Mini Theme 2412: Gacha Mafia

Hoctac · Post Post #21 (isolation #0) » Mon May 18, 2020 3:39 pm

Innocent younglings! Surely not capable of murder.

Hoctac · Post Post #22 (isolation #1) » Mon May 18, 2020 3:40 pm

HURT: DoctarPepper

I throw a snowball at DoctarPepper.

Hoctac · Post Post #23 (isolation #2) » Mon May 18, 2020 3:41 pm

Does anyone know if scum have daychat? I looked through the rules but couldn't find it. I'd rather not hassle the mod.

Hoctac · Post Post #26 (isolation #3) » Mon May 18, 2020 3:46 pm

I recommend not voting tbh since a lynch before distribution would be slightly bad. Use the hurt tags to represent votes.

My card egg is extremely powerful and I kinda want to keep it for myself.

I think we should play normally without claiming eggs for a bit, and then claim them after a couple of days. Since knowing which eggs certain players have may make us treat each other different (buddying people who have good stuff).

Hoctac · Post Post #27 (isolation #4) » Mon May 18, 2020 3:51 pm

It's okay, Isis; I will keep my own hurt count. Only for my own vote though, everyone else should keep track of theirs.

DoctarCola (1) - Hoctac

Hoctac · Post Post #31 (isolation #5) » Mon May 18, 2020 4:05 pm

I hope you appreciated that.

Do we know how many scum are in the game? Are we just playing under the assumption it's 1 to 3?
What if it's 4 and we're in LyLo today? I'd rather know about such a detail.

Hoctac · Post Post #34 (isolation #6) » Mon May 18, 2020 4:07 pm

Or what if it's 0 and Isis trolls us by just modkills people she dislikes every night, while we grow more and more paranoid about everyone feeling too towny? I could see her doing that.

Hoctac · Post Post #40 (isolation #7) » Mon May 18, 2020 4:41 pm

I wouldn't want to annoy you! What schtick?

Hoctac · Post Post #42 (isolation #8) » Mon May 18, 2020 4:46 pm

Good point...

Town points to Misty.

Hoctac · Post Post #44 (isolation #9) » Mon May 18, 2020 4:48 pm

You got anything good, Pigman? I'm willing to trade.

Hoctac · Post Post #46 (isolation #10) » Mon May 18, 2020 4:49 pm

Hoctac · Post Post #50 (isolation #11) » Mon May 18, 2020 4:52 pm

What do you need help with? If you have a N1 bulletproof Amberjack dragging you down, I could probably help you with that.

Hoctac · Post Post #56 (isolation #12) » Mon May 18, 2020 4:57 pm

What you confused about, Pigman?

The flavour is taken from the extremely popular blockbuster game, Puzzles and Dragons.

Hoctac · Post Post #58 (isolation #13) » Mon May 18, 2020 5:08 pm

Spoiler: Crumb. DO NOT OPEN.

Hoctac · Post Post #61 (isolation #14) » Mon May 18, 2020 5:35 pm

ur scum

Hoctac · Post Post #63 (isolation #15) » Mon May 18, 2020 6:37 pm

Aww, that's a really fun one

Hoctac · Post Post #64 (isolation #16) » Mon May 18, 2020 6:38 pm

I propose a deal: If you (anyone out there) has Uriel and throws it at me, I promise to neighbourise you on night 1.

Hoctac · Post Post #66 (isolation #17) » Mon May 18, 2020 6:44 pm

Oh wait, you're Donnie Brasco. It's an honour to meet you again.

Agreed btw

Hoctac · Post Post #68 (isolation #18) » Mon May 18, 2020 6:55 pm

I guess that makes sense, but there's certain cards you want to give to more/less scumread players. You want to give N1 BP to the consensus town, and you want to give day talk deactivator/bodyguard to scumreads.

We could just play normally for a bit first and see how things develop, Donnie.

Hoctac · Post Post #69 (isolation #19) » Mon May 18, 2020 6:56 pm

I'll start us off: I found it odd that Titus was annoyed by me messing around but then started joking around with Pigman straight after.

Hoctac · Post Post #72 (isolation #20) » Mon May 18, 2020 6:58 pm

I don't get it, what do you mean?

Hoctac · Post Post #75 (isolation #21) » Mon May 18, 2020 7:13 pm

I suppose I could be convinced if someone wanted to throw Amberjack at me.

Hoctac · Post Post #76 (isolation #22) » Mon May 18, 2020 7:14 pm

If you're Uriel, we could form an early townbloc though. Just consider all the possibilities.

Hoctac · Post Post #77 (isolation #23) » Mon May 18, 2020 7:24 pm

In post 25, Isis wrote:
Votecount 1.1clidd'-------------
Hoctac-----------
Elena Fisher----- (1) Dunnstral
Dunnstral--------
Elements.--------
Chemist1422----
DoctorPepper'---
Pigman----------
Titus------------- (1) DoctorPepper

Not voting (7): clidd, Hoctac, Elena Fisher, Elements, Chemist1422, Pigman, Titus

Gacha distribution status(.:.) clidd - [X]
(.:.) Hoctac - [X]
(.:.) Elena Fisher - [X]
(.:.) Dunnstral - [X]
(.:.) Elements - [X]
(.:.) Chemist1422 - [X]
(.:.) DoctorPepper - [X]
(.:.) Pigman - [X]
(.:.) Titus - [X]

Gacha deadline! (expired on 2020-05-24 20:59:59)

Modnote: "hurts" won't be tracked in votecounts, but will be honored as votes that occur when Gacha phase ends, like the rules say.

I'll try my hand at some VCA here. I know Titus is a fan so she can judge how well I do.

We have two main competing wagons of Elena and Titus. Since two scum wagons on day 1 is unlikely, they probably aren't aligned. Additionally, scum usually don't vote for each other, so Elena and Dunny are unaligned, and Titus and DocFanta are unaligned.

The number of dashes Isis includes with each name is fascinating. They don't seem to line up on the device I'm using at all, so maybe she's trying to communicate with us via some sort of code.

Another interesting thing I noticed was how Elements has a period in front of his name, and clidd and the Doc have apostrophes. Could Isis be telling us clidd and Doc are scum, and Elements is the best town player in this game?

Hoctac · Post Post #80 (isolation #24) » Mon May 18, 2020 7:42 pm

Another peculiarity I discovered: I clicked the link in Isis' sig and it seemed to lead to another game that has nothing to do with Puzzles and Dragons. Now, I think Isis is a strong mod and would keep everything thematic in games she mods. It wouldn't make any sense to advertise and distract us with an unrelated game.

Therefore, I think there must be some secret hidden meaning found inside that game, which might help us find the scumteam in this game.
I'll speedrun it soon.

Hoctac · Post Post #104 (isolation #25) » Tue May 19, 2020 10:24 am

I'll join a neighbourhood with you, Donnie!

Hoctac · Post Post #111 (isolation #26) » Tue May 19, 2020 12:15 pm

Furthering my research, I googled "Isis" earlier today and was quite shocked to discover what I found. Apparently, Isis has

another

meaning outside of the Egyptian Goddess - which is the only one I had been aware of. Isis is also the name of Science Journal, where they talk about the history of

Hoctac · Post Post #112 (isolation #27) » Tue May 19, 2020 12:16 pm

the Science Society. More can be found down below:

https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/a ... 086/708841

I will do some reading and report back.

Hoctac · Post Post #114 (isolation #28) » Tue May 19, 2020 12:25 pm

Are you scum, clidd?

Hoctac · Post Post #117 (isolation #29) » Tue May 19, 2020 12:37 pm

Hurt is what we're using to represent our votes for the time being. As voting and ultimately lynching before all eggs are thrown would be Kind Of Bad.

Hoctac · Post Post #119 (isolation #30) » Tue May 19, 2020 12:50 pm

Ouch.

Hoctac · Post Post #128 (isolation #31) » Tue May 19, 2020 2:32 pm

I can get behind their reasoning a little. Why were you feeling so selfless, Dunny?

Pigman, why throw it out so early rather than wait a little?

Hoctac · Post Post #132 (isolation #32) » Tue May 19, 2020 2:48 pm

Cool, I like it.

I have Echidna Sara (N2 Bodyguard). Who's feeling noble?

Pedit: Too much or too little?

Hoctac · Post Post #134 (isolation #33) » Tue May 19, 2020 3:37 pm

X Doubt

Isn't Undertale our last completed game together?

