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posting to say I exist but not reading this game til tomorrow-
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In post 115, glowball wrote:In post 43, Amrun wrote:posting to say I exist but not reading this game til tomorrow
It's tomorrow, and you're the only one not voting and neither is "roxi" so I'm assuming the vote belongs to you?
IDK... care to comment on this?
Why would you assume that? That's not a very rational thing to assume.
Okay, the whole world is a sea of null EXCEPT:
Jason - scum
Sotty - town
xvart - town
glow - town
Every single post of Jason's has struck me the wrong way, starting from his painfully awkward over-explained RVS to the fence rending his ass over the Quilford wagon. He states his thoughts on the Quilford wagon and then asks C.E.S. to explain - it read like "o hai i can get on wagon plz?" to me.
Sotty gets to be town for seeing the same thing in jason's rvs post as me, xvart for seeing something similar in jason's stance on Quilford. Sottytown stronger than xvart town, because all of Sotty's posts just give me townvibes.
glowtown is weak, but there. I usually read her exceptionally well, so I'm going to go with my gut on this one.
VOTE: Jason-
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In post 129, jasonT1981 wrote:In post 127, Amrun wrote:
Every single post of Jason's has struck me the wrong way, starting from his painfully awkward over-explained RVS to the fence rending his ass over the Quilford wagon. He states his thoughts on the Quilford wagon and then asks C.E.S. to explain - it read like "o hai i can get on wagon plz?" to me.
Given I stated Quil is more likely to do this as town.. I doubt how asking someone to explain their suspicions on Quil is me looking to try and get on the wagon.
Nice try but fail.
I know what you SAID, but your vibes said something else to me.
In post 130, xRECKONERx wrote:Throw Amrun in the maybescum column.
That post was noncommittal as FUCK.
Out of curiosity, how was that noncommittal? I have taken a pretty strong stance, in my opinion. I don't have a large amount of strong reads - though of course, if asked about anyone in particular, I can and will say what I think - but the reads I do have are quite strong and a great jumping off point for me. One strong scum, several solid town. That's a good start, in my opinion, and I'm happy with it.-
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*rolls eyes*
I told you the impression I got from the posts. You were fencesitting; it seemed you were defending him weakly on hand while looking for an excuse to hop on the wagon on the other.-
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In post 135, jasonT1981 wrote:So, why would I defend him... only to jump on his wagon?
see the sense you are not making here?
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Listen, we don't kill vig claims... That's dumb.
Haven't properly caught up, but I wanted to say that. Let's lynch jason instead.-
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I could get behind this. He's reminding me of "stall timez as scum" from white flag llama.-
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CES is following my votes etc. and it's weirding me out.
Not in a scummy way. Just kind of funny. Last time we played together he lynched me. x.x I forget if he was town or scum though.
HOWEVER now I am lonely on Jason and still opposing a lewarcher lynch for today, so voting bloc for great glory:
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Now I'm having flashbacks to the last time I tried to get llamarble lynched. *cries*
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I have advocated for the lynching of vigs etc before, in different circumstances.
In this case, I think it's dumb. We haven't had any flips yet. People think he's an SK and want to lynch him for itwhen we don't even know if there is an SK.
He should get at least one night for evaluation. It's just ... common sense, to me.-
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To be totally clear, I kind of dig the case on him (especially as Vi amusingly laid out), but I still do not support the lynch.-
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If the case on him were THAT GOOD, I would understand this logic, and have even been there advocating that at some time in my life.
I just don't think lewarcher's relative scumminess dictates that level of risk in possibly killing off a town vig. It's not the right move for today.-
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I don't think that all cats are mafia. I have not made the mistake that you think I am making. Do you have any reason to think that mafia CAN'T be cats?
I assumed that the species of pet would be completely irrelevant to alignment and I'll continue thinking this until proven otherwise.
Lew may or not be a vig. I think it's worth giving him a night to see what happens.
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Yes.
Disregarding your leading question and distortion.-
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Phrasing and intent. You couched it in a way to make my point seem bad without actually addressing any way that it was bad.-
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In post 254, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Save a lynch, duh.
This, obviously.
I don't understand, UT. You want to lynch him so that he doesn't kill himself overnight?-
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Except no one is advocating that...
If he's town, it's a humongous waste of a lynch. If he's scum, we'll know by the end of the night.
It's a really dumb lynch either way.-
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In post 268, Kublai Khan wrote:*Next Day*Lewarcher82: "Gosh, I'm still alive. I don't know what happened, Mafia must have either roleblocked me or maybe glowball was lying about her dog-claim."
a) Then we lynch him, most likely.
b) If he tried to kill dog-glowball, he would die...-
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And let's say he kills a cat that's scum or kills himself on a dog?
