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Post Post #9 (isolation #0) » Mon Sep 13, 2004 7:24 am

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I'd like to hear about that too. If you're allowed to talk about the game that's in night, then there's proabably more things you can do that you're usually not allowed to do.

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Post Post #14 (isolation #1) » Wed Sep 15, 2004 9:00 pm

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:P Yeah, let's get this one rolling!
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Post Post #16 (isolation #2) » Wed Sep 15, 2004 9:51 pm

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I think it's one. Since day and night intertwine, you only need one thread.
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Post Post #22 (isolation #3) » Thu Sep 16, 2004 7:02 am

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It might indeed make searching for specific info in one game easier. Hmm, I don't really care either way. I'll just wait and see what the mod decides.
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Post Post #38 (isolation #4) » Sat Sep 25, 2004 1:53 am

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/Confirm receipt of village role

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Post Post #40 (isolation #5) » Sat Sep 25, 2004 1:59 am

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Norinel wrote:the silent speaker (Townie) - shot Night 1 in the Town.
It is now Day 1 in the Town
, 8 to lynch.
Erm, that's why....
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Post Post #104 (isolation #6) » Tue Sep 28, 2004 11:09 pm

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If MMCL is indeed implying he's got info, he should spit it out. I prefer to be properly informed before I lynch someone.
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Post Post #106 (isolation #7) » Tue Sep 28, 2004 11:11 pm

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If MMCL is indeed implying he's got info, he should spit it out. I prefer to be properly informed before I lynch someone.
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Post Post #110 (isolation #8) » Wed Sep 29, 2004 3:27 am

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Unvote: STD

I don't see any reason to keep a random vote.
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Post Post #126 (isolation #9) » Wed Sep 29, 2004 8:15 pm

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What is that makes you think lulu is so scummy? The comment about being regarded scummy either way doesn't really prove anything. I myself have said similar things when town in other games. Some people just want to lynch you whatever you do or say. Is there anything else you find scummy about lulu?

I'd like to see clarification from Nanook as well, though. What did you mean with that sentence?
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Post Post #164 (isolation #10) » Sat Oct 02, 2004 10:54 am

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Unless you prove you can be trusted, I don't see why you should get protection. You yourself admit you're not 100% sure about Tally's guilt.

What are we supposed to do tomorrow if Tally turned out to be innocent? Would I be wrong in predicting an insanity plea from you?
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Post Post #174 (isolation #11) » Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:46 am

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For the record: Personally, I agree with what Fuldu said in post 172. I'm not convinced yet either way on the MMCL- Tally argument, so I don't want to lynch either of them right now.
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Post Post #218 (isolation #12) » Fri Oct 08, 2004 12:51 am

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Vote: Lulu
I don't like how she's trying to not be connected to MMCL. Fact is that whatever way you look at it, she is mentioning MMCL in nearly every point she's trying to make.

Lulu, you might have different motivations than we think you have for posting what you did, but you really seem to be acting overdefensive.
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Post Post #229 (isolation #13) » Fri Oct 08, 2004 9:24 am

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PB, you've voted for 4 or 5 different people just in the first day and you've been "following suit" most of the time. Haven't you got any proper ideas of your own? Even if that's your play style, it's scummy.

Besides, following a possible innocent player who claimed investigative power is less suspicious than you are. So I guess we can revisit Lulu once the MMCL/Tally thing gets sorted out.

Unvote: Lulu; Vote Peacebringer
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Post Post #249 (isolation #14) » Fri Oct 08, 2004 7:18 pm

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I'll
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Post Post #268 (isolation #15) » Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:14 pm

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FD wrote:PeaceBringer, could you at least tell us who you blocked? It can confirm your role, and won't harm anyone......
No, it just outs an important role.
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With all the recent changes, could we get a vote count please?
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Post Post #270 (isolation #16) » Sun Oct 10, 2004 5:29 am

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FD said giving that information wouldn't hurt anyone, but doesn't admitting to being blocked say: "Kill me, I have a night choice." to the mafia?

It could be in PB's best interest to reveal, but FD was wrong in saying it wouldn't hurt anyone. It caused unneccesary outing of part of Uraj's role. That's why I'm FOSsing him.
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Post Post #272 (isolation #17) » Sun Oct 10, 2004 7:00 am

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Yes, but you just forgot to mention that Uraj might have an important role. That's a valid option, just like any other.
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Post Post #304 (isolation #18) » Sat Oct 16, 2004 8:02 pm

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rm worded my thoughts perfectly 2 posts above this one.
So I won't bother repeating them. :)
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Post Post #315 (isolation #19) » Mon Oct 18, 2004 8:28 pm

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I should add that if I were guilty (which I'm not) then the scum would already know that MMCL was a useful cop. Therefore they would have more information about MMCL than the town does, which is not a good thing.
Tally might be suspicious, but she's right about this. At this point the scum know more about MMCL than the town does. MMCL talking would even the odds.