Hoctac · Post Post #136 (isolation #34) » Tue May 19, 2020 3:53 pm

After. That game had quite a lot scumhunting too though, even if some was fake.

Hoctac · Post Post #141 (isolation #35) » Wed May 20, 2020 7:13 am

In post 122, Isis wrote:
Hoctac is like, really into 90s anime right now, right?
This is another selection based on an active skill that's not pictured: "We're all in this together" replaces all the orbs on the board with new orbs at random. No guarantee they will be good ones or better ones. But they will be new ones! This speaks to Hoctac's signature schtick, and also, the entirety of his persona. He likes change. It's a miracle he doesn't have any alts.
During his pre-in, he told me he was very excited about making friends this game. This card is all about friendship, improving the entire team's RCV and insisting that Hoctac's friends are worth it always! If you are wondering which one in this picture is Hoctac, she's third from the right.
The assist is Sha-77, which is lowkey just Hoctac's actual true spirit animal, too bad it's not a Healer or an Attacker.

Spoiler:

You are a Healer, Attacker, and
light
card. One night per game, you may message the mod to permanently become a Devil/God instead of Healer/Attacker.

I love it. I don't believe in alts, they feel manipulative.

Hoctac · Post Post #142 (isolation #36) » Wed May 20, 2020 7:14 am

Aggressive Throw: Elements

Definitely don't want Pigman to end up with this.

Hoctac · Post Post #143 (isolation #37) » Wed May 20, 2020 7:15 am

Oh wait, I hope Pigman doesn't end up with the disable daytalk one either.

Hoctac · Post Post #147 (isolation #38) » Wed May 20, 2020 10:36 am

Guess why we hate you.

Hoctac · Post Post #149 (isolation #39) » Wed May 20, 2020 12:10 pm

In post 146, Pigman wrote:So much hate for the little pig

Why do you think haters are hating you?

Hoctac · Post Post #153 (isolation #40) » Wed May 20, 2020 12:59 pm

In post 149, Hoctac wrote:
In post 146, Pigman wrote:So much hate for the little pig
Why do you think haters are hating you?

What I meant by this question was why you think you'd have any reason garner hate. Anything from your play so far that could be seen as scummy, I mean. Sorry for the confusion.

Hoctac · Post Post #167 (isolation #41) » Wed May 20, 2020 4:15 pm

Elements needs to throw at Pigman.

Hoctac · Post Post #168 (isolation #42) » Wed May 20, 2020 4:16 pm

In post 158, Isis wrote:
Chemist1422 has a mafia PT, it is being locked now.

:O

Hoctac · Post Post #213 (isolation #43) » Fri May 22, 2020 8:47 am

In post 205, Pigman wrote:I dont really see the town motivation behind fishing for support before expressing your own ideas.

VOTE: clidd

Hi, Pigman. It's interesting how you've worded this. If clidd is "fishing for support", sure, that implies he's scum looking to see whether there's support to push a mislynch on you. However, if he dislikes you, but is afraid that he's simply scumleaning a scapepig, it'd make sense why he'd first ask for others' opinions, to see if they see the same thing he sees, and whether he's on the right track.

Why have you discounted the latter?

Hoctac · Post Post #224 (isolation #44) » Sat May 23, 2020 6:00 am

In post 195, Pigman wrote:also how does everyone else's opinion help you form a read on me? Aren't you supposed to be able to make your own observations? It seems like a bit of a cop-out if you ask me because then you can just blame a bad read on everyone else.

In post 200, Pigman wrote:
In post 196, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 194, Pigman wrote:How am I a scapegoat?
Second this, as in what are people actually talking about? Scapegoat for what? Who called him scum?
clidd is working his way up to a scumread on me but he's trying to figure out if there will be support for it first.

In post 205, Pigman wrote:I dont really see the town motivation behind fishing for support before expressing your own ideas.

VOTE: clidd

I think Pigman's progression on clidd is overblown and unnatural. Kind of like a pyramid shaped balloon.

VOTE: Pigman

Dunny, Pigman was my strongest townlean start of game, and I think bodyguard is better given to someone who is unlikely to be nightkilled. Axolotyls are far too cute and I've never seen one get nightkilled before.

Hoctac · Post Post #225 (isolation #45) » Sat May 23, 2020 6:06 am

In post 105, Pigman wrote:I have no idea whats just happened. So now what?

In post 106, Pigman wrote:I thought the purpose was to throw my card at the person who I thought was most be town but the flavor post makes it sound like it was a bad thing.

What were you worried about here, Pigman? You knew you were giving your target a N1 Bulletproof ability, so what worried you about the favour? Especially since there's been previous flavour from other throws that were in a similar vein.

Hoctac · Post Post #231 (isolation #46) » Sat May 23, 2020 2:15 pm

Hoctac · Post Post #233 (isolation #47) » Sat May 23, 2020 6:06 pm

In post 151, Pigman wrote:
In post 149, Hoctac wrote:
In post 146, Pigman wrote:So much hate for the little pig
Why do you think haters are hating you?

In post 143, Hoctac wrote:
Oh wait, I hope Pigman doesn't end up with the disable daytalk one either.

In post 144, Elements wrote:I've got the bah post one, I can give that to pigman

Implies I'm too stupid to be trusted with anything worthwhile
even though I gave the best card in the game to the towniest person here.
In post 147, Hoctac wrote:Guess why we hate you.
Verifies my assumption that there is hate for pigman

Why did you think the disable daytalk card was soemthing worthwhile? I have highlighted the relevant sections of the post for your viewing pleasure.

Hoctac · Post Post #234 (isolation #48) » Sat May 23, 2020 6:06 pm

In post 232, DoctorPepper wrote:
In post 230, Titus wrote:Hoctac might be scum here.
I'm inclined to agree with you ngl

Why?

Hoctac · Post Post #258 (isolation #49) » Mon May 25, 2020 5:45 am

I was reading through the game to look for clues and I noticed something strange. Have a look at this votecount, do you see what I see?

In post 250, Isis wrote:
Votecount 1.7
clidd
'------------- (2) Elements, Pigman

Hoctac
----------- (1) Titus

Elena Fisher
-----

Dunnstral
-------- (1) Elena Fisher

Elements
.--------

Chemist1422
----

DoctorPepper
'--- (1) Chemist1422

Pigman
---------- (1) Hoctac

Titus
-------------

Not voting (3): clidd, DoctorPepper, Dunnstral

Lynching deadline: (expired on 2020-06-02 20:59:59)

You have to look very closely. I'll post in again for you in case you missed it the first time.

In post 250, Isis wrote:
Votecount 1.7
clidd
'------------- (2) Elements, Pigman

Hoctac
----------- (1) Titus

Elena Fisher
-----

Dunnstral
-------- (1) Elena Fisher

Elements
.--------

Chemist1422
----

DoctorPepper
'--- (1) Chemist1422

Pigman
---------- (1) Hoctac

Titus
-------------

Not voting (3): clidd, DoctorPepper, Dunnstral

Lynching deadline: (expired on 2020-06-02 20:59:59)

Exactly

, the names are colour coded in such a way that they make up pairings. I think Isis is trying to tell us the teams are one of the following:
clidd + Hoctac
Elena + Titus
Elements + Doctar
Misty + Pigman

and Dunnstral is confirmed town or SK since he's the odd one out. I think we can work with this. Thoughts?

Hoctac · Post Post #259 (isolation #50) » Mon May 25, 2020 5:47 am

In post 238, Pigman wrote:
In post 233, Hoctac wrote:
In post 151, Pigman wrote:
In post 149, Hoctac wrote:
In post 146, Pigman wrote:So much hate for the little pig
Why do you think haters are hating you?

In post 143, Hoctac wrote:
Oh wait, I hope Pigman doesn't end up with the disable daytalk one either.

In post 144, Elements wrote:I've got the bah post one, I can give that to pigman

Implies I'm too stupid to be trusted with anything worthwhile
even though I gave the best card in the game to the towniest person here.
In post 147, Hoctac wrote:Guess why we hate you.
Verifies my assumption that there is hate for pigman
Why did you think the disable daytalk card was soemthing worthwhile? I have highlighted the relevant sections of the post for your viewing pleasure.
I mentioned this earlier but I was thinking taking daytslk away from mafia would be good because then they'd have to figure out a way to communicate with each other in front of us which would make it easier to connect them later.

