Mini 588: Achewood Mafia - Game Over!

[populartajo]

Vote OG Smokedank

This is totally random, yo.

[populartajo]

Hi all. After a reread of some rap and some explantion of OMGUS (lol, oh my god you're stupid) I sincerely think its pretty dumb to jump into accusations this serious this early, since only 3 people are attacking each other and its improbable to find a scum in such a small group. There could be one, though, but my point is that we should somehow acelerate the process of getting our replacements and the posting of lurkers.

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Also, even if you were lying. which I do NOT believe you were, you just set a trap for someone to jump on and are now strongly advocating a lynch based on protown behaviour that you're trying to discredit.

I think you're taking this too seriously. What trap are you talking about? A random comment?

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Rather than say "Oh, I was joking" he jumps right on me, saying that my vote was a scumtell.

I see where you're coming from and Ive noted this. What bothers me is that we have 4/12 people talking, dont you think?

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Mod, what about the replacements

What about DragonofSummer, Captain Cake, Greasy Spot and Thinktank. Could you prod them?

Bleh, with all this come and go that has happened between PbuG and Lemming, Ive been thinking that a)there's one scum between them or b) that they are both townies having a silly discusion, reacting against the other in a vicious circle of accusations. Im more inclined to believe in option b), also for the fact that AGAIN we have like 6 people out of 12 (notice the bold) filling this thread.

yo maybe if you thought about it and used your head youd realize my jokes got some kind of point

Explain please. Also, do you like where your vote is now?

Also I'm looking hard at Malthusis who jumped on for even worse reasoning...as in agreeing with shitty reasoning and giving none of his own. That was blatant bandwagoning.

I agree. Malthius did you also think he wasnt joking? Why the vote?

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do people at mafiascum just not have senses of humor or are you guys just really that dumb

I susppose people here do have sense of humor but calling someone retarded or dumb is way too much.
Also, are you a girl?

Yes I've been lurking but really theres not much I can add, so I see no point in spouting nonsense and confusing the town like it seems a few of your are doing.

Hope this changes as the game progresses.

I feel his early behavior with PBuG (which I feel is just townie misunderstanding townie) is distracting people from voting for the noob scum we have right in front of us.

It was all good until the last sentence. Noob scum? I understand noob but scum?

If Lemming responds to my latest post in a way that satisfies me I will heavily consider changing my vote.

What made you change your mind?

this quite possibly could've been PBuG joking, except for his next post after I voted for him:

Why didnt you think it before?
Interesting comments.

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I did a reread and a few things I was misunderstanding came out. I don't think PBuG is as bad as he looks.
But Malthusis jumping on the two bandwagons in the game with little less than "me too" is really damn scummy and is worth a vote:
UNVOTE VOTE: Malthusis

But you seemed very convinced PBuG was scum. And now it seems you're basically jumping in another "scummy". Not that I dont find Malthius suspicious, but do you usually play like that?
Some interesting fact that may be used later.

Often times jumping on the guy that claims culty on the first page can be seen as scummy.

Sorry I haven't posted at all in the past little bit. I agree with Lemming, that add on third vote and the really quick jump on the wagon is quite scummy.

Captain Cake, Dragon of Summer and Greasy Spot seem to have forgotten about this game. Prod them?

To be honest i agree that OG looks quite scummy right now, not wuite enough to be worth a vote or FoS but i would advise everyone to keep a watch on what she says.

If you mean your blatant OMGUS of a vote on him then saying he is replacing scum that we clearly have no way of knowing yet then yeh, i think you do seem scummy, your points have no point and your main point is an OMGUS.
Vote: OG

Musher, what made you change your mind?
About OG, I dont know. She's indeed scummy, could be newbiness, weak defense, but there are many people jumping against her. It just doesnt feel good.

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It just doesnt feel right.

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Unvote

Very busy these days and I dont want crazy things to happen while Im away. It would help that all OG Smokedank voters post (again) or quote

exactly

their reasons for voting this girl. I think its valid for her to hear why is she being suspected besides insults.
If you dont know who you are read this:

OG Smokedank (5): populartajo, Alabaska J, PBug, Musher333, DragonsofSummer

OG in your analysis of your voters I was cruelly excluded. Why?
Also, is this your first game?

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What were you're reasons for voting Og smokedank. you never stated, only at the beginning of the game claiming the vote was completely random. If so, don't you figure it was a little late to be keeping up a random vote, especially when OG was a L-2?