MMCL, why did you tell us that you investigated Talitha when you refuse to say how and when you aren't sure of the validity of the result?
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Post Post #332 (isolation #20) » Wed Oct 20, 2004 7:52 pm

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I don't like it when people accuse first and check their sanity later even if it is their usual play.
I'll go and think this over.

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Post Post #335 (isolation #21) » Wed Oct 20, 2004 11:53 pm

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Yes, you are checking your info, but I'd prefer you check it
before
killing someone based on it. Now that Tally responded to your questions could you be more specific on your claim?
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Post Post #340 (isolation #22) » Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:32 pm

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Tally wrote:a) If you were a tracker you would know that the person I visited last night is still alive
b) If you're a cop (which is my guess), then you're paranoid or insane.
c) If you're a gunsmith then you'd know I don't have a gun
d) I can't think of any other role that would make you think I'm guilty.
You claim to have info on Tally, so you can't be much else than a cop, or would you like to discredit any of the claims Tally made here?
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Post Post #346 (isolation #23) » Fri Oct 22, 2004 5:17 am

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*cough*answerplease?*cough*
Mgm wrote:
Tally wrote:a) If you were a tracker you would know that the person I visited last night is still alive
b) If you're a cop (which is my guess), then you're paranoid or insane.
c) If you're a gunsmith then you'd know I don't have a gun
d) I can't think of any other role that would make you think I'm guilty.
You claim to have info on Tally, so you can't be much else than a cop, or would you like to discredit any of the claims Tally made here?
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Post Post #349 (isolation #24) » Fri Oct 22, 2004 9:13 am

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MMCL:
If you're some information role trying to get someone lynched, it's not a smart thing to keep the town in the dark as to the specifics of your role.

How do you expect people to believe you if you don't give them proof? Besides, by claiming you have info on Tally, you've already put a target on your head, so what have we got to lose if you claim?
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Post Post #375 (isolation #25) » Sat Oct 23, 2004 9:10 pm

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Random vote: Fishbulb
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Post Post #407 (isolation #26) » Tue Oct 26, 2004 9:46 pm

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Seeing as our mod is using quite convential names for the roles and that I haven't see any weird roles yet, I expect this to be standard. So my guess would be 3 mafia in both town and village.
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Post Post #410 (isolation #27) » Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:18 pm

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*Cough*IthinkyoumeantMMCLthere*Cough*
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Post Post #420 (isolation #28) » Fri Oct 29, 2004 6:39 am

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Wacky wrote:Oh well. Can we bandwagon someone for some crap reason now? It is day 1 you know.
So why aren't you trying to starting that bandwagon yourself then?
I'll be happy to start one:
Unvote; Vote: Wacky
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Post Post #423 (isolation #29) » Sat Oct 30, 2004 12:12 am

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Wacky wrote:I'm not sure if discussing werewolf roles will get us anywhere either, for all kinds of reasons.

You mean IIRC doesn't mean "In IRC chat rooms"?

Oh well. Can we bandwagon someone for some crap reason now? It is day 1 you know.
Then why didn't you just say you wanted a vote count. Can't be that hard...
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Post Post #440 (isolation #30) » Mon Nov 01, 2004 9:41 pm

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I'm voting wacky mainly because of this exchange:
Wacky wrote:I'm not sure if discussing werewolf roles will get us anywhere either, for all kinds of reasons.
You mean IIRC doesn't mean "In IRC chat rooms"?
Oh well. Can we bandwagon someone for some crap reason now? It is day 1 you know.
Mgm wrote:So why aren't you trying to starting that bandwagon yourself then?
I'll be happy to start one: Unvote; Vote: Wacky - that's 2.
Wacky wrote:Actually, I was hoping for a Vote Count so I could see who already has a vote.
Who else is voting for me?
Mgm wrote:Then why didn't you just say you wanted a vote count. Can't be that hard...
He tries to push others to start a bandwagon, yet he doesn't start one himself.
When I vote him, he says he actually wanted a vote count. How can you make a mistake and write "bandwagon" instead of "vote count"? He's changing what he says with every post.
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Post Post #447 (isolation #31) » Wed Nov 03, 2004 7:43 am

