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Ok dropping some thoughts –
On the Draft – if you want anything other than a Nuke then think very carefully about your top choice – if you don’t get your first choice then it is very likely you will get a Nuke. So don’t bother putting a high priority item like Air Base or Sub anywhere but first position on your list.
RedCoyote absolutely needs Nukes / lynched on the soon side of sooner or later. Town RC would not be feeling out the thread to see if there is any support at all for not voting Total War. 118 is basically asking “Town is it ok if do this thing?”
If he was Town he’d have put on his American Denim and voted against it like Reck did.
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Nope.com.In post 137, Cephrir wrote:It occurs to me that I'm thinking troops re-happen every night, they do right?
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Along those lines I’d like to offer a few dissenting opinions on Troop Analysis from the Red Communist. Firstly all Town players need to consider the scum potential upside if they are looking at a Troop. Sub is probably the most abusable by scum.
Secondly any Town player who takes Counter-Intelligence must claim it in their first post after the Draft. Failure to do so should be considered the equivalent to waving the hammer and sickle in public while shouting praise to Mother Russia.
Disagree with most of these assessments.In post 108, RedCoyote wrote:Troop options for dummies:
Submarine: Vig. (Usefulness for the town: 7/10)
Fallout Shelter: Unlimited Bulletproof for nukes only. (Usefulness for the town: 2/10)
Eavesdrop: Sometimes hear scum night talk (Usefuleness for the town: 6/10)
Fail Safe: PGO. (Usefulness for the town: 2/10)
Sub is 10/10 for Town as it keeps it out of the dirty red paws of the Communists. The strength Town has in this set-up regarding Nukes is the public nature of pressing the button. It holds YOLO Nukers accountable with rope.
If the Communists haven’t figured out how to completely make Eavesdrop useless then they aren’t going to last long anyway. Consider it a 1.5 / 10 at best for Town.
Fail Safe’s ability to Vengekill a Stealth Bomber kill makes it at least a 4/10 for Town.
Well given that the Terrorist has their normal draft result to cover for the “best power” they choose I’m wondering how you expect to this theory to work exactly …In post 117, RedCoyote wrote:In other words, whoever gets the "best" power should be given a second look.
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Maybe because it paints a picture for scum where to aim for important Troops?In post 86, Cheetory6 wrote:Like, what's to stop town from just powerlynching through the playerlist with nukes?
Time limitations?"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Don't tell me you are scum again LLD. It will make me sad ...In post 176, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:also if we're doing the planning roles thing, give me the eavesdrop."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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I'd have to dig up old games from 4 to 5 years ago to be sure since I haven't seen him as scum since my return. I do not TownRC is stubborn and doesn't much care about popular opinion. Do you disagree with that assessment?In post 228, Cheetory6 wrote:Is being tentative something you've seen specifically from scumRC?"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Then why are you wanting the Eavesdrop and not Righteous Nuclear Power?In post 229, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Nah, dude. I just want to redeem myself from last time."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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I honestly think it would be easier to make a list of "Not Big Voices" in the playerlist myself. And I know you didn't hang around Kids Characters long but Imperium / Nacho was an example of a scum "Big Voice" that took a Vig shot to take down that game.In post 233, Cheetory6 wrote:I guess I'm kneejerking partially because I feel indirectly attacked and also feel wary of the idea of knocking out big voices earlygame >.>"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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No I don't recall. I thought you took Eavesdrop.In post 237, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:If you'll recall, I had a nuke last time.
Grumble grumble making me look way back to find that info ..."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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So you think that in a game from over 5 years ago the only possibility of why I would change my stance is Alignment indicative?In post 245, Nahdia wrote:And I would like Magna to respond to the point RC made that Magna was town and against Total War last game and clearly for it this game; that was an interesting catch which warrants explanation.
Very curious to see your response. Also - have you read Defcon 3.0?"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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I would like to see Fate’s reaction (if any) to his SDC buddy submarining (ha, I went there) the Total War movement.
318 – Good to know Ser Arthur and Cheet aren’t scum together.
GuyInFreezer can be Town. As can Papa Zito.
