Animal Rescue: petsPick (Game Over!)

[Amrun]

posting to say I exist but not reading this game til tomorrow

[Amrun]

posting to say I exist but not reading this game til tomorrow

It's tomorrow, and you're the only one not voting and neither is "roxi" so I'm assuming the vote belongs to you?

IDK... care to comment on this?

Why would you assume that? That's not a very rational thing to assume.



Okay, the whole world is a sea of null EXCEPT:

Jason - scum
Sotty - town
xvart - town
glow - town

Every single post of Jason's has struck me the wrong way, starting from his painfully awkward over-explained RVS to the fence rending his ass over the Quilford wagon. He states his thoughts on the Quilford wagon and then asks C.E.S. to explain - it read like "o hai i can get on wagon plz?" to me.

Sotty gets to be town for seeing the same thing in jason's rvs post as me, xvart for seeing something similar in jason's stance on Quilford. Sottytown stronger than xvart town, because all of Sotty's posts just give me townvibes.

glowtown is weak, but there. I usually read her exceptionally well, so I'm going to go with my gut on this one.


VOTE: Jason

[Amrun]

Every single post of Jason's has struck me the wrong way, starting from his painfully awkward over-explained RVS to the fence rending his ass over the Quilford wagon. He states his thoughts on the Quilford wagon and then asks C.E.S. to explain - it read like "o hai i can get on wagon plz?" to me.

Given I stated Quil is more likely to do this as town.. I doubt how asking someone to explain their suspicions on Quil is me looking to try and get on the wagon.

Nice try but fail.

I know what you SAID, but your vibes said something else to me.

Throw Amrun in the maybescum column.

That post was noncommittal as FUCK.

Out of curiosity, how was that noncommittal? I have taken a pretty strong stance, in my opinion. I don't have a large amount of strong reads - though of course, if asked about anyone in particular, I can and will say what I think - but the reads I do have are quite strong and a great jumping off point for me. One strong scum, several solid town. That's a good start, in my opinion, and I'm happy with it.

[Amrun]

*rolls eyes*

I told you the impression I got from the posts. You were fencesitting; it seemed you were defending him weakly on hand while looking for an excuse to hop on the wagon on the other.

[Amrun]

So, why would I defend him... only to jump on his wagon?

see the sense you are not making here?

Scum Motivation 101

[Amrun]

Listen, we don't kill vig claims... That's dumb.

Haven't properly caught up, but I wanted to say that. Let's lynch jason instead.

[Amrun]

I could get behind this. He's reminding me of "stall timez as scum" from white flag llama.

[Amrun]

CES is following my votes etc. and it's weirding me out.

Not in a scummy way. Just kind of funny. Last time we played together he lynched me. x.x I forget if he was town or scum though.

HOWEVER now I am lonely on Jason and still opposing a lewarcher lynch for today, so voting bloc for great glory:

VOTE: llama

[Amrun]

Now I'm having flashbacks to the last time I tried to get llamarble lynched. *cries*

I promise not to change my vote to you this time, Sotty.

[Amrun]

I have advocated for the lynching of vigs etc before, in different circumstances.

In this case, I think it's dumb. We haven't had any flips yet. People think he's an SK and want to lynch him for it

when we don't even know if there is an SK

.

He should get at least one night for evaluation. It's just ... common sense, to me.

[Amrun]

To be totally clear, I kind of dig the case on him (especially as Vi amusingly laid out), but I still do not support the lynch.

[Amrun]

If the case on him were THAT GOOD, I would understand this logic, and have even been there advocating that at some time in my life.

I just don't think lewarcher's relative scumminess dictates that level of risk in possibly killing off a town vig. It's not the right move for today.

[Amrun]

I don't think that all cats are mafia. I have not made the mistake that you think I am making. Do you have any reason to think that mafia CAN'T be cats?

I assumed that the species of pet would be completely irrelevant to alignment and I'll continue thinking this until proven otherwise.

Lew may or not be a vig. I think it's worth giving him a night to see what happens.

p-edit: And also that.

[Amrun]

Yes.