@mod I've been away for the holiday weekend with very limited access. I'll be back in town Tuesday.

Exactly, and if someone threw that at you, it'd be something very not worthwile - as in you want to throw disable daychat at scum and not town. What were you misunderstanding?

Hoctac · Post Post #260 (isolation #51) » Mon May 25, 2020 5:49 am

In post 244, Titus wrote:Hoctac goes from townreading Pigman and slyly defending Clidd to immediately voting Pigman. His tone also feels more apologetic in nature.

Did you like my progression? I thought it was pretty impressive.

Hoctac · Post Post #270 (isolation #52) » Tue May 26, 2020 5:04 am

I deny all allegations.

I believe Pigman in 261.

Hoctac · Post Post #271 (isolation #53) » Tue May 26, 2020 5:10 am

In post 208, DoctorPepper wrote:I don't fully understand the Clidd wagon but I'm a bit wary of the speed that it is forming

In post 232, DoctorPepper wrote:
In post 230, Titus wrote:Hoctac might be scum here.
I'm inclined to agree with you ngl

VOTE: DoctarMangoJuice

Hoctac · Post Post #273 (isolation #54) » Tue May 26, 2020 5:20 am

Reads:

Dunny - Says he's immortal. I don't think scum would be.
Elena - Offering Dunny a smooth journey from this life to the next. Very considerate of her.
clidd - Likes clouds and seems innocent.
Pigman - Stealing from clidd is bad.
Titus - Manipulating poor clidd with puzzles.
Ra - Fire and sparks is a bad sign.
Lady with Laptop - I don't trust her.

Hoctac · Post Post #274 (isolation #55) » Tue May 26, 2020 5:23 am

In post 272, Isis wrote:
Although there is a playerlist name more similar to this than any other, the amount of change is out of range of a typo or misspelling. Votes like these will not be counted unless nickname registration is used

Could I register these as nicknames for DoctarPepper please:

DoctarMiranda
DoctarPepsi
DoctarCoke
DoctarFanta
Doctar7up
DoctarVimto
DoctarManjoJuice
DoctarTango
DoctarRio
DoctarRubicon
DoctarDew
DoctarLilt
DoctarFrijj
DoctarYazoo
DoctarCocio
DoctarDoctar

Thanks, Isis!

Hoctac · Post Post #277 (isolation #56) » Tue May 26, 2020 5:27 am

In post 249, Isis wrote:
+198

In post 275, Isis wrote:
+297

Does anyone have any idea what the numbers could mean? Is it like a warm/cold thing which tells us how close we are to finding scum?

That'd mean we're closer than we were the last time Isis posted a number.

Hoctac · Post Post #278 (isolation #57) » Tue May 26, 2020 5:28 am

In post 276, Isis wrote:
In post 0, Isis wrote: [*]You can bold a request to make a nickname for another player official, so that it will be counted in votes. Each player will get two, but using a nickname someone else made up is valid. Nicknames don't start working until after they're acknowledged in the next votecount.

I see, we're going to have to work together for this then.

Hoctac · Post Post #279 (isolation #58) » Tue May 26, 2020 5:38 am

I have a proposal:

We can cover the whole list of nicknames if we ration it out between the whole playerlist - almost if this was planned all along. I have utmost confidence that we can pull this off if we work together on this.
Your allocations are listed below. I have included my own assignement, but please ignore that one; it is simply for my own reference and benefit. Similarly, you may ignore the sections for any names that are not yours. Once you have found your own name, and the two

Doctar

names below them, please proceed to the bottom of this post for further instructions.

Hoctac:

DoctarMiranda
DoctarPepsi

Dunnstral:

DoctarCoke
DoctarFanta

Elements:

Doctar7up
DoctarVimto

Elena:

DoctarManjoJuice
DoctarTango

Pigman:

DoctarRio
DoctarRubicon

clidd:

DoctarDew
DoctarLilt

Misty:

DoctarFrijj
DoctarYazoo

Titus:

DoctarCocio
DoctarDoctar

Hi! You made it. Okay, so please copy the template below and insert your Doctar names into the two [INSERT NAME HERE] sections, then feel free to post to the thread. I have faith in this town to pull this off.

Code: Select all

[b]I would like to assign [INSERT NAME HERE] and [INSERT NAME HERE] as nicknames for DoctarPepper.[/b]

Hoctac · Post Post #280 (isolation #59) » Tue May 26, 2020 5:39 am

I would like to assign DoctarMiranda and DoctarPepsi as nicknames for DoctarPepper.

Hoctac · Post Post #288 (isolation #60) » Tue May 26, 2020 1:42 pm

Misty / Elements
Titus / Dunny
clidd / Elena
Pigman / DoctorM

Hoctac · Post Post #305 (isolation #61) » Wed May 27, 2020 2:57 am

In post 296, Elena Fisher wrote:The more people lean to wanting to lynch Hoctac the more I disagree with it. Think I'm happy to vote anyone that isn't Titus Hoctac and Clidd

Is that because you townread us or you dislike the reasoning of the votes?

Hoctac · Post Post #306 (isolation #62) » Wed May 27, 2020 2:58 am

VOTE: DoctorMiranda

Hoctac · Post Post #319 (isolation #63) » Thu May 28, 2020 5:10 am

The warmth is most welcome. I soar towards the skies, to get a better view of the surroundings. Perhaps there are other Ladies with Laptops out there that could give me a clue about this one.

VOTE: DoctorMiranda

Hoctac · Post Post #344 (isolation #64) » Fri May 29, 2020 6:25 am

Hi, Titus. You seem to suspect me in almost every game since you see a change in playstyle from one (town) game to the next, and don't seem to realise that I change my playstyle every game

Hoctac · Post Post #345 (isolation #65) » Fri May 29, 2020 6:28 am

In post 208, DoctorPepper wrote:I don't fully understand the Clidd wagon but I'm a bit wary of the speed that it is forming

In post 333, DoctorPepper wrote:Work week over, allow me to catch up this weekend and try to explain why I shouldn't be wagonned.

Also non game related, but Titus I hope you're alright. Was nice seeing a familliar face again but of course mental health comes first

Hi, DocM. Loving your new shades. The reason why I'm voting you is because your take on the clidd wagon seemed a little disingenuous, and your only other game-related take was agreeing with someone that I was scummy. I would love to see some independent thoughts from you!

Hoctac · Post Post #346 (isolation #66) » Fri May 29, 2020 6:48 am

I didn't realise Ele was some kind of beast... I never would've guessed from the axolotyl avatar. Why is everyone bullying each other for stones? Can we all just calm down and be civilised and give them all to me please?

Hoctac · Post Post #366 (isolation #67) » Sat May 30, 2020 5:12 am

Why are you sus of me, Ele?

Titus, could you address my previous post to you?

Hoctac · Post Post #367 (isolation #68) » Sat May 30, 2020 5:15 am

Q

In post 362, Titus wrote:Yeah, this reeks of scum wanting to get rid of a PR.

GB and Hoctac is where it's at.

This is quite narrow minded, Titus!

You think scum are openly voting with each other to get rid of a 1-shot neighbouriser on day 1? As someone pointed out, the ability isn't exactly Lady with Laptop level.

Why Hoctac and GeorgeBailey from the wagon of 4 specifically?

Hoctac · Post Post #379 (isolation #69) » Sun May 31, 2020 6:49 am

Well, well, well. Look who's storming into the game.

Hoctac · Post Post #380 (isolation #70) » Sun May 31, 2020 6:53 am

In post 378, Titus wrote:I admit I didn't read all of Shiki's wall but I feel he's town for the portion where he talks about Dr. Pepper and I not being teamed. That type of self reflection is rare from scum. I think he's wrong, and I could be wrong but Shiki just feels town there. Scum would just claim we're partners and move on to selling his wagon.

Really? You made that assessment from just this alone?

but i'm not sure how much sense a potential {doctorpepper, titus} team makes because of titus's egg throw.

Also, why would she as scum necessarily call you partners and push you, when she can push you individually as scumreads anyway? This looks like a fabricated thought process.

VOTE: Titus

Hoctac · Post Post #381 (isolation #71) » Sun May 31, 2020 6:54 am

In post 367, Hoctac wrote:Q
In post 362, Titus wrote:Yeah, this reeks of scum wanting to get rid of a PR.

GB and Hoctac is where it's at.
This is quite narrow minded, Titus!