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Does sound fishy indeed.
FOS: Fuldu

Would you mind explaining that, Fuldu?
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Post Post #466 (isolation #32) » Fri Nov 05, 2004 9:42 pm

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Willows, the other game PB is referring to is the town thread...if I understand correctly, that is.
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Post Post #496 (isolation #33) » Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:46 am

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7 out of 8. If you want to come up with a proper defense, now is the time! I already FOSsed you before and this defense makes me wonder if I should vote you. If nothing happens I'll vote in about 18 hours...
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Post Post #501 (isolation #34) » Wed Nov 10, 2004 5:02 am

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That wasn't just my count, Nanook. I read the 5 of 8 from Willow's a few posts back and counted along.
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Post Post #507 (isolation #35) » Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:11 pm

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I've given it time, and Fuldu still hasn't come up with an explanation for his inconsistent behavior between town and village days.

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Post Post #552 (isolation #36) » Sat Nov 20, 2004 1:17 pm

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I'll
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Post Post #575 (isolation #37) » Sun Nov 21, 2004 11:58 pm

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I agree that the no-kill following Nanook being blocked makes him scummy, but I find MMCL claiming to be blocked so his results failed, when the only claimed roleblocker targetted someone else more suspicious.
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Post Post #578 (isolation #38) » Mon Nov 22, 2004 2:33 am

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MMCL, if you find a no-lynch the best bet, then why are you voting Nanook? You're starting to sound like cornered lying scum.

IIRC, I also said something yesterday about how you would claim insane or paranoid today if the Tally lynch went wrong. You said you wouldn't, but lo and behold, that's exactly what you are doing! Just explain to us why you considered your results to be so trustworthy that you would lynch Tally based on them. You can't become a bigger target anymore and sharing that info might get you off the hook.
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Post Post #590 (isolation #39) » Fri Nov 26, 2004 11:40 am

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Let's go back and see who willow's suspected...
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Post Post #613 (isolation #40) » Mon Nov 29, 2004 11:30 pm

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Nanook is a valid lynch candidate in the town, but I don't see any merit in lynching him here. No vote yet..
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Post Post #628 (isolation #41) » Wed Dec 01, 2004 11:49 pm

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Vote:Wacky

His reasoning on voting Nanoook is completely faulty. And as others have said, bandwagoning when you are the first to vote is extremely suspicious.
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Post Post #674 (isolation #42) » Mon Dec 13, 2004 1:42 am

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Assuming the other role isn't backup scum:
Unvote:Wacky
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but as soon as you figure out your sanity, I'd like to see some results.
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Post Post #718 (isolation #43) » Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:50 am

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Sorry for not showing up sooner. I was busy and didn't have the time to go back and find evidence. For what it's worth:
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Post Post #753 (isolation #44) » Tue Jan 11, 2005 11:34 pm

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Well, I don't think I have. But really I don't have much else to say, since there's nothing to respond to.

I'm pretty much happy with any reasoned lynch as long as it gets the game moving.
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Post Post #755 (isolation #45) » Thu Jan 13, 2005 6:35 am

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I second the deadline request
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Post Post #778 (isolation #46) » Wed Jan 19, 2005 12:09 pm

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This game has been stalled for long enough.

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Post Post #780 (isolation #47) » Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:04 pm

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Yes, it is.
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Post Post #787 (isolation #48) » Thu Jan 20, 2005 8:03 am

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Wow, that was an odd dream. Didn't see that one coming at all.
Anyway, I'll have to go back and read over what happened during the last day before I decide on who to vote for. I can't even remember anything about Nanook... :?
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Post Post #812 (isolation #49) » Sun Jan 30, 2005 11:53 pm

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Did he say all that during the same day?
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Post Post #813 (isolation #50) » Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:04 am

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UnFOS: Nanook

How did you think this one up. He said this during a village day!
I'd expect those comments of his refer to his town and village role respectively.

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Post Post #816 (isolation #51) » Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:58 am

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Unvote: Wacky


I'm sorry, I totally misread the opening post of that day.

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Post Post #817 (isolation #52) » Mon Jan 31, 2005 3:01 am

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Unvote: Wacky


I'm sorry, I totally misread the opening post of that day.