Disregarding your leading question and distortion.

[Amrun]

Yes.

Disregarding your leading question and distortion.

what about my question was leading or distorting?

Phrasing and intent. You couched it in a way to make my point seem bad without actually addressing any way that it was bad.

[Amrun]

Save a lynch, duh.

This, obviously.

I don't understand, UT. You want to lynch him so that he doesn't kill himself overnight?

[Amrun]

Um, what?

[Amrun]

Except no one is advocating that...

If he's town, it's a humongous waste of a lynch. If he's scum, we'll know by the end of the night.

It's a really dumb lynch either way.

[Amrun]

*Next Day*Lewarcher82: "Gosh, I'm still alive. I don't know what happened, Mafia must have either roleblocked me or maybe glowball was lying about her dog-claim."

a) Then we lynch him, most likely.

b) If he tried to kill dog-glowball, he would die...

[Amrun]

And let's say he kills a cat that's scum or kills himself on a dog?

Then we know something and gain something instead of having a 9/10 chance of losing.

IF HE'S SCUM can we be realistic and say that he doesn't have another kill on top of the faction kill.

If he's SK, I don't care and we shouldn't lynch him today, especially given the claimed nature of his role where he might accidentally kill himself.

[Amrun]

You would have to believe part of his claim. I don't believe it at all, it doesn't account for multiple pets or pets other than cats/dogs.

Then that will sort itself out... It's not a claim that makes sense to lynch today. I will oppose it until the eventual end of the day.

[Amrun]

It's not actually obvious he isn't town, though.

If it were ANYWHERE NEAR deadline, I might agree with you, but it isn't, and I don't.

[Amrun]

That's actually the main thing that makes me think he might possibly be town.

It seems like a perfectly reasonable reaction as town to me.

Imagine that, as town, you know there is at LEAST ONE killing mechanic that relies on the species of animal for its use. You see people willy nilly revealing this; you lash out and try to quash this immediately.

I don't get why that would be weird; that's the ONLY reaction that makes sense to me.

If he really were an SK with these stipulations, it seems to me he would be a lot more likely to subtly encourage / ignore the seemingly innocuous talk of fluffy puppies.

[Amrun]

It's not reason enough for a full on townread, in my opinion, but is totally weird to me that you are using that as a scumtell....

[Amrun]

Because he is killing regardless of alignment, it only makes sense that he is self-aligned.

So vigilante kills usually just don't happen if they target town, huh?

[Amrun]

I'm sorry, you guys seem to be ignoring that he apparently targets pets arbitrarily.

Um, are you blind, or am I?

Doesn't he pick his own targets?


Honestly, if I've missed something and he doesn't pick his own targets, I'm okay with lynching him. But I'm pretty sure that's not the case.




For the record, I'm not arguing that he is town. I'm arguing that his alignment cannot yet be determined for sure and that he is not the smartest lynch for today.

[Amrun]

For the record, I'm not arguing that he is town. I'm arguing that his alignment cannot yet be determined for sure and that he is not the smartest lynch for today.

Why would you leave a third party role like SK alive on Day 1?

You can lynch SK day 1, but if you never lynch scum after that, you still lose. It's much better to lynch SCUM. An SK lynch is a very-little-information flip. Town can harness him to do their bidding under threat of death, as well. If he disobeys, he dies.

For example, tonight, we can tell him who to target.

[Amrun]

Consider for a minute that you absolutely believe Le's claim. Your options are:
1) Limited modified Town Vig.
2) Limited modified SK (only wins when he's the only cat alive).
3) Limited modified Scum Vig (which could happen depending on the protection roles in Town).

...And? lol

[Amrun]

For the record, I'm not arguing that he is town. I'm arguing that

his alignment cannot yet be determined

for sure and that he is not the smartest lynch for today.

Why would you leave a third party role like SK alive on Day 1?

your logic:
we cannot prove he's town therefore he MUST be scum

ladies and gentlemen, it's the argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy in the wild! shh! don't disturb it or it will run away and we can't make fun of it.