You think scum are openly voting with each other to get rid of a 1-shot neighbouriser on day 1? As someone pointed out, the ability isn't exactly Lady with Laptop level.

Why Hoctac and GeorgeBailey from the wagon of 4 specifically?

I'd also like you to address this, Titus.

Hoctac · Post Post #382 (isolation #72) » Sun May 31, 2020 7:00 am

In post 376, shiki wrote:
Pigman threw to Dunnstral
-
this one is highly desirable so it is always going to be plus partner equity but pigman's reasoning seemed pretty sound. if pigman is scum it is pretty likely that dunnstral is as well. if dunnstral is town then it's pretty likely pigman is as well. the inverses do not apply.

You sure about this one? It's just for night 1 and I'm sure scum are aware that passing to each other will look really sus upon one of them flipping. I actually think Dunny is slightly more likely to be town if Pigman is scum, due to scum probably being very cautious about passing this strong egg to a partner and then potentially being examined down the line.

Hoctac · Post Post #396 (isolation #73) » Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:14 am

Why didn't you vote/push me this game, Pepper? Given you saw me joking around just like you saw me doing in Chain.

Hoctac · Post Post #397 (isolation #74) » Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:15 am

In post 384, Titus wrote:
In post 383, Elements wrote:I'm warming to Hoctac town
Smh, the objection to Dunn and Pigman being aligned pairs hurts Hoctac scum if my theory is correct. A mislynch on Dunn would bar a mislynch on Pigman which is why Hoctac suddenly changed his tone towards me. It was that I was wrong town, but now he's looking for something to pick at when I have SRed him for awhile.

In post 385, Titus wrote:
In post 380, Hoctac wrote:Also, why would she as scum necessarily call you partners and push you, when she can push you individually as scumreads anyway? This looks like a fabricated thought process.
She can't push us as a team though. Let's suppose I am wrong and Dunn is scum. She then wouldn't jump and mislynch me. That's a townie thought process to take a theory to its conclusion, even if it disagrees with another theory.

I'm sorry to say I don't understand either of these posts.

Hoctac · Post Post #398 (isolation #75) » Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:15 am

In post 381, Hoctac wrote:
In post 367, Hoctac wrote:Q
In post 362, Titus wrote:Yeah, this reeks of scum wanting to get rid of a PR.

GB and Hoctac is where it's at.
This is quite narrow minded, Titus!

You think scum are openly voting with each other to get rid of a 1-shot neighbouriser on day 1? As someone pointed out, the ability isn't exactly Lady with Laptop level.

Why Hoctac and GeorgeBailey from the wagon of 4 specifically?
I'd also like you to address this, Titus.

Could you get to this?

Hoctac · Post Post #399 (isolation #76) » Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:17 am

In post 375, Isis wrote:
Lynching deadline: (expired on 2020-06-02 20:59:59)

Nice. We have plenty of time to think this one out then. Careful placing your votes, everyone. We don't want to quicklynch anyone.

Hoctac · Post Post #401 (isolation #77) » Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:21 am

Mind calling me Hoctic actually? I've never liked the name Hoctac.

Hoctac · Post Post #404 (isolation #78) » Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:34 am

In post 396, Hoctac wrote:Why didn't you vote/push me this game, Pepper? Given you saw me joking around just like you saw me doing in Chain.

Hoctac · Post Post #409 (isolation #79) » Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:48 am

In post 408, Elena Fisher wrote:Hm, I still want to lynch Elements the most at the moment but I doubt that'll happen in a day so.
VOTE: Pig

Since when has Ele been your preffered lynch, and why?

Hoctac · Post Post #410 (isolation #80) » Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:49 am

In post 405, Elements wrote:VOTE: shiki

Why?

Hoctac · Post Post #412 (isolation #81) » Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:33 am

In post 209, Elena Fisher wrote:VOTE: Elements

He probably has the worst vote I've seen on the wagon and he's a bit more subdued than I remember.

Really? This was the only post I could find and you've only pushed others since then.

Hoctac · Post Post #425 (isolation #82) » Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:31 pm

In post 422, Titus wrote:
In post 381, Hoctac wrote:
In post 367, Hoctac wrote:Q
In post 362, Titus wrote:Yeah, this reeks of scum wanting to get rid of a PR.

GB and Hoctac is where it's at.
This is quite narrow minded, Titus!

You think scum are openly voting with each other to get rid of a 1-shot neighbouriser on day 1? As someone pointed out, the ability isn't exactly Lady with Laptop level.

Why Hoctac and GeorgeBailey from the wagon of 4 specifically?
I'd also like you to address this, Titus.
I addressed this ad nauseam btw. You two are my lock scum reads.

Could we lynch Titus please? How is this a town thought process? "lock scum reads" - really?

And Titus, you haven't explained my question there at all. Why would scum want to get rid of a 1-shot neighbouriser to such an extent?

Hoctac · Post Post #427 (isolation #83) » Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:12 pm

In post 426, Isis wrote:
+297

Oh right, the total stats for monsters only go up to +297 in Puzzle in Dragons. Thanks for letting me know through the code earlier, Isis.

Hoctac · Post Post #438 (isolation #84) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 1:34 pm

I have arrived!

Hoctac · Post Post #440 (isolation #85) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 1:36 pm

I prefer Miranda to Pigman. Not only can I reallocate my valuable nicknames slots, but I think Pigman's dumbtelling was actually all legit after rereading it. Still unsure about his sudden turn on clidd but it's not a huge deal.

pEDIT: WHat's your case on him?

Hoctac · Post Post #442 (isolation #86) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 1:43 pm

Pigman had a bunch of dumbtells. I'm specifically talking about the one where he said he thought the person being throw the disable scumchat egg could actually use the ability on someone else, and not that it would be used on him. I think as scum, he's more likely to know how that one works from discussion in the PT. And I think it's more likely that's genuine rather than him trying to weirdly fake it as scum.

Hoctac · Post Post #443 (isolation #87) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 1:44 pm

In post 261, Pigman wrote:
In post 259, Hoctac wrote:
In post 238, Pigman wrote:
In post 233, Hoctac wrote:
In post 151, Pigman wrote:
In post 149, Hoctac wrote:
In post 146, Pigman wrote:So much hate for the little pig
Why do you think haters are hating you?

In post 143, Hoctac wrote:
Oh wait, I hope Pigman doesn't end up with the disable daytalk one either.

In post 144, Elements wrote:I've got the bah post one, I can give that to pigman

Implies I'm too stupid to be trusted with anything worthwhile
even though I gave the best card in the game to the towniest person here.
In post 147, Hoctac wrote:Guess why we hate you.
Verifies my assumption that there is hate for pigman
Why did you think the disable daytalk card was soemthing worthwhile? I have highlighted the relevant sections of the post for your viewing pleasure.
I mentioned this earlier but I was thinking taking daytslk away from mafia would be good because then they'd have to figure out a way to communicate with each other in front of us which would make it easier to connect them later.

@mod I've been away for the holiday weekend with very limited access. I'll be back in town Tuesday.
Exactly, and if someone threw that at you, it'd be something very not worthwile - as in you want to throw disable daychat at scum and not town. What were you misunderstanding?
Ohhhhhhhh. I'm an idiot. I thought I'd be able to use it

Hoctac · Post Post #444 (isolation #88) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 1:45 pm

Where did Rubicon dumbtell?

VOTE: DoctorPepsi for now. L-1

Hoctac · Post Post #447 (isolation #89) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 1:59 pm

In post 445, GeorgeBailey wrote:Apologies, just got off work and my brain is full of mud rn.

I mistook dumbtell for town tell. But I dont understand why you think that's more likely to come from town. Was it the wording? Scum can easily fake "mistakes".

No, it's the fact scum are going to be wary about the disable PT egg and so will be discussing it in their PT, and are therefore less likely to misunderstand it.

Assuming Pigman's misinterpretation is geuine (which I think it is), it's town-indicative.

Hoctac · Post Post #448 (isolation #90) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:04 pm

Oh wait, my nickname for him is actually "Doct

a

rPepsi", not "Doct

o

rPepsi"

You were looking forward to a no-lynch, weren't you, Isis? Not on my watch.

VOTE: DoctarPepsi

Hoctac · Post Post #462 (isolation #91) » Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:07 pm

In post 458, Pigman wrote: Titus can you help me with sorting people?

I think I'm going to reread the whole game and then I'll have more for you in the morning

Why do you ask Titus specifically?