And Something Smart is probably the first to eat rope. 405 has all the hallmarks of scum posting – pointless “For” vote that means nothing, refusing to commit to a read on Reck who called him solid Town for bad reasons, and a list of “scummy” people which makes no sense. Also fence-sitting on three players which I think I probably where his Communist partner are. Also 407 is laughable as reasons to scum read GIF (OMGUS and the ever dreaded “forced” which is the New Hotness Buzzword for the Commies).
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The more cogent question is – why wouldn’t someone want to Nuke you?
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Oh dear god … really you think this?In post 430, xRECKONERx wrote:because scum don't make that post"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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He can't. The votes for Total War are irrevocable per Andy.In post 447, Papa Zito wrote:@Reck: Gimme my dayvig I have needs man"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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@PZ -
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So I've highlighted the part which shows that people no longer need to vote simply show up to move to Defcon 4. Which shows that SS's "For" vote was pointless since he had already posted.In post 411, Andrius wrote:VoteCount
FOR TOTAL WAR [16] - SpyreX, MagnaofIllusion, Untrod Tripod, Nukebringer, McMenno, Papa Zito, Spiffeh, GuyInFreezer, Errantparabola, Nahdia, Fate, mastina, hiplop, Accountant, Ser Arthur Dayne, Something_Smart
AGAINST TOTAL WAR [1] - xRECKONERx
Not Voting [7] - Everyone Else
Countdown to the End of DEFCON 5: 2 days, 5 hours, 40 minutes
Since we will not be going to Total War, we will move to DEFCON 4 when everyone has arrived or at the above deadline.
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Why is Ser going after low lying fruit?In post 649, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
Are you gonna be performing voodoo to figure out scum or???In post 644, Ircher wrote:I've always been bad at finding scum just by reading posts and looking for what sticks out, so I might try a different approach and see if it works better for me.
I'm honestly up for policy lynching you off those three posts alone b/c it seems like you're gonna be utterly useless this game.
Yes a little sarcasm while phone posting to say I'll be catching up tomorrow ..."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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No Spyrex you should know this - anyone who doesn't get a troop gets a Silo.In post 760, SpyreX wrote:if you put in 1 troop and dont get it, silo.
If you put in greater than 1 troop and dont get it, vanilla?"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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So trying to keep this as manageable as possible ..
Ser Arthur (or SAD as I will refer to him from here on out this game) will remain as scum-read for me. I’ve seen the idea floated that he’s playing too loud and obnoxious to be scum. With this playerlist I don’t see playing in that manner as a downside. It explains away long term why he isn’t getting Stealth Bombed or Terroristed. The inherent WIFOM doesn’t scare me off because as Town the question still remains – what’s the motive for playing in a way likely to get you killed early (same applies to mastina, BTW)? I also think the dichotomy between him strongly defending some “low hanging fruit” while attacking others feeds into my scum read on the slot.
Someone check in with Hell to see if it has frozen over … Cephir and I had the exact same thought about 482. After Kids Characters Mafia I never expected that would happen this game especially this early.
Spyrex can be Town also …
@LLD– why did you address hiplop’s “I want to nuke MoI” with chastisement of him instead of asking him why?
@Accountant– re 656 remind me if I am wrong but I don’t recall you objecting to all the other policy Nuke statements (and there are tons of them). Why specifically PZ on Nukebringer as opposed to his mastina Policy nuke call? Why not any others that have been made?
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Pretty easy to do. See 369. GIF is thinking exactly what I was thinking there. This is enough early on to have me give them a provisional Town read since their mindset is similar to mine.In post 489, Cheetory6 wrote:I would love words on this.
My question to you is – why not ask about my Naked Zito Townread as well?
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Quick question Spiff – how is that the “scum hiding sweet spot” if you immediately assess someone meeting that profile as scum before votes can even fly?In post 507, Spiffeh wrote:I could also see scum!GIF
He's around enough to make a few fringe comments and have somewhat of a presence but he's not making any "waves" and seems to be escaping everyone's radars
which is a sweet spot I'd expect scum to seek out given the nature of this game
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Sure it can mean that. For certain my scum read on you isn’t “Bet the game on it” level of confidence. Fact remains the way you specifically hedge from making any sort of assessment at all struck me as suspect on initial read.In post 466, Something_Smart wrote:This is a scum action... why? "Discussion tabled" means I am going to discuss him later.