Then we know something and gain something instead of having a 9/10 chance of losing.
IF HE'S SCUM can we be realistic and say that he doesn't have another kill on top of the faction kill.
If he's SK, I don't care and we shouldn't lynch him today, especially given the claimed nature of his role where he might accidentally kill himself.-
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In post 281, glowball wrote:You would have to believe part of his claim. I don't believe it at all, it doesn't account for multiple pets or pets other than cats/dogs.
Then that will sort itself out... It's not a claim that makes sense to lynch today. I will oppose it until the eventual end of the day.-
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It's not actually obvious he isn't town, though.
If it were ANYWHERE NEAR deadline, I might agree with you, but it isn't, and I don't.-
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That's actually the main thing that makes me think he might possibly be town.
It seems like a perfectly reasonable reaction as town to me.
Imagine that, as town, you know there is at LEAST ONE killing mechanic that relies on the species of animal for its use. You see people willy nilly revealing this; you lash out and try to quash this immediately.
I don't get why that would be weird; that's the ONLY reaction that makes sense to me.
If he really were an SK with these stipulations, it seems to me he would be a lot more likely to subtly encourage / ignore the seemingly innocuous talk of fluffy puppies.-
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It's not reason enough for a full on townread, in my opinion, but is totally weird to me that you are using that as a scumtell....-
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In post 290, Quilford wrote:Because he is killing regardless of alignment, it only makes sense that he is self-aligned.
So vigilante kills usually just don't happen if they target town, huh?-
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In post 293, Quilford wrote:I'm sorry, you guys seem to be ignoring that he apparently targets pets arbitrarily.
Um, are you blind, or am I?
Doesn't he pick his own targets?
Honestly, if I've missed something and he doesn't pick his own targets, I'm okay with lynching him. But I'm pretty sure that's not the case.
For the record, I'm not arguing that he is town. I'm arguing that his alignment cannot yet be determined for sure and that he is not the smartest lynch for today.-
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In post 299, Ghostlin wrote:In post 296, Amrun wrote:For the record, I'm not arguing that he is town. I'm arguing that his alignment cannot yet be determined for sure and that he is not the smartest lynch for today.
Why would you leave a third party role like SK alive on Day 1?
You can lynch SK day 1, but if you never lynch scum after that, you still lose. It's much better to lynch SCUM. An SK lynch is a very-little-information flip. Town can harness him to do their bidding under threat of death, as well. If he disobeys, he dies.
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In post 302, Ghostlin wrote:Consider for a minute that you absolutely believe Le's claim. Your options are:
1) Limited modified Town Vig.
2) Limited modified SK (only wins when he's the only cat alive).
3) Limited modified Scum Vig (which could happen depending on the protection roles in Town).
...And? lol-
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In post 304, Untrod Tripod wrote:In post 299, Ghostlin wrote:In post 296, Amrun wrote:For the record, I'm not arguing that he is town. I'm arguing thathis alignment cannot yet be determinedfor sure and that he is not the smartest lynch for today.
Why would you leave a third party role like SK alive on Day 1?
your logic:
we cannot prove he's town therefore he MUST be scum
ladies and gentlemen, it's the argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy in the wild! shh! don't disturb it or it will run away and we can't make fun of it.
I'm confused; was this directed at me?
In post 305, Ghostlin wrote:In post 303, Amrun wrote:In post 302, Ghostlin wrote:Consider for a minute that you absolutely believe Le's claim. Your options are:
1) Limited modified Town Vig.
2) Limited modified SK (only wins when he's the only cat alive).
3) Limited modified Scum Vig (which could happen depending on the protection roles in Town).
...And? lol
2 and 3 are scum roles. There is no middle ground if you believe in his claim there, it's gotta be one of the three.
Also, do you think just dogs or cats exist in this game?
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In post 308, Untrod Tripod wrote:@AmrunNo. It was at Ghostlin. Your argument was that since we can't determine his alignment, it's probably safer to just leave him be until we can get a better idea. Right? I'm not saying I agree with it, but I think that's a townie reaction.
Yeah, I am. I just got confused there for a sec.
Sotty, I agree; let's just move on and lynch llama. However, I don't think it has been a total waste of time. When a group of people are pushing a third party lynch, there's usually at LEAST one scum in the bunch.
Right now, my pick for that scum is Ghostlin.
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But he still picks who to target... So it's not arbitrary. It's a LIMITED VIG.