I'm confused; was this directed at me?

Consider for a minute that you absolutely believe Le's claim. Your options are:
1) Limited modified Town Vig.
2) Limited modified SK (only wins when he's the only cat alive).
3) Limited modified Scum Vig (which could happen depending on the protection roles in Town).

...And? lol

2 and 3 are scum roles. There is no middle ground if you believe in his claim there, it's gotta be one of the three.

Also, do you think just dogs or cats exist in this game?

don't know don't care

[Amrun]

@AmrunNo. It was at Ghostlin. Your argument was that since we can't determine his alignment, it's probably safer to just leave him be until we can get a better idea. Right? I'm not saying I agree with it, but I think that's a townie reaction.

Yeah, I am. I just got confused there for a sec.


Sotty, I agree; let's just move on and lynch llama. However, I don't think it has been a total waste of time. When a group of people are pushing a third party lynch, there's usually at LEAST one scum in the bunch.

Right now, my pick for that scum is Ghostlin.


p-edit:

But he still picks who to target... So it's not arbitrary. It's a LIMITED VIG.

As for the pet being alive or dead, that is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT. We were told when submitting pets that you could submit a living or passed pet.

[Amrun]

jesus christ, someone fucking unvote

[Amrun]

I also want Kublai Kahn's response to my post 288.

[Amrun]

IT'S ARBITRARY WHO HE KILLS. NO MATTER WHO HE PICKS, WHETHER HE THINKS THEY'RE TOWN OR SCUM, HE WILL DIE UNLESS THEY'RE A CAT. HOW THE SHIT IS THIS FAIR ON HIM UNLESS HE HAS SOME WAY TO DISCERN WHO SOMEONE'S PET IS, HMM?

I think you've just demonstrated why I don't think he's an SK... That's a really difficult win condition to achieve. It's still possible, but come on, it's a lot more plausible as a town limited vig.

@Amrun - You're filling in details that aren't there. If lewarcher82 had said "Hey, we really shouldn't reveal anything about our pets, we don't know if there could be a Death-Note type killer out there." (or some sort of awareness-raising similar statement that reveals his specific game mechanic), then yeah I would be on the same page. But he didn't, and you can't get away with just imagining that he did.

P.EDIT - A short conversation with my wife and I think i got ninja'd by 2 pages worth of posts. Egads.

I don't know why you think he should have come out and said "there could be a death note type killer." That would be SUCH a softclaim, and town vigs should always be in the business of not telling scum that they're vigilantes! Are you serious?

If he had said that, I would have been like HOLD UP WTF.

He responded with, "Holy crap, stop claiming animals because it's fucking dumb."

Guess what? IT IS FUCKING DUMB. HE'S RIGHT.

If he's telling the truth, he has reason to know why it's fucking dumb, so it makes PERFECT SENSE to react that way.

[Amrun]

I don't know why you think he should have come out and said "there could be a death note type killer." That would be SUCH a softclaim, and town vigs should always be in the business of not telling scum that they're vigilantes! Are you serious?

If he had said that, I would have been like HOLD UP WTF.

He responded with, "Holy crap, stop claiming animals because it's fucking dumb."

Guess what? IT IS FUCKING DUMB. HE'S RIGHT.

If he's telling the truth, he has reason to know why it's fucking dumb, so it makes PERFECT SENSE to react that way.

Except that part of his claim is that dogs kill him. So while he might not want to encourage pet claiming, he certainly would not discourage it either.

THAT'S EXACTLY MY POINT

If he were interested in self-preservation over the town's interests, he would not discourage it.

THAT'S NOT WHAT HE DID

Town motivation. See, see, see?

I don't know how to explain myself any better.

[Amrun]

Partially, yes. For today. But I'm probing Kahn's alignment right now, shhhhh

[Amrun]

Oh, thank you, ces, btw

[Amrun]

You do realize this entire discussion has been made moot by my governing lew, right?

Eh, not entirely. If Amrun can convince me that lewarcher82's actions are plausibly town, then I have to sheep her. Also this.