Nope. What is off about them is, as you later clarify, are all vague “gut” reads that have nothing other than “I don’t like it” about them. Given that my reads don’t line up with yours and your reasoning is “gut” the first place my mind goes is scum faking reads.In post 466, Something_Smart wrote:ok now he's scumreading me because my pregame reads are not up to par with his standards
Nope. I’m pointing out that out for future analysis if you ever flip scum. Kind of absurd for you to claim I’m using that to “prove” you are scum.In post 466, Something_Smart wrote:Way to beg the question. The simpler explanation for those reads is that I was genuinely conflicted, and you're assuming that I'm scum in trying to prove that I'm scum.
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Ok. What do you think of Reck’s decision to just vote No War without discussion then?In post 536, RedCoyote wrote:There's absolutely no need to reserve yourself when you vote for Total War given that it requires unanimity. There's every reason to do so when you intend to be a detractor
You said the players who get the “best” roles should receive extra scrutiny as possible Terrorist. But the Terrorist themselves go through the process of drafting also. And can easily decide to go for a Silo as a means to hide their Terrorist choice. So I’m asking how you think the extra scrutiny should be addressed.In post 536, RedCoyote wrote:I don't understand.
So is your stance then that because you took a careful approach you are obv Town?In post 536, RedCoyote wrote:You said it, not me. For what it's worth, as scum I wouldn't care about Total War, and I certainly wouldn't be willing to fight the tide.
Please confirm where your Null read band starts by playername please.In post 557, RedCoyote wrote:[Town]-----Cheet--Nahdia-GiF---Grey---MoI-Nukebringer-Ceph-Spiff--PZ--Reck-Ircher--hiplop-Fate-Spy[∙]-LLD-Accountant-Dayne--mastina--Errant--McMenno----SS------------[Scum]
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Ircher. Duh. I pointed it out when you did it.In post 780, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Please explain which low hanging fruit I have gone after."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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I do like how SAD gets his dander up when called out as scum … it’s cute.
This is so empty of anything meaningful it makes my sides hurt when I laugh. First off as previously discussed “forced” is pure buzzwording with no meaning at all. And adding repititions of “really” doesn’t improve the empty vacuum of this post.In post 774, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:MoI your whole interaction with Something Special is really
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When the one is the player who specifically Town read him for whack-a-mole reasons it is worthy of an early scum read. Try to keep up with what is actually happening in thread SAD.In post 776, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Wtf is this. He made assessments about a lot more players. The fact he doesn't make it about one is bad????
Like he could have just not mentioned Reck at all if he was scum and ~scared~ of giving a read on him.
Well that’s the only non-derp explanation I can come up with for why you are posting so scummy. I mean I think it's a pretty dumb route to take regardless of your alignment but you do you ...In post 780, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Am I supposed to purposely coat my posts with a level of scuminess as to try and not be killed early?
Lol. Ircher doesn’t need any help playing. Same with Something Smart. Neither are Vis. Maybe you are the kind of dense player who equates ability with join date (which is a hoot). But they don’t mentoring or guidance on how to play. Frankly the uber Chainsaw you are doing for SomethingSmart has I think has been good. I very much doubt you are partners.In post 789, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Like there's nothing wrong with trying to help low hanging fruit to open up to get a read on them and make them interact more with the game.
Even if you do it in an obnoxious way.
And there is everything wrong if you have a scumread on a low hanging fruit early.
Even if you're the nicest person in the world.
Pro-Tip - if there is real "low hanging fruit" in this playerlist it is McMenno.
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1. How does this surprise you about mastin?In post 784, xRECKONERx wrote:jesus christ the last half of page 30 almost killed me reading the amount of selfimportance dripping from mastina's posts
2. You are still reading his posts?
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I don’t get how you are Town-reading hiplop but ok.In post 768, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:@MoI: Because I don't care what his reasons are. I'm pretty sure he's town on gut and he was wasting his energy and resources on you. I wanted to refocus on him onto more productive paths.