Hoctac · Post Post #463 (isolation #92) » Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:15 pm

In post 425, Hoctac wrote:
In post 422, Titus wrote:
In post 381, Hoctac wrote:
In post 367, Hoctac wrote:Q
In post 362, Titus wrote:Yeah, this reeks of scum wanting to get rid of a PR.

GB and Hoctac is where it's at.
This is quite narrow minded, Titus!

You think scum are openly voting with each other to get rid of a 1-shot neighbouriser on day 1? As someone pointed out, the ability isn't exactly Lady with Laptop level.

Why Hoctac and GeorgeBailey from the wagon of 4 specifically?
I'd also like you to address this, Titus.
I addressed this ad nauseam btw. You two are my lock scum reads.
Could we lynch Titus please? How is this a town thought process? "lock scum reads" - really?

And Titus, you haven't explained my question there at all. Why would scum want to get rid of a 1-shot neighbouriser to such an extent?

Titus?

I want you to explain why you believe the 1-shot neighbouriser is so valuable, and why both scum would be pushing that person to be lynched.

Hoctac · Post Post #464 (isolation #93) » Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:18 pm

In post 338, Elements wrote:
In post 337, Elena Fisher wrote:I believe I'll join you for now.
VOTE: Chem
this is contradictory
VOTE: elana

In post 339, Elements wrote:VOTE: chemist

What did you think was contradictory before you switched back to Misty?

Hoctac · Post Post #465 (isolation #94) » Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:28 pm

Killing Donnie Brasco is a travesty. I read the hood and clidd was pretty towny in there, and George was towny EoD yesterday so that's my warm fuzzy slot.

@Isis:

clidd is still there in your VC under the card eggs section.

Hoctac · Post Post #466 (isolation #95) » Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:32 pm

In post 376, shiki wrote:
Titus threw to DoctorPepper
- titus's reasoning here (i want someone i am familiar with to have my card) only really makes sense to me if she was angling to be neighbourized, which feels very off to me. like scum would have more reason to want this.

shiiiiiiki

Why's it scummy to want to be neighbourised? I see it as pretty NAI, since it's fun and good for info if you're town. I was also gunning pretty hard to try and get a hood, you didn't think that was scummy?

Hoctac · Post Post #467 (isolation #96) » Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:33 pm

I'll do some card egg analysis based on that NK later today.

Hoctac · Post Post #469 (isolation #97) » Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:59 pm

I would like to use [Team Rocket Queen] as a nickname for shiki.

I would like to use [The Periodic Table] as a nickname for Elements

.

Hoctac · Post Post #471 (isolation #98) » Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:28 pm

D:

I wasn't aware of this at all. This is game breaking and I want a refund.

Hoctac · Post Post #472 (isolation #99) » Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:29 pm

In post 469, Hoctac wrote:
I would like to use [Team Rocket Queen] as a nickname for shiki.

I would like to use [The Periodic Table] as a nickname for Elements
.

Could someone do this for me please?

No one else has assigned any nicknames yet.

Hoctac · Post Post #474 (isolation #100) » Fri Jun 05, 2020 1:17 am

Who you thinking for scum now?

Hoctac · Post Post #478 (isolation #101) » Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:04 am

In post 462, Hoctac wrote:
In post 458, Pigman wrote: Titus can you help me with sorting people?

I think I'm going to reread the whole game and then I'll have more for you in the morning
Why do you ask Titus specifically?

Pigman?

Also, I'm pretty sure George is town tbh. Do you have any thoughts on who you scumread in the others? I'm afraid I'm scumreading Titus' playstyle more than anything, and that my pool should be [Elements, shiki, Dunny].

Hoctac · Post Post #479 (isolation #102) » Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:07 am

Hey, Dunny. Who you thinking for that old lynching now? You feeling like sheeping Elena?

Hoctac · Post Post #480 (isolation #103) » Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:47 am

I hope you manage to make 8 combos again, George. I'm rootin for ya.

Hoctac · Post Post #483 (isolation #104) » Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:30 am

Wow, you must feel very strongly about your opinions to post them twice like that, shiki. Could you elaborate why Titus' angle was a "townread for townread" one? I don't think she even explicitely asked to be neighbourised in return.

Hoctac · Post Post #484 (isolation #105) » Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:31 am

In post 91, Titus wrote:I want someone who I am familiar with (beyond one game) to have my card.

Throw: Dr. Pepper

When you threw this to DoctarMiranda, where you implying he should neighbourise you, or just that you want someone you know to have it?

Hoctac · Post Post #486 (isolation #106) » Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:48 am

If so, why is it scummy for Titus to want to get into a neighbourhood with someone she's familiar with? The familiarity should mean they're better at reading each other, so it's beneficial to her as town. I don't think Titus is trying to ask for a townread in return by hinting she wants to be neighbourised.

Hoctac · Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:36 am

In post 488, Elements wrote:VOTE: pigman

Why?

Hoctac · Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:13 am

Got any reasons for scumreading him, or "not townreading" him?

Hoctac · Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:14 am

In post 447, Hoctac wrote:
In post 445, GeorgeBailey wrote:Apologies, just got off work and my brain is full of mud rn.

I mistook dumbtell for town tell. But I dont understand why you think that's more likely to come from town. Was it the wording? Scum can easily fake "mistakes".
No, it's the fact scum are going to be wary about the disable PT egg and so will be discussing it in their PT, and are therefore less likely to misunderstand it.

Assuming Pigman's misinterpretation is geuine (which I think it is), it's town-indicative.

And why do you disagree with my logic here then?

Hoctac · Post Post #501 (isolation #110) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:11 am

VOTE: shiki

I'll liberate you from having to play scum, shiki.

Hoctac · Post Post #505 (isolation #111) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 8:33 am

If we lynch scum today:

Dunny should pick Devil.
Titus should switch to a Devil/Physical.

If we lynch town today:

Dunny should pick God.
Titus should remain as God/Healer.

(Assuming we lynch neither of them obviously)

Hoctac · Post Post #506 (isolation #112) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 8:35 am

Yeah, this feels a lot more like you scumplay, shiki. You say it'd be easy for me to say this as scum, but is there a reason you're more passive and less proactive this game then?

Hoctac · Post Post #507 (isolation #113) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 8:39 am

In post 304, Chemist1422 wrote:Elements what are your non-mechanical takes rn

In post 315, Chemist1422 wrote:how about we lynch the scummy people instead of random mech stuff

elements what are your reads

In post 320, Chemist1422 wrote:
In post 316, Elements wrote:
In post 307, Elements wrote:titus is town
Why are you questioning me so much?
VOTE: chemist
what

In post 325, Chemist1422 wrote:
In post 321, Elements wrote:
In post 320, Chemist1422 wrote:
In post 316, Elements wrote:
In post 307, Elements wrote:titus is town
Why are you questioning me so much?
VOTE: chemist
what
you asked about my non mech takes and I told you I don't rlly have any except titus is town. Then you ask me again. that's all you've done. haven't said any of your own take or asked anyone else theirs. Just me. Yes this is from just 2 of your posts but it shows you exist and have read the game enough to comment on current affairs. I think my vote is perfectly valid. Which is very surprising for me.
wait

oh I already asked that LOL im dumb

In post 326, Chemist1422 wrote:i should probably just stop

This string of posts was pretty bad from Misty where he asks Ele the same question twice but then doesn't follow up on the answer.

"how about we lynch the scummy people instead of random mech stuff" - I don't like this either.

Hoctac · Post Post #509 (isolation #114) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 9:05 am

Oh, I didn't remember the fact you'd be asked that while scum, but still, shouldn't your response differ if you're town? Since your response in that game must've been fabricated because you were scum.

Why do you keep bringing Churros up? You mean he's someone who would rejuvenate the life of the game?

Hoctac · Post Post #511 (isolation #115) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 9:54 am

Hmm, I can give you a word to show why I think your play is relatively scum-indicative in this particular game regardless:

elituni

Hoctac · Sat Jun 06, 2020 10:00 am

Huh, why is Dunny lurking this game out so much. Get back in here, Dunny.

VOTE: Dunny

People should really start placing their votes today.

My pool is shiki/Dunny/Elements.

That said though, Titus, you not interested in any VCA this time around?

Hoctac · Sat Jun 06, 2020 10:06 am

Do you think so? Being more active and trying to solve is never gonna be seen as scummy simply because it differs from how you play as both alignments. I don't like how you're concerned about not entering with that playstyle because you're worried about "immediately getting lynched for hugely deviating from the playstyle..."