Generally, I think she's ascribing a motivation that isn't evidenced by lewarcher82's actual words. So we may just be deadlocked.

But you still need to prove how your explanation makes sense.

You are like, "Aha! He would do this thing he didn't do as scum!"

And then use that as a scumtell. I feel like I have to be missing something.

[Amrun]

Where does it say that? I'm not seeing it. I'm just seeing "owners whose pets have outlived them," which is not necessarily a blanket statement on flavor, and perhaps just a nicer way of putting it.

[Amrun]

No, I didn't say "other specialty vigs." It could be that, or mafia, or third party, or anything.

I agree it would have been more compelling had he brought it up himself; as I said, I don't think this is something to hang the entirety of a town read on.

You asked me if I could come up with town motivation for it. I did.

I'm trying to show reasonable doubt here. I think I succeeded.

[Amrun]

Just looked and Llamarble is right.

[Amrun]

Eh, mafia alignment actually makes more sense than SK.
A hard to use vig-power gives scum something to strategize on together and a vehicle for massclaim punishment.
Just like Baby Spice in Zor's Strategy Mafia game.
His described role doesn't sound like a legitimate serial killing role because of the 'you die if you shoot the wrong thing' aspect and the reduced target pool.
The way he claimed, rolling it out in two phases and mentioning Mao was killed by a dog, sounded like he has the role he has claimed even if he's scum.

Also scum totally gave town useful strategy advice (scum had ways of killing through doors) in Strategy Mafia.
Telling people not to massclaim is like the easiest thing to say town sounding things about ever.

Amrun? This sounds pretty damning.

HOW does that sound pretty damning? It doesn't at all. He's saying the exact thing I'm saying: lew's probably not an SK because of the dying thing.

Why are you looking to me, anyway?

Make your own mind up. You're starting to really rub me the wrong way. You're absolutely looking for ANY REASON to lynch lewarcher, sensical or not, instead of actually trying to figure out his alignment.

[Amrun]

We don't know that, though?

[Amrun]

I read the original claim post as killing the owner...

I would like lew to clear it up, though.

[Amrun]

yes, because rather than reading the words that he wrote before we questioned it, we should give him the latitude to say "lololol of course I meant the owners!". That is a very extremely smart plan.

Okay I made a post on this and apparently lost it.

I read the post originally as meaning owners; the first time I considered otherwise was when he was asked "why do you kill cats." I can see him not making that distinction in his mind and just relating back to what his actual cat did.

More importantly, zoraster said that in his first post and though scum COULD have forgotten, if lewarcher was scum (or sk), he would already have a description of killing owners to reference and probably would have been a lot more careful in his wording of a fakeclaim.

So it shakes out to null in my eyes.


Quilford, you are being really dense right now. Even though LLamarble was expressing a general scumread on lewarcher, that is his opinion and in no way "damning."

aw crap I'm losing my scumvibes for llamarble

SOTTY HELP

[Amrun]

What, Baby Spice's role in Strategy Mafia?

That proves nothing except that Lewarcher could be scum. HEY GUESS WHAT OF COURSE HE COULD BE SCUM... I never said any differently, and you are failing very hard at reading comprehension so far in this game.

But now that I think about it, zoraster is unlikely to put another role like that in two games back to back as the same alignment.

I don't see the merit in speculating about mod meta in this instance; I speculated about it because you asked, but I think it's fairly irrelevant.

[Amrun]

What do you think he is, Amrun?Also, the line about zo unlikely putting another role like that in two games back to back is WIFOM. And slightly outguessing the mod.

Learn to read and/or shut up. Of course it's wifom and outguessing the mod. I stated as much RIGHT AFTER and only said it in the first place because I was asked to.

AND AS STATED MANY PAGES AGO, I am leaning scum on lewarcher, but it's retarded to lynch him today.

[Amrun]

Not in this case, nope.

[Amrun]

You're the one pushing for an sk lynch without even any flips. We should ignore YOU.

[Amrun]

He's been governed...

[Amrun]

It doesn't suck. It means we can move on to less dumb lynches.