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Meh ... it's not like this is a “Ride or Die” Town read as opposed to a “Hey, can be Town right now” read pre-game.In post 773, Cephrir wrote:I think this could lead you astray quite often, especially in this player list.
Lisa, tone reading is make-believe like vampires, leprechauns or Eskimos …In post 777, Cephrir wrote:I could see "tonally bizarre" but I'm not sure about forced"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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In post 795, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
Not until day 3 because you voted against total war~.In post 793, xRECKONERx wrote:imma nuke you"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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So this gut scum read of yours does some quote tampering and your reaction is "Not Cool" and not "scummy"?In post 805, Something_Smart wrote:
Goddammit this confused me so badly. Not cool.In post 766, GuyInFreezer wrote:
Yeah I agree.In post 750, Fate wrote:GiF is straight town at this point
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Are zombies nuke proof? Because ... hey ... it might work out in your favor I guess ...In post 815, xRECKONERx wrote:i go so long without reading his posts that i start to think "maybe im just being unfair" so i read them again then i have a seizure and die"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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While phone skimming last Night I realized that SAD’s sig contains quotes from both Chesskid and Vezo. I’m kinda astonished that someone who reveres two of the Patron Saints of VIs is making assessments of others as such.
“Dear Americans – please do not organize together in a meaningful way it compromises me and my scum partner’s abilities to kill you.”In post 879, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:I don't understand why anyone should be thinking about a plan for the dayvigs or forming a bloc or anything right now (other than obv pming the mod with a choice for role/nuke - but do that in the privacy of your thoughts while watching tv or the much more superior anime).
We have two days to go without nukes. Stop the dumb lining up of events. Treat the game in a more spontaneous matter.
Spiffeh are you Town reading this?
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Funny I haven’t gotten any PMs from Andy specifying the draft is done. Because it can’t be with Toogs being replaced and all.In post 869, Accountant wrote:so basically ircher needs to eat rope because he almost certainly has bunker or failsafe or defense missiles with teh way he's been acting
So why are you assuming Ircher has certain Troops / a Missle Silo in defensive formation when he can’t possibly have it yet?
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It looks like the worst odds on this list were not curing cancer but posting good shit …In post 824, Errantparabola wrote:i swear by literally every god i know that i will do these things when in office:
1. Finish my math homework
2. Go to class
3. Read the whole game and post good shit
4. Cure cancer
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Thank God, Mom and Apple Pie that this is a game where one good old fashioned American Patriot with nerves of steel and the gumption to get things done can pre-empt that loss with the push of a button and Nuclear Glory for America!In post 831, mastina wrote:Ser Arthur Dayne could literally claim scum, in-thread, and broadcast exactly how and why he is scum and what he is doing as scum...and I wouldn't believe him. He is my strongest townread, and as far as I'm concerned if he's scum we already lost.
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Great question …In post 856, Cheetory6 wrote:Why am I defending someone who is ignoring shit directed at them."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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I'm not sure what you think good Mafia play is, and frankly I don't really care. Fact remains Townblocks can be very useful to Town. Aren't always but the fact that you are selling that organization "in general benefits scum" is pretty ludicrous. I'd ask you what more scum can get away - specifically the details - but if you think scum having to sheep in a constrained pool of targets than with a good Town block means self-cannibalization is Pro-Scum I doubt you'd provide anything but fluffy stuff.In post 942, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:You can't be this bad at mafia.
Organizing a town bloc TWO DAYS before dayvigs benefits scum. In fact, believe it or not, organization in general benefits scum. It allows scum to easily sheep better without looking suspicious, as well as allow them to play in a much more lax manner because they can get away with much more.
Also you have started reaching OMGUS territory (especially indicated by your pointing out my sig and relating it to VIs) so I'm going to start ignoring almost everything you say till a much later point in the game when you feel like starting to be relevant to the game.