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Post Post #848 (isolation #53) » Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:32 am

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Heck, I'll go back to my previous suspicion of Wacky.
Vote Wacky

Isn't PB confirmed blocker now Nanook is dead, or am I confusing days and players?
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Post Post #851 (isolation #54) » Thu Feb 17, 2005 9:30 pm

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:oops: I guess I need to focus.
Unvote

I'll try to get some time to reread the entire game, cause I'm fresh out of ideas now.
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Post Post #870 (isolation #55) » Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:44 pm

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This game is moving far too slow, and I still haven't had time to read more of the thread. I'll
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Post Post #877 (isolation #56) » Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:13 pm

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STD: What is the flavoured role name of a vig in this game?
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Post Post #880 (isolation #57) » Wed Mar 02, 2005 9:32 pm

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Has the mod told you what your vig kills would look like, should you decide to use them?
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Post Post #906 (isolation #58) » Tue Mar 08, 2005 1:51 am

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Could you guys unvote ralphm. I hate to no-lynch, but I'd hate to lose a mason even more.
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Post Post #930 (isolation #59) » Wed Mar 16, 2005 2:20 am

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Other obligations have kept me from rereading, but the prod reached me in perfect order. I'm still here.
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Post Post #939 (isolation #60) » Mon Mar 21, 2005 10:16 am

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Let's stir things up.
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Post Post #945 (isolation #61) » Mon Mar 21, 2005 9:13 pm

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I think you're theory is flawed, Coron. Because MMCL was lynched based on Tally's information, there was a good chance townies were going to go after Tally regardless of her claim. Several people expressed that thought, and I think that there were enough townies for a substantial bandwagon to form without too much scum help.

No doubt, there's scum in these wagons trying to appear like clueless townies, but I think you have a better chance at finding scum by looking at people's voting patterns instead of just being on those two wagons. Who was overeager? Did we even have any succesful scum lynches in the town? See who stayed away from those.
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Post Post #952 (isolation #62) » Tue Mar 22, 2005 7:18 am

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Fishbulb wrote:
Mgm wrote:No doubt, there's scum in these wagons trying to appear like clueless townies, but I think you have a better chance at finding scum by looking at people's voting patterns instead of just being on those two wagons. Who was overeager? Did we even have any succesful scum lynches in the town? See who stayed away from those.
If you know the best way to find scum, then why are random voting
me
? From the way that sounds, you haven't attempted any of that yourself, but yet you're telling Coron to do it.
Yeah, I know how it sounds. Real life stuff has kept me from rereading, so I voted Fishbulb to get the stalled discussion going again. When Coron came up with his theory, I thought it was flawed so I said so. You can be assured, that I'll be following my own advice (once I get enough time).

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Post Post #971 (isolation #63) » Wed Mar 23, 2005 7:06 pm

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Coron wrote:
Save The Dragons wrote:I think W_W is a cop for the village, and Nanook a roleblocker in the town.

A vote count would be good.
This combined with the fact that, as others have said std is acting differently in the two games might actually make std a better lynch.
unvote vote: STD
That may just be because he's got two different roles. Doesn't necessarily mean he's scum. I act different with practically any role I've got.
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Post Post #978 (isolation #64) » Fri Mar 25, 2005 7:03 am

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Will you be able to steal something more than once?
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Post Post #982 (isolation #65) » Fri Mar 25, 2005 9:37 am

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It does beg the question. What would you have stolen if you'd chosen the hospital?
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Post Post #988 (isolation #66) » Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:20 pm

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I'm undecided. STD's role is odd enough to be true, but I've been known to make up creative claims when scum myself. I have to think some more.
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Post Post #991 (isolation #67) » Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:49 am

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Fuldu wrote:I can't decide whether the lack of response to my suggestion that a Thief analogue in Village come out with it is due to a) people thinking it's a bad idea, b) lack of participation, c) that player being dead, or d) there being no such person. I still want to move my vote to STD, but I'm going to wait a little longer on it. Any discussion, even from people who just want to say that they
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In case it wasn't clear: I'm not a thief (or another analogous role) in the village. Does that help, Fuldu? :P
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Post Post #1004 (isolation #68) » Mon Apr 04, 2005 8:31 pm

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Fuldu wrote:It's not that it's a creative claim, STD. It's that it's a
bad
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Post Post #1008 (isolation #69) » Tue Apr 05, 2005 5:54 pm

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Unvote; Vote: STD
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Post Post #1010 (isolation #70) » Wed Apr 06, 2005 1:40 am

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:? Shot in a werewolf village?