KK I THINK YOU OWE ME A SHEEP

[Amrun]

BUT I AM

[Amrun]

Amrun, you seem different...

How so? I didn't let them lynch your arguably worse claim in Modern Family mafia, either. 'Cause it's dumb.

p-edit:

lol

[Amrun]

It doesn't suck. It means we can move on to less dumb lynches.

KK I THINK YOU OWE ME A SHEEP

Aren't governers only supposed to govern in twilight? I don't think it counts if he uses it before lewarcher82 is even hammered.

@ Cogito Ergo Sum - Is your mind absolutely unchangeable?

@Amrun - I'm regretting offering up my vote to you. What's the case on Llamamarble?

The case on Llamarble is quite flimsy, actually, and I'm probably going to change my vote, but I'm worried about wagon viability.

I'd be on jason ideally. If not that, Ghostlin. I'm prepared to compromise to see someone not-lewarcher lynched.

[Amrun]

You're the one pushing for an sk lynch without even any flips. We should ignore YOU.

sk=antitown=goodlymch

Point Misser Extraordinaire

[Amrun]

Considering your mudslinging is so transparent, so do I.

[Amrun]

Well, I lean town on KK right now anyway, but I took that to mean that you personally would not support a KK lynch.

If you're softclaiming.... don't. I hate softclaims. Put up or shut up (preferably shut up).

Also I am pretty sure that was actually a hammer.

[Amrun]

Oh, nope, it is L-1.

[Amrun]

You know, if Lew has the role he's claimed as scum, the obvious motive to last a night is so that he can shoot a town player who would obviously have picked a cat such as, say, Amrun.

Why would you feel the need to say this? It's not obvious at all; people with cat avatars can all have sorts of pets, and I am a general animal lover rather than a specific cat lover.

But more than this, there is no one else here except maybe the mod, zoraster, who might be thought of as "obviously" picking a cat.

So you're bringing this up for no reason and I can see no pro-town motivation for it.

Scum feelings back.

Also, I don't care if you all agree with my stance on the lew issue or not.

[Amrun]

Pretty sure Rhinox's could in the last Mass Effect Mafia. Don't quote me on that.

[Amrun]

VOTE: LLamarble


SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO ME, BITCHES

[Amrun]

catch up tomorrow unless I wake up a little because i'm tired as fuck

sorry

[Amrun]

He pretty strongly pushed lew as scum.

[Amrun]

@Amrun - Bah. I feel dumb. Give me the CliffNotes version of the Llamarble case since you seemed to be changing your mind on him.

Yesterday it was gut, vibe, stalling, and not taking firm stances, especially on lewarcher.

Today, though, I'm feeling town on him.

Also with the info of there being an SK, that means one of my town reads is scum. Great.

Uh, where is the info on there being an SK? We know there's a third party. It's not at all the same thing. (Vi also made this mistake, but it was after yours so I think she subconsciously picked your mistake up, and also this was addressed in her and she used it as a towntell for Quilford, which isn't at all scummy.)

You, on the other hand... That was a weird post already, as Vi noted. You have townreads on EVERYONE? I don't even know who your scumreads are, but you have "plenty," though apparently less than five.

Your response to Llamarble's vote was really scummy. You didn't address the point at all. You implied that you had a viable reason to believe lewarcher was scum based on your role, but lewarcher wasn't scum. That doesn't make you insta-scum, but you avoiding the issue doesn't look so great.

VOTE: Kublai Khan

Can’t remember a single stance he’s taken all game; not good.

Really? Not one single stance? All game? That's really odd because I haven't been a wallflower.

@Ghostlin - You jumped on the lewarcher82 wagon for the "glowball is fishing" argument, then coasted the rest of the day by justifying it with setup arguments.

Your reasoning to jump on the Llamarble wagon is weak and looked like you were trying to groundfloor on the new big wagon. You're not coming up with original arguments against people, just picking up on other people's suspicions and echoing them more loudly as your own.

I agree with the entirety of this post. That vote by DDD was really weak and threw me off of an otherwise-town read. ...What?

