Mini 589: SSBB Smalltown Mafia (Game Over!)

[dahill1]

argh my two main choices (kirby+samus) were taken
so i guess i'm gonna go with...
MARIO!

[dahill1]

Damn, Kirby was taken!

Ill go snake I think.

andersonw just picked snake

[dahill1]

vote MafiaSSK

Mafia

S

SK

this is obviously the right person to vote

[dahill1]

The JOAT and the Role Absorber are pretty powerful roles. Frighteningly powerful, I should say.

what's your point?

[dahill1]

i'm happy with keeping my vote where it is right now

[dahill1]

I'm gonna try to get some content. The random voting stage shouldn't last more than 2-3 pages.

Mario: this role is pretty dangerous in hands of SK or mafia.
Link: this role is useless for an SK. Mafia could make good use of it.
Kirby: pretty good for both Mafia and SK.
Pikachu: very good role for Mafia, as this action would always work, except when they target the SK, but if that happens they found the SK. This role isn't that good for the SK.
Fox: a bit dangerous in the hands of scum.
Samus: not dangerous in the hands of scum.
DK: useless in the hands of scum.
IC: very handy for mafia and SK, and not very handy for town, so we might consider lynching him regardless of alignment (if we have no clue for who the scum is).
Pit: useless for SK, a bit dangerous in the hands of mafia.
Ike: useless but dangerous in hands of SK, pretty dangerous in the hands of mafia.
Snake: pretty dangerous in hands of SK, and Mafia too.
Lucas: pretty dangerous in hands of Mafia, a bit less so in hands of the SK.

Hopes this helps. Correct me if wrong.

I have a feeling that there will be many kills each night btw, seeing all those 1-shot vigs.

all that may be true of the roles, but remember, whoever is mafia/SK/town is chosen randomly, so we should play by scumhunting like normal

[dahill1]

my mistake...yeah PEG role does suck, and I guess it would benefit him (scum or town) to stay low and not really make stances on things.

This gives me

more

of a reason to take stances on things, cause if I get NK'ed the town doesnt lose a "power" role...

yeah i agree. just because you have a bad role doesn't mean you don't have to play..

[dahill1]

unvote vote AK

[dahill1]

Did I say I agree with him? I don't. I just like his style. He's not standing for the BS that some players continually put out, yourself notably among them, PEG.

AK, please read the Wiki article on Team Asshat.

so you're saying you do put up with BS?

[dahill1]

So do you or don't you put up with BS?

Flip flopping?

are you talking to me or Gorrad?

[dahill1]

Statistically, assholes will get pro-town roles more than scum roles.

although you're right about being an asshole =/= scum tell

[dahill1]

Did you even read the rest of my post?

couldn't tell if it was a joke post or not

[dahill1]

Hmmm, this is a tough situation... AK and PKG seem the most scummy as of this point, but, this is D1 and we have very little to say that they actually are scum. Personally, I believe that only one of them might be scum, since both seem to be defending some of the same arguments. Unless, of course, they are beginning to distance from eachother. I think my vote is going to go to AK, since he made the more scummy post of the two. As such:

vote: AK

what are you talking about? unless i'm mistaken, i'm pretty sure PEG is arguing

against

AK. also, why do you think they are distancing? give some examples on how they are distancing.

[dahill1]

Gob should not be roleblocked, and dahill1 should target the same player as Gob does. Why? Because this will prevent him from killing using either method if he's mafia. Since the poison ability negates the two protective roles, which can prevent any other kill, we don't want it used just yet.

also, i will agree to target whomever the town wants me to (i'm thinking possible side-vote?). however, i don't see how targetting Gob (Pikachu) would accomplish anything. wouldn't i just poison both him and whoever he hides with? sorry i don't reallly understand, can you explain this a little more please? thanks.

[dahill1]

It's not going to help trying to lynch the best/worst roles, what have to go off of right now is how people act following the jokearound stage. I'd suggest going through the assholes first then the non-contributing lurkers.

ok first of all, this post (which is the one in question) doesn't seem like a joke to me, personally. you could have at least included a smiley or a "lol" in there, and it probably wouldn't have been such a big deal. you say that

The argument was never that we should kill people based on personality in lieu of scumminess

well that last sentence in the first quote pretty much contradicts that. it seems like you were going lynch

because

of personality. you say it's a joke, but personally it didn't seem like one to me, so my vote stays.

[dahill1]

No, I'm not saying you should target Gob. I'm saying you should target the SAME PLAYER AS Gob. If both you and Gob target the same player, that player should be announced as growing in the morning, and Gob will either be living, if that player's town, or dead, if that player's scum. If you do, and he doesn't, then that player will wake up coughing, and we'll know Gob is scum. If someone else, or no-one, wakes up coughing, we'd know you're scum. If Gob dies, we know the target is scum, and if Gob lives and the target grows, we know that the target is town, and neither of you is the mafia killer.