I guess there's a vig around, but I'm at loss as to why they'd shoot the doc.
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Post Post #1012 (isolation #71) » Wed Apr 06, 2005 2:07 am

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Of course, it could a SK too.

Funny how you're still alive with such a name. On the other hand, I expect that probably caused you to be investiagted early on. (Just like DP in Dragon Phoenix Mafia on the GL)

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Post Post #1016 (isolation #72) » Wed Apr 06, 2005 8:19 am

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NanookTheWolf wrote:
MGM wrote:Funny how you're still alive with such a name. On the other hand, I expect that probably caused you to be investiagted early on.
Is this relayed at me?
It is, a link between wolves and werewolves is easily made. But as I said, I doubt you'd survive being a wolf for very long, so I'm fairly certain you're not.
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Post Post #1021 (isolation #73) » Wed Apr 06, 2005 5:55 pm

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Norinel wrote:Mastermind of Sin replaced Flying Dutchman a while back.
In that case,
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Norinel, could you please update the front post and remove FD from it?
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Post Post #1023 (isolation #74) » Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:17 am

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the silent speaker wrote:Halfpint just replaced in; it wouldn't be cricket to lynch her for her pains. Mgm tried to get STD to give out flavor text yesterday, which is unlikely to help catch someone in a lie (since my lack of flavor text does not mean that you also have none) but might be useful as public information for a maf who wants to make his claim look good.

We lynched scum didn't we? I can't see how outing a fake claim can be a bad thing.
the silent speaker wrote:Since it's between him, MOS and Nanook today, from my standpoint,
vote: Mgm
and let's see what happens.
You'll have to explain that one. Why are you disregarding everyone else?
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Post Post #1024 (isolation #75) » Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:36 am

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ralphmerridew wrote:those who are publicly uncertain:
Mastermind of Sin / FD
Mgm
the silent speaker
halfpint (Replacing silgado106)
NanookTheWolf

those who I consider cleared:
PeaceBringer - good by willows_weep
Save The Dragons - vig (almost certain)
ralphmerridew - Mason (not challenged by Talitha)

I'm not identifying anyone else in my mason lodge for now.
I think that we could win the game on this end with a few well-placed claims. I think we only need one more wolf who was associated with Coron and Fishbulb, and according to ralphmerridew we've got 5 suspects left (though I'm not sure how STD killing Speedy clears him/her of being an SK)

I know I'm innocent and I believe Nanook is too. And if those assumptions are correct that would leave us with 3 suspects (MOS, halfpint and TSS).

I'm pretty sure it would help the town if any other masons came out to shorten the suspect list and I'd also be happy to claim myself if required.
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Post Post #1027 (isolation #76) » Thu Apr 07, 2005 6:01 pm

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You can say what you think, but I probably wouldn't have put the final vote on STD if it wasn't for his suspicious flavor text.

Besides, isn't it all irrelevant for village events? What happened to STD is town business.
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Post Post #1029 (isolation #77) » Fri Apr 08, 2005 12:59 am

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My mistake, I wasn't fully awake when I wrote that. :oops:
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Post Post #1031 (isolation #78) » Fri Apr 08, 2005 7:14 am

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Does that automatically mean you don't see any merit in my plan?
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Post Post #1035 (isolation #79) » Sun Apr 10, 2005 8:14 pm

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Yes, I mean the claiming plan I suggested a few posts back. This is also where I said that I believe Nanook is already investigated. I'm not sure Nanook is clean, but I think changes (s)he is are considerable. Who would your random investigation go to in a werewolf game? The same thing happened to DP in Dragon Phoenix Mafia on the GL.

Anyway, I said all that, go back and just read the full rationale I wrote down earlier.
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Post Post #1037 (isolation #80) » Mon Apr 11, 2005 9:50 pm

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the silent speaker wrote:dp to clarify: we lynched scum, but not because of flavor text. And asking for flavor text isn't that likely to out a fake claim because blah blah and furthermore blah.
Since he's high on my list of suspects, let's see if asking his flavor text will out a fake claim.