Ghostlin is looking scummier by the post, and KK townier.


WAGONS I SUPPORT:
VP - Reasons noted above
Jason - Reasons noted yesterday, plus his very strange glowball/lewarcher push today. It doesn't read as genuine.
Ghostlin - Reasons noted yesterday, plus inconsistencies between his pushes yesterday and today. In general does not read as genuine.


glowball has a point that the VP wagon did spring up a little quickly. That doesn't necessarily mean something, but I'd still like to see more counterwagoning today than happened yesterday.

VOTE: Jason

[Amrun]

1. No, I don't think scum would know that, but it's quite possible that an SK would know that. It's not a huge thing, but I wanted to mention it. If we had flips to indicate sk, there wouldn't be even this note.

2. The issue is not a narrow field of strong reads. Clearly I am going this route as well. The issue is that you addressed the rest of your reads as town reads, as opposed to null. It's strange.

3. Did you or did you note have a role contradiction that indicated lewarcher was scum?

[Amrun]

1. I plan on it, but I haven't had time yet. The only one I recall off of the top of my head are xvart and Reck, out of which I don't think Reck would go there as an SK.

2. It's just strange to refer to people you haven't mentioned at all yet as townreads in that unspecific way. It stuck out to me.

3. I'm not asking for your role. I'm asking about what you did yesterday, which is already done. Had you simply said this to llamarble, I wouldn't have raised an eyebrow. Instead, you flailed and didn't mention it, just that his reasons were "crap." I haven't seen you flail before so it seemed weird.

[Amrun]

Post 41 is where you address his reasons, and it doesn't actually do what you profess and reads as flailing to me.

In looking, I noticed something else interesting: you never give ANY REASON AT ALL for voting Quilford.

You give plenty of reasons for voting Jason, and yet never express a scumread on him.

[Amrun]

I'm still waiting for an explanation of your Quilford and Jason reads, VP.

[Amrun]

You said one thing about grammar tells, but MOST OF what llamarble has to say has NOTHING to do with that. I don't give a shit about that argument either way, really. It's a dumb tell, and it's fine to call him out on it, but you equating his entire case with one bad tell and using it to discredit everything without addressing everything makes me really uncomfortable.

And I wasn't trying to imply you'd waited too long, since you hadn't, but I realized that I didn't phrase my previous post as a question so I wanted to clarify.

You still managed to dodge the Jason question, though.

Do you seriously think Quilford is scum, still?

p-edit: Mudslinging. Nice.

[Amrun]

You do realize you spent most of the day pushing town while I was trying to lynch llamarble instead?

I've never seen you play throwing around incorrect accusations so cavalierly. It still gives me a feeling of flail.

[Amrun]

I'm not defending him

at all

. I think his case on you was pretty poorly presented, except for one point, which is the manner in which you pushed lewarcher yesterday. That doesn't change the fact that I think you have a good chance of being scum, despite the fact that one person's case may not be great. Mostly due to general vibe and eventual providing of content (and also his turnaround on DDD, which seemed genuine), my scumread on him has turned to a minor townread. Nothing worth defending, though I have and will always defend townreads to the death if they are strong enough. Even if I was defending Llamarble, this wouldn't be chainsaw by any stretch of the imagination.

You can say you addressed the points all you want, and you have, EVENTUALLY, but you didn't address the point I cared about initially and the way you addressed everything just comes off so strangely to me, as opposed to how I normally see you, which is very well reasoned and calm.

And my point was you stated lots of reasons that Jason is scummy, but zero reasons that Quilford was scummy, and yet you voted for Quilford. More importantly, you never said "Jason is a minor scumread." You never gave any read on him

at all

until now.

The main thing that's bothering me about you this game is that I don't get the same sense that you're looking for intent that I usually do when you're town. For example, you've grossly misinterpreted my posts recently. Is that just because you're wrong and being less careful than usual, or because you're scum? The simpler explanation for the aberration is that you're scum.

[Amrun]

But I'm not defending him, or his case. I'm examining your reaction to it. They're entirely different things, and you not bothering to care puts me off.