Especially since you seemed to understand the concept earlier in the thread ...
Funny how your opinion shifted on the concept of early Townblocks.In post 381, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Accountant can we form a town bloc???
I love that you are now adding another buzzword to your lexicon ... OMGUS. If it were OMGUS that would have to mean I only suspected you after you suspected me. Instead of right after your first posts (see 308) when I called you my Nuke target. Oops. Run off to the Wiki and find another buzzword now SAD.
But speaking of your first post looking back I had forgotten this gem ...
So much for that earlier statement about how you were "interacting" with your claimed VIs to coax more out of them. Had you not decided to white-knight the slot yet?In post 307, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
I'm dayvigging the shit out of you.In post 26, Something_Smart wrote:oh hey I finally rolled town in a large
but now I have 23 slots to sort...
I'll probably just sheep people who are actually good. (Which is like, everybody. Except me. )"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Hmmm where did SAD run off to?
Probably the PT to discuss how he can backtrack from his "Townblock" stance that just got Mic Dropped in his face."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Strong Scum reads - not as signifcant.In post 970, Spiffeh wrote:MoI do you have any strong reads other than SAD?
SS I read as scum but I don't think both SS and SAD are Commie partners. Perhaps one is the stinking Terrorist but I don't see them aligned.
I still have RC on the back-burner of my radar. I expected Town him to come after me based on my initial call for his head. The fact that I might be even a weak Town read for him is a little suspect given that he thinks I "dodged" the issue of why I am Pro-Total War now and wasn't 5 years ago which implies I'm scummy with something to hide.
And I have two mostly gut scum reads that I would not be nuking at this stage so I'm not broadcasting them.
I don't really get "strong" Town reads but I'd be happy with group for Townblock that includes you, Cheet, Spyrex, and PZ."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Well I have not a worry about that then since you'll be roped and hung well before DEFCON 1.In post 976, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:I will nuke you the first second I will get a nuke.
I'm sure your partners will be prompt and send your Red Commie Stealth Bomber my way after your flip."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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And here we have a winner folks. Is this the way you talk to your scum read? Of course not. But let's dig deeper ...In post 980, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Ftr you have pushed me every game we've been together - Saw Mafia, Kingdom Hearts, and A Dance with Dragons. I no longer give a shit what you do because I'm convinced you get orgasms from purely arguing pointlessly.
Saw Mafia -
Herodotus wrote:Saw Mafia
Ser Arthur Dayne, Mark, Lieutenant/Godfather, Mafia, met an unfortunate end and lost on Night 2.
MagnaofIllusion, Xavier, Drug Dealer, Town, was found dead after Night 3.danakillsu wrote:Kingdom Hearts:
18. Ser Arthur Dayne, replacing Armageddon,,TarzanVT, member of the, lynched D3.Town
1.MagnaofIllusion,,PlutoTracker, member of the, killed N3.Town
So in not one of the listed games was I scum. And in one of them he was scum who needed lynch.Eddard Stark wrote:A Dance with Dragons
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Oh, so when you repeatedly pointed out how "wrong" it was that I had a scum read on "Low hanging fruit" that wasn't pointing out scum behavior that was just fluff? I'm having a hard time reconciling your posting with actual scum hunting.In post 1002, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:2. I never claimed you were scum this game??? You have this ability to get a boner whenever I point out anything related to you (in this game it was the fact I pointed out you were attacking low hanging fruit), assume that you are my strongest scumread, and then devolve the game into you mindlessly attacking everything I say (or that I sig). Which is why you're useless to talk to at this point."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Reck. What are you going to do about it?In post 1011, Vaxkiller wrote:All right who didn't vote for total war????"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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In post 942, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote: Also you have started reaching OMGUS territory (especially indicated by your pointing out my sig and relating it to VIs) so I'm going to start ignoring almost everything you say till a much later point in the game when you feel like starting to be relevant to the game.