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Post Post #1039 (isolation #81) » Tue Apr 12, 2005 2:32 am

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Norinel has done that on the first post of the game.
And all you really need to read is my plan (a few posts back).
I prefer to have some opinions on that before we go into night.
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Post Post #1046 (isolation #82) » Tue Apr 12, 2005 5:55 pm

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Mgm wrote:
ralphmerridew wrote:those who are publicly uncertain:
Mastermind of Sin / FD
Mgm
the silent speaker
halfpint (Replacing silgado106)
NanookTheWolf

those who I consider cleared:
PeaceBringer - good by willows_weep
Save The Dragons - vig (almost certain)
ralphmerridew - Mason (not challenged by Talitha)

I'm not identifying anyone else in my mason lodge for now.
I think that we could win the game on this end with a few well-placed claims. I think we only need one more wolf who was associated with Coron and Fishbulb, and according to ralphmerridew we've got 5 suspects left (though I'm not sure how STD killing Speedy clears him/her of being an SK)

I know I'm innocent and I believe Nanook is too. And if those assumptions are correct that would leave us with 3 suspects (MOS, halfpint and TSS).

I'm pretty sure it would help the town if any other masons came out to shorten the suspect list and I'd also be happy to claim myself if required.
Is it really that hard to read back a few posts and think? I stated my reasons clearly and it would be hypocritical to ask others to claim and not be willing to myself.

Yes, claims give scum info, but it gives town info too. And with only 1 more werewolf (assumption) to track down, I think we can afford it. Why hold claims and info back when they can win us the game?
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Post Post #1047 (isolation #83) » Tue Apr 12, 2005 5:57 pm

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Mgm wrote:Of course, it could a SK too.

Funny how you're still alive with such a name. On the other hand, I expect that probably caused you to be investiagted early on. (Just like DP in Dragon Phoenix Mafia on the GL)
And here's why I
think
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Post Post #1049 (isolation #84) » Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:40 pm

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Mastermind of Sin wrote:So far I've gotten through Day 2, and I've picked up that TSS was quite instrumental in getting votes for Wacky, since he provided the reasoning, yet he never once voted for Wacky on that day, and spent most of the day voting for myself (FD) with less reasoning than he had for Wacky. I'll let you know if more stuff catches my eye as I keep reading.
Even more reason to bandwagon TSS. I'm keeping my vote.
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Post Post #1054 (isolation #85) » Thu Apr 14, 2005 10:29 am

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Fact 1: We're down two werewolves.
Fact 2: We had a non-werewolf kill last night.
Fact 3: We've got 3 confirmed innocents.

I don't see how a mass claim is such a bad thing at this point. We have only one scum to go (unless the shooter is an SK instead of a vig I assume him to be), in which case (s)he can help to get rid of the werewolf.

I'll be the first to admit that it's hard to confirm me, but if I have to die to let the town win, so be it. Just claim before today's lynch, so night actions can be optimized to get the remaining scum.
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Post Post #1056 (isolation #86) » Thu Apr 14, 2005 10:44 am

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ralphmerridew wrote:those who are publicly uncertain:
Mastermind of Sin / FD
Mgm
the silent speaker
halfpint (Replacing silgado106)
NanookTheWolf

those who I consider cleared:
PeaceBringer - good by willows_weep
Save The Dragons - vig (almost certain)
ralphmerridew - Mason (not challenged by Talitha)

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Post Post #1062 (isolation #87) » Fri Apr 15, 2005 8:57 am

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The lack of participation is very disappointing. Say something, anything!
Let's talk about who should claim first if we finally got around to mass claiming.
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Post Post #1065 (isolation #88) » Fri Apr 15, 2005 11:01 am

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I doubt the investigation can be fooled. The Werewolf GF is already dead.
So, the investigated player is most confirmed.
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Post Post #1069 (isolation #89) » Sat Apr 16, 2005 3:45 am

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PB, since you're the most confirmed. In what order do you want the non-confirmed to claim?
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Post Post #1073 (isolation #90) » Sat Apr 16, 2005 10:27 pm

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ralphmerridew wrote:I want to see Mgm claim first; he's been acting most suspicious to me.
Can you back this up with actual evidence? Like this it's a bit of an empty point.
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Post Post #1076 (isolation #91) » Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:35 pm

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Is anyone planning to say something? We just went more than 24 hours without a single post!
In post 1072, halfpint wrote:PB -- So, is that a request for me to claim?
In post 1070, PeaceBringer wrote:If I were to pick someone it would be one of halfpint or Nanook who have been both quiet.
Looks like a request to me.
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Post Post #1078 (isolation #92) » Tue Apr 19, 2005 7:43 am

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Because the confirmed innocent Peacebringer wants someone else to claim first. A mass claim is only useful if you let the scum claim first so they have to make up a lie quickly. If you like, I'll claim right after halfpint does.