Of course it's not my call what you do, but it's certainly my duty to question you on it. You know what scumhunting is.

Why so confrontational?

[Amrun]

That's not your call.

p-edit: Oh well. The point is, I'd still rather have dueling wagons on people whom I suspect. That's the optimal situation for any day.

p-edit 2: Can't you shift your attention to DDD yourself? I've said all I feel like saying about DDD at the moment. He's playing a bit milquetoast.

[Amrun]

Oh and for the record I forgot about the census taker in DDD's game, too. lol

[Amrun]

What is your read on CES? What was it then?

[Amrun]

You're confusing census taker with sensor, Jason.

They're also talking about DDD's game. Tbh I don't really remember the census taker in that game. They died before revealing so it didn't much come into play.


Your push doesn't seem genuine because it feels ... constructed. A) It's based on associative tells with no flips. B) The way you're building it seems feels like a push for a mislynch rather than a genuine probing of intent.

[Amrun]

LLamarble, please expand your read on Vi.

[Amrun]

I'd like to hear his response to you first.

It's pretty weak, but DDD clearly hasn't really sunk his teeth into this game yet. I'm not sure that's a tell either way.

[Amrun]

But Llamarble, you said something overnight moved you from towntown to murky on Vi.

Now she's back to town?

[Amrun]

murky grey doesn't say "leaning town" to me

[Amrun]

Then shouldn't you be voting Ghostlin?

[Amrun]

Now that I've like voted him and stuff under sheeping Amrun,

Wait, do you think Lllamarble sheeped me?

[Amrun]

Now that I've like voted him and stuff under sheeping Amrun,

Wait, do you think Lllamarble sheeped me?

Yes, yes I do. It's pretty blantant. Do you want me to requote the exchange again?

Let me rephrase it for you since your reading comprehension has failed you:

Vi said there was another useless poster posting within the last 25 posts. There are one or two other candidates for this, but most likely, it's you.

Llamarble said he's wavering on VP, but thinks you are "face meltingly scum."

Logically, his vote should be on you, and I wanted to see if he would move it there. He did.

Bzzzzzzzzzzt try again. You fail.

[Amrun]

can we talk more about DDDP's "not being scummy is scummy" idea? Because it seems like that's mildly important to note.

I do think he has a point in that scum would try and blend in, not try to act scummy, and let a lynch happen on a scummy player. HOWEVER lynches are based on what is scummy, and not what is not scummy. And without anything else on you,

the fact he tries to push it, is scummy.

He's not doing that, though.

You're just looking for something to attack.

p-edit: "He has every right to call it." Who has every right to call what?

[Amrun]

Nope, I don't. Frankly, him doing things with you and Vi prompting him is still sheeping. And a reason like 'his ISO' is the same crap he's phoned in most of the game. If you're too blind to see why Llam would agree with Vi, who's fairly obvtown and you, Amrun, for free towncred particlularly since I'm the competing wagon, I can't help you.

Look, I don't think you'll ever understand. Llamarble had

already expressed a scumread on you several times,

more than I ever have. I can get you saying Llama would want to agree with us, but the fact remains that he expressed suspicion on Ghostlin a long time ago. And in this case, it is not sheeping me at ALL. I wasn't expressing an opinion; I was remarking upon the fact that his votes weren't lining up with his expressed reads.

If you suspect one person the most, there's no reason to vote for suspect #2 in most cases, at least without an explanation. That suspect #1 happened to be you was entirely incidental.

[Amrun]

If you suspect one person the most, there's no reason to vote for suspect #2 in most cases, at least without an explanation.

Oh, you. So naive.

There certainly are reasons to do that. I believe I took some flak for something similar yesterday.

But generally speaking, if that's happening openly, I'd like to know why.

[Amrun]

Well, that's true, I guess, but getting more into semantics than I intended. I rarely classify my suspects as such, now that I think about it, but Llamarble suggested he might be losing his scumread on VP while his read on Ghostlin remained strong - which implies to me a vote move of some sort is in order. It warranted asking.