Anyone else spot the inherent contradiction in these posts? Free internet cookies if you do ...In post 1002, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote: 2. I never claimed you were scum this game??? You have this ability to get a boner whenever I point out anything related to you (in this game it was the fact I pointed out you were attacking low hanging fruit), assume that you are my strongest scumread, and then devolve the game into you mindlessly attacking everything I say (or that Isig). Which is why you're useless to talk to at this point."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Ircher isn't a VI. Stop being elitist and mean Cephir.In post 1075, Cephrir wrote:that is only true if you first assume him not to be a VI. I would suggest those summary posts are a very good indication he is, though"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Which head wrote this post? If it is Equinox I repeat - stop being elitist and mean.In post 1078, Nukebringer wrote:ircher is totally a vi, my rule of thumb on reading him is if he is being scummy he is town and if he being super scummy he is scum.
If it is Firebringer you really should not be calling people VIs."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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The department of “Zero Fucks Given” called and wants to schedule a meeting with you at your earliest convienance.In post 1086, Nukebringer wrote:magna, ive been reading your posts and i don't like it.
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Expectation of both a limited lifespan and sweet sweet Nuke-age of my scum reads independent of needing others has me feeling more carefree than usual.In post 1098, Spiffeh wrote:MoI you are so sassy this game"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Hey look completely useless questions meant to look like sorting a player but really just pointless busywork for said player.In post 1096, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:VAXKILLER
I have 2 questions.
1. Did you read the setup before you /in to replace and/or before agreeing to replace in?
2. If you had to take a totally random guess how long (in pages) do you think the scum pt was when you replaced in?"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Lol. So much comedy. I don't have to get frustrated with your terrible play because you can be made a glowing crater soon enough. No worries about useless Town Firebringer being carried to endgame because he's terrible or Scum Firebringer sliding by on his usual useless play.In post 1105, Nukebringer wrote:yeah, magna is scum guys.
Normally he would be mad at me.
Zero presence of it.
I mean if that isn't clear to you probably get a PT with Equinox and have him help you with these obv things."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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You forgot to say mean also ...In post 1114, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Hey Magna, don't be elitist~.
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In post 1080, Nukebringer wrote:i am the definition of vi."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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MOD – I’ll be V/LA from basically now til Monday morning for my usual weekend duties.
Already got my list in so if this draft gets drug out I probably will not be missing much.
@RedCoyote– any reason you didn’t bother to answer my questions from 767? Should I note you are “dodging” lol?
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Vaxkiller flips Commie scum and I hearby label their whole exchange the most painfully awkward bus / distancing ever ...
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Just because I like Papa's posting doesn't mean I dislike you LLD.In post 1189, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I get it, you don't love me anymore.
I-I thought we had something special
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Ok nice another box on you Meaningless Buzzword Bingo sheet. What do you to match five in a row? Over-defensive?In post 1215, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Also second time you're lining up lyches.
Extremely scummy thing to do.
I guess if you have to dodge the fact that you questions to Vax were vapid and pointless calling me pointing out the only way you'd make that read from your fluff is if you are partners as "lining up lynches" isn't the worst tactic."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Glad others are finally seeing what I am.In post 1346, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Like I don't believe for a second you actually took the time to sort this list, I think you just took a bunch of random names that you didn't think you could justify putting in your scum pile and tossed them in the middle somewhere
Less the three you LLD.
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VOTE: Vaxkiller
While I think it’s hilarious that no-one thinks that SAD isn’t bussing Vax for “Cool guy creds” I don’t object to Vax’s lynch. Vax has done nothing this game that warrants remaining alive and some of his posts are so ridiculously bad (1540 is the top spot) that him eating rope is a great plan. Plus it puts us ever nearer to Defcon 1 which is where things really get interesting.
I mean let’s be frank – if SAD is the master scum-hunter he’s trying to peddle in thread who carefully dissected Vax’s initial entry and laid down a tricksy trap to catch him as scum then there is no universe where he’s reading the thread as closely as he is and makes the following post as Town –
Um what? McMenno has substance in his posts? Look at that ISO and tell me McMenno has one tiny spec of substance. It is Lol-worthy that this even came out of anyone’s keyboard period but the Night and Day between surgeon-like dissection of Vax and “Herp-A-Derp McMenno’s got substance” has to trigger alarm bells people.In post 1616, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:I mean I def see the general uselessness in UT's posts.