Note: this relies on no-one else targetting Gob/Dahill's target.

oh ok, that makes sense.
yep i'll agree to do that

[dahill1]

i agree to target whoever the town votes for me and Gob to

[dahill1]

zomg let's massclaim!

I'm Mario!

...oh wait

[dahill1]

So your logic is "I'm going to pick a role useless to town so I don't get targeted"? Anti-town attitude imo. In fact if you're scum this is probably the best role you could pick (or pretend to). There would be no way for town to verify that you absorbed supersaint without lynching you. You could then proceed to use whatever night action you actually absorbed against town or NK.

On the other hand if you pick pikachu, we can get info about your alignment and your target using the mario-pikachu idea. This way your night actions are accounted for and you can be useful to town.

*agrees* AK, you basically want Super Saint so you won't be lynched which is not protown

[dahill1]

VOTE: MAFIASSK

this is a good vote for now.

May I ask why your voting me? True, I'm not participating much but I don't see what to talk ABOUT.

because you jumped on the AK wagon with bad reasoning
i'm fine with either a MafiaSSK or AK lynch today

[dahill1]

VOTE: MAFIASSK

this is a good vote for now.

May I ask why your voting me? True, I'm not participating much but I don't see what to talk ABOUT.

because you jumped on the AK wagon with bad reasoning
i'm fine with either a MafiaSSK or AK lynch today

How are you *not* jumping on the AK bandwagon with this comment?

are you talking to me? if so, i am already voting for you

[dahill1]

I was just about to point out that I find it noticeable that he answers for you. Tie noted.

you're right, it was PEG's question to answer, so sorry. but he said people were voting him for him being away which is the entirely wrong reason, so i corrected him.

[dahill1]

So, yeah, we're not lynching AK. Very useful role, plus opportunism on the part of his persecutors.

Join the MSSK wagon!

yeah i'm considering that
the bad part about lynching AK is that his role can help us even if he is scum

[dahill1]

It came later, it involved agreeing with another poster (hiding behind their argument) and added nothing of his own.

yeah, what kind of idiot doesn't give reasons when they vote

[dahill1]

It came later, it involved agreeing with another poster (hiding behind their argument) and added nothing of his own.

yeah, what kind of idiot doesn't give reasons when they vote

OH NO YOU DIDNT!?!?!

i was talking about me

[dahill1]

It came later, it involved agreeing with another poster (hiding behind their argument) and added nothing of his own.

yeah, what kind of idiot doesn't give reasons when they vote

OH NO YOU DIDNT!?!?!

i was talking about me

i was talking about you.

cool

[dahill1]

hey, before we lynch obvscum MafiaSSK, who should Gob and I target tonight?

[dahill1]

suggesting james as a possible target for me and Gob tonight because of that incredibly scummy post

[dahill1]

I think the talk about what people are going to do tonight should end NOW.

but wasn't everyone going to decide who we (me and Gob) target? how else will we target the same person?

[dahill1]

we have already had too much conversation about night actions, target who you think you should target (or if you should target)...tomorrow explain why when we random (dice) claim

yeah but dont i have to target the same person as Gob? how else will we know

[dahill1]

i'm fine with dice rolling out of the bad roles to see who we target, but i'm also fine with just targetting JTP

[dahill1]

This day is dragging out too long. I support getting rid of the bad roles. Voting me off is fine as well.

I just have again, a problem with the potential of a vote-less innocent that will turn a standard 5-person lylo to a 6-person lylo. But I agree, my role isn't much use in general. Which is why I have no real problem with telling each other night actions.

wait, telling each other what we plan to do tonight? if so, wrong!

[dahill1]

I was just find a scummish person. I swear. I don't see how its strawmanning.

guys, it's ok.
he was just find a scummish person.
anyways, ok I will target Fonz tonight, and i'll be willing to hammer at any time when people feel like they are good on discussion

[dahill1]

Need... more.... MafiaSSK lynching....

i'm ready to hammer whenever
anyone have anything else to add?

[dahill1]

We should all note that dahill also pushed this same misrepresentation. I'm also fairly suspicious of D for voting MSSK for his AK vote, but saying he's also happy with an AK lynch.

i'm not suspicious of MSSK

because

of his AK vote, but for why he voted for AK.

[dahill1]

Well, the only reason he gave was 'I agree, vote AK' so you couldn't have been voting him for the

reason he gave

, as it was the same as the reason everyone else gave.

You hammering, or what?

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VOTE AK

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[dahill1]

Apparently not, then.

hm? if i'm not wrong, i just did hammer

[dahill1]

EBWOP: LOL, i just realized i voted for AK instead of SSK! stupid acronyms!

unvote vote MafiaSSK

[dahill1]

yay for free hotel wireless
i targetted the fonz of course. i'm assuming gob hid with him, but there is always the possibilty of a fonz/gob scumteam, so i'm not trusting him 100% yet. however, that probably isn't likely, but i'm just thinking of all of the possibilites

[dahill1]

EBWOP: i have wireless, but still expect limited access until tuesday

[dahill1]

I'm sorry if I missed something, what does Ike getting bigger mean?

it means i targetted him as well as someone else

[dahill1]

Perhaps you should go ahead and remove your OMGUS vote so we can get down to business.

