and we are just now coming alive.
Vote: CyberSet
I'd like to see where this goes. It's an interesting route.
DGB wrote:I do know him to be clever enough to pull a gambit that will let him lice until end game *spreads arms wide*. His choices are sketchy at best, and there are no breadcrumbs. On the other hand I'd hate to lynch a cult cop, but the thing is, I don't believe him.
I don't know, DGB. The claim does check out and it doesn't check out, like Locke. I'd rather not have a SK repeat, but Cow sure isn't trying like she was. You're right that a cult cop should be doing better but he DID say he was losing interest or something when he was lurking so I can't be that sure.First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.-
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Magua wrote:People playing stupidly or suboptimally makes me rage.Magua wrote:GOD FUCKING DAMMIT
JESUS
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WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK FOR FUCK
1340 does not compute.
Magua wrote:Oh. Jesus. Twice now I've fallen for that shit. When am I going to learn.
No. That was an actual hammer. You can keep raging.First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.-
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Let's keep going with Cyber. He's good. Hascow has too much "Oh shit, is he really lying" surrounding him for it to be trusted. Plus he can prove his role and be useful for scumcatching. He either learned his lesson or DGB is spot-on.
And no, Magua, it doesn't compute. DGB's right that he should've seen it.
Cow either dies from when he was hammered or LB's save was real and we keep going on CyberSet.
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Be reasonable, DGB.
Cyber wrote:We have not been ignoring Cow, he has been mentioned a number of times as a viable lynch since the hydra was made.
This needs quotes.
lol @ the votes on us btw
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We had a week and needed to go somewhere. Looked like there may be scum in there. It was mainly reaction testing to a wagon but it was progress. I got an alright reaction to just two votes, though. And a big wall of angry text to two sentences.First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.-
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Vote: Spyrex
Scum must be borderline fucking retarded. How many of us said Spyrex might be the CR? 3? 4? Same cult-paranoia throughout the game and he's pushing a predetermined cult case on me. False as hell. I'd been pushing Cow long before he claimed. This looks bad considering he DID flip Cult Cop but to hell with that. If I get lynched, I get lynched. At least Spyrex will be NK'd from it.First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.-
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Italicise is from way back in D2 when I did a reread and saw a thing about Spyrex's posts that irked me.
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p3098058
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p3102362(Basically confirmed non-mafia if you ask me)
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p3106538
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p3106880
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p3173750 I get the "case" on me here and in his next posts he votes Cow. Does not compute.
Do you realize how juicy this quote is now that I looked back on it?Spyrex wrote:Benmage is town today. For reals. Mad reals. Readjust. This tree is not for barking.
Agreed. But why are you all over this cult paranoia business? >_> First, it was the thing where Cult D1 lynch != GG. Now, I'm seeing your townreads go "they're town FOR TODAY".First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.-
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