I already said you could lynch me after a mass claim if you don't believe me, which I'm sure you won't. What else could you want?
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Post Post #1080 (isolation #93) » Tue Apr 19, 2005 9:32 am

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the silent speaker wrote:How come you're not claiming, Mgm? You're the one who's been pushing for a mass claim, you're the one with the most votes, yet you haven't tried to claim yourself...
Yeah, I know you and STD are voting me and ralphmerridew has voiced suspicions, but I've yet to see any solid reasoning to suggest I'm even remotely scummy.
TSS wrote:Halfpint just replaced in; it wouldn't be cricket to lynch her for her pains. Mgm tried to get STD to give out flavor text yesterday, which is unlikely to help catch someone in a lie (since my lack of flavor text does not mean that you also have none) but might be useful as public information for a maf who wants to make his claim look good. Since it's between him, MOS and Nanook today, from my standpoint, vote: Mgm and let's see what happens.
Besides, you're voting me based on something I did in the town... Do you have anything village-related you want to use as evidence?
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Post Post #1082 (isolation #94) » Tue Apr 19, 2005 5:53 pm

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Me asking flavour text of STD was yester-game-day in the town before his lynch to determine if he was scum. Can't remember doing so in the village, but then again than was somewhat longer ago.
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Post Post #1085 (isolation #95) » Tue Apr 19, 2005 8:37 pm

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This is really frustrating. I still can't see how asking for flavour text is scummy when I'm trying to make scum trip up. But now that the majority of the town wants a claim, I guess it's the best thing to do, besides I promised.

I'm a simple villager. Nothing more, nothing less. Since there's nothing confirmable about it, I understand it if you want to lynch me. Please, look at other villager claimers with the same suspicion as you did to me. I'm sure there's innocents in there, but I also think scum will try to claim villager.

Now could you guys please put your suspicions of me into words?

I'd like to hear from TSS next, unless PeaceBringer disagrees.
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Post Post #1087 (isolation #96) » Wed Apr 20, 2005 2:29 am

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Save The Dragons wrote:For the record, I never thought asking for flavor was scummy, I just remembered that you did.
That was directed at TSS, not you.
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Post Post #1092 (isolation #97) » Sat Apr 23, 2005 9:47 am

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ralphmerridew wrote:I'll explain my reasons after you claim. But for now, since we know that masons are in the game (through Talitha's death), and she didn't challenge my claim yesterday, I believe I am the most cleared person in the village.
So, I've claimed now. What are your reasons for suspecting me?
Who hasn't claimed yet?
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Post Post #1094 (isolation #98) » Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:19 am

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Unvote:TSS

There's no use in voting a confirmed mason.

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Post Post #1095 (isolation #99) » Wed Apr 27, 2005 12:37 am

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Vote: Mastermind of Sin
for being the only person who hasn't claimed yet.

The lack of discussion is horrible. Maybe a list of claims will help to get discussion going again.

List of claims:

Mgm - claimed simple villager
PeaceBringer - confirmed innocent by Willows_weep (with Wolf GF now dead - confirming innocence).
SaveTheDragons - claimed vigilante. (confirmed by Nanook)
ralphmerridew, TSS and Talitha (deceased) - masons confirmed by each other.
halfpint - claimed night kill immunity because of wolfsbane.

Apart from not knowning MOS's role, I find halfpint suspicious.

I did think about Nanook too. We already had a cop-type die earlier and Nanook's claim didn't provide anything we didn't already know. His claim also misses results for 2 nights
(To check: Did he post in V/LA for nights 2 and 3? Was he replaced?)
But since we have two docs, having 2 cops makes sense.

As for halfpint, with all the power roles, I just can't see immunity happen. It would make things too imbalanced. Two cops (willows_weep and Nanook) and two docs (SpeedyKQ and Wacky) gives a town plenty of power. A villager with night kill immunity just doesn't fit.

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Post Post #1100 (isolation #100) » Fri Apr 29, 2005 7:35 am

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About Nanook: With all docs dead, it's reasonable to assume Nanook won't make it through the night. If he does, the scum left him alive because of him having a useless sanity or because he lied to begin with. Of course Nanook should still investigate, but let's not have the game depend on it.

Let's try to get MOS talking first. And decide on the lynch after hearing a claim.

We lynch the most suspicious claim, let one of the other 2 be vigged overnight and look very close and careful look at what's left tomorrow.

I would like to survive, but if my death can serve the town, I can live (or rather die) with it. Just give me a final chance to speak, before doing the deed or going to night in case of vigging.
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Post Post #1101 (isolation #101) » Fri Apr 29, 2005 7:37 am

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About Nanook: With all docs dead, it's reasonable to assume Nanook won't make it through the night. If he does, the scum left him alive because of him having a useless sanity or because he lied to begin with. Of course Nanook should still investigate, but let's not have the game depend on it.