Mcmenno and UT are the ones who have been skating the most under the surface. The former has some substance in his posts, the latter has none.
And let’s not mention 1543. I mean that is the epitome of scum looking for things in ISO review they can sell as scummy as opposed to actually reading the game flow. GiF’s first vote is clearly a sarcastic response to Cheetory saying “you aren’t even voting someone”. And the second vote is clearly a vote for SS. There is not inherent scum motivation there. Yet SAD response of "WTF is this" is bad bad bad scum looking for nits to pick as opposed to actually looking for scum.
And LLD why did you have to be scum also? Because 1568 is the exact same cherry-picking bullshit that SAD (you know, your top scum read) just did.
Also – Nahdia’s actually getting and claiming CounterIntelligence is a huge Pro-Town move even if she is the either scum affliation. The second a false investigation result occurs she’s locked into a 1v1 with whoever claimed the Guilty and Nukes make that an accelerated process which does not benefit scum no matter who’s fucking around. My worries about her slot are abatted.
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So mastin – sell me on you not being scum. Because this post either comes from scum or is an approach so stupid I’d think massive amounts of alcohol were involved in making that decision. I don’t recall you ever mentioning booze and I don’t think you are stupid. So that leaves me with scum.In post 1465, mastina wrote:I very specifically put in literally EVERY troop, in an order of most to least.
Given how many troops there were, I shoulda gotten at least ONE of them, especially since I figured...well.
Yaknow.
I said WAYYY BACK at 225 that if you didn’t get your top choice you were very likely getting a Nuke. So for you to specifically have listed all the choices from “Best to Worst” means if you don’t luck out on your first choice you have every likelihood of not getting any of the others. Because if the RNG is not kind to you then your second choice being highly sought after means odds are staggeringly suggest that it would already be gone when Andy looked at everyone’s second choices. And turtles on down as the odds get worse in each round.
So if you really, really wanted a troop you managed to go about it in the worst possible way.
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Can you point me to where mastin specifically listed the order? Because if Sub was not the first on the list I have a real, real hard time believing mastin ordered them by usefulness. Sub is 100% must have material.In post 1691, Cephrir wrote:is there any point to that question at all
i would say "rolefishing before you die" but it's not even useful rolefishing
she also already answered that question
And there are reasons that make sense Cephir if you noodle hard enough. I know because I asked mastin to confirm his first two choices for a very good reason.
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This … this is great.In post 1695, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:MoI the scum team isn't fucking half the player list.
You complemented LLD for "seeing what you're seeing" in your previous post about the scumread on me.
Now you're calling her scum.
Show me a tier list of your reads.
The first line is classic undermining. Anyone want to raise their hand who thinks I have more than 6 suspects (which, BTW, isn’t inherently scummy since Town has every reason to think they aren’t going 6/6).
And ooh … the second part where I complimented LLD for seeing SAD as scum (and also other people, but those get left out of this very selective argument) and somehow suggesting she can’t a Terrorist with you Commie or vice-versa or hell even distancing buddies who just dislike each other.
The most Teck part of this response is ignoring all the points made in hoping that not addressing his scummy ass post about GiF or the fact that he demonstrated he isn’t having to read to find Commies by saying McMenno has substance will make those points go away.
And yes – I’m specifically ignoring the last line because IDGAF about your opinion. My scum reads are well established in thread.
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The point – you missed. I don’t care where “it ended” because it was massively bad post. There is no “secret information” and SAD couldn’t possibly have his role at the point he made those posts. This is an open game. Period. The fact that you are scrambling so hard to find “lies” by SAD (which were clearly just dumb posts) to undermine the wagon on you and coming up with garbage means you are a great lynch today.In post 1697, Vaxkiller wrote:Nice misrep. I like how you reference the beginning post instead of how it ended:"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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For the record I am still on board with a RC nuke / lynch after he tells me "Oh, this is an absolutely solid point that SAD's posts don't make sense from a Town perspective but we should deal with it later" and then IMMEDIATELY calls SAD Town.In post 1702, RedCoyote wrote:
This is a solid point, but it needs to be filed under 'L' for Let's Cross The Bridge When We Get There.In post 1692, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Um what? McMenno has substance in his posts? Look at that ISO and tell me McMenno has one tiny spec of substance. It is Lol-worthy that this even came out of anyone’s keyboard period but the Night and Day between surgeon-like dissection of Vax and “Herp-A-Derp McMenno’s got substance” has to trigger alarm bells people.