It doesn't sound like you have your priorities straight if you're thinking from a town mindset.

Hoctac · Post Post #518 (isolation #118) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:09 pm

Why not shiki? And who'd you want to lynch then?

Hoctac · Post Post #527 (isolation #119) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 6:41 am

Not great, he's kind of just done nothing today. Honestly, I feel deep inside my amygdala that it's shiki, both from Misty's play and her play. But several people seem to townread her lol. Also worth mentioning, is that the lack of motivation from both Misty/shiki could also be part due to not having daychat. Honestly, they should just invite me to a hood and we could make a new daychat but

shrug

.

My working townbloc is Hoctic, GeorgeBailey, Pigman. Pigman's appeal to Titus for help seemed genuine, and I've explained why not knowing what the disable daytalk egg did is town-indicative.

Dunny also seems to have no interest in this game. And his best explanation for who he wants to lynch is a "IDK". Not all of these people can be scum.

Hoctac · Post Post #528 (isolation #120) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 6:43 am

Dunny, shiki, and Pigman, you've some lost, lonely votes there. They're just looking for a place to stay and they're so, so afraid. Find them homes.

Hoctac · Post Post #529 (isolation #121) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 6:49 am

Pigman, do you think Juryo could leave your care and become a player to occupy a new slot? We'd be adding a townie to our ranks I think. What do ya reckon?

Hoctac · Post Post #530 (isolation #122) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 7:04 am

VOTE: Elements

Dunny at least gave me a shameless answer which I could see coming from town while Elements has just started lurking and ignoring my questions.

Hoctac · Post Post #532 (isolation #123) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:10 pm

What makes you believe scum would've been resistant to lynching the good old Doctor?

my reads at this time look something like:

elena fisher, hoctac
dunnstral, elements, georgebailey, pigman
doctorpepper, titus

How have your reads changed from this?

Hoctac · Post Post #534 (isolation #124) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:28 pm

That's true, but it depends on the team and their priorities. They can't get an

OOPs

now.

I was thinking if both Elena and I decided to activate night 1, they would have a clean path into getting an

OOPs

by night killing us consecutively. They'd of course need to lynch one of Titus or GeorgeBailey though and the other would also need to be town for that to be good (since solo colours get alignment revealed)... there's a lot of factors involved.

Hoctac · Post Post #535 (isolation #125) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:29 pm

Thanks for calling me, Hoctic; I appreciate it <3

What made Ele drop a tier?

Hoctac · Post Post #536 (isolation #126) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:30 pm

A needless comma snuck into my post there. Don't allow it to bamboozle you.

Hoctac · Post Post #538 (isolation #127) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:53 pm

Oh yeah, I meant Titus.

Basically, Titus or I activating on night 1 is always bad as long as our opposite counterparts (Elena and DoctorWater) are alive.

Are you saying you value the healer and physical abilities less? I think they're all potentially the best/worst depending on situations. Like, if we have 1 obvtown, it makes the healers a lot better. If we have 1 obvscum, it makes the physicals a lot better.

Hoctac · Post Post #540 (isolation #128) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 4:11 pm

I seeeeeeeee. Damn, I must've looked stupid when I PMed my night 1 setupspec to Isis. I guess I probably should've activated last night, but clearly I calculated that scum wouldn't take the risk.

Fear e nuff

Hoctac · Post Post #541 (isolation #129) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 6:15 pm

In post 469, Hoctac wrote:
I would like to use [Team Rocket Queen] as a nickname for shiki.

I would like to use [The Periodic Table] as a nickname for Elements
.

shiki, if you're really going to pocket me, could you at least lend me a hand here?

Hoctac · Post Post #546 (isolation #130) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 5:48 am

In post 544, Elements wrote:don't sheep elena she has bad reads.
This is exactly what happened in the mini Hoctic. Scum killed the person who scumread me and then pushed my lynch.
VOTE: georgebailey

That doesn't work unless George is scum though, and since when have you been scumreading clidd/George's slot?

Hoctac · Post Post #552 (isolation #131) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:44 pm

In post 545, Titus wrote:Hey, I am going to point out the obvious. Everyone I try to work with is getting fucking wagoned. Maybe it's time to see it's Hoctac and GB.

Since when were you trying to work with Ele? Show me the post.

Hoctac · Post Post #553 (isolation #132) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:45 pm

In post 551, Pigman wrote:Hoc can you summarize your doctorpeeper read? I haven’t paid him much attention yet

Hmm, he's inconsistent but I think his disinterest might be town-indicative. He doesn't seem to care about appearances. What's your read on the good old DoctorMiranda?

Hoctac · Post Post #556 (isolation #133) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 5:24 pm

In post 541, Hoctac wrote:
In post 469, Hoctac wrote:
I would like to use [Team Rocket Queen] as a nickname for shiki.

I would like to use [The Periodic Table] as a nickname for Elements
.
shiki, if you're really going to pocket me, could you at least lend me a hand here?

If you're going to double(!) unvote without explanation, could you at least help me out with these nicknames, shiki?

Hoctac · Post Post #564 (isolation #134) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:28 am

Well, let's see how he replies before saying any more, shall we?

George, since shiki doesn't seem to care, could you assign the nicknames in 469 for me please? Everyone gets to assign to nicknames and I've already used my 2 allocations.

Hoctac · Post Post #566 (isolation #135) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:36 am

Nahhhhh, it's her rule. Dw, she's okay with bending mod rules.

I can show you cases of her using Enter's nickname rule by voting for someone called "Mr Pink" by calling them "Steve Buscemi". The votes counted and confused everyone.

Hoctac · Post Post #568 (isolation #136) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:47 am

Ayy, thanks. Pocketed for life.

If Isis helps bugspray, I'll help you.

Hoctac · Post Post #571 (isolation #137) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:00 am

/prein

Hoctac · Post Post #573 (isolation #138) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:23 am

In post 552, Hoctac wrote:
In post 545, Titus wrote:Hey, I am going to point out the obvious. Everyone I try to work with is getting fucking wagoned. Maybe it's time to see it's Hoctac and GB.
Since when were you trying to work with Ele? Show me the post.

Hoctac · Post Post #574 (isolation #139) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:38 am

VOTE: Titus

Are you hoping to get by the game saying "Hoctac and George are scum" and doing nothing else? The Tea Gardner won't stand for this.

Hoctac · Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:22 am

@Titus: What have you learnt from today? You expertly caught George and I yesterday for voting Pigman together, but have your reads changed at all since then? What did you think of clidd from the hood?

@Ele: Could you explain your townread on Titus, and who you'd lynch if George was off the table?

In post 365, Elements wrote:
In post 362, Titus wrote:Yeah, this reeks of scum wanting to get rid of a PR.

GB and Hoctac is where it's at.
I disagree about GB but Im with you on the hoctac front

Also, I thought you were townreading George here?

Hoctac · Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:30 am

I think Titus might be parodying her townplay by stubbornly tunnelling two people and doing nothing else to solve otherwise. She says the gamestate is solved but is doing nothing to fix that, including not even answering questions directed to her until they're restated.

Ele and Dunny both seem to have no interest in the game. Ele's vote on George is a little opportunistic George would be the counterwagon, and the fact he was previously townreading(?) him makes the reason stated more questionable. Actually though, I can kinda see Ele drawing the parallels from the other Normal game where a similar thing happened. It's hard to distinguish between apathetic town and scum here.

I think Titus is better right now. Also, I need to consider that if Titus is town and we mislynch someone else today, she'll be deathtunneled tomorrow yet again on very likely 2 townies, and then we lose.

Hoctac · Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:38 am

*gamestate is stalled

Hoctac · Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:48 am

In post 461, Isis wrote:
story of the pyramid destined for heaven or hell

Read this hood and tell me what you think of clidd from it.

Hoctac · Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:53 am

@Pigman

, if you're limited access and can't read the thread, please just answer me this one thing:

In post 551, Pigman wrote:Hoc can you summarize your doctorpeeper read? I haven’t paid him much attention yet

Why did you ask me about DoctorPepper specifically here?

Bonus question: What's your read on him?

Hoctac · Post Post #592 (isolation #145) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:14 am

In post 579, Hoctac wrote:@Ele: Could you explain your townread on Titus, and who you'd lynch if George was off the table?

@Ele

Also, I don't see how the avatar changing is relevant.