Let's try to get MOS talking first. And decide on the lynch after hearing a claim.

We lynch the most suspicious claim, let one of the other 2 be vigged overnight and look very close and careful look at what's left tomorrow.

I would like to survive, but if my death can serve the town, I can live (or rather die) with it. Just give me a final chance to speak, before doing the deed or going to night in case of vigging.
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Post Post #1106 (isolation #102) » Fri Apr 29, 2005 9:02 pm

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If MOS is a cop, I'm not buying Nanook's claim by a long shot.
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Post Post #1108 (isolation #103) » Sat Apr 30, 2005 9:54 pm

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halfpint wrote:
STD wrote:Vigging halfpint tonight unless any objections.
Hmm ... considering my role is useful to the town (I can't get killed at night by werewolves), why would you want to do this ... I know I haven't been active, but surely there has got to be some other reason.
Why we'd want to do this? You're one of the suspects. Why would the town need someone immune to werewolf attacks if there's two cops and two docs? Unless you've got some reason to suspect one of the confirmed innocents, I doubt STD is gonna listen to you.
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Post Post #1112 (isolation #104) » Sun May 01, 2005 10:59 am

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:( Grrr! Go town!
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Post Post #1130 (isolation #105) » Tue May 03, 2005 1:15 am

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Damn! I'm still dead. :(
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Post Post #1159 (isolation #106) » Fri May 13, 2005 12:37 am

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Yes, I know I'm dead in this town.

I'm posting to let you know that should the village day start during the weekend, I won't be able to make it. I'll be away without any computer access in a few hours and I won't be back until late on May 16.
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Post Post #1193 (isolation #107) » Sun May 22, 2005 8:50 pm

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Damned! I knew I was going to become a target eventually. I can be short about things. STD is right. It wouldn't be smart to lynch me and his eagerness to get me lynched makes PB quite suspicious in my eyes.
As to my role, simple villager.
Mgm has to be the wolf, vote Mgm
I've seen such statements from scum who smelled a quick victory.

Wasn't he also the last to claim his role? Willows_weep could've had a different sanity (I'd have to check), so it doesn't exclude PB being scum.

It's either me or him, as I think the the masons are clear and we need STD to shoot the wolf in case of a faulty lynch so my vote won't be surprising.

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Please don't rush this lynch. I need some more time to plead my case and review some ideas. The site is acting up as well. You don't have anything to lose by waiting.
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Post Post #1194 (isolation #108) » Sun May 22, 2005 8:54 pm

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I've seen such statements from scum who smelled a quick victory.
I meant to say "
mostly
from scum" in that quote.

As for the mason thingy. If memory serves me correct, me and MOS were indeed the only 2 masons in the town, but I'll dig up my PM to be sure.
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Post Post #1196 (isolation #109) » Mon May 23, 2005 9:40 am

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I'm not the last wolf. Doesn't it count for anything that I was the one to start the idea of having the last few players claim yester-village-day? Isn't PB's stalling enough reason to lynch him?

I'm not really sure whether STD is town or not, but at least he's trying to kill werewolves.

STD: Kill PB if I'm lynched. If you're scum it win's you the game, if not - it bags the game for the town.
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Post Post #1202 (isolation #110) » Mon May 23, 2005 6:00 pm

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Go ahead, vote me! Unless STD is scum, he's bagging the game for the town by killing PB anyway.
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Post Post #1205 (isolation #111) » Thu May 26, 2005 8:03 pm

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So, it's been 3 days since ralphmerridew posted. :roll:

Exactly how long are we going to leave scum PB alive and allow him to be unresponsive before we lynch him?
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Post Post #1207 (isolation #112) » Fri May 27, 2005 12:57 pm

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Save The Dragons wrote:If PB doesn't post when I come back to the site (in about 6 hours or so) and I remember I posted this then, then I'm going to end it.
End what? My life or his?
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Post Post #1209 (isolation #113) » Sat May 28, 2005 12:36 am

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I was expecting you to argue yourself to death for my lynch, and now you are so... indifferent. Maybe StD is the serial killer after all...

Unfortunately, the final wolf will kill us all if we're wrong about that and we know one of us is that wolf...

Go ahead, lynch one of us, we can't stop an SK STD anyway without allowing a scum win for the wolves.
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