As for the pet being alive or dead, that is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT. We were told when submitting pets that you could submit a living or passed pet.-
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I also want Kublai Kahn's response to my post 288.-
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In post 317, Quilford wrote:
IT'S ARBITRARY WHO HE KILLS. NO MATTER WHO HE PICKS, WHETHER HE THINKS THEY'RE TOWN OR SCUM, HE WILL DIE UNLESS THEY'RE A CAT. HOW THE SHIT IS THIS FAIR ON HIM UNLESS HE HAS SOME WAY TO DISCERN WHO SOMEONE'S PET IS, HMM?
I think you've just demonstrated why I don't think he's an SK... That's a really difficult win condition to achieve. It's still possible, but come on, it's a lot more plausible as a town limited vig.
In post 322, Kublai Khan wrote:@Amrun - You're filling in details that aren't there. If lewarcher82 had said "Hey, we really shouldn't reveal anything about our pets, we don't know if there could be a Death-Note type killer out there." (or some sort of awareness-raising similar statement that reveals his specific game mechanic), then yeah I would be on the same page. But he didn't, and you can't get away with just imagining that he did.
P.EDIT - A short conversation with my wife and I think i got ninja'd by 2 pages worth of posts. Egads.
I don't know why you think he should have come out and said "there could be a death note type killer." That would be SUCH a softclaim, and town vigs should always be in the business of not telling scum that they're vigilantes! Are you serious?
If he had said that, I would have been like HOLD UP WTF.
He responded with, "Holy crap, stop claiming animals because it's fucking dumb."
Guess what? IT IS FUCKING DUMB. HE'S RIGHT.
If he's telling the truth, he has reason to know why it's fucking dumb, so it makes PERFECT SENSE to react that way.-
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In post 334, Kublai Khan wrote:In post 333, Amrun wrote:I don't know why you think he should have come out and said "there could be a death note type killer." That would be SUCH a softclaim, and town vigs should always be in the business of not telling scum that they're vigilantes! Are you serious?
If he had said that, I would have been like HOLD UP WTF.
He responded with, "Holy crap, stop claiming animals because it's fucking dumb."
Guess what? IT IS FUCKING DUMB. HE'S RIGHT.
If he's telling the truth, he has reason to know why it's fucking dumb, so it makes PERFECT SENSE to react that way.
Except that part of his claim is that dogs kill him. So while he might not want to encourage pet claiming, he certainly would not discourage it either.
THAT'S EXACTLY MY POINT
If he were interested in self-preservation over the town's interests, he would not discourage it.
THAT'S NOT WHAT HE DID
Town motivation. See, see, see?
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Partially, yes. For today. But I'm probing Kahn's alignment right now, shhhhh-
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In post 339, Kublai Khan wrote:In post 336, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:You do realize this entire discussion has been made moot by my governing lew, right?
Eh, not entirely. If Amrun can convince me that lewarcher82's actions are plausibly town, then I have to sheep her. Also this.
Generally, I think she's ascribing a motivation that isn't evidenced by lewarcher82's actual words. So we may just be deadlocked.
But you still need to prove how your explanation makes sense.
You are like, "Aha! He would do this thing he didn't do as scum!"
And then use that as a scumtell. I feel like I have to be missing something.-
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Where does it say that? I'm not seeing it. I'm just seeing "owners whose pets have outlived them," which is not necessarily a blanket statement on flavor, and perhaps just a nicer way of putting it.-
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No, I didn't say "other specialty vigs." It could be that, or mafia, or third party, or anything.
I agree it would have been more compelling had he brought it up himself; as I said, I don't think this is something to hang the entirety of a town read on.
You asked me if I could come up with town motivation for it. I did.
I'm trying to show reasonable doubt here. I think I succeeded.-
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In post 350, Quilford wrote:In post 341, Llamarble wrote:Eh, mafia alignment actually makes more sense than SK.
A hard to use vig-power gives scum something to strategize on together and a vehicle for massclaim punishment.
Just like Baby Spice in Zor's Strategy Mafia game.
His described role doesn't sound like a legitimate serial killing role because of the 'you die if you shoot the wrong thing' aspect and the reduced target pool.
The way he claimed, rolling it out in two phases and mentioning Mao was killed by a dog, sounded like he has the role he has claimed even if he's scum.
Also scum totally gave town useful strategy advice (scum had ways of killing through doors) in Strategy Mafia.
Telling people not to massclaim is like the easiest thing to say town sounding things about ever.
Amrun? This sounds pretty damning.