I'm pretty sure it's perfectly possible for us to 'get down to business' regardless of the fact that Gorrad is voting for you.

I'm gonna

vote: andersonw

, because he's contributed absolutely nothing of substance besides a "my scumbuddy is a good lynch, but I'm not going to vote for him" post.

good catch. he basically just did what SSK did to AK

[dahill1]

To be honest, I could still go for an AK lynch today because I was sensing an AK-SSK connection a bit yesterday. As for Gorrad, I agree that it wasn't the best protection choice but I can't tell yet if he was protecting the vig to benefit the mafia, or because of his personal opinion.

[dahill1]

If you use your logic like that, then also AK, dahill, and even yourself would be scum, which doesn't make sense.

if you're talking about the SSK wagon, then i hammered, so i believe that puts me on it.

[dahill1]

i don't see why people are trying to single us out. of course we aren't 100% confirmed, and yes either of us could still be the mafia/SK, but so could anyone else.

[dahill1]

well, i shouldn't have said "people". i meant AK

[dahill1]

sorry for not posting!
ok trying to get some discussion going. username i'm not sure if you already answered this but what do you think of your predecessor's behavior (JamesthePhox) at the end of day 1?

[dahill1]

ok, i'm satisfied with the response from username, which was admitting to the scummy things JtP did instead of trying to defend them. i'm starting to see how AK is less scummy now. i think he's still somewhat anti-town, but not necessarily scum. between the cases of gorrad and andersonw, gorrad's could be either protecting a scumbuddy or just his own personal opinion. IMO, anderson's is the better case as his actions were linked to (or should i say avoiding) the SSK wagon until the very end when he was sure to be lynched.

vote andersonw

[dahill1]

it didn't help that you hadn't even mentioned him previous to that

[dahill1]

3 deaths
the good news is that we caught another mafia

vote iamusername

this should be pretty obvious since Gob targetted him and died
now all we need is the SK, which clears me and Fonz since both of us have been proved not to be the killer

[dahill1]

also
posting this in all games

on the 19th i'm going to be moving across the country, so i will probably not have internet access at that time. i don't know how long it will take but i ask not to be replaced unless it's urgent that i should be. thanks!

[dahill1]

Um, yeah. Well, I was going to try saying Gorrad must be SK, roleblocked goborage AND killed him last night, but there's too many kills for that to be possible. Should have submitted no kill, didn't think it through enough.

now all we need is the SK, which clears me and Fonz since both of us have been proved not to be the killer

This is not true, the SK can kill and perform his other night action in the same night. We've iscussed this quite a lot, I'd think you should have realised by now.

Fonz is cleared because gob didn't die.

I know I'm getting lynched today, but you guys might want to hold off for a bit to help you find the other scum.

oops you're right! i forgot that the SK can do both so i'm not cleared. but the Fonz still remains cleared

[dahill1]

Actually, calling dahill as SK, since he somehow knows what kind of scum I am and he claimed he was cleared when he isn't.

Good job, town.

this looks reallllly bad for me right now. but it honestly slipped my mind that you could be the SK as well. i have no defense against that except that i forgot

[dahill1]

Actually, you guys shouldn't lynch me today, because if you don't, you'll force the mafia to waste his NK on me tonight or risk handing me the game.

This is a great plan, guys. Really.

nice try but you're going to be lynched today
think of the positive side. you're a death stump so you can help us catch the remaining scum and redeem yourself

[dahill1]

OK, it's pretty simple. Fonz is confirmed town, so no need to worry about him.

dahill posions Gorrad
Gorrad vigs Lawrencelot

If Lawrencelot is flips scum, town rejoice, game is over.
If Lawrencelot is flips town, Gorrad is poisoned and will die anyway, so lynch dahill, just in case. If Gorrad is not poisoned, lynch dahill for not following the plan.
If Lawrencelot doesn't die, lynch Gorrad for not following the plan.

Now everybody

Vote: iamausername

and get on with it.

the only problem about that is if Law is vigged then we have only 3 players left in the endgame (unless you're counted as a player?) if that is the situation and Gorrad is poisoned, do we win or lose if we mislynch?

Mod: In an endgame situation with 2 town 1 scum and the scum has just been poisoned, who wins if there is a mislynch?

[dahill1]

noted that Gorrad hammered without any consent
should i poison Gorrad tonight? i'm thinking i should

[dahill1]

meh, personally i thought death stump meant that once you die you can still post, but not vote/use night actions. otherwise, good job town for never mislynching yet still losing..