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@Ceph- I didn't read it that way but here is the post in question and there is enough lack of clarity which is why I asked mastin specifically for the top two choices ...
I mean if that list at the bottom is the order then mastin is crazy in the head with Submarine BELOW seven other choices that include Eavesdrop or Radar.In post 1465, mastina wrote:What the hell.
I very specifically put in literally EVERY troop, in an order of most to least.
Given how many troops there were, I shoulda gotten at least ONE of them, especially since I figured...well.
Yaknow.
You'd be a bunch of nuke-happy gun-toting 'MURICANS.
Apparently not!
No Espionage. No Battleship. No Eavesdrop. No Aircraft Carrier. No Air Base. No Radar. No Dead Hand (my name for the failsafe). No Submarine. No Covert Ops Team. No Strategic Missile Defense. No Fighter. No Fallout Shelter. No Counterintelligence.
Literally EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. Of them got picked. By someone in the game.
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Um nope. That's clearly not the case. I've been calling SAD scum well before Vax replaced in.In post 1721, RedCoyote wrote:Further, your SAD scumread relies utterly and completely on Vax flipping scum. Any scum flip necessitates reevaluation.
So are you actually reading the thread?
The whole "Vax and SAD scum theatre side-show" is just the most recent of reasons why SAD needs rope or to be a glowing crater ASAP."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Meh. I mean if he didn't want the Sub because it is still Nuking why bother submitting it. Clearly unless he put it first he wasn't getting it. Which makes me think that whole post might be more song and dance than anything else.In post 1725, Cheetory6 wrote:Kind of makes sense given mastin's apparent disinterest in nuking.
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Not a ton, no. Why do you think it should?In post 1729, RedCoyote wrote:So Vax's alignment has no bearing whatsoever on your SAD read?"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Maybe. But let's be real - 0.000000% chance the Sub doesn't get taken. And 0.000000% mastin got the sub unless she put it at the very first slot of her list.In post 1734, Cephrir wrote:My understanding is that her objective was to ensure every troop was taken and grab any troop that was not taken by submitting all of them. In that case, no reason not to."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Lol indeed.In post 1736, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:LOL
MoI needs hardcore nuking.
He basically just said on thread that he's unwilling to revaluate based on a flip.
What Vax flip should make me question my you-as-scum read given that I'm already fully on record that your "Scum-hunting" of Vax looks like some of the most obvious fakery this side of PT Barnum's "Come See the Egress"?
I'm waiting for your fully thought out and well articulated response."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Well mainly to demonstrate that you couldn't actually make one.In post 1774, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Though I do wonder why someone who doesn't give a fuck about my opinion wants my opnion through a fully thought out and well articulated response???
It's pretty straightforward. Given I am scum-reading you pretty strongly and your push on Vax reads as pretty ludicrously based it makes sense as a bus. So what flip of Vax would you take a stab at being a reason for me to drop everything and re-think my read?
Commie Scum? Nope .. that's what I expect to happen.
American Hero? Of course not given your reasons for scum reading Vax are moonbeams and pushing lynches on Town are part and parcel of what scum have to do.
Terrorist? Again - not clearing alignment wise of you in any way.
I just wanted to see if you would even try to justify your "OMG NUKEZ THIZ DUDEZ HE'S LINING UP LYNCHES OMG" stance as anything more than empty buzzwording."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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So Fate isn't allowed to ever suspect you?In post 1790, xRECKONERx wrote:
here we goIn post 1785, Fate wrote:hmmm I take that back there might only be 1-2 scum on the UT wagon, being Ircher and Reck"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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