HOW does that sound pretty damning? It doesn't at all. He's saying the exact thing I'm saying: lew's probably not an SK because of the dying thing.
Why are you looking to me, anyway?
Make your own mind up. You're starting to really rub me the wrong way. You're absolutely looking for ANY REASON to lynch lewarcher, sensical or not, instead of actually trying to figure out his alignment.-
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I read the original claim post as killing the owner...
I would like lew to clear it up, though.-
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In post 358, Untrod Tripod wrote:yes, because rather than reading the words that he wrote before we questioned it, we should give him the latitude to say "lololol of course I meant the owners!". That is a very extremely smart plan.
Okay I made a post on this and apparently lost it.
I read the post originally as meaning owners; the first time I considered otherwise was when he was asked "why do you kill cats." I can see him not making that distinction in his mind and just relating back to what his actual cat did.
More importantly, zoraster said that in his first post and though scum COULD have forgotten, if lewarcher was scum (or sk), he would already have a description of killing owners to reference and probably would have been a lot more careful in his wording of a fakeclaim.
So it shakes out to null in my eyes.
Quilford, you are being really dense right now. Even though LLamarble was expressing a general scumread on lewarcher, that is his opinion and in no way "damning."
aw crap I'm losing my scumvibes for llamarble
SOTTY HELP-
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What, Baby Spice's role in Strategy Mafia?
That proves nothing except that Lewarcher could be scum. HEY GUESS WHAT OF COURSE HE COULD BE SCUM... I never said any differently, and you are failing very hard at reading comprehension so far in this game.
But now that I think about it, zoraster is unlikely to put another role like that in two games back to back as the same alignment.
I don't see the merit in speculating about mod meta in this instance; I speculated about it because you asked, but I think it's fairly irrelevant.-
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In post 368, Ghostlin wrote:What do you think he is, Amrun?Also, the line about zo unlikely putting another role like that in two games back to back is WIFOM. And slightly outguessing the mod.
Learn to read and/or shut up. Of course it's wifom and outguessing the mod. I stated as much RIGHT AFTER and only said it in the first place because I was asked to.
AND AS STATED MANY PAGES AGO, I am leaning scum on lewarcher, but it's retarded to lynch him today.-
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You're the one pushing for an sk lynch without even any flips. We should ignore YOU.-
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It doesn't suck. It means we can move on to less dumb lynches.
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In post 380, glowball wrote:Amrun, you seem different...
How so? I didn't let them lynch your arguably worse claim in Modern Family mafia, either. 'Cause it's dumb.
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In post 385, Kublai Khan wrote:In post 379, Amrun wrote:It doesn't suck. It means we can move on to less dumb lynches.
KK I THINK YOU OWE ME A SHEEP
Aren't governers only supposed to govern in twilight? I don't think it counts if he uses it before lewarcher82 is even hammered.
@ Cogito Ergo Sum - Is your mind absolutely unchangeable?
@Amrun - I'm regretting offering up my vote to you. What's the case on Llamamarble?
The case on Llamarble is quite flimsy, actually, and I'm probably going to change my vote, but I'm worried about wagon viability.
I'd be on jason ideally. If not that, Ghostlin. I'm prepared to compromise to see someone not-lewarcher lynched.-
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In post 388, xRECKONERx wrote:In post 374, Amrun wrote:You're the one pushing for an sk lynch without even any flips. We should ignore YOU.
sk=antitown=goodlymch
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Considering your mudslinging is so transparent, so do I.-
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Well, I lean town on KK right now anyway, but I took that to mean that you personally would not support a KK lynch.
If you're softclaiming.... don't. I hate softclaims. Put up or shut up (preferably shut up).
Also I am pretty sure that was actually a hammer.-
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In post 411, Llamarble wrote:You know, if Lew has the role he's claimed as scum, the obvious motive to last a night is so that he can shoot a town player who would obviously have picked a cat such as, say, Amrun.
Why would you feel the need to say this? It's not obvious at all; people with cat avatars can all have sorts of pets, and I am a general animal lover rather than a specific cat lover.
But more than this, there is no one else here except maybe the mod, zoraster, who might be thought of as "obviously" picking a cat.
So you're bringing this up for no reason and I can see no pro-town motivation for it.
Scum feelings back.
Also, I don't care if you all agree with my stance on the lew issue or not.-
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Pretty sure Rhinox's could in the last Mass Effect Mafia. Don't quote me on that.-
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VOTE: LLamarble
SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO ME, BITCHES-
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catch up tomorrow unless I wake up a little because i'm tired as fuck
sorry-
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