Pedit: see, and you blame me??

Hoctac · Post Post #595 (isolation #146) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:22 am

I scumread too many people in this game lul. It's the reverse of the game we just came out of. You better give me a multishot vig next time to make up for the blank, George.

Hoctac · Post Post #598 (isolation #147) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:28 am

Hang on a second, that card isn't from Puzzle and Dragons...

I'm pleased Tea Gardner and Fire Sorcerer are on my side though. No way we lose now.

I cast Meteor Shower

Pedit: Perfect

Hoctac · Post Post #599 (isolation #148) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:28 am

In post 583, Hoctac wrote:
In post 461, Isis wrote:
story of the pyramid destined for heaven or hell
Read this hood and tell me what you think of clidd from it.

@Titus

Hoctac · Post Post #605 (isolation #149) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:24 pm

In post 505, Hoctac wrote:
If we lynch scum today:

Dunny should pick Devil.
Titus should switch to a Devil/Physical.

If we lynch town today:

Dunny should pick God.
Titus should remain as God/Healer.

(Assuming we lynch neither of them obviously)

I'd recommend this, Dunny. It's pretty clear-cut imo.

Hoctac · Post Post #608 (isolation #150) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 3:03 pm

UNVOTE: Titus

That is a very good point, shiki.

In post 588, Titus wrote:
In post 587, Elements wrote:Where has all this titus hate come from
Hoctac. Dunn is agency captured at this point.

Lynching me means scum can shoot Dunn and deny us any information in our symbols.

How were you interpreting Dunny's role here, Titus? Why did you think shooting him would mean no information?

Hoctac · Post Post #609 (isolation #151) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 3:04 pm

VOTE: The Periodic Table

Hoctac · Post Post #610 (isolation #152) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:46 pm

I guess if shiki is scum, it's probably with Dunny.

Who do you prefer to lynch today, shiki?

Dunny, why is Titus scummy?

This is avatar is really starting to grow on me. I wonder if people would mind if I changed all of my accounts to this avatar...

Hoctac · Post Post #615 (isolation #153) » Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:10 am

In post 612, GeorgeBailey wrote:Why do you think that towncases Titus?

Scum can make mistakes, I don't think that's AI.

Because scum would be discussing that and how the roles work during night 1, when they have to decide who to kill.

She still hasn't read the neighbourhood apparently though...
Pigman is gonna lurk the deadline out...
Elements isn't responding to questions...

@Isis: Could I request 2 dayvigs please? Just small ones, no big deal.

Hoctac · Post Post #616 (isolation #154) » Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:15 am

"GeorgeBailey"
Pigman
Titus
Team Rocket Queen
Dunny
The Periodic Table

Might be putting too much stock in Titus' townslip, but I do think scum are far less likely to still be misinterpretation something like that, given they have a partner to correct them, and should have a better understanding of the mechanics due to having to make the nightkills. Titus also doesn't strike me as the type of person to fake subtle townslips.

Hoctac · Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:50 pm

In post 610, Hoctac wrote:Dunny, why is Titus scummy?

Dunny, can you answer this?

Hoctac · Post Post #623 (isolation #156) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:34 am

In post 599, Hoctac wrote:
In post 583, Hoctac wrote:
In post 461, Isis wrote:
story of the pyramid destined for heaven or hell
Read this hood and tell me what you think of clidd from it.
@Titus

Do I have stealth mode activated? Maybe these card eggs do more than Isis is letting on and Titus simply can't see my posts.

Hoctac · Post Post #627 (isolation #157) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 9:30 am

Well, GeorgeBailey is the towniest slot in this game so it currently looks like the viable wagons are Elements, Ele, and the Periodic Table.

I do recall asking shiki a question what her preferred lynch was a while ago, which she didn't get back to me on.

Hum

.

Hoctac · Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:12 pm

Not really, but it's one scum!you might delay answering if one of the suspects is your scum partner, and you'd like to see where the wind blows before taking a stance.

Anyway, let's lynch The Periodic Table.

Pigman lurking out the deadline is really bad, but his slip-up regarding DoctorPepper is probably NAI, given it's not even a townslip, and faking unawareness of the death of Elena would make much more sense if scum!Pigman's goal is to have us draw something alignment-indicative from it.

Hoctac · Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:17 pm

I didn't even realise Tea Gardner and Fire Sorcerer were actually from Yu-Gi-Oh. I am ignorant to the deep lore.

Hoctac · Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:20 pm

And I'm this little guy! Seems OP.

Spoiler: Hmm

Hoctac · Post Post #651 (isolation #161) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:56 am

Enjoy all 5 of those frames.

Hoctac · Post Post #652 (isolation #162) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:57 am

In post 650, Isis wrote:
Lynching deadline: (expired on 2020-06-19 11:59:59)

Assuming this means that we'll be able to lynch after this deadline is up, and the IC will be revealed at the end of it?

Hoctac · Post Post #654 (isolation #163) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:08 am

Ah, I see.

[/spoiler]

Hoctac · Post Post #655 (isolation #164) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:10 am

In post 648, Isis wrote: (expired on 2020-06-18 15:59:59)

The IC will be revealed at the end of this countdown?

Hoctac · Post Post #656 (isolation #165) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:11 am

In post 645, Isis wrote:
"I want to focus on my godlike qualities!"
Dunnstral announced it to the world, not caring who knows it.
Visions run through his head of joining forces with other powerful gods for a god based team.

Spoiler:

Well, first things first.

Why would you ever pick God over Devil there, Dunny?

Hoctac · Post Post #657 (isolation #166) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:16 am

In post 639, shiki wrote:
In post 638, Titus wrote:VOTE: Elements
look i found a town

Agree. This is towny for shiki as well if she was intentionally waiting around deadline to see if anyone would hammer last minute.

Hoctac · Post Post #658 (isolation #167) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:25 am

Pigman/Dunny ends the game I reckon. Pigman's "townslip" from Day 1 means a whole lot less if scum were both inactive in scumchat and didn't discuss the implications of throws properly.

Hoctac · Post Post #660 (isolation #168) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:56 am

Am I lost or confused? When does our IC get revealed to us?

Hoctac · Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:17 am

I'm afraid I still don't completely understand. Are you saying it's an ability that the IC can choose to activate at any time to reveal themselves as town?

As far as I can understand, what you've said indicates the IC should've triggered a moderator announcement immediately, since the IC will always simultaneously have the ability and be town-aligned.

Hoctac · Wed Jun 17, 2020 11:42 am

It's possible. She was quick to call you town after your post, which means it may have been the intention of her waiting. But I suppose she could be scum hoping for a no-lynch, and have that as a premeditated response in case someone came back in time to hammer.

Who do you think is the last scum, Titus?

Hoctac · Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:39 pm

You never checked the NK cheat sheet in any of the VCs?

For example, this one:
viewtopic.php?p=11900271#p11900271

I think Isis forgot to update that initial setup post.

Hoctac · Post Post #672 (isolation #172) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:20 pm

Okay, I'm gonna someone has the IC role and can choose to reveal themselves whenever they want.

Unsure what to think of Dunny's slip. It's certainly town-indicative if genuine, but I don't think I can put

that

much stock in this one being real. I've had a pretty steady trend of townreading townslips this game, so it's very possible scum!Dunny is trying to take advantage of that.

Also, I do find it kind of hard to believe you never opened up the NK cheat sheet and noticed the difference, Dunny.

Hoctac · Post Post #673 (isolation #173) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:21 pm

*gonna assume someone has the IC role

Hoctac · Post Post #680 (isolation #174) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:14 pm

Seriously? Scum can give themselves the IC? Surely that's not the case, otherwise why have the IC rule there in the first place rather than just saying "there is no bonus if 1 scum is alive".

@Isis

: Sorry, last question hopefully. Are scum allowed to give themselves the IC role?

Hoctac · Post Post #681 (isolation #175) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:15 pm

I didn't notice Ele got it wrong too, Dunny. I kinda skimmed over his setup spec.

Hoctac · Post Post #683 (isolation #176) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:27 pm

I have a feeling this wasn't the original intention and scum managed to bargain for it upon finding a loophole lol. I certainly wouldn't think of giving myself the IC if I was scum, so unless Isis preemptively told the scum this was an option (which she probably didn't), it means the scum must've thought of it on their own.

I think that rules out Pigman as scum.

Hoctac · Post Post #684 (isolation #177) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:29 pm

Who do you guys think for last scum?