Reasons for voting OG : random vote yo.
Reasons for keeping my vote : I thought I had unvoted her a million years ago but the VC post above mine made me realize that.
And yes its a little late, but luckily she wasnt lynched. I still dont see her as the play for today. Rereading Im still trying to understand when did PbUG and Lemming became so unaware of each other. I know I was asking for this, but it feels very sudden.
Disliking also DragonofSummer contributions.
About Malthius, bleh, I've heard he's lazy and feels very scummy in all his games. Idk. Feels like an easy target for opportunistic scum.
Right now Im having problems deciding which player of the OG wagon seem scummier. My question stands.

Alabaska J, PBug, Musher333, DragonsofSummer why do you suspect OG?

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I believe OG's claim. Reasons : a)Frustration hardly faked. b)Town or scum claiming cop D1 is pretty much suicide, unless something strange happens. c) I had the feeling she was an easy target, therefore, besides some scummy behavior, I had a town read on her.
I think we need to pressure the people that voted her for weak reasons or people that pushed her lynch more further that a townie would. I might need to reread more to find out. Malthius is a good suggestion but for now Im going with a player that has bothered me some time.

Vote : Lemming.

Just for being so vocal at the beginning against PbuG and OG, then is suddenly quiet.
And just a question, @PbuG: what do you think of Lemming right now?

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I'm still a little irked by how he handled the situation, but I'm satisfied with him for now.

Why?

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Overeaction, maybe?

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Overeaction, maybe?

Hell yeah, on both sides.

Fine with that?

i would hammah mal if i wasn't already voting him... i'll have to be content that he's L-1 right now.
care to defend, mal?

I agree. Wait, hes at L-1? Someone unvote please?
Also, lulu, why do you want to hammer him?

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VC, also, please, okthx

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Also, FoS: populartajo for being so vote shy. You afraid of your scumbuddy being lynched?

I seriously dislike bandwagons, whats so wrong with that?

She is a noob; that explains a lot. You'd be surprised how bad people are in there first game no matter what their role. I was horrible in my first game and was lynched day one-when I was the doc.

Then why going so hard against she?

FoS : Alabaska

PBuG, question stands.

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UGH, sorry i should have previewed...
EBWOP:

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This was populartajo's last vote:

Vote : Lemming.
Just for being so vocal at the beginning against PbuG and OG, then is suddenly quiet.
And just a question, @PbuG: what do you think of Lemming right now?

I seriously dislike bandwagons, whats so wrong with that?

a bandwagon is only bandwagon if it looks like a quicklynch with no reasoning behind it.
not to mention that you shouldn't vote unless you've got good reasoning. i find it strange that you're voting for lemming and then asking for PBuG's opinion on lemming

I hate bandwagons, specially D1 ones. Ive seen many good and bad townies dying to good and weak arguments. I guess it's also related to the fact that I, as town, was bandwagoned to death D1 in my first non-newbie game.
And about my question to PbUg, you had to be here at the beginning of D1. PbUg and Lemming were involved in a fight to death very early that I thought both of them were exagerating things. But now, no one seems to care against the other. It somehow bothers me.

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Okay, malthusis just overtook Lemming on the scum-o-meter with 210. Reading over his stuff, malthusis seemed moderately scummy, but not as bad as Lemming or OG, but it feels a whole lot like mal is trying to get a lemming bandwagon started, so I'm going to

vote:malthusis

. Keep in mind that we are now at lynch-1.

I think its time for him to claim.

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What odd stances?

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I have a theory.
Guys, its simple if thats how it worked. They didnt kill OG because they KNEW there was a roleblocker.
So they were probably thinking that there could be a doctor that could protect OG.
Who said there was a roleblocker?
How convenient, Alabaska...

Anyways, if Alabaska comes up town then OG should be inmediately lynched.

Vote : Alabaska

[populartajo]

I hope lulu mummu is indeed too bothered by the flavor because I dont like how he seems to defend Alabaska.

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Ok, lulu. No need to be so angry at me. It just bothered me that you went for OG and not for Alabaska, her result, even though you think shes the cop.
It would help that OG clarify this situation. Dont post your PM, OG, but tell me, what kind of result did you get or are you simply pushing Alabaska´s lynch because he pushed your lynch yesterday?

[populartajo]

I would assume that the scum didn't try to kill OG because they expected that there would be a doctor to save her. Basically every game has a doctor, and the cop is a pretty obvious choice to save.

Makes enough sense to me.
Mustafa, do you think mafia has a roleblocker?
If you say yes, Ive been wondering why didnt they block OG?

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Alabaska, nothing to comment about my posts?
Since I believe one of you and OG is going to be lynched today, Im thinking that you should claim, am I right?

[populartajo]

Unvote

For the moment.
OG, this isnt a stupid question. What role did you get? Dont PM, explain it in your own words. Name and power.
Demonking, I ask the same question, target and result please.

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So, did you "investigate" Alabaska?

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@OG:

So, did you "investigate" Alabaska? Oe what exactly did you do? Whats your power?

I investigated PBuG. It turned out not to matter since he got nked but yeah. I had a small suspicion of him when things got hectic for me, and so I investigated him.

It seems indeed convenient. Dragon why did you investigate PbUG? Who were your other possibilities?
.......
Im still unsure about Dragon's claim. Why would he need, assuming he's scum, "counterclaim" someone that could be dead if she´s lying.
Thast why I need that OG explains whats his power. Does your role says that people not drinking in the bar are scum?

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OG, does your action target?

[populartajo]

Og, does your action target? Does your role says exactly cop? Or did you assume it? In order to find out exactly what is going on here we have to be very specific about your role.
Anyways, think for a sec about Dragon's claim. Dont you think its a bad play for him as scum to counterclaim to discredit you? The only reason for him to do it is that he's indeed the cop or that he's a desesperate and a really bad scum.
But if you arent the cop, or at least, your role doesnt specify it, voila, Dragon has more possibilities of being our cop than you.
Im guessing you assumed you were the cop even though its not specified, right?
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Dragon, there is no reason for voting for OG. I still believe her claim and that he assumed many things but Im not sure if people drinking or not drinking on the bar can decide if someone is or isnt scum. What exactly do you think of Alabaska?
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Does flavor usually influence that much in games?

[populartajo]

Also, I DO drink.

How do you know?

[populartajo]

Also, I DO drink.

How do you know?

Only town could know it tells you in role pm, any1 else think this means populartajo is scum because he didnt know?

Thats exactly why I asked. Im town but I dont drink.

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EBWOP
Musher, do you drink? Does everyone drink?

[populartajo]

Its an alt, Alabaska. Cipher (or should I say Ergo) messed it up.

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In this moment I sincerely want to know who drinks and who doesnt.
Alabaska --> Yes.
Populartajo --> No.

[populartajo]

I agree.
One question, does flavor usually influence this much?

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Dont ignore us, OG.
You assumed you were the cop, right?

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Cipher, does your PM specifically says "you dont drink"?
Also, its pretty obvious that someone is lying. That means that there are big possibilities of one of them being scum since I dont see why a townie would lie about a fact like drinking.
Lulu you know you drink in the bar but not for your PM, right?
Then why is Alabaska the only one who has it specified in his role PM?

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I think we need thinktank and Greasy spot prodded.

Musher seems a little quiet for my taste. Musher do you drink?

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Alright so we have a claimed doc (DragonsofSummer) who investigated a Dead person. Can't tell if he is really truthful or not since we can't prove it. If he is the doc he will probably be targeted tonight.

OG claims to be the bartender and knows whether people are drinkers or not. Based on my PM (which says I'm a smoker) which doesn't say whether I drink or not, I think you may be reading into your flavor a little too much.

@ OG: By the way where is the post in which you called alabaska scum. I looked for it but wasn't sure which one you were referring to.

idk its like the first one of the day where i say he doesnt drink and vote him, this was after establishing that people who didnt drink were scum in my original claim

My problem is who told you that people that dont drink are scum? Is it specified in your PM? So, did you target Alabaska and the resul was "He doesnt drink"?
I agree that someone is lying, though, and that this situation almost confirms someone as scum. There was no reason for lying.

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Chill out, OG. Last question. Where did you get that scum drinks?
Thinktank do you drink?

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does anybody fucking read my posts?

Yes we do but we have the right to ask becuase you were that DUMB to believe that you were the cop when you weren't.
God, somebody please fuck this girl so that she can relax.

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Does Musher assuming that Im scum for not having "drinking" in my PM tell us he's town or scum?
I think town since its reasonable to suspect someone when you have a townie PM and you DO drink, as Musher says.
Right?

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Has anyone asked this before? OG Smokedank, do you drink? Is it specfied in your PM?

FLAVOR ALERT
This is what I found about Todd.

Todd is an illiterate, drug-dealing squirrel, drives a miniature squirrel-sized van, and is friends with Philippe.

He probably drinks.
Now, it seems that some of the "good guys" do drink. It doesnt mention anything about drinking when refering to other caractheres. I think lulu can help us with this?

In conclusion, and IMO
1. Drinking or not drinking IS NOT indicative of allignement as OG Smokedank has implied. It probably means something but I dont know yet.
2. The debate about this probably should end and we should start looking for scum the good ol fashioned way.
3. Alabaska feels scummier than OG.
Reason: When OG explained his PM, Alabaska commented this:

i'm cornelius the bartender, because everyone in town comes in to drink at my bar, i know everyone in town and know who is a drinker and who isnt. this strongly implies that drinkers are not among the town and are therefore scum.

Or it could imply that those who drink are scum and those who don't are town. The mafia could chill out at your bar, for all we know. Seeing as PBuG was a five-year old stuffed animal…

After he acepts that he drinks. What does it mean? Why would he come up with a theory about drunk scum when he DOES drink?

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Alabaska I still think that post I mentioned is a little bit scummy. If you did drink why did you have to speculate about scum being drinkers in OG's bar?

I have a plan.

My plan is based in the fact that one of Alabaska and OG is lying. So its your last chance to inform us that you indeed told us the truth. I dont want anyone tomorrow claiming "Uh, I guess I misread" or "Uh, I lied to get that scum lynched". LAST CHANCE.

Anyways, my plan is pretty simple.
We have to lynch either Alabaska or OG.

If we lynch Alabaska then what happens. He could be town or scum but we WONT have any information whether he drinks or not (Todd Todd was only a Goon and Philipee is just 5) therefore we cant confirm OG as a power role. If Alabaska's scum then we're in a fine position and we can afford to even lynch OG if we need to. But if he's town then what? Does that make OG town or scum? We wouldnt know.

Now, If we lynch OG then what happens. He could be town or scum but we WILL have any information about his power role since she says that it targets. If OG is indeed a Flavor Cop then Alabaska is lying and pretty much is scum. We lynch him and we would be in the same situation above with the only difference that we lose our girl (unless something crazy happens)

In the other hand Dragon of Summer might have another chance to investigate OG, if we lynch Alabaska, or another player of his choice (if he isnt killed, roleblocked, etc, etc). Take in count that OG claimed cop D1 and now she' alive.

Logic tells us to lynch OG but if you want a sincere opinion, my gut tells me that Alabaska is lying and that OG supposed too much.

Thats my plan. What do you think? Logic or gut? OG or Alabaska?

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BTW my plan is shit if OG is indeed the flavor cop but he gets wrong results.

[populartajo]

Lets do things simpler. Is anyone Cornelius the Bartender, the role that OG claims to be?

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so who do you suggest we lynch today?

I'm getting to that. Still working through the permutations in my head.

That would explain why Ergo is still here.
Anyways, if I believe in Greasy Spot the next vote will be the hammer. Im willing to hammer him if we all agree. Alabaska claim, last words, etc.

[populartajo]

Pat is one of the three original cat characters, along with Roast Beef and Ray. Over the years, his role has receded into the background, but his is still a formidable presence.

He is a generally unpleasant character — he typically plays the antagonist — and seems to hate anyone that does not live up to his impossibly high standards of behavior.

Nuff said?
I have a question for the more experienced ones. Does flavor always inlfuence this much?
After I get an answer, I will hammer. Any last words Alabaska?
I also found something.

Pat lives quite comfortably on the lam with "Nice Pete," a

serial killer

he met in jail. Interestingly, given recent speculation about Pat's sexuality, Nice Pete also attends his support group, implying that the two are quite close.

Serial Killer?

[populartajo]

Todd Todd was also an antagonist character, right Alabaska?

[populartajo]

Ok, we lynch.

Unvote Vote : Alabaska J.

Good night.

[populartajo]

I doubt the existence of another scum. 4 scum in this setup is a little unbalanced. We probably have a serial killer.
I am thinking what this game needs is some massclaiming, am I right?

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No my role pm does not make any mention of drinking.

WTF, So our cop was lying?

[populartajo]

dos, he drank. i investigated him to see if he really had that role or not.

anyway i just want to say i fucking called it. post 145 go read it and see how awesome i am

Yes you did. So who do you think is the SK?

I have a bad feeling about this question.
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OG its impossible our cop was lying. So, does Chris Onstead go to your bar?

[populartajo]

Yep. Pretty awesome or pretty strange.
Alabaska, it should have been hard to post 147, right?

[populartajo]

We should massclaim.

[populartajo]

We should massclaim.

nothing stopping you from going first

Town's agreement, probably?

[populartajo]

two scum teams in a 12 player game sounds fucking dumb. 3 and a serial killer makes way more sense.

hurry up and claim everyone so we can figure this out

Just for the record I don't mind claiming. I have nothing to hide, but how does everyone claiming town really help the town. Seriously, think about it. Nobody is gonna stand up and say, "Uh, hey guys, I'm the last scum.". It's stupid game play and none is that stupid.

@mustafa15: I've been in games where there are goons and no Godfather. An F11 setup has two options like that. I don't know anything about Achewood but the fact that a goon was NK'd leans heavily toward 2 separate scum groups or a SK. I would lean towards a SK of some sort of 3rd party Role.

Flavor is usually a good weapon.

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I can point you to a game I'm currently where flavor can be very misleading.

Note the word usually.
Any other idea, then?

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roleclaims are nice for night action continuity if nothing else. also remember i can checksomeone's flavor over

I agree with this girl. That doesnt mean we stop hunting, though.
We need more Musher. I have a bad feeling about him.

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Prod : Musher, palease.

[populartajo]

I am Philippe's Mother. Vanilla Townie.
Bah. As I thought the majority of the roles left are vanilla townies, besides OG. However, the way we have claimed and our name claims tell us big information of who could be lying and who isnt. A principal character that isnt counterclaimed is pretty much confirmed, IMO.

I did a bit of research to find out whose claim seems more believable. For now, we have.

mustafa15

tina (ray's girlfriend), vanilla townie.

mmmm, not so confirmed @mustafa15 did you research, do you have any acknowledge of the flavor?

populartajo

Philippe's Mother , vanilla townie.

I know Im confirmed

lulu muumuu

molly sanders, vanilla townie.

Pretty much confirmed

Musher333

Cassandra (Roast Beef) (Molly's Boyfriend) Vanilla Townie

I'd like to say confirmed although I dont know if "Molly's boyfriend" was added in your PM. @Musher did you research, do you have any acknowledge of the flavor?

Greasy Spot

I am Teador.

Pretty much confirmed

thinktank

Emiril: Townie.

mmmm, not so confirmed

OG Smokedank

i'm cornelius the bartender, my role is basically cop, every night i get to see if someone is a drinker there or not.

Pretty much confirmed

Ok, so far we should look to these three guys : thinktank, mustafa and Musher. Greasy, lulu and OG have believable claims and they were the first to claim.

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First ones to claim principal character's names. And with no counterclaims. I assume there are more probabilities of having a principal character than a minor one.

[populartajo]

First ones to claim principal character's names. And with no counterclaims. I assume there are more probabilities of having a principal character than a minor one.

this doesnt mean anything, for all we know a principal character could have been given as a fakeclaim

It could but I doubt it.
Do you think lulu, Greasy Spot and OG, asumming one of them is the SK, would claim knowing that there could be another person claiming that principal role?
Geez, its not so hard.

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That logic in quite craptacular indeed. You are making assumptions based on no factual evidence what so ever, the fact that you may use that as an argument to lynch someone is both stupid as well as scummy. Pretty much everything in your "analysis" is based on assumptions with no actual base in reality and are just speculation. Remember, when you assume, you make an ass, out of u and me.

Ok, Einstein, give me another way to get information of this mass claim.

[populartajo]

That logic in quite craptacular indeed. You are making assumptions based on no factual evidence what so ever, the fact that you may use that as an argument to lynch someone is both stupid as well as scummy. Pretty much everything in your "analysis" is based on assumptions with no actual base in reality and are just speculation. Remember, when you assume, you make an ass, out of u and me.

No, you aren't reading what he's saying well enough. Characters like Roast Beef and Teodor are so important to achewood that there is no way that the mod wouldn't have put these characters in the game. If someone claimes Roast Beef and nobody counterclaims, then they must be Roast Beef, and since RB is a protagonist, it is really doubtful that he would be scum, therefore Musher is 90% confirmed innocent.

Also, there are 7 people left, we have all role-claimed. We've pretty much established that Nice Pete is a character, and that he is the sk. Also, Lyle hasn't been claimed yet, and I would assume that he would be in the game. I could definetly see him as scum, he's on the same level of dickiness (dickyness? dickieness?) as Todd was, so I think that this is a likely scenario.

While I know you'd like to confirm yourself, populartajo, your role is small enough that it could be a very good fake claim, especially considering that she is the only claimed character that doesn't live near ray *raises eyebrows*. This certainly isn't lynch-worthy evidence, but you are nowhere near confirmed.

Therefore, the people that I would say aren't confirmed are me, populartajo, and thinktank. I would say that thinktank is the choice for today, the post I quoted above seems pretty darn defensive, and emiril is a pretty unlikely character (I realize that this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black, but whatever)

vote:thinktank

I like this post. I wrote in my post that I was confirmed because I know Im town. Im glad you understand my point and I agree that thinktank's role, as yours and mine, are a little off. I thought it was a good way to start decent conversation and scumhunting.
Im going to vote thinktank unless he gives me a good damn reason for not to.

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support for a "good name" theory is that alabaska had a fakeclaim that wasnt in the game, he could have gotten lucky guessing but i doubt it

Do you realize that he actually claimed Cipher's (scum) role?

[populartajo]

Call me dumb but I dont get how people can think OG is faking her claim. She basically claimed cop knowing there could be a conterclaim. Thats a bad play for a SK.
OG Smokedank. Lulu. Greasy and Musher. 90% confirmed. Nuff said.
Mustafa is making too sense for my taste, lol, he got it totally, but I agree with his last post except the part where there are two scum groups or a Godfather. Dont you think this would be a little unbalanced for town? I think a SK makes more sense with last night results and the flavor of Achewood. Thinktank has dissapointed me BTW.

Vote: thinktank

Thats L-1.
Dont hammer him yet. Let him speak.

[populartajo]

Thintank get your ass here, ok?

Unvote

It prob will come back, dont feel too safe, but I think we all need to talk more about this OG situation.

lulu, there's no reason to believe Alabaska. I know we can get conclusions of his play but that doesnt mean he always had to be telling the truth.

Anyways Im rereading the game and Ive had this same feeling against OG, if you feel better. It seems too dangerous to claim "cop" as a SK but her "gut" is just simply amazing. I share that feeling that she maybe knows more than us and that she isnt telling us everything.

1. She has been against demonking, alabaska ALL the game since her first post.
2. She has caught three scum in this post.

i think you are scum, alabaska j is scum and if i had to pick a third scum i'd go with lemming based on gut
again i will bold this: both alabaska j and malthius are MAKING SHIT UP to get you to vote me, neither one has actually given truthful reasons for why i am scummy

Wow, simply wow.

However Musher, PbUG and DOS also attacked her for the same reasons, yet I dont see any post where they could be scum. The best part is where she calls PbUg and illiterate and that he should quit mafia and where musher can suck a big dick (sic). This post should bring more light.

musher33 has also thrown a vote on me because i'm swearing and insulting people. well he can suck a big dick because thats a stupid reason to lynch someone unless swearing and insulting is a scumtell here. musher who do you think is SCUM and not just rude?

pbug i think is town. he has pushed for me with reasoning that again has little to do with what my alignment might be and more to do with my playskill but he has pushed with conviction and genuinely seems to be scumhunting.

hopefully if i get lynched he will start hounding alabaska/malthisus/lemming.

This was a post before she was almost lynched and before she suggested that she could claim.

BONUS FACT : She didnt mention Lemming or Cipher for all D2.

3. The drinking/not drinking thing is pretty much a weird thing.
OG told us Alabaska didnt drink but he suggested he indeed drank. No problm here, becuase I believe Alabaska was lying here. The problem here is that she went from "basically cop" to "flavor investigator".
DOS drank according OG, but our cop told us that his PM didnt mention drinking. This is an interesting point that OG has failed explaining (why would Chris Onstead go to your bar?) but I guess its OK for her as "possible cop" to "confirm" another one.

Lulu, my point is this, assuming she knew the allignments, why would a SK or another mafioso tell us all this information about scum in D1 and before her claim?

The only possible reason is that she's town knowing more than she should or that she's simply awesome.

[populartajo]

where did we get the conclusion that there were two different scum groups?

[populartajo]

OG, what is your role name?

read the fucking thread

You have said both that your pm says that you are a cop, and that it implies that you are a cop. Does it actually say cop in it, or does it have some other name?

In other words, what is the name of your role?

[populartajo]

where did we get the conclusion that there were two different scum groups?

Two people died in the same night, one of them was scum, and nobody claimed a killing role.

SKs are considered a scum group?

[populartajo]

Mod Prod : Greasy Spot, Musher, Thinktank.

We need to lynch someone to prove my theory. If Emeril is indeed in this game and is town, then we should find another way to catch scum. For now, between mustafa15 and thinktank, secondary characters like me, I still thinktank is the scummiest.
OG is not material for lynch today. She should investigate either me or mustafa15. Id suggest mustafa, maybe Musher, but you are free to investigate whoever you want.
Nuff said.

[populartajo]

Generally there aren't two cops in a game, especially if the setup is one scum group + SK. So likely the options are that either OG is lying and is SK/godfather or there are two cops in this game and we need to consider the other aspects of the game. So the question really is, do you believe OG's claim? So far its been fairly accurate so is there reason to doubt it?

Deeply unimpresed.

Vote : thinktank

[populartajo]

OG I hope you have insvestigated someone alive. Results, please.
Ok, we're 5. We only have one scum to go (only one nightkill), 90% sure is a SK.
Im still wondering why OG is still alive.
I think I may know who is the SK but I need to reread first to prove my theory.

[populartajo]

lulu muumuu drinks.

Why lulu huh?

[populartajo]

OG why didnt you investigate mustafa or me?

[populartajo]

I'm Teador - townie

whats your role? "townie" isnt helpful at all. are you vanilla or what.

agreed. this is

exactly

what he claimed last time.

as for why PT is questioning OG's choice of investigation target, for OG, whether she's SK or not, i'm thinking it's because OG is my #1 suspect. for everyone else, i think it's because populartajo claims his character is one of the more obscure ones in the comic, and maybe more worthy of an investigation. i would expect musher's claim of roast beef and greasy's claim of teodor to be in the game, considering they're main characters.

We have arrived to the conclusion that secondary characters like Emeril and Tina are in this game and are vanilla townies, therefore my yesterday's theory should be discarded.
I am Philippe's Mother, vanilla townie.
The thing that still bothers me is why the hell OG is still alive?
And I undertand why OG investigated lulu but if she agreed with everything we said yesterday (she voted for thinktank) then why investigate a person that was pretty much confirmed?

REASONS OG IS ALIVE.
a)The SK left is OG and has fucked up with our minds since D1. (I doubt it but hey you never know)
b)The SK knows there is a doctor in town and therefore didnt go with the obvious protection target : OG.

Taking in count this Im pretty sure we can win this game. But we need to be 100% sure of one thing. Is OG a trustworthy cop?

Lulu, do you drink?

[populartajo]

I think Musher is the SK. He speculated with you, lulu, too much about a possible doctor.

[populartajo]

RL issues, will post ASAP. Posting this in all my games.

[populartajo]

arg i still want to lynch OG. someone tell me why it's a bad idea

Tell me why you dont want to lynch Greasy or Musher.
We have already stated that OG claiming at the beginning of the game is such a bad play as scum taking in count she claimed Cornelius the Bartender, a character that seems pretty protown IMO and easy to counterclaim.
I must agree that this flavor cop situation seems a little off but at least she has confirmed you, lulu. Right?

[populartajo]

OG results and possible motivations.

Alasbaka. Didnt drink. Scum. Reason : He went hard against OG.
DOS. Did drink. Cop. Reason : Another possible cop.
Lulu. Does drink. Prob town. Reason : The only one that still suspects OG.

I guess these results and motivations are pretty accurate for a fake claim, dont you think?

The play is either Musher or Greasy.

[populartajo]

And I dont see how a claimed doc can change things, do you?

[populartajo]

Bump.
About why I want to lynch either Greasy or Musher becuase 1)I think OG is flavor cop, 2)she got from you an "innocent" investigation 3)I know Im town.
It's very hard though when we dont hear anything new from Musher or Greasy.
The thing is that the SK assumes there is a doc, thats why they didnt kill OG, therefore Im more suspicious of Musher that commented with lulu the existence of a doctor.
Lulu tell me how you plan to win with a doc claim. I still dont see it.

[populartajo]

Why did she use anoher account?

[populartajo]

Still with the swearing i see....

Nothing to comment about her accusations?

[populartajo]

Mod: could you replace OG Smokedank?

[populartajo]

i hope you get the insurance money, OG.

PT are you still unconvinced?

Why do you think there is a doctor and at the same time think that OG is the SK? Dont these thoughts contradict themselves?
.....
Musher, who is the SK for you?

[populartajo]

OG why are you posting from another account?

[populartajo]

OG is an alt, right?

[populartajo]

of all the claims presented i find populartajo's least believable. roast beef seems like the main character so it makes sense that hed be in here. teodor seems to be a pretty big character, so does molly (who is beef's gf) and so does cornelius. "phillipe's mother" doesnt fit at all compared to these four major characters. i am curious as to what your flavor reads populartajo

Do you realize who die yesterday?

[populartajo]

Fine. I lied. Im the doctor.

[populartajo]

I targeted everytime OG.

[populartajo]

Even if I protected her I wanted to see if I was really protecting a townie. I wanted to see how did she (and prob others)reacted to the pressure "Why are you still alive?". I still have doubts about her (flavor cop seems an strange role) but we have to look at the context of her claim and see that its a terrible play for scum to claim early that role. She even had the flavor of the role. Which gives me an idea.
Musher, Greasy, lulu whats the flavor of your role?

[populartajo]

LOL at Musher and silly me for not thinking this before.
Greasy already shared his flavor right? Can we make a recapitulation of everyone's flavor? (paraphrase)
Populartajo --> I am The Rabbit Ambulance. I transport and take care of injured animals and use some shit of principles of hopping for moving.
I may protect one player and I win when only the town is alive.

[populartajo]

Musher?

[populartajo]

Musher, mmmm, let me think about that claim.
OG can you paraphrase your flavor?

[populartajo]

So far.

Musher --> I am Roast Beef, i am a vanilla townie who likes to drink Guinness.
I win when all threats to the town are stopped or there comes a time where this is inevitable.

Greasy --> I am Teador. I smoke dope and watch youtube videos. I win with town.

Molly --> i'm molly sanders; given that i'm dead and just an applebees waitress, i don't have much else to contribute other than a vanilla function. i win when only townies are left

Populartajo --> I am The Rabbit Ambulance. I transport and take care of injured animals and use some shit of principles of hopping for moving.
I may protect one player and I win when only the town is alive.

Waiting for OG -->


a)Im interested in the win conditions. Who paraphrased it and who didnt?

b)Musher's seems a little elaborated. And why did you change it?

c) Greasy Spot, who is the SK?

[populartajo]

We lynch Musher today and if he comes up town we evaluate things with new results.

[populartajo]

Ill let lulu answer but Greasy, do you think she's scum even with OG results?

[populartajo]

Greasy are you reading the game? OG claime bartender and she told us that lulu drank like DoS and not like Alabaska.

At this moment I think that we can win this game IF AND ONLY IF we think OG is sort of a believable cop. We only have one scum to go, Im the doc and I can protect OG one more night for one more result in LyLo obviously between Greasy and Musher.
...........
Now the only thing we need to know is that i we can trust OG's result and proceed that way.

[populartajo]

EBWOP

in case you didn't get it, i was all for an alabaska lynch that day when mustafa said we should investigate alabaska that night. hence my "distaste" for the plan of investigating alabaska

the night after his lynch

.

@PT you really bought that?

Thats why I asked him if he still posted that knowing the results.

[populartajo]

oh finally before i head out, populartajo how do your protections work? can you protect the same person every night? can you protect yourself? i ask because i've never played a game where the doctor could do both and am curious

Where did I say that I protected myself?
I protected you every night. That explains why you werent killed D1, why Alabaska was impressed when you were alive and why you're still alive right now.
So here's the plan.
We lynch Musher or Greasy.
One of them is the SK and we win.
Or one of them isnt the Sk and I die tonight. OG investigates the other, you lynch him tomorrow and we win.
Am I wrong?

[populartajo]

link me to those places OG.

[populartajo]

You already know who to investigate OG. Dont investigate me. Im dying tonight. Investigate Greasy.

[populartajo]

Shut up OG I won this game for you.