[Amrun]

UT is probably town, yeah.

VOTE: Ghostlin

A lot of people are mentioning Ghostlin and not voting for him so I'd like to see where this goes.

[Amrun]

okay ghostlin can die

[Amrun]

I could make a case, and maybe I will, if necessary, but pretty much everyone sees the sliminess of your answers, so thankfully, I don't think I need to. Also your inability to articulate suspicions, especially original suspicions, is the kicker. Oh, and your "defense" involves saying "I have nothing to say" and then trying to deflect attention onto others.

[Amrun]

Actually, I think you do. Please proceed. I don't want quote stripe walls. Just give me the bullet points please.

Catching up, but this stood out.

VP, seriously?

If you don't want quote stripes, maybe you can try

reading the paragraph immediately following what you selectively quoted?

[Amrun]

Okay, nothing else to see, except Ghostlin trying to say that "refusing to give a case" is scummy, which is misrep since in that same post I gave several of my big reasons why I am currently voting for him.

[Amrun]

Why unvote, Vi?

[Amrun]

Vi, I still don't understand why you unvoted, since Ghostlin is in your scum tier.


I just realized something... Isn't reck in this game?

[Amrun]

oh nvm he was killed my bad

[Amrun]

I'm behind; sorry. Early turkey day with the in-laws right now, so I will either get to this later tonight or tomorrow night. Apologies. Hols are busy.

[Amrun]

I believe Llamarble's claim. I think if he were fakeclaiming, he would have done it with more cognizance about how strange the claim was, in regards to his previously published reads.

Ghostlin wagon is still a go.

[Amrun]

How much cognizance do you think Llamarble has had about anything up until this point?

Fair point, and I'm not SLAMDUNKTOWN on Llamarble, but I'd prefer not to lynch him today.

Ghostlin is a much better lynch.

[Amrun]

I don't like this plan. It requires basically a role reveal from VPB to accomplish. :/ I can't think of any real alternative, though.

[Amrun]

Quite honestly, this is okay speculation, but a distraction right now.

We don't know how the role pm was configured, so there's no reason to doubt his results right now, especially given the spontaneous and genuine manner of Quilford's claim.

If we go 3 or so more night with no evidence of a third party, then maybe it's time to talk. Not now.

[Amrun]

Mmkay so should Llam turn out to be town, Vi deserves death.

I really don't see why you weren't vigged last night. Also, don't give Vi credit for calling Llam on BS contradictions when I was saying that since early o'clock. Hate on me if you're gonna hate.

Maybe because we lynched the vig, derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp. What is the point of this comment?

The real question is whether or not the JK on VP was the reason for one less kill.

lol, wut? so there's a SK in this game?

Did Llamarble just claim Serial Killer?

xvart beat him too it, see above.

But earlier, when I called you on this same thinking, it wasn't indicative of anything. Now you use it against xvart? What?

[Amrun]

Mmkay so should Llam turn out to be town, Vi deserves death.

I really don't see why you weren't vigged last night. Also, don't give Vi credit for calling Llam on BS contradictions when I was saying that since early o'clock. Hate on me if you're gonna hate.

Maybe because we lynched the vig, derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp. What is the point of this comment?

Technically speaking, if we hadn't lynched lewarcher and he did target me he would have died because I have a dog, remember?

Yes, but the relevance to me was the dumbness of VPB's post and why he made it. It seemed like a towncred sort of post. Didn't like it.

[Amrun]

V/LA until Monday due to tho holidays

I will try to pop in occasionally, but no guarantees.

[Amrun]

Also your inability to articulate suspicions, especially original suspicions, is the kicker. Oh, and your "defense" involves saying "I have nothing to say" and then trying to deflect attention onto others.

Haven't caught up yet, but people are asking for reasons on Ghostlin, and these are the ones I previously posted. There is more, but I'll get into that when I have time.

[Amrun]

zoraster, I have this game saved. Will let you know when I'm done.

(Whee posting in games I'm not on. >.>)

Oh, thank God. I would be so upset to lose this game. It's one of my all time favorites.