(question to everyone)

Hoctac · Post Post #693 (isolation #178) » Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:20 am

In post 584, Hoctac wrote:
@Pigman
, if you're limited access and can't read the thread, please just answer me this one thing:

In post 551, Pigman wrote:Hoc can you summarize your doctorpeeper read? I haven’t paid him much attention yet
Why did you ask me about DoctorPepper specifically here?

Bonus question: What's your read on him?

Welcome back, Pigman. Could you answer this?

Hoctac · Post Post #694 (isolation #179) » Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:24 am

In post 586, Dunnstral wrote:Lately it feels like if I'm not driving the game nobody does anything

Imperial decree says lynch Titus because she looks scummy

VOTE: Titus

In post 632, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 586, Dunnstral wrote:Lately it feels like if I'm not driving the game nobody does anything

In post 635, Dunnstral wrote:VOTE: Elements

In post 636, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 2, Isis wrote:2. Lynching will also be compulsive but that's an "Isis is modding so town suffers" thing, not specific to this setup, I use mafia lynch not plurality lynch.
You may need to self vote George.

The first two posts are scummy because I was actively trying to engage the game but you weren't interacting me.

The last is very scummy. If George was willing to self-vote, he would be town, right?

Hoctac · Post Post #700 (isolation #180) » Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:26 am

What do you think of DoctorPepper now?

Hoctac · Fri Jun 19, 2020 10:40 am

Spoiler:

I think scum is in [Dunny, shiki]

Elements pushed Pigman and his reaction seemed legit in 495. Pigman's also townslipped a couple of times which I'm leaning on being genuine.

Titus hammered Ele when there were 11 minutes to go.

I'm leaning Dunny over shiki.

Hoctac · Fri Jun 19, 2020 10:48 am

In post 550, Isis wrote:
Votecount 2.3
GeorgeBailey
'--- (2) Titus, Elements

Hoctac
-----------

Dunnstral
--------

Elements
.-------- (3) Hoctac, shiki, GeorgeBailey

shiki
----

Pigman
----------

Titus
-------------

Not voting (2): Dunnstral, Pigman

Lynching deadline:(expired on 2020-06-13 21:59:59)

Replacement and aliases reference

shiki did this thing where she voted Ele relatively early but then unvoted later:

In post 555, shiki wrote:UNVOTE:

On the basis of her being suspicious of Pigman not knowing DoctorPepper was alive (the genuineness of that). I think scum!shiki completes the bus here and goes for the solo win, rather than unvoting when the two wagons were Ele and George. Pivoting to George will look pretty scummy and implicates her with Ele pretty hard. Hoping Pigman is flashwagoned feels like a risky gamble.

Hoctac · Fri Jun 19, 2020 12:44 pm

Oh, wow, I just saw the ban. Agreed. Fancy seeing you here, ETL... you put on a fairly good newbie impression.

VOTE: Pigman

Hoctac · Post Post #712 (isolation #184) » Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:43 am

UNVOTE: Pigman

Still want this, but don't want a hammer before she comes back. If it's not this, it's probably Dunny.

Hoctac · Post Post #718 (isolation #185) » Sun Jun 21, 2020 9:34 am

How sure of this were you, shiki? I agree it ends the game 70%+ of the time, but what if Pigman came back with an astounding explanation and townspew? You can't rule these things out ya know.

Hoctac · Post Post #720 (isolation #186) » Sun Jun 21, 2020 9:45 am

A gimmick alt where she plays dumb/as a newbie for fun, and the fake slips have nothing to do with her alignment. It'd be a hard sell for sure.

Haggle for 75% sure? What's your final offer?

Hoctac · Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:04 am

Deal. Use first class delivery please.

Hoctac · Post Post #732 (isolation #188) » Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:56 pm

I'm not only a demon, but also a God now. Fear me.

Hoctac · Post Post #733 (isolation #189) » Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:57 pm

Happy birthday, Dunny! What're your initial thoughts? Me or shiki?

Hoctac · Post Post #734 (isolation #190) » Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:59 pm

In post 727, Isis wrote:
"Knock knock."

"Who's there?"

shiki is a huge fan of knock knock jokes. I think this confirms her as scum?

Hoctac · Post Post #736 (isolation #191) » Wed Jun 24, 2020 3:24 pm

I couldn't comprehend what Isis actually meant. I got what she was

technically

saying, but I wasn't able to draw the right conclusion because the possibility scum could make themselves IC didn't even cross my mind until you two brought it up.

What's the icky angle you speak of?

Hoctac · Post Post #738 (isolation #192) » Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:30 am

In post 304, Chemist1422 wrote:Elements what are your non-mechanical takes rn

In post 315, Chemist1422 wrote:how about we lynch the scummy people instead of random mech stuff

elements what are your reads

In post 320, Chemist1422 wrote:
In post 316, Elements wrote:
In post 307, Elements wrote:titus is town
Why are you questioning me so much?
VOTE: chemist
what

In post 325, Chemist1422 wrote:
In post 321, Elements wrote:
In post 320, Chemist1422 wrote:
In post 316, Elements wrote:
In post 307, Elements wrote:titus is town
Why are you questioning me so much?
VOTE: chemist
what
you asked about my non mech takes and I told you I don't rlly have any except titus is town. Then you ask me again. that's all you've done. haven't said any of your own take or asked anyone else theirs. Just me. Yes this is from just 2 of your posts but it shows you exist and have read the game enough to comment on current affairs. I think my vote is perfectly valid. Which is very surprising for me.
wait

oh I already asked that LOL im dumb

In post 326, Chemist1422 wrote:i should probably just stop

This sequence of posts looked scummy from Misty, but it doesn't read like theatre to me. These were Misty's last posts before he replaced out, even.

Hoctac · Post Post #739 (isolation #193) » Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:33 am

In post 468, Dunnstral wrote:Dang, Elena died and I was townreading her

Note: I'm not the mafia

What were you implying here? Do usually townread Elena and then nightkill her as scum?

Hoctac · Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:12 am

In post 742, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 738, Hoctac wrote:This sequence of posts looked scummy from Misty, but it doesn't read like theatre to me. These were Misty's last posts before he replaced out, even.
Does your opinion change if you know that if Shiki is scum, mafia can't talk in their pt during the day?

No, why should it? Are you suggesting scum usually plan out their interactions in their PT? Ele/Misty are certainly not people I think that would.

Hoctac · Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:35 am

Could you go over your progression on shiki and I this game?

You've been thinking shiki was town for most of the game, and I don't remember you giving a stance on me. Do you now lean shiki as scum over me, and if so, why?

Hoctac · Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:43 am

Dunny, why is you not knowing about the correct interpretation of the Gods ability a townslip? We know that Ele was confused about it too, and he was scum. So if you are both scum, it'd actually make sense that both of you misinterpreted it and didn't correct each other in the scumchat.

shiki, do you think it's planned or a genuine misinterpretation?

Hoctac · Post Post #754 (isolation #197) » Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:55 am

In post 505, Hoctac wrote:
If we lynch scum today:

Dunny should pick Devil.
Titus should switch to a Devil/Physical.

If we lynch town today:

Dunny should pick God.
Titus should remain as God/Healer.

(Assuming we lynch neither of them obviously)

In post 605, Hoctac wrote:
In post 505, Hoctac wrote:
If we lynch scum today:

Dunny should pick Devil.
Titus should switch to a Devil/Physical.

If we lynch town today:

Dunny should pick God.
Titus should remain as God/Healer.

(Assuming we lynch neither of them obviously)
I'd recommend this, Dunny. It's pretty clear-cut imo.

Why didn't you comment on this if you disagreed with me?

Hoctac · Post Post #755 (isolation #198) » Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:28 pm

In post 728, Isis wrote:
Lynching deadline:(expired on 2020-06-29 11:59:59)

Now's not the the time to be shy, friends.

Dunny, I'm probably voting you here so I really need you to convince me if you're town.

You also avoided my earlier question on giving a stance or first impression on which of us is scum. I've been intentionally not saying you're most likely my vote to see if you'd go against shiki because she was leaning you, but instead you're just not voicing who you think either way, like you would just side with either one of us if we let you.

Hoctac · Post Post #764 (isolation #199) » Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:35 pm

In post 639, shiki wrote:
In post 638, Titus wrote:VOTE: Elements
look i found a town

Why did you make this post given mafia are more likely to realise that townspewed Titus and maybe NK her after you point it out?