Mini 617 - Scottish Mafia, Game Over

[Empking]

Erratus Apathos

If that was your reason surely you'd at least FOS everyone else without an avatar.

[Empking]

Vote: Erratus Apathos

If dcorbe is right then you gave a lieing reason for your vote.

[Empking]

Unvote Vote: Lowell

[Empking]

Aw you ruined it.

[Empking]

Massive, you can't just change the number of posts per page and then expect us to follow your PPP.

[Empking]

Unvote

dcorbe, he made a bandwagon didn't seem to think their was anything wrong with that bandwagon but then just abandoned it.

When he was asked to give reasons he refused but then started to pretend that he did give reasons.

I don't think his completely terriable vote is reason to lynch him, but he acted like it was a propper vote with solid reasoning. Which it wasn't.

Vote: dcorbe

[Empking]

I find it hard to believe that you'd ask to be replaced just because you can't swear. I still think Dcorbe is more likely and that the original argument was terrible, absolutely terrible, but he quickly rose on my scumdar.

[Empking]

I didn't vote for him because I thought Dcorbe was more likely. Everyone in town isn't one giant hive mind with the same ideas and the same reads. Rereading the thread during the night I now think Dcorbe is innocent. I didn't at the time.


Cephir, I don't understand your point. Sorry.

[Empking]

Since he unvoted I wouldn't call him the attacker. Yes he bought up the points but he didn't have the firm beleif in them that others had.

I also fail to see why someone who is bringing up points should be immune from being a suspect, just in case the bandwagon might lead to scum.

[Empking]

So if I do it, its vote worthy but if someone else does it, its a null tell?

[Empking]

Please can you give me something more that just I need to explain.

We are not just one hive mind, as a member of the town I shouldn't just follow the bandwagon, I should write what I think is best for the town. Yes, I didn't go on the bandwagon. I feel that jumping ship is a bigger scum tell then presuming that their are three scum.

Yesterday I would've been torn between Dcorbe or Kuribo. But after reading through the thread last night I'm going to go for.

Vote: Kuribo

[Empking]

The three scum thing isn't a scum tell. We got lucky.

[Empking]

Kuribo seemed strongly in beleif that EA was scummed yet wouldn't vote for him. That has not been disproven.

All the points aren't find and reasonble. The points were based on the town forgetting that the doc got himself killed. Though I've hinted previously.

I'm the cop and Dcorbe was investigated as innocent.

[Empking]

I don't care whether or not you've tried to disprove it. I care about the fact that your side said you had disproved it.

[Empking]

I don't care whether or not you've tried to disprove it. I care about the fact that your side said you had disproved it.

When did I ever say that I had voted for him? I said that I kept up pressure in questioning him, which I did, evidenced by the curse-laden tirade that he saw fit to direct towards me.

Don't ask me, it was the "get Empking to claim despite the fact that the Doc decided to get himself killed" side that said it was disproven.

[Empking]

I know why I'm making them. Because your side is lying to try and get me lynched and I don't feel they should be uncontested.

[Empking]

You know I meant the "get Empking to claim despite the fact that the Doc decided to get himself killed" side

I'm not taking it personally at all. But I'm sure not wanting you and your scum buddies to get away with lies is reason enough for you to pretend I'm just taking it to personal.

[Empking]

Which is better than your "He has his own views" and your "he didn't lynch the scum before we had a chance to see bonds."

[Empking]

Yes it is.. I just really loose my grasp of the language when typing.

You didn't, but personally I don't feel that on day 1 when he's constantly attacked as soon as we leave the random voting stage isn't enough time.

[Empking]

I meant is enough time.

[Empking]

"get Empking to claim despite the fact that the Doc decided to get himself killed"

you

do

realize that not even the scum would have known what you would claim , right? (Hypothetically assuming he's telling the truth)

but your last few posts (all of your posts on this page) make very little sense.

This.

Why would the scum know what I'd claim?

[Empking]

When did I say everyone who wanted me to claim was scum?

That's L-1 I believe. Claim or die time.

I like the Empking wagon, all the points made against him seem valid and resonable... I'll wait for his claim before I do anything though.

Do you deny these quotes?

[Empking]

When did I say everyone on my wagon was scum?

[Empking]

When did I say everyone on my wagon was scum?,

[Empking]

When did i say everyone on my wagon was scum?

I know you two aren't a group of idiots that beleive that their can't be a split in opinion between town.

[Empking]

1) Because they won't answer my points and instead show two (seemingly) random quotes.

2) Show me where I said otherwise.

[Empking]

In every disagreement town take sides.

They're not always on the same side with scum on the other side.

In this argument their are those that wanted me to claim and me. With my side being free of scum while your side is a mix of scum.

If your just going to write nonsense and back yourselves up by pretending its not nonsense there's not much I can do.

[Empking]

Good.

Then we get back to. When did i say everyone on my wagon was scum?

When did I say the scum knew my role?

[Empking]

You still wanted me to claim. That's all that quote was there to show.

[Empking]

All you've quoted me on is that a feel that a side (of the players a mix of scum and town) wanted me to claim. That's not the same as everyone on my wagon was scum.

I don't feel claims are useful when the doc is dead.

[Empking]

Fine.

[Empking]

I'm happy with the kuribo vote.

What's the reasons against q21?

Maybe the lack of activity has something to do with the lack of vote counts. Joke.

[Empking]

Reading Roflcopter's last post I don't think he's scum but I wouldn't want a q21 lynch.

[Empking]

I want a Kuribo lynch and all you have on q21 is that he thought dcorbe was more scummy tha EA.

[Empking]

1) I don't think you could've expected that that would lead to his lynch.

2) I don't think you could've expected his lynch.

3) I don't think you could've expected that.

[Empking]

No it isn't.

[Empking]

Well when you're scum it can be used to distance. It can be used to get people out of their comfort zones. It can get people to tell you their opinions. It can be used to see other peoples reactions ect.

[Empking]

Yes, if getting a scum made you immune from getting lynched, all the scum would be doing it.

Kuribo, you forget Dcorbe was the one to notice the three scum thing, dcorbe was the one who put pressure on EA Dcorbe was the one who drew attention on him.

[Empking]

So do you think that Dcorbe is scum or just town making something up?

[Empking]

So do you think that Dcorbe is scum or just town making something up?

This is a very strange comment from a claimed cop who revealed dcorbe as town.

Also, it been rather a long time since we heard anything from dcorbe.

MOD: Can you prod dcorbe please.

As the cop who scried him as innocent, I found both answers absurd but I couldn't work out any other answers and I just didn't want to presume Kuribo thought Dcorbe was town making something up.

I got the information I wanted from that question and I'm 100% commited to a kuribo lynch.

[Empking]

yeaa, umm unless your a cop, or some other investigative role (or a scum partner) you can never be 100% sure of someone else being scum. Its just not plausible.

I am a cop

I'll drag out my 100% I'm keeping my vote on Kuribo vote soon.

[Empking]

So do you think that Dcorbe is scum or just town making something up?

That's a dumb question, since you said you cleared him.

I don't think either of those is the case, I think he was wrong. Not making it up intentionally, just incorrect.

I found the fact that he thinks Dcorbe was just incorrect too absurd.

[Empking]

No I'm not. Iit was just a little joke.

[Empking]

So do you think that Dcorbe is scum or just town making something up?

That's a dumb question, since you said you cleared him.

I don't think either of those is the case, I think he was wrong. Not making it up intentionally, just incorrect.

I found the fact that he thinks Dcorbe was just incorrect too absurd.

That's the stupidest thing I've ever read. And I've read James Patterson books.

You offered me two options: He's either scum, or town making stuff up.

You have an innocent investigation, therefore he's not scum. (Unless you're lying)

It doesn't HAVE to be A) dcorbe's lying town, or B) dcorbe's scum. It can be C) dcorbe is a townie who was wrong about some things. Hell, it could be

You mean lying

D) dcorbe has mental disorders,

you mean lying

or even E) you're lying.

What difference does that make

You are easily the scummiest player in the game. Lucky for you, you're an uncounterclaimed cop.

Empking, I'm tired of arguing with you. You make absolutely no sense, you have no good reason for voting me, and any reasoning you may have will likely be as incoherent as the rest of your posts.

I was majorly responsible for finding scum, and if this town wants to be dumb and lynch me for it, go right ahead. If Empking survives the night, lynch him, and then dcorbe. If Empking is really the cop, then keep an eye on massive, because he just jumped right into a pointless bandwagon.

Only you're the only one saying your responsible for the lynch. Also note how he says he makes plans for the future not taking in account that I can be lynched and still be a cop.

And before anyone calls this post "emotional," keep in mind that I've spent most of day 2 defending myself from POINTLESS NON-ARGUMENTS THAT BARELY PASS FOR ENGLISH.

[Empking]

I'm not making plans for the future, I said if you're not the cop, that means you're lying and should be lynched.

No you didn't

I didn't say lynch the cop.

Where did I say you did

let me spell it out for you:

THERE ARE OTHER EXPLANATIONS FOR DCORBE TO BE WRONG ASIDE FROM HIM BEING SCUM. HE CAN SIMPLY BE WRONG.

If he's wrong he's lying

YOU MAY NOT BE SCUM, BUT YOU ARE CERTAINLY WRONG.

(and bad at mafia)

Kuribo has been lying far too much to be town.[/b]

[Empking]

I'm not making plans for the future, I said if you're not the cop, that means you're lying and should be lynched.
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Their for instance.

[Empking]

So do you think that Dcorbe is scum or just town making something up?

That's a dumb question, since you said you cleared him.

I don't think either of those is the case, I think he was wrong. Not making it up intentionally, just incorrect.

I found the fact that he thinks Dcorbe was just incorrect too absurd.

That's the stupidest thing I've ever read. And I've read James Patterson books.

You offered me two options: He's either scum, or town making stuff up.

You have an innocent investigation, therefore he's not scum. (Unless you're lying)

It doesn't HAVE to be A) dcorbe's lying town, or B) dcorbe's scum. It can be C) dcorbe is a townie who was wrong about some things. Hell, it could be D) dcorbe has mental disorders, or even E) you're lying.

You are easily the scummiest player in the game. Lucky for you, you're an uncounterclaimed cop.

Empking, I'm tired of arguing with you. You make absolutely no sense, you have no good reason for voting me, and any reasoning you may have will likely be as incoherent as the rest of your posts.

I was majorly responsible for finding scum, and if this town wants to be dumb and lynch me for it, go right ahead. If Empking survives the night, lynch him, and then dcorbe. If Empking is really the cop, then keep an eye on massive, because he just jumped right into a pointless bandwagon.

And before anyone calls this post "emotional," keep in mind that I've spent most of day 2 defending myself from POINTLESS NON-ARGUMENTS THAT BARELY PASS FOR ENGLISH.

You didn't say that in the quote, so I guess that's another lie.

If you don't think its a lie show me where you said "if you're not the cop, that means you're lying and should be lynched." or anything of that effect.

Also

So do you think that Dcorbe is scum or just town making something up?

That's a dumb question, since you said you cleared him.

I don't think either of those is the case, I think he was wrong. Not making it up intentionally, just incorrect.

I found the fact that he thinks Dcorbe was just incorrect too absurd.

That's the stupidest thing I've ever read. And I've read James Patterson books.

You offered me two options: He's either scum, or town making stuff up.

You have an innocent investigation, therefore he's not scum. (Unless you're lying)

It doesn't HAVE to be A) dcorbe's lying town, or B) dcorbe's scum. It can be C) dcorbe is a townie who was wrong about some things. Hell, it could be D) dcorbe has mental disorders, or even E) you're lying.

You are easily the scummiest player in the game. Lucky for you, you're an uncounterclaimed cop.

Empking, I'm tired of arguing with you. You make absolutely no sense, you have no good reason for voting me, and any reasoning you may have will likely be as incoherent as the rest of your posts.

I was majorly responsible for finding scum, and if this town wants to be dumb and lynch me for it, go right ahead.

If Empking survives the night, lynch him, and then dcorbe.

If Empking is really the cop, then keep an eye on massive, because he just jumped right into a pointless bandwagon.

And before anyone calls this post "emotional," keep in mind that I've spent most of day 2 defending myself from POINTLESS NON-ARGUMENTS THAT BARELY PASS FOR ENGLISH.

I bolded your plans for the future.

[Empking]

Oh, gee, I'm sorry, "Lynch Empking if he's lying about being a cop," is absolutely the worst play ever.


You won't survive the night--- scum aren't going to let an uncounter-claimed cop live to investigate them. If you do, it's because you're lying about being the cop. If you're lying you should be lynched. IT'S ELEMENTARY.

YOU ARE THE WORST MAFIA PLAYER EVER.


in fact, you know what, if it speeds this game along,

LYNCH ME. I'M SCUM. GET ME OUT OF THIS GAME.

unvote, vote kuribo

DUMBEST TOWN EVER.

But lynching Dcorbe before seeing what I turned up as?

[Empking]

So do you think that Dcorbe is scum or just town making something up?

That's a dumb question, since you said you cleared him.

I don't think either of those is the case, I think he was wrong. Not making it up intentionally, just incorrect.

I found the fact that he thinks Dcorbe was just incorrect too absurd.

That's the stupidest thing I've ever read. And I've read James Patterson books.

You offered me two options: He's either scum, or town making stuff up.

You have an innocent investigation, therefore he's not scum. (Unless you're lying)

It doesn't HAVE to be A) dcorbe's lying town, or B) dcorbe's scum. It can be C) dcorbe is a townie who was wrong about some things. Hell, it could be D) dcorbe has mental disorders, or even E) you're lying.

You are easily the scummiest player in the game. Lucky for you, you're an uncounterclaimed cop.

Empking, I'm tired of arguing with you. You make absolutely no sense, you have no good reason for voting me, and any reasoning you may have will likely be as incoherent as the rest of your posts.

I was majorly responsible for finding scum, and if this town wants to be dumb and lynch me for it, go right ahead. If Empking survives the night,

lynch him, and then dcorbe.

If Empking is really the cop, then keep an eye on massive, because he just jumped right into a pointless bandwagon.

And before anyone calls this post "emotional," keep in mind that I've spent most of day 2 defending myself from POINTLESS NON-ARGUMENTS THAT BARELY PASS FOR ENGLISH.

You most definately did say that.

[Empking]

I investigated Cephrir. I didn't get a reply.

[Empking]

Just got the reply. I got no result.

[Empking]

Vote: Mirth

for seriously moaning about a random vote's poor logic. (I'm too much ant-swear to actually write the actual phrase.)

[Empking]

I forgot you Dcorbe (I hate replacements)

Unvote

[Empking]

Hey what happenned to ignoring my posts?

Most people "justify" their random votes.

[Empking]

Vote: Lowell

It look like its between him and q21, I know I'm pro-town and I was afraid of godfathers so it can only Be lowell. I also agree with mirth's logic.

[Empking]

People have voted for q21

If you don't want to people to have their views effected by your analysis, don't post in the thread.

[Empking]

I'd probably put the concern about godfather at a null tell but definately not a scum tell.

Mirth, I saw your point of view, researched it and saw that it was the best lead we had. That's all the testing I need.

I have to say, I haven't found Massive's posts not bringing anything new. I'd say that out of the players alive, he bought the most new things. At least on day two.

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It look like its between him and q21, I know I'm pro-town and I was afraid of godfathers so it can only Be lowell. I also agree with mirth's logic.

It's not just between q21 and lowell. Points have been made against rofl and massive as well. Massive was being just as scummy as lowell, he just didn't perform that suspicious hammer.

But they were thew only two with votes.

Mod:

If You can anwer this. Would the cop get a result of no result if his victim was killed?

(I used "the cop" so the mod wouldn't not answer the question for fear of confirming me.)

[Empking]

They were the only two with votes. So they were the only two I said it was between.

But I do like one of the bandwagons so I don't see a reason to start one on someone I don't find as scummy as Lowell.

[Empking]

Mod:

If You can anwer this. Would the cop get a result of no result if his victim was killed?

(I used "the cop" so the mod wouldn't not answer the question for fear of confirming me.)[/quote]

Lowell: You hadn't mentioned that in the quote.

[Empking]

Just reread your post Lowell, you said probably, not certainly. My bad, but still - what more are we likely to know by tomorrow?

If I don't die and don't scry the mafia's target. We can see if I get a result.

[Empking]

Seeing that I just read my role PM and I'm in a real crisis about whether or not my results can be trusted to give us scum or not.

[Empking]

ok I'm here

Just read this page and the whole "godfather" thing is pointless. If the scum have one then so be it, we'll have to catch that person through their playing style and not through cop investigations.

Mirth- your question to lowell about pulling the "frame the cop" this seems like a ploy to throw attention onto another person and away from himself.

Away from Mirth?

Cop investigations- there never 100% unless your in a newbie game, then it is usually stated that cop has normal sanity, everywhere else their sanity could be anything. But until yuo figure out what sanity the cop is, you have to believe what they tell you because atleast its getting you somewhere.

Roleblocker- If we the town have both a cop(unconfirmed) and doc(who is confirmed) then it would probably be reasonable to think the mafia have a roleblocker. They may not but then again its just like the godfather, we'll have to go on play style and slip ups instead of the cop investigations (which would probly be roleblocked)

[Empking]

Just wanted to make sure.

[Empking]

Isn't Cyb dead? Unless we're thinking of different ones.

[Empking]

Hi. I'm here, and I've been reading. Since I've been gone most of the day the last thing i've read is post 436.

Just reread your post Lowell, you said probably, not certainly. My bad, but still - what more are we likely to know by tomorrow?

If I don't die and don't scry the mafia's target. We can see if I get a result.

This isn't necessarily certain either. The roleblocker could just as well take a break for one night just to cast suspicion on you, couldn't he?

True.

[Empking]

You'd say they were the two main pushers for a Kuribo lynch?

[Empking]

None taken.

I really don't think we're going to budge on this lynch and I don't want this game to go that way.

Roflcopter, do you really think mentioning the possibility of a godfather is that good of a scum tell.

[Empking]

Vote; Lowell.

[Empking]

You're accusing dcorbe of destroying a wagon, despite there being many other people on it. If you cared about that wagon, YOU WOULD HAVE PURSUED IT. Instead you pursue someone else, avoid the wagon, and blame dcorbe for the whole thing.

Except he wasn't. He was picking a fight with dcorbe who accused him of derailing a wagon by not joining it.

I don't like Emp's vote right now. It shows hes obviously not paying attention to the game. (He both didn't realize that his vote was a) already on Lowell, and b) that Lowell is at L1.)

I was trying to do the old, try and get an admittance of guilt by pretending to hammer. It didn't work but I didn't see a reason not to do it.

[Empking]

I don't see why it'd matter if I did it before a claim.

[Empking]

Well I didn't admit guilt and am therefore innocent. Can you unvote now?

Was that a joke?

[Empking]

Please someone hammer.

[Empking]

My hurry is, you won't claim. I don't think your even trying to convince us of your innocence.

[Empking]

I don't like how the attention suddenly went off Lowell and I really dislike how it seems like he'll be saved because he won't claim.

[Empking]

If he almost got you there, you must be scum.

Cybele, I'd consider your rereading time a bit more than a moment.

[Empking]

What is the casev on q21?

[Empking]

He gave a reason for why he thought I was the least scummy.

[Empking]

Why do you think he's scum?

[Empking]

I'd preffer a Lowell lynch but if needed I'll hammer.

[Empking]

In 24 hours regardless whether or not he answers the question, I think I'm going to hammer.

[Empking]

unvote Vote:CoheedCambria09

[Empking]

I got no result again.

[Empking]

So swe're on lynch or lose.

My thoughts are basicly ther oppisite of lowells.

[Empking]

Yes, that's where my suspicion lies.

[Empking]

Well, since no one seems to be making progress ... I guess I'll pick up my reread where I left off.

I still want an answer to my question for

roflcopter

in [617].

q21, roflcopter, and Lowell all probably should get scumpoints for their votes for kuribo in retrospect. Lowell probably less than the other two, as he at least remembers that EA had a similar temper tantrum when caught as scum, AND had asked questions of kuribo leading up to the lynch. But q21 and rofl seem to stay away from it (both intimating that they are against a kuribo lynch) until he "claims" ... and then they vote for him. Relevant posts: [317-343].

Day 3 (?): q21 buddies Mirth and follows her onto Lowell. Mirth calls him on it. She kinda drops it though.

[388]:

roflcopter

(again): If by virtue of the EA bandwagon, dcorbe and kuribo were "obviously not scum," how was it you came to believe his "claim" as scum during his lynch?

[392]: Mirth points out that blocking Emp / killing Cephrir (again) (over killing either Emp or dcorbe/his replacement) makes little strategic sense for the Mafia. Can anything useful be gleaned from this observation?

Same goes for the godfather discussion that happens right around here. We should probably look at that in light of Mirth/dcorbe actually NOT being the godfather.

[408]:

Lowell

, how do you feel about the likelihood of a Mafia roleblocker now?

[413]: q21 brings up Emp's sanity as another "questionable" that shouldn't be assumed. I can't see any reason to assume Emp's sanity would be anything other than "straight", simply because why would the Mafia roleblock him if dcorbe WASN'T town? The Mafia was assuming that Empking was a true cop. Why wouldn't q21?

[424]: Lowell continues to believe that there is no Mafia roleblocker.

[439]:

Empking

: You mention that you might not be reliable in finding scum but don't clarify, which is fine for yesterday. Now we're in LYLO, can you maybe be more specific?

Still not sure how Lowell avoided a roleclaim in posts [480-500].

That's my thoughts through today. Any discussions you guys want to have?

My role doesn't say I find mafia, scum or bad guy but rather uses